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[C+C] Arid Plateu

on: May 10, 2016, 11:31:36 pm
Working on a quick piece to practice my colors and some shading stuff, anyone got some feedback for me? supposed to be kind of a late-afternoon scene.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 11:56:22 pm
I think the sun should have a brighter yellow orange center and maybe a fuzzy, smooth, hazy aliased edge. You should try and emulate some sort of god rays effect coming from the sun. The gray around the sun looks weird I think. I like the color palette and shading of the rocks so far. The atmospheric perspective of the background rocks look good.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 12:04:35 am
I think the sun should have a brighter yellow orange center and maybe a fuzzy, smooth, hazy aliased edge. You should try and emulate some sort of god rays effect coming from the sun. The gray around the sun looks weird I think. I like the color palette and shading of the rocks so far. The atmospheric perspective of the background rocks look good.
If you are to add the above, it's worth mentioning that you may also need to add a brighter tone to the sun hitting the foreground assets, such as the rocks and etc.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 12:26:51 am
I think the sun should have a brighter yellow orange center and maybe a fuzzy, smooth, hazy aliased edge. You should try and emulate some sort of god rays effect coming from the sun. The gray around the sun looks weird I think. I like the color palette and shading of the rocks so far. The atmospheric perspective of the background rocks look good.
Yeah that's what I was trying for with the grey edges, thought they were just a paler orange but I'm colorblind and its hard to tell.
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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 12:27:27 am
I think the sun should have a brighter yellow orange center and maybe a fuzzy, smooth, hazy aliased edge. You should try and emulate some sort of god rays effect coming from the sun. The gray around the sun looks weird I think. I like the color palette and shading of the rocks so far. The atmospheric perspective of the background rocks look good.
If you are to add the above, it's worth mentioning that you may also need to add a brighter tone to the sun hitting the foreground assets, such as the rocks and etc.
Not sure on that, I was going for kind of a "washed out" dry sorta look with it and I worry that might conflict with that
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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 02:09:04 am
HOKAY, popped in the sun-tweaks.
Still not sold on making the sun brighter, but I did that too.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 03:56:17 am
I made an edit highlighting the foreground:



I would say I like the brighter sun as it looks more like a sun. The path between the cliffs was more green than red as far as RGB is concerned and against the orange background seemed to be pretty obviously green to me.

I dropped the red just a smidgen in the purple bit so now it's a dull dark blue. I also increased the lightness of the midtones on the cliff so that they are more visible, felt like it was lacking contrast. I would say you could probably still add some more contrast to the foreground and maybe even some brighter highlights on the cliffs as the image as a whole might be a bit out of balance with lights and darks.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #7 on: May 11, 2016, 04:27:34 am
Sorry, I have trouble seeing red and green so thanks for the assist there. And yeah that deffo looks more SUNlike but I don't know if it still fits the feeling I was going for.
Makes the brightness look more harsh and unforgiving than originally intended.

Can you reword that last part though? I don't think I'm quite comprehending.
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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 04:50:05 am
Well with the sun being so bright you would probably expect some pretty bright highlights on the edge of the cliff face. What I mean about balance is something like this: http://art.nmu.edu/groups/cognates/wiki/3ca70/Balance.html

Basically you have big interesting sun and clouds to look at that are off center in the overall image and it creates a focal point that is non-central making the image feel out of balance. There is nothing interesting in the bottom right of the image to draw your eyes away from the sun.

For example, not suggesting you do this but if there was a creature hanging from that wall looking out into the sunset then your eyes would be pulled back and forth between the dark creature on the cliff and the bright sun in the distance. I'm suggesting adding just some more complexity to the cliff face, maybe some brighter highlights or more interesting terrain that might draw your eyes back into the foreground.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #9 on: May 11, 2016, 05:41:40 am
Well with the sun being so bright you would probably expect some pretty bright highlights on the edge of the cliff face. What I mean about balance is something like this: http://art.nmu.edu/groups/cognates/wiki/3ca70/Balance.html

Basically you have big interesting sun and clouds to look at that are off center in the overall image and it creates a focal point that is non-central making the image feel out of balance. There is nothing interesting in the bottom right of the image to draw your eyes away from the sun.

For example, not suggesting you do this but if there was a creature hanging from that wall looking out into the sunset then your eyes would be pulled back and forth between the dark creature on the cliff and the bright sun in the distance. I'm suggesting adding just some more complexity to the cliff face, maybe some brighter highlights or more interesting terrain that might draw your eyes back into the foreground.
That's actually a super excellent idea, and something I might add to it. The focal point of the piece was actually INTENDED to be the sun, but this visual balance thing you've brought up seems like a fun thing to experiment with.
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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 06:29:15 am

Added a cave painting and a small monsterman watching the sunset. I feel like it might be a good idea to expand the painting a little bit, but not 100% sure.
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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 08:06:05 am
I said add a brighter sun because I don't think I've ever seen the sun in such a saturated orange before in real life. The center almost always seems white hot/yellow to me. Environment, weather, clouds and atmospheric perspective can effect color of course.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Orange_Sun_in_Boracay,_Philippines.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000LHVCsyXImiw/fit=1000x750/namibia-NAM120516-3244.jpg
http://img05.deviantart.net/43bc/i/2011/321/4/a/great_orange_sun_by_aaronmk-d4gg3mo.png

Though these orange suns are quite beautiful so I guess I'm wrong.

http://topnature.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/sunsets-going-sun-voyage-afternoon-technology-natural-orange-journey-peregrination-wander-brightness-fly-sky-hot-travel-sunrises-photoshop-ambar-air-black-trek-trip-photography-air.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/huge-orange-sun-bob-abraham.jpg

Now that I think about it, maybe my issue with the sun is how large it is in the sky. That's just my opinion though. Regarding your new update, here are my thoughts.

-You've created a tangent where the monster mans leg and the bottom of cliff meet. Easy fix
-if you want to expand the painting, maybe you can add a few small rocks or pebbles to the ground. Or maybe a path. Maybe slightly larger rocks on the border of where the ground meets the cliff.
-something about your cave painting looks weird to me. I'm not sure it would be so visible and stand out so much (with all that near black color) when it's located in such a shadowed area of the rock. It almost looks like its glowing with the use of light blues. I think a painting could work but if it was just an impression. Maybe it could be a few numbers lower in value than the cliffs dark shadow.

Anyway, that's all. Keep up the great work Mystery!

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 09:41:27 am

One last edit before I head to bed.
@heyguy, I hadn't thought about the size! Next go I'll try reducing that a bit, and see where it takes me.
I also expanded the "canvas" to be more eye-catching, and incorporated more of the glowy paint along that to make it more clear what that is.
I also gave the little friend a sack lunch, to make him seem a bit more homey.
(Or home-less, depending on interpretation)

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 04:24:05 pm
Soooo, the cave seems really out of place and weird. It doesn't read much like a cave so I would suggest maybe trying something else to expand the painting. It looks great, but to just give some different ideas. The sunset could be improved, and to show you a different way of doing it, here is something that I did a while back:

I made the sunset in a more exaggerated way, but you could still do something similiar-ish. The way you have it now, the sun seems to be a separate floating object from the sky, so it looks like it's in front of the sky, when it should look like it's behind the sky. To do this, make the sun directly affect the sky, so they meld together more. Also the clouds right in front of the sun make the sun look a bit weird to me. But, other than that, it looks really good!

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 06:04:39 pm

One last edit before I head to bed.
@heyguy, I hadn't thought about the size! Next go I'll try reducing that a bit, and see where it takes me.
I also expanded the "canvas" to be more eye-catching, and incorporated more of the glowy paint along that to make it more clear what that is.
I also gave the little friend a sack lunch, to make him seem a bit more homey.
(Or home-less, depending on interpretation)

EDIT: did it instead of sleeping, whoops


The sun looks like it contrasts too much with the sky. Try shading it more.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 07:42:52 pm
I feel like it might be a good idea to expand the painting a little bit, but not 100% sure.
I agree.  Feels closed off and a bit uninteresting.  I would suggest expanding it horizontally.

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Re: [C+C] Arid Plateu

Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 07:53:05 pm
Got it RE: expanding the canvas.
I'm not sure what you mean by working the shading more however, could you explain a bit?
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