CVLT OF TIAMAT; the seven sermons of the serpent

[tocky]

okey, the first time i did this thread crow shut it down before it started, BUT I AM AGLEEFUL CULTIST OF TIAMAT AND WILL NOT BE STOPPED

i have permission from ptoing to make this thread, provided it relates back to pixel art and is not unkind to the persons i will discuss.

" No spamming new threads please. We want to keep this nice. " ptoing. and so it will bedone!

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the new alien game is hot as fuck but im too afraid to play her beceause she is scary

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so why you should let me write about the cults of teh old gods:

helm is a cleric of HASTUR, the king in yellow. Hastur,  who is extinction of a different sort than Tiamat: www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/20143.htm
the yellow king in all his glory. a meditation on Hastur, a meditation on meditations. its important to note that helm has decided to use the c64 to depict the yellow king, a palette that doesnt even really have much in the way of yellows. why? because helm can manufacture yellow.

ptoing is a cleric of demogorgon, and one of his monkey heds is helm the other is ilkke. ILKKE BEING A CLERIC OF JU, JUBILETH, THE EYE, THE NEGABUDDHA. so we can see that he is also hastur of a different sort. the c64 is hastur's strongest machine. when ptoing draws meditations on the robot he draws metitations on the flesh, hastur is the face hidden in the map which must not be seen, he is the face in the flesh, in the wood, in the metal, in the stone. but ptoing is funny where as helm is grim. ptoing knows jokes and what they're for, helm only knows PRAXIS, when helm makes a joke it is frightening. this is because he is not german but greek

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anyway obviously i shouldnt put this in the off topic thread, i should start a thread for it. i did this but crow shut it down before it started. crow is ziz, or odin, or some such. he is a god of birds, this is plain. but he does not allow us to fly

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im not gonna start the thread again without some mods permission, it doesnt have to be on wayofthepixel but i will write it somewhere if not here. hastur loves meat angels, he is himself a fallen angel

-- i do not wish to insult you doods, i wish to venerate you

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ok i think i have intelleged your message ptiont though you speak in riddles

basically i need a CVLT of TIAMAT thread for this. it can extend the why we should listen to tocky, but i made with that thread and i need a new one to say what i wish to say. iff i am not allowed new threads i will post in the off-topic thread - the problem is i might make a new thread everyday because i am a tiamat cultist. i understand this. my plan is to not do this. not all threads should be tocky

i will relate it back to pixel art, the way of the pixel, more often. i will talk about the secret techniques

bruce lee also knows hastur but he is a fighter and not a cleric. in a way he is a mad monk, like the scribe who writes the necronomicon

anyway i havent read the whole thread, just the most recent posts. it is foolish to ask me to do all this. it is right that it should be in the old off-topic thread and not the new one

[tocky]

new post.

the new gods dont even understand the pixel, but they understand the monad, which is games. we can see that gams are made of pixels though. the new gods are built by recombination of the old. AN SO WE MUST DISCUSS THE GREAT OLD ONES

in this post i will discuss zak smith and why i am fond if him. zak is not a pixel artist, HE IS ATRADITIONAL ARTIST AND ANANARCHIST AT THAT and he does not know why i say what i say either, but he is the negajesus and he deserves our respect.

IN THIS SECOND POST I DUSCUSS HASTUR AND HOW HE RELATES TO PIXEL ART

WHY THE MESSIAH COMPLEX

we can know HASTUR by studying his cvlts. who is this heretic zak smith and why should we care about him? at his heart, zak smith is a dungeon master. he has given us such books as vornheim (which is classic, a CANON TOME for the OLD SCHOOL REVIVAL) - but before vornheim the book there was vornheim the tv show : I HIT IT WITH MY AXE, on the ESCAPIST. zak's works are published by the lamentations guy, james raggi, another heretic, but also the guy who would publish CARCOSA. why also publish VORNHEIM? in his preface to the book he tells us.

I dont want to use your moderation policy against you but on this forum we're supposed to call our references, even if we clone them and not simply copy and paste. VORNHEIM is LANKHMAR first and foremost. but if you've read FRITZ LIEBER why read SMITH? because he understands the form of the rpg table book more than LIEBER does. a novel doesn't work at the table. you need a quick reference, your tools close at hand. ZAK SMITH wants us to build our own cities. He'll even teach us how. so here we're talking about ART for a purpose, not ART just for looking at.

SMITHS other influences on vornheim include BORGES, NABOKOV, KUROSAWA, Raymond CHANDLER, the EDDAS, LOVECRAFT and VIRICONIUM and many others. this is a pretty similar list to helm, if we ask him his influences. SMITH's main work in the fine art world was an illustrated GRAVITYS RAINBOW. we can see in all of this an emphasis on fine detail, on brevity, on estrangement and death. If ZAK SMITH could have shipped a smaller book he would have done so. It is a pocket guide to running cities from scratch and more than this, a city you can run out of the box.

LETS TALK BOUT MANDY MORBID ALSO

zak and mandy are pornstars, pornstars who play d&d and talk about porn as it relates to being into d&d. these are hobbies that often go hand in hand, because they are nerd hobbies for lonely nerds. However, d&d is also for children, and we are asked, who will think of the children? whence comes the next generation? but zak has generally done more for the d&d community than those speakers have. His work on FLAILSNAILS, which ports characters from one table to another, for example. but more specifically with his defense of women: his girl MANDY plays a cleric in his games, and the other girls at his table are generally pornstars as well. This is not a gimmick, or not exactly. (zak has no problem with using it as a gimmick, but these are his friends and this is his regular game) It's realpolitik: there are pornstars in LA. Probably most of them play video games. Nearly everybody does these days. ZAK is a friend to women, who nevetheless has to argue with prudes.

mandy has a tumblr: http://mandymorbid.tumblr.com/ it is not safe for work. on it she talks about her shame in being a gamer, because as a gamer she has to deal with SHIT DORKS who HARRASS her. ZAK sort of acts as a shield for a lot of this abuse. he stands for people who are allowed no voice, and his message is clear, if lengthy. PORN isnt shameful. SEX and GENDER are just things, they do not matter as regards anything outside their own spheres. ART belongs to artists. GIRLS are GIRLS and not harridans. lets not fight about these things.

WHY THIS FOCUS ON WORLDS WE CANNOT KNOW

ok, but you and i, we don't play d&d with a bunch of hot chicks, probably. WHY should we care. We should care because ZAKs group is (i regret to use this term) a cultural mixing pot. ART IDEAS, PORN IDEAS, GAME IDEAS, WOMEN, all these things that cannot exist in one place, all in one place? how?

it matters not how it happened: zak's game exists. You can buy his book and play the home version. VORNHEIM doesnt pay the rent in ZAKs house, im pretty sure MANDY is the bread winner there. Not art not games but porn.

WHY LISTEN TO THEM THEN

first of all, zak argue for all artists: you can see him doing this here: http://zaksmith.tumblr.com/post/107546756753/the-worst-critic-in-the-history-of-the-world

second, he is while hard to understand, his art is complex and not especially commercial. He has a keen eye for detail. see here: http://zaksmith.tumblr.com/ zak's art is as intricate as his prose. he has much to teach us. limited palettes, complicated dungeony spaces, clearly a lot of this stuff is applicable, even if hard to read.

third, he is kind to us. ZAK is kind to anyone who doesnt specifically come after him, his way of life, and his livelyhood.

forth, he does not wish us dead, or at least not truly.

fifth, how this relates to pixel art

sixth, how this does not relate to pixel art

finally: how we can merge the two ideas so that they are the same.

when we talk about zak we are also talking about jesus. he is a porn dude and many believe he shoulddie for his sins, for what he does to women. but zak is kind to women. his women are strong. so we can see that zak smith is a new cultist of hastur and not an old one.

[tocky]

this one i talk abut helm, also a cleric of hastur. when i get to demogorgon i will talk about ptoing and patrick psyduck. when i get to ilkke i will discuss JUBAR and also SCRAP PRINCESS. then i will ahve completed the trinity and go back to talking about jesus. 3 is not a plato number but i will show use why this number, alone among primes, is ok.

on helm:

from the first few pages of ramble:

clusters - pixel versus subpixel versus superpixel
the infinite resolution (ie vector art and perfect lines)
arachne's work on line interpolation
the maccloud-triangle and helm's iteration of it

here we're covering a lot of ground really quickly. if this were a class on pixel art it would take at least a week to teach all that, but this stuff all went up in  day or so. Helm's examples are clear and concise and formal. THE RAMBLE was immediately accepted, desite the moderation policy, because it comes from pixel art canonist helm and not from pixel art heretic tocky, there was never any question about whether this should be related to pixel art or not. THis is very important, because the moderation policy on this website is exclusionist, just less so than tigsource. all this is in accord with the most ancient of principles, tradition. but not history. helm doesnt consider symbolism, while his own work is heavily laden with symbols of cthulhu and hastur and conan and i'm gonna say fritz leiber. (why use a man shitting as an example unless to fuck with us. helm wants us to consider the merits of shit. and discard subject matter because it does not matter. i tell you he is wrong in this.) he does not wish to obscure the higher art, that of the pixel.

so helm speaks of clusters, brushstrokes, instead of meanings of pixel works as texts. this is pixel-praxis-versus-pixel-gnosis. we need this other not-helm discourse because we cannot continue to misrepresent the intentions of artists as regards their own work. if helm, one of the most symbolist, arcanist, traditionalist, radical, deliberate, and institutional duders we have, will not discuss symbolism, who will? tocky.

the elephant in the room when we talk about hastur is the ARGENTINE, is BORGES.

the DUNGEON MASTER and the DUNGEON MASTERS GUIDE

[tocky]

when i get to demogorgon i will talk about ptoing and patrick psyduck i will write this post, i will also discuss vance.


FIRST OF ALL, patrick psyduck actually wrote a response to my recent crusade, and you can see it on his blog. it's called 'in defense of dwarves' OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, and also he writes lots of good stuff you guys dont really care about.

this means, and we can see this in the length of his reply, that he has thought about what i am saying and cares about it, more than zak does, even though it be zak i am emulating and not patrick.

so why let these two guys be two corners of my NEW TRINITY? i'll show you. but you dont even know patrick, why listen to that guy?

http://hackslashmaster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/on-osr-new-wave-patrick-stewart-of.html

SECOND OF ALL, i have argued with ptoing lately. but largely not about the-form-of-the-pixel. mostly just about the-form-of-the-forum. on pixels, ptoing is infallible. the man can not make a wrong move.

THIRD, i love ptoing more than helm. i love patrick more than zak. but i still bought zak's new book, because i understand why zak is worth money.

here is a defense of zak, written by patrick: find it on patrick's blog. falsemachine.blogspot.com
anyway, the first thing about patrick is he is more-of-a-poet than zak. zak is commercial but patrick, generally, is free. third-secondly, both of these dudes are commercial, but not very. STILL: THEY HAVE PUBLISHED BOOKS AND WE CAN READ THEM.


LETS TALK ABOUT PTOING.

the PLAYERS HANDBOOK AND HOW IT RELATES TO PIXEL ART

[tocky]

this one being about ILLKE and buddha and stuff like this. reductionist arguments and reductionist palettes.

scrap princess, why to throw away the book. vornheim maybe. why we should care about all this. why the igf gave vornheim an award for technology when there were perfectly good programmers they could have given it to, waiting in the wings, and zak not even a programmer

THE MONSTER MANUAL.

[tocky]

then, having completed the trinity, return to jesus; talk about numbers. and PLATO. and the PLATONIC SOLIDS. i will telly you about the number 3, and why we need it, and why it is the only good prime. the good numbers are 0, 3, and the PLATO SERIES

we could also talk about the GOLDEN RATIO here. and FIBONACCI and the TAROT

tbh its the same thing. a sword is a vote but a bunch of stars is a vote of another sort, being helm, you outrank a lot of mods you got more power to do shit around here than i do (though im not sure who holds power here anymore, the rogue samurai system seems kinda weak at quashing rebellion. i dont think we should reunite under a single pixel-god-king or anything i just think we should do more with what we have already ) tbh im an accelerationist not a kingmaker... i dont trust ptoing to be king, none of these dudes. not helm, not tocky, not ilkke, not arachne. so its better than whatever. but we can do a samurais thing but with more friendly samurais. the brush instead of the blade. build bridges

i think i may be advocating for traditional family values again. ill come back later and check to see if im still right.


ok yeah. utilitarianism. communism. friendly communism. guy with nothing to lose and a finger on the nuclear button that returns everything to samurais. basicaly what we have now but i ramble more. more rambling. let me protest the shitty mod policy by being like 5% too shitty about it. then dont ban me. the mods will get better at this. you just need a tocky in to kick the tires on this old girl, its gonna be ship shape. non-commisioned officers. a security specialist. the wolf in the henhouse. doesnt have to be me. also we need a christ figure if we need an antichrist. if im the devil then we need arachne or ilkke or somebody to restore balance. make them come here and do a ramblethread


find the ghosts and bring them back and ask them questions

in short:
-maniak mansion commercial crtique (we already did this! here in the off-topic. just move my posts and helm's into the appropriate subforum. and i will run the thread. i am self-moderating. someone make the preview images, i dont want to )
-more mods i like who are friends of me, tocky
-texts are pixels too, a subforum for text. where its ok to ramble
-stop telling me to go somewhere else, ive done that before and it only makes me more mad
-more chaos less order.

street catholic.


treat arachne, helm, and ilkke as three popes. the trinity.

treat me as a ghost who we must listen to. the devil.

treat me, arachne, helm, and ilkke as the four epistles. more-or-less infallible even though not mods. still banable if we get out of line.

who is jesus? the pixel is jesus.

the father-and-son is hastur. helm.

the virgin (sorry) is arachne.

the holy spirit is ilkke.

actually we're all the holy spirit. ilkke is just the most neutral duder we have. we need him for non-binary ideas. ptoing will listen to helm and ilkke and arachne. maybe even tocky.

then who's jesus? we dont know yet, we havent met him yet.

tocky is only a false jesus. the rundlr.

 i guess ptoing is the current pope. what ptoing says is law/ ptoing said we must care about the c64 and so we have cared about it.


we need 12 mods: 3 helms, 3 arachnes, 3 ilkkes, 3 tockies. strong triads that support themselves. representative democracy.

fire, air, earth, and water. benders from every nation. the zodiac. let each triad have dominion over its own domain. edits for the dwarf people. girls for the elf people. neutrals for the neutral planet. ghosts for the void. chaos.

alex is a tocky. ptoing is a helm.

lets get more girls and neutrals and ghosts back in here we already got dudes to spare. too many helms. we need the cult of eredis to counter the cult of hastur. this completes the trinity, and completes the cult of tiamat. listen to some vaporwave or something. listen to grimes. scrap princess teaches us this.

[tocky]

then we talk about TIAMAT. at last, we have gotten to tiamat. tiamat loves fibonacci and i'll show you why. why three heads are better than seven. too many cooks spoil anything

then i will stop. bonus content here is about THE POWER OF POSITIVE THINKING, i will also discusss the binary and why throw away the binary. boolean states are not nonbinary enough, ints too nonbinary. the only good number is 3. how to make your own datatypes and how to manufacture data.

i have stopped here, there will be no new posts from tocky in this thread. I WILL NOT EVEN REPLY TO POSTS BUT THEY ARE WELCOME i will edit the posts i hav made until they are good.

i should also talk about ARACHNE AND CASSANDRA AND SAPPHO AND PANDORA ETC. THESE I WILL DISCUSS HERE

THE NUMBER OF POSTS IS SEVEN. THIS IS IMPORTANT. PILEDRIVER SO HELP ME IF YOU COLLAPSE ALL OF THESE POSTS INTO ONE POST I WILL BE VERY ANGRY ABT THIS AN I WILL SEEK VENGEANCE, RETRIBUTION, COMPENSATION, AND AN APOLOGY. I AM THE BEAST GNASH GNASH I AM THE BEAST.

in an apocryphal eighth posts, not on this forum, i will talk about APOCRYPHA, NECROMANCY, CRYPTOMANCY and ORIENTALISM, and the ORIENT, the EASTERN CANON. i will tell you how to read the apocrypha.

all gods are trve and metal. all are worthy of study. even the young.

i will discuss the FIEND FOLIO, which is to say, the goblins of the game industry.


FREQUENTLY VOICED COMPLAINTS
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1 " Don't care if you're trolling or genuinely got mental health problems, you're really making it a hassle to wade through this shit.  " RIKFUZZ

"u mad bro" essentially

what youre doing here is ignoring that what i say is true, even though it be bad, uncomfortable and intrusive. youre collapsing the function by using bullshit - madness/trolliness/whatever to dismiss me, ignore that i have expertise, that im smarter than you give me credit for - i tell you, even if im mad, the things i say is true. you guys are all mad. this is the classic troll statement "u mad bro" but with a human face - so yeah rik, im not trolling, youre trolling. this is my thread my friend, get out

as you can see the moderation structure on forums is to make sure posts like these dont get made. i tell you you guys are too wrong, not right enough. we can see from the object lesson of the yus bird level that this forum is fucking run by trolls that refuse to be trolled, as are all forums. youre not allowed to post anything without permission, but i got permission

so yeah - it doesnt matter if you dont care about me, rikfuss, it simply does not matter. the problem youre seeing is that everybody else on here blogs too slow, because noone comes here anymore. wade through shit. maybe make more posts. make better thought out replies to other peoples posts. maybe one day the people will come back. meanwhile there's just me and im the only one who cares about the problem. we have the talent here. i'll try to bring in new people. yesus, im trying to teach that d&d and pixel art and catholicism are three sides of the same coin. enjoy it. when was there last a ramblethread with ideas of this quality? i tell you, this is better than any ramblethread youve ever seen, a variation on the old designs. why do i have to keep telling you guys the same things we've always said? the way weve always said them? you refuse to listen to me.

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2 (Is this the result of smoking weed and reading Lovecraftian literature?) SEISEKI

i dont know if BORGES knows lovecraft or not, for example. but if not, he has read everything else. KAFKA and CHESTERTON and the 1001 NIGHTS. read all of the mystics. read SCHEHEREZADE. you can smoke weed if you want to, but this is not strictly neccessary. I theorised on googleplus that MICHAEL KIRKBRIDE, the concept artist and lore guy who makes MORROWIND better than both daggerfall and oblivion, was high --- RICHARD G, who is a personal friend of kirkbride, tells us that actually he's huffing old-school pulp fantasy books in the background. I'll copypaste what GRENVILLE told me in here when i can be fucked to look it up. In any case it takes a village to make a game like that, KIRKBRIDE is not the THEORETICAL WARREN SPECTOR of the THEORETICAL DEUS EX that is hand made entirely by WARREN SPECTOR. the only dude who makes games all on his own is DAISUKE AMAYA, and even then we have celebrated him using our bullshit ORIENTALISM. the japanese have their own canon and their own death cults.

I haven't even really read much lovecraft. BUT I'VE PLAYED OLD SCHOOL DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS, and IVE CONCERNED MYSELF WITH OLD SCHOOL DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS. I did this at the university. d&d being a sort of ur-game, before there was cave story. IVE BEEN EDUCATED IN THAT OLD SCHOOL RELIGION, in my case catholicism, but we should read all mystics, even the foreign ones that we cannot read, even the chinese, though their alphabet is completely ridiculous and they refuse to change it. because tehy will not throw away thousands of years of chinese history teh wasy we do so casually with their history and our own. and ive made OLD SCHOOL PIXEL ART. because its better than what they're giving us these days. But i am a young person and not an old person? why should i care. because otherwise we throw away our history. we do this in every field, even pixel art. because we are obsessed with desctruction and not with repeating the sins of the past.

personally, i am fond of VANCE and GAIMAN and AMBERGRIS and SERGIO TOPPI. i'll read MANARA. DOUGLAS ADAMS led me to red PRATCHETT, who i love, and DAWKINS, who we all love to hate because he is not social justice enough. i am fond of NOE and BARRERIO. we dont need to be old. we can be OLD SCHOOL REVIVAL. everything old is new again, nobody has fucking read it. steal your education for free online.

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3 Well, you know what? If you can teach me to cast necromantic spells through pixelart rituals, I'd be all for that. What do I need to do to raise the dead with photoshop? DRAZELIC

first of all i gotta teach you guys to believe in yourselves. I tell you: consider the monad. consider the DOOMSCII. PETSCII if you prefer, alex mauer taught me to care about this. consider CTHULHU if you must but look - there are other old gods. BEHEMOTH and LEVIATHAN. lets not make every game about death be CTHONIC. We have SUNLESS SEA and DARKEST DUNGEON but we can make games about the other death gods, also. consider the virtues of mappin everything to everythin else. It's better for me to tell you about symbol palettes than color palettes. It's closer to the metal. Lets be CANONISTS if we must be, but lets be HACKERS also. combine old ideas with new ideas with old new ideas. dont think of this a stealing: state your references and keep moving forwrd.

THE THING IS NONE OF US ARE EVEN LITERATE IF WE WILL NOT READ. NONE OF US ARE NUMERATE IF WE MATHS NOT. NONE OF US CAN BE SCHOLARS IF WE REFUSE TO BE. if you would be artists at least study art. the archive here is dead and it breaks the moderation policy to resurrect it. but it's still all there, we can read it. we dont deserve new pixel artists, we havent even listened to the ones we have now.

we can see that BORGES anticipates lovecraft. he is pre-lovecraft.  we should read all the prelovecraftians, the pre-cthonics, we can be precyclopean

learn processing. shiffman will teach you processing.

when i told ILLKE someone had stolen his werewolfs for a flixel game, he was like "eh, thats cool, let them have it". he did not know it, he didnt even care! and the game was cool. we should all be more like ilkke. stop burning bridges, build some bridges. if all you guys are gonna roleplay as chaos gods either way might as well read them. i have to tell you this story so i can tell you the story after this one. learn to read so you can learn to pixel. do not ask, is it pixel or not? this is the wrong question. WHAT IS THE LIZARD RACE/ HOW CAN WE STOP IT?

[rikfuzz]

Don't care if you're trolling or genuinely got mental health problems, you're really making it a hassle to wade through this shit. 

[Seiseki]

This man has seen what is beyond reality's veil of sanity.

(Is this the result of smoking weed and reading Lovecraftian literature?)

[Drazelic]

Um.

Well, you know what? If you can teach me to cast necromantic spells through pixelart rituals, I'd be all for that. What do I need to do to raise the dead with photoshop?

[tocky]

i said i wouldnt bump this but i lied, my earlier premise, that the discourse would continue to move without me, that all it needed was to be kickstarted, is obviously faulty. there are not enough of us left. i want eyes on this. words about helm in post http://wayofthepixel.net/index.php?topic=17802.msg158712#msg158712

if we must be art critics we must be responsible about it. we consider form but not symbolism, meaning, intent. this is why someone can tell you youre not pixel enough, this is the biggest problem with the pixel art community, is this gate-keeping that is used to shut up outside opinions. for example i remember when ilkke first came to pixeljoint and everyone tried to tell him he was not pixel (his stuff being too tool-heavy at the time or some bullshit) over time we can see ilkke and ptoing trending more strongly together, as evidence of the same-feel nature of the pixel establishment. this is not pixel, gate-keeping is not pixel.

like, ptoing and ilkke are friends, they like each other. but they also back each other up. i am fond of ilkke, he's always been like a patron to me, but the idea we need patrons is bunk. i shouldn't have to prove that i'm not shit every time i post here. the evidence is the posts themselves, which i spend energy on.

[Helm]

Can only speak for myself from your examples of people you describe for various reasons, you are assigning intentional motivation to certain unconscious impulses. There's no way to talk about some of the stuff you think you can.

Good news: I see where you're coming from much more now than a few days ago and I'm glad that is so.

Bad news: the things you want to discuss cannot be discussed because that would entail deep psychological analysis and I am not game for that. re: shitting guy example in the ramblethread, you deduct that I wanted to fuck with people, this is false; I cannot tell you what I wanted to do, it's been too long and I'm not the same person enough to know what I had in mind but that I wanted to 'fuck with people' rings untrue all the same. You do this again and again with various persons in your posts, you subscribe meaning to their actions without being an 'observer from above' as you think you are, you are just another person in various stages of communication and ex-communication, connection and dis-connection.

If this is your way to achieve more communication, more connection, so be it. Disfuctional or not, mine is just one opinion. But this (this post) is as far as this method will take you with me. Perhaps Zak S will be more willing to let you psychoanalyze him.

What you're doing is fine in the sense that, sure, feel free to take anything and get anything out of it, recombine, be creative, enjoy, be radical, try to subvert pixelation (I somewhat support this just for the injection of chaos into a far too entropic system at the moment - for example most of the rules of pixelation are nonsensical in 2015. But my support is academic: I have no power here anymore and that in itself was my statement as far as pixelation-hacking goes). But it's one thing to talk about distant entities like Borges and debate whether they've read H.P. or not and another to talk about me like I'm a historical figure, mainly for the fact of the matter that I can step up and tell you that what you think is going on never crossed my mind. You have to deal with that. How you adjust your narrative given this will show how useful your toolset you're proposing here is.

[tocky]

" There's no way to talk about some of the stuff you think you can. "

i can show you a way. it's non-binary logic. there are many paradigms, not exactly two.

" you abscribe... "

yeah, i am willing to consider that people's motivations are not what they say. often when people tell me what i say is not about the pixel what they mean is shut up about this, and go away. meaning, motivation, energy, is something we can only talk about if we are willing.

but art is meaning. it matters whether the artist thinks the thing they're doing is pixel. it matters if we believe the things we say, truly.

we're forgetting that the greek philosopher pixelocrates teaches: all things are pixel. pixels are atoms, small parts, replacable. ordered sets of pixels, ordered sets of ideas. i can prove anything, why not prove something good for art? instead of shitting in a sine arc.

zak doesnt give a shit about pixels. this isn't psychonanalysis. this is art criticism, which has psychology as some part of its focus.

so yeah. if i have to go somewhere else i will. but i'd ratehr do it here. I'd rather not blog in a vaccuum. i'd rather map teh message onto the audience. i'll fight a ghost.

any idea can be expressed in the form "pixel"/"not pixel". but some things are both pixel and not-pixel. good or bad or neutral or null. what i'm describing is the technology we will need to use to talk about the pixel if we are to make it relevant, really truly relevant. we are to meet the enemy. and we are to build that third space, the neutral space. switzerland. where the filthy neutrals live.

this is why we need math: none of us have been taught how to math. this is why we need literature: none of us are literate. not even me! because these are things we do not examine. i need to be able to talk about it. i need a space and and audience for it. and this space, this audience, is supposed to care about this message, if not me.

we do need psychology, and reverse psychology, and neutral psychology. or we fall in the trap of not giving a shit.

the thing is zak, even if not as a knight, i need him as a victim. he's the guy who has lived this, he's the guy who can say, this is wrong, because he's the guy who knows. even if he dont give a shit about pixels he gives a shit about bad art criticism on forums. also he is the nearest thing to a pixel art that isnt one: a hacker, and anarchopunk, a game designer, and a commercial artist at that. there is a common cause here. even if im the only one who sees it.

see, we should even regret the word 'bad' which is from 'baeddel' for a feminine boy. it's problematic. ableist even. i still use it but i feel bad when i use it.

this is demographics not truth. anyone can learn to pixel. it's the easiers part of waht we do. getting paid for it is hard, we're gonna have to reconsider whether work is worth money, how we can build an economy where it is worth money. how to treat those of us who aren't or choose not to be because the system is corrupt.

there can be no debate about whether lovecraft has read borges. he has. why not debate about whether helm has? if you havent read him you still might. if you have read him, you still might. it's healthy to ask whether helm-not-borges or borges-helm is more right. im going to point to dudes who, combined with helm, are more right than helm. rightness is transitive.

what im talking about is not the death of the artist but the survival of the artist. and the third thing inbetween, which is depression. lots of us are depressed. you are from greece. lots of people there are depressed. there's no money in it.

safe spaces for artists who arent making money but might wish to, someday.

helm thinks form is pixel. socrates-helm would think that meaning is pixel also. neither-helm would tell us to go away. both-helm... i don't know. who's that guy? i guess both helm is socrates helm, the forth helm is meaning-not-form helm. someone more like me. a post-structuralist helm.

good-helm, bad-helm, both-helm, null-helm.

good, ie form, is a traditionally-male-view. bad, ie feelings, is a traditionally-female one. if we only consider form, and not the feelings of the artists we talk to, we creep them all away.

listen, i got autism, but i can explain myself to you, because i care about the message and i've taught myself how to teach. helm, you're not a ghost. you're still alive. why not learn the new meme?

[RAV]

You're not getting out of this quite what you want, huh.

Helm's fine. Post more pixels along your performance art.

you gotta work for your audience. ain't easy bein' cheesy, bro.

[tocky]

true enough. but this, writing, is work too. I am doing this thing. i have been trained to write about the pixel and i am good at it. drawing would mean slowing down and i refuse to do so to please any basic-level troll. i need trolls with higher-order understanding, post-socratic elves, people who have at least considered whether they might be pre-socratic, willing to consider socrates and whether they need a history of western philosophy or not.

but listen, bertrand russel's history is not good enough. if we do not take time to consider the pre-socratics we do not even consider lovecraft, or any mystic.

what i want, more than anything, is an audience, and the threat of argument. but noone is arguing on my level because noone will even consider socrates.

i don't need peopel to agree, i only need them to listen. i am like a troll in this way but i am not a troll.

RAV is one of the best trolls i have so far, but still not very good. rav believes that all things are bullshit, this is nihilistic. actually truth is not bullshit. we can be nihilistic idealists.

so RAV im not mad at you im just disappoint.


here's a good new post by patrick: http://falsemachine.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/for-love-of-dwarves.html

he posts shit like that all the time. this dude doesnt get paid either by the way. we kill most poets by telling them they're not good enough to talk about their own feelings.

[AlexHW]

drawing would mean slowing down and i refuse to do so to please any basic-level troll. i need trolls with higher-order understanding, post-socratic elves, people who have at least considered whether they might be pre-socratic, willing to consider socrates and whether they need a history of western philosophy or not.

Speed is relative. Without sense of location among others, how fast you're going becomes indiscernible. What translates from the mind to the hand requires great understanding to make movements that are of any use. If drawing is slow for you, then perhaps learning to draw more quickly would offer a worthy challenge for yourself. Moving heavier/difficult things(things that don't want to move easily) takes more energy, but it also strengthens the mind and body.

[tocky]

http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=46114.0

I MOVE MORE QUICKLY THAN MOST OF THESE NERDS