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[WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

on: January 25, 2017, 11:02:21 pm
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Hi
First post since... I don't know ... years for sure ;)

Its 320x256px 32 colors (actually less now) picture for Amiga computer.
So first you have to consider limitation of the platform. Resolution and max colors are like above. There is also little differences in pixel aspect ratio between pal and todays displays. And most important - 4096 colors palette - means only 16 steps for each RGB channel.
I work in grafx2 - no conversion, trace etc. paint and fill



Idea was to paint portrait (not to portrait actual person - it could be done but its not my original intention) based on look of Princess Leia from Star Wars. I made reference photo for it - but it was really bad (mobile phone camera) so I have to change my gfx a lot. Mostly because of perspective deformation, but also light and colors.
Nevermind.

A this moment I have only head - no background, still working on proper face form. Next I want to set up expression and mood. This time color scheme will be quite simple - I have like 8 col. free for future needs (like background) But it could change too..

Next step will be background (usually I start with complete proj. covering all aspect of picture colors, light, mood, background etc. before pixeling in grafx2)
It could be for example interior of the space ship in close up. Something like navigation panels with view of the planet in window ;)
Or something totally different :)

When I set up all of this (full palette, shape, light, background - some story or just mood) then I will start with pixel work - so please don't look at details and technique to much now ;)

Why I'm posting this?
I don't know - to find inspiration, advices, ideas, feedback - anything may help me really :)
I have not enough motivation at this point to move forward. A bit stuck.

Any ideas? Opinions? Advices?

thanks!
:)
 
PS - colors my look a bit odd - I'm working on mac, I noticed that my pixels looks different on windows
and sorry for my weak english, hope it all make sense
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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 01:15:31 am
I think this style hits the uncanny valley.
One major issue you have: the eyes, they are too big and too staring.
I think the anatomy around the mouth also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also the tip of the nose and the direction of the lips are slightly pointing in 2 different directions.
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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 03:02:54 am
small update:



- extened shadow on right cheek shapes better now the form imo
- few small anatomy corrections
- a bit of cleaning random pixels (but also new "surgery" already destroyed this ;)
I found some references for background and testes some color schemes

not to much - still waiting for yours advices :)
- what I can improve? 
- any other shape issues ?
- any ideas for background?


(I know that this looks strange and scary now - but this is also a challenge :)

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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 03:21:57 am
I think this style hits the uncanny valley.
One major issue you have: the eyes, they are too big and too staring.
I think the anatomy around the mouth also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also the tip of the nose and the direction of the lips are slightly pointing in 2 different directions.

Thanks!!
I didn't noticed your answer while preparing update.

I hope that we can get out of the valley then ;)

eyes - hmm - I think size is ok, but there is too much contrast  (black sketch) I will correct this

mouth area - Yep - its because of ref. I changed gfx a lot but still there are inconsequences originated in photo (different perspective and face expression)
When I manage with general head shape I will take care of this

- nose, lips direction - it changed in update - but maybe not enough

also jaw and chin are still looking  too much like men build - I will correct it first

Thanks again :)
Anything else?

Next time background test, and maybe  I will find some refs of actress
and better photos of model too

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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 01:46:47 pm
small update (few cofee breaks at work used ;) )



- working on shape
- slightly changed palette - optimized ramps
- small value changes
- some anatomy issues removed
- started working on expression

eyes in progress - I will try to set proper size off pupil and maybe move 1 pixel one or both eyes


still no big improvement, but I think I see path  ;)

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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 02:58:37 pm
I think the jaw shape was fine before, and now she looks too thin and straight-lined, especially compared with the huge eyes. I'd bring the previous jawline back, it looked more natural with its curves and size.
The red bits in her eyes look too dark, I'd use light pinks rather than reds, especially with the bright lighting you have.

I don't think changing the iris size is going to help with the large-eye problem. I think the entire eye should be made a bit smaller, while keeping the iris-eye proportions you had before. Not much smaller, mind - the eyes are just subtly too large, and it's likely that all you need to do is slight edits to let the skin/eyelashes take up a few of the sclera pixels.

I think mixing "pattern" dithering like on the upper cheek and forehead with regular dithering looks a bit weird. The patterns look nice, I think you should stick to those. The standard dither looks very artificial.

The iris isn't flat on the surface of the eye, it's more like a cone-shaped funnel that exists behind the lens, with the pupil being the narrow opening, so when viewed from the side, the pupil is offset relative to the center of the lens. You've drawn it well on the eye closer to the viewer (at least pre-edit), but the further eye seems to have the pupil too far forward.

Those things aside, I think you're heading in the right direction. The darker colours are helping a lot, and the reduced shine also looks good, she looks less oily. It looks like mostly pixelrefinement from here.

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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 07:22:59 pm
After reading the comments, I messed with the eye area a bit.  The more I look at it, she seems way to focused.  Made the eyes smaller, enlarged (her right) pupil and pulled the same eye outwards a bit.  Some slight reshaping, etc. 
Anyway, I admire the work you do like this.  I've seen the others on pj.  Great stuff.
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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #7 on: January 27, 2017, 11:35:44 pm
I think a quick fix to this might be to relax her expression more re: the eyes, she looks like she's bugging her eyes out which might be where the "too big" effect is coming from!
Add a bit of droop to the upper eyelid,  see if that helps!
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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #8 on: January 28, 2017, 10:12:38 am
I did a very quick edit adding the upper eyelid yesterday but forgot to post

Iris is never fully visible with normal face expression.
It still looks like creepy anne hathaway though

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Re: [WIP][C&C] Leia like portrait - Amiga 32 col. picture

Reply #9 on: January 29, 2017, 01:06:26 am
Close! You seem to have tilted the lids a bit, I'll try my own edit once I get home
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