AuthorTopic: Commercial Critique Suggestion Thread (Read 81928 times)

Helm · **on:** October 03, 2006, 06:32:28 pm

Time to get this rollin' again. Here be suggestions by you!

Dogmeat · **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2006, 06:51:03 pm

Valkyrie profile Lenneth on PSP

ptoing · **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:21:02 pm

Quote from: Dogmeat on October 03, 2006, 06:51:03 pm

Valkyrie profile Lenneth on PSP

I suspect you have a devkit for the PSP so you can provide pixelperfect screenshots for us.

Takai Soyokaze · **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:36:22 pm

Chrono Trigger on SNES

I've got tons of screens too.

Helm · **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:50:33 pm

I nominate Shadow of the Beast, for a wonderful mixture of early pre-technique Pixel Art, BAD art, AMAZING art and all what's in between.

ptoing · **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:54:37 pm

I suggest Dodonpachi, which is very awesome on many levels when it comes to pixelart. Very, very good detailing.

Helm · **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:59:47 pm

http://hol.abime.net/1891/screenshot btw

Cow · **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:01:27 pm

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I suggest Dodonpachi, which is very awesome on many levels when it comes to pixelart. Very, very good detailing.

Seconded. I love that game, graphics are very pretty.

Dogmeat · **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:26:37 pm

Quote from: ptoing on October 03, 2006, 07:21:02 pm

I suspect you have a devkit for the PSP so you can provide pixelperfect screenshots for us.

Forgive me but the instructions are:

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Time to get this rollin' again. Here be suggestions by you!

I haven't been on this forum for a long while so if theres something I was supposed to assume, maybe it should be in the first post.

Helm · **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:36:21 pm

Well we will need screenshots to talk about. Does that need a mention? Well, here, it's mentioned.

fil_razorback · **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:41:58 pm

My vote goes to Shadow Of The beast. Looks interesting.

List of suggestions :

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- Valkyrie Profile (Lenneth) · PSP (and PSX ?) Votes : 1
- Chrono Trigger · SNES Votes : 1
- Shadow Of The Beast · Amiga Votes : 2
- Dodonpachi · Arcade Votes : 1

Dogmeat · **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:24:29 pm

Quote from: Helm on October 03, 2006, 08:36:21 pm

Well we will need screenshots to talk about. Does that need a mention? Well, here, it's mentioned.

Sorry,

My answer is "no".

and I apologize for my rude way of stating "the rules should be in the initial post"

What about SimSity 2000?

Cow · **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:26:18 pm

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Seconded.

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- Valkyrie Profile (Lenneth) · PSP (and PSX ?) Votes : 1
- Chrono Trigger · SNES Votes : 1
- Shadow Of The Beast · Amiga Votes : 2
- Dodonpachi · Arcade Votes : 2

Takai Soyokaze · **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:38:44 pm

For those who have never seen Chrono Trigger, it's awesome.

Ryumaru · **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:40:09 pm

i vote dodanpachi aswell.

S51 · **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:40:39 pm

Not the greatest game, but the art was really cool and there are a lot of clear screens and sprites available.

fil_razorback · **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:45:03 pm

List of suggestions :

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- Valkyrie Profile (Lenneth) · PSP (and PSX ?) Votes : 1
- Chrono Trigger · SNES Votes : 1
- Shadow Of The Beast · Amiga Votes : 1
- Dodonpachi · Arcade Votes : 3
- Secret Of Evermore · SNES Votes : 1

I removed my vote. I'll wait until more are suggested ^^

Hairyu · **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2006, 11:11:23 pm

I vote Dune 2 for PC...one screenie for showing here:

another 4 in these links:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n47/jaolao/dune1.gif
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n47/jaolao/dune3.gif
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n47/jaolao/dune4.gif
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n47/jaolao/dune5.gif

fil_razorback · **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2006, 05:42:06 am

List of suggestions :

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- Valkyrie Profile (Lenneth) · PSP (and PSX ?) Votes : 1
- Chrono Trigger · SNES Votes : 1
- Shadow Of The Beast · Amiga Votes : 1
- Dodonpachi · Arcade Votes : 3
- Secret Of Evermore · SNES Votes : 1
- Dune 2 · PC Votes : 1

Sohashu · **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:16:34 am

Quote from: Takai Soyokaze on October 03, 2006, 09:38:44 pm

For those who have never seen Chrono Trigger, it's awesome.

Hey. No offense, but nearly everyone here has seen CT and ill assume have liked the graphics. I brought it up as a suggestion and I think it was snake who said that CT is already all over the internet, and could be observed at several places. What we are trying to do is to break down a game that has used techniques or made up techniques in order to make the game that little bit better.

Silver · **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:01:12 am

Shadow Of The Beast Is my take!
~~Because I had that game on megadrive.~~

Evil-Ville · **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:29:18 am

Shadow of the beast here too.

Sohashu · **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2006, 10:55:32 am

Shadow of the Beast.

Gil · **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:07:14 pm

Dune 2 sucks, Dune 1 on the other hand *creams pant due to an overdosis of gameplay*

Yeah, I dunno for this one, I'm voting what he votes *points at Helm*

Shadow Of The Beast

Mr.Modem · **Reply #24 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:08:55 pm

I would like to see Cruise for a Corpse http://hol.abime.net/3134/screenshot be critiqued. For those who haven't heard about it, it's an adventure game from the french guys that made Flashback and Another World. Shadow of the beast would be nice too.

EDIT: There are programs for the PSP that can take screenshots from any game. So it wouldn't be hard to get pixel-perfect screens from Valkyrie Profile.

Cow · **Reply #25 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:14:54 pm

Shadow of the Beast looks terrible. $:-\$ It would be fun to make edits 'n stuff, but I'm not gonna change my vote.

ptoing · **Reply #26 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:19:55 pm

Quote from: Mr.Modem on October 04, 2006, 02:08:55 pm

There are programs for the PSP that can take screenshots from any game. So it wouldn't be hard to get pixel-perfect screens from Valkyrie Profile.

If you wanna do it be my guest, but unless this is 100% sure to happen PSP or DS games and such won't be considered.

Helm · **Reply #27 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:23:19 pm

Shadow of the Beast is equal parts sloppy brilliance and sloppy disappointment. I think it's great for critique because we won't get stuck at 'well... it's very good'. There's pillowshading, overdithering, monochromatic sprites, all sorts of hilarious wrongness by today's standards, but it was made in 1987!

ptoing · **Reply #28 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:45:43 pm

Helm · **Reply #29 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:57:44 pm

Mea Culpa.

Scotteh · **Reply #30 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:18:20 pm

final fantasy 10-2 heres a screenie:

sorry if i dont understand the concept of this post

snake · **Reply #31 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:33:10 pm

Quote from: Scotteh on October 04, 2006, 07:18:20 pm

sorry if i don't understand the concept of this post

This is a voting poll for a game made in pixels. The game that is selected in the end will be analysed on it's pixel art and how it relates and works in the game. Final Fantasy X-2 is not made in pixel so I'm afraid you can't place that vote.

Quote from: Sohashu on October 04, 2006, 08:16:34 am

I think it was snake who said that CT is already all over the internet, and could be observed at several places.

I don't recall saying that. From what I remember, it was mentioned that Crono Trigger was allready critiqued at an earlier point.

Scotteh · **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:42:44 pm

oh ok sorry about that then

but anyway, shadow of the beast got me

goat · **Reply #33 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:57:51 pm

Dodonpachi, for the following reaons:

(btw hotlinking is bad)

Who among us would rather learn how they did Beast than learn to create awesomeness as shown above?

I loved Shadow of the Beast as a game, but even when I was 6 I knew the graphics were mostly ass. I understand that the point of a commercial critique is to point out the good and the bad, but if we wanted to critique glaringly bad pixel art, we wouldn't need an activity-driven collaborative effort to find it.

Jad · **Reply #34 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:30:09 pm

I Vote DoDonPachi!

Oded · **Reply #35 on:** October 04, 2006, 10:12:05 pm

dodonpachi should get critiqued...donpachi is also good...same graphics diff game, just some of the ships/designs are different...yeah...

i also worked on a dodonpachi-esque ship back in the day when i could pixel.

Gil · **Reply #36 on:** October 04, 2006, 10:59:55 pm

I always liked that piece, it's pretty cool. Actually, yeah, change my vote to Dodonpachi...

Cow · **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:37:24 am

I'm actually changing my vote to Shadow of the Beast. Just because of what Helm said, it'll be a lot better to fix bad art than oggle great/good art.

Sorry to whoever's keeping track of the votes.

Akira · **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:39:55 am

Hrm. i'm torn between dodon and SotB. on the one hand i want to see dodon broken down to see how they achieved the look but i also fear the surface readings and not being able to get past the 'looks good' stage. SotB is easily taken apart and perhaps more relative to the restrictions on it's platform?

Shadow of the Beast because i'm thinking people are voting on dodon because they like the look. pfft. thats not what this is about.
EDIT: this echos mccow28 who posted while i was writing

.TakaM · **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2006, 03:12:40 am

I'll vote for Dodonpachi too

flaber · **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2006, 05:48:35 am

personally...
id be up
'kirby and the amazing mirror'

i really enjoy the backgrounds - and the tile style i find intrigging at points awell
the sprites are full of character and emotion..

i know that perhaps we are looking at a game with poorer graphics to point out whats wrong - reason for shadow beast?? i believe
but honestly - whenever i analyze game art i always try to find the best examples - so that i can learn better techniques and do breakdowns to understand methods and reasoning behind things..
if it looks good, id rather try to find out why it does and how it was made to look good

some screens
http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/multimedia/pictures/mirror/

thats my pick...

AdamAtomic · **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2006, 05:57:19 am

If I can throw a vote down, not sure if its been done before, but the original Lemmings game has always been one of my favorites!

http://opcg.net/gry/Lll/lemmings/screeny/screen_nr_2_duzy/screen_nr_2_duzy.jpg
http://www.saskschools.ca/~gregory/arctic/animals/lemming01.jpg

Filax_666 · **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:48:19 am

Looks like SoB will win...however, even though I support Helm's opinion's most of the times, I think I'll go for Dodonpachi. If that's how you spell it.

Godslayer · **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:09:09 am

Quote from: Filax_666 on October 05, 2006, 07:48:19 am

Looks like SoB will win...however, even though I support Helm's opinion's most of the times, I think I'll go for Dodonpachi. If that's how you spell it.

Wolverine · **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:57:18 am

Never got the whole 'Dodonpachi is great' thing. Always found it to have incredibly mediocre gameplay and mostly bland (in my opinion) artwork. Boring.

Shadow of the Beast on the other hand, despite not being that much fun to play and at times showing some badly dated pixelling has always captivated me with it's sort of dark fantasy otherworldly atmosphere (which is also greatly helped by the sound effects and music) and was a big influence on me at school. I haven't had the same sorta feeling from any 3D title I've ever played. An associate of mine showed a screenshot from his 'Beast Reborn' remake project a while back and he's a decent pixeller too. Ain't heard from him in a while though and I can't find the pic on my PC. Oh yeah and it's actually an influence on one of my current projects too (which I ain't shown anyone yet cept for some basic engine stuff... and won't show until I've got the atmosphere and graphic style the way I want it)

The animated intro to Shadow of the Beast 2 is still one of the creepiest things I've seen in a game.

Helm · **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:03:58 pm

if beast wins, could people please 'aquire' it for study purposes and just stroll around in the first forest? It's important to understand the art, to see how it functions in-game. A lot that seems 'broken' as far as pixel-art goes actually goes to very good use. There's wonderful parallax and music and stuff! The atmosphere can't be beat! Do yourselves a favour

Cow · **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2006, 02:13:41 pm

It is horrendous quality, but: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KHU2guYH7Og?

goat · **Reply #47 on:** October 05, 2006, 02:43:59 pm

I used to have Beast on my a500

fortunately I've played it so much I have the first forest committed to memory.

Quote from: AdamAtomic

If I can throw a vote down, not sure if its been done before, but the original Lemmings game has always been one of my favorites!

Were you reminded of Lemmings because it features a level with Beast artwork/music? I know I was :p I decided I'd save my vote for Lemmings for next month, though, when it has a better chance of winning.

Panda · **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2006, 03:13:02 pm

I'll go with Dodonpachi.

Wolverine · **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2006, 03:20:07 pm

Quote from: goat on October 05, 2006, 02:43:59 pm

Were you reminded of Lemmings because it features a level with Beast artwork/music?

There was a lot of that. I seem to recall Walker appearing in one of the Lemmings games too (most likely Lemmings 2 The Tribes but I could be totally wrong about it all.. I know Menace was referenced for sure in one game). And the Lemmings themselves appeared as much larger sprites in one of my all time favorite games Hired Guns as vicious scratchy gits that you could just mow down with a chain gun sorta thing or chuck grenades down into the Lemming pit. Also remember that Hired Guns game allowed you to pixel your own characters and use them. There would be me spending ages creating some cool mech type thing to go with CIM and CIM-Lite in the required four directions and sizes... and then my friend would just use a blank page therefore rendering him totally invisible to all... cheating bastard. Especially since we used to use two screens (monitor in the usual socket, and the TV into the built in modulator of the A1200) and cover opposite halfs on each with cardboard. I could never tell where he was until a saw a grenade appear in the air out of nowhere and bang I'm dead...

Hmm, sorry bout that... was getting swept down memory lane a bit. Glorious Amiga days...

Mr.Modem · **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2006, 05:54:17 pm

Quote from: Helm on October 05, 2006, 12:03:58 pm

if beast wins, could people please 'aquire' it for study purposes and just stroll around in the first forest? It's important to understand the art, to see how it functions in-game. A lot that seems 'broken' as far as pixel-art goes actually goes to very good use. There's wonderful parallax and music and stuff! The atmosphere can't be beat! Do yourselves a favour

Yep , you have to see it to understand why it became so popular when it was released. The parallax is awesome (maybe not by todays standards though). For those who doesn't have an Amiga and are to lazy to use an emulator you can get some movies of it running here: http://recordedamigagames.ath.cx/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=2

Androk · **Reply #51 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:19:01 pm

Quote from: Takai Soyokaze on October 03, 2006, 07:36:22 pm

Chrono Trigger on SNES

I've got tons of screens too.

I gotta support this one. Some stuff done in terms of perspective play in that game chenged the way I percieve Overhead 2D games.

[Edit] Just noticed the screenshots have already been shown. But I still say it should get broken apart.

Dogmeat · **Reply #52 on:** October 06, 2006, 02:12:25 pm

My vote's for Chrono Trigger. ALthough took me the least amount of time to beat, was one of the most interesting games I've played. What was that robot's name? Xoon?

AdamAtomic · **Reply #53 on:** October 06, 2006, 03:41:07 pm

Quote from: Dogmeat on October 06, 2006, 02:12:25 pm

My vote's for Chrono Trigger. ALthough took me the least amount of time to beat, was one of the most interesting games I've played. What was that robot's name? Xoon?

Robo?

Rawsushi · **Reply #54 on:** October 06, 2006, 03:52:39 pm

His name is Gato and he has metal joints. Beat him up and win 15 silver points. Or something. (Assuming that's the robot you're talking about.)

Bo · **Reply #55 on:** October 07, 2006, 05:56:13 pm

I vote on the almighty Shadow Of The Beast!

ndchristie · **Reply #56 on:** October 07, 2006, 06:08:52 pm

Quote from: Monsoon2D on October 06, 2006, 03:52:39 pm

His name is Gato and he has metal joints. Beat him up and win 15 silver points. Or something. (Assuming that's the robot you're talking about.)

that was just the one at the fair, i think hes talking about Robo / R66-Y / R-66Y

My vote is for shadow of the beast

as far as CT, we all know it rocks, but its one of those games that is always mentioned, along with SD3. nice game, but id like to look at something different

Takai Soyokaze · **Reply #57 on:** October 15, 2006, 07:00:47 pm

I change my vote to Tyrian.

TheAbyss · **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:25:26 pm

I vote Dodonpachi. I've never played it but the one screenshot I just saw looks awsomer than.....ALMOST anygame I've seen that uses Pixels. Some one should vote for Civilization 1

Umm I would insert a ScreenShot right now....but I don't know how to. -_-"

Keops · **Reply #59 on:** October 28, 2006, 01:21:52 pm

That Shadow of the Beast looks... Well, some of the screens look like crap, too little contrast for such interesting organic designs. I think I'll vote for Shadow of the Beast. I've never played Amiga games in my life and I've seen some great pixel graphics there. This game should prove interesting to take a look at for someone like me (and I guess I'm not the only one who grew playing NES and few old PC games, so Amiga is new uncharted territory).

DoDonPachi is awesome, I would have voted for that one but that Shadow... Well, it's screaming "re-make me!!"

See ya.

Helm · **Reply #60 on:** October 28, 2006, 02:49:02 pm

Just occured to me, if the Beast wins, I guess the remake challenge will be "take one of the enemies from the game [sheet will probably be given in advance] and remake me to the best of your ability!" There's tons of 1bit (seriously... dithered with the TRANSPARENT COLOR. HOLES IN THE ENEMIES. It's crazy) enemies in the countryside alone.

younit · **Reply #61 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:04:44 pm

Ohh.. DoDonPachi... I think i could throw a few hints from what i've learned in their pixel techniques, nice style... its quite simple though.. sort of isometric-pixelling (high-lights shadows, etc..)

Tisha · **Reply #62 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:44:03 pm

Quote from: Monsoon2D on October 06, 2006, 03:52:39 pm

His name is Gato and he has metal joints. Beat him up and win 15 silver points. Or something. (Assuming that's the robot you're talking about.)

Yeah, in fact that is what he tells you in his singing performance <3 (kawai)

I know, I'm the über lurker but if you allow me to vote, I say shadow of the beast. Dodonpachi would be nice as well (I've seen Keops play it ALOT [my little baby<3]).

Helm · **Reply #63 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:23:18 pm

Chrono Trigger 3
Shadow of the Beast 12
Dodonpachi 12
Secret of Evermore 1
Dune 2 1
Cruise for a Corpse 1
Kirby 1
Lemmings 1
Tyrian 1

Someone count again if you want, there's too many people changing their votes and stuff. I say we just do both at the same time.

Indigo · **Reply #64 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:36:30 pm

doing two at the same time might be a bit overwhelming. I vote for the beast

Ryumaru · **Reply #65 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:38:58 pm

how about this month dodonpachi and next shadow of the beast?

Helm · **Reply #66 on:** October 31, 2006, 12:42:49 am

we'll do both, as much is for sure. Indigo broke the tie for now. I'll set up the stuff we need and there'll be a new commercial critique within the week. Thank you for your patience.

Tisha · **Reply #67 on:** October 31, 2006, 07:29:53 pm

How exiting I cannot wait to see this,now all i need is a new comp, for doing some pixels for good...

Takai Soyokaze · **Reply #68 on:** October 31, 2006, 09:10:04 pm

Sorry, changes vote back to Chrono Trigger.

Hmmm... seems Dodonpachi is Republicans, Shadow of the Beast is Democrats, and Chrono Trigger is the Independents.

Go Perot.

Tisha · **Reply #69 on:** October 31, 2006, 10:36:45 pm

Quote from: Takai Soyokaze on October 31, 2006, 09:10:04 pm

Sorry, changes vote back to Chrono Trigger.

Hmmm... seems Dodonpachi is Republicans, Shadow of the Beast is Democrats, and Chrono Trigger is the Independents.

Go Perot.

O.o

Ok. That was so Random! what does American politics have to do with a commercial critique when the people in the forum is from all over the world?

O.o

Dogmeat · **Reply #70 on:** October 31, 2006, 11:07:04 pm

The US is steaming with political heat these days, maybe it's gotten to our japanese named friend here.

Conzeit · **Reply #71 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:26:34 am

ACK. I'm late!...where's earthwormjim??

when the hell are we doing earthwormjim?? I had tileset maps!!

tileset maps!

tiiiiiiiileset maaaaaaaaps people!

crab2selout.png · **Reply #72 on:** November 02, 2006, 01:12:41 pm

I'm putting down an advance vote for EJ next CC

Takai Soyokaze · **Reply #73 on:** November 04, 2006, 03:43:21 pm

Chrono Trigger 4
Shadow of the Beast 12
Dodonpachi 12

There's a count of all ones that got more than 1 vote. Now if the one's who didn't vote/added new ones change there vote to Chrono Trigger it could win.

Although EJ is F'in awesome.

Helm · **Reply #74 on:** November 04, 2006, 07:03:02 pm

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. The one we're going to go with is SotB now, then DDP, then we'll see. No need to post more votes and whatnot. I guess I should just lock this and hurry along with making the CC. So let it be done. It'll be up shortly.

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