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So I did this picture for Paddy, theme being Birds+Shadow creatures, I thought it was quite good and I put quite a bit of work into it, but I've got absolutely no feedback on it so far so I am a bit worried since artists tend to be blind to their own mistakes.

Are there any grave mistakes? What can I improve? Is it too boring maybe?
« Last Edit: December 26, 2013, 03:13:56 pm by Mr. Beast »

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #1 on: December 26, 2013, 03:42:41 pm
It feels to me that the eye wants to be the focal point, but there isn't enough to make it obvious that that is the focal point.

Good piece!

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #2 on: December 26, 2013, 03:46:32 pm
First: I absolutely love it. Should be obvious ;D Two things, however: I think the feathers could be darker. It's quite light for a crow. Also, I really like the two colors on the crow (blue and red/magenta), but I believe the background colors clash a bit with these two.
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 04:00:32 pm
@Crow: Ah, good catch with the colors, I tried to make the whole picture darker first but that didn't work out, but just making the feathers darker works very well and actually helps separating it from the background.

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #4 on: December 26, 2013, 04:16:33 pm
if you're thinking of recoloring
i think the best colors for the crow would be some tones that would work better with the lights from sides
i made a quick recolor..


sorry for messing with a lot of things on the pic - was just playing around   :P

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #5 on: December 26, 2013, 04:29:10 pm
Ah yeah, I've been waay to conservative again. Those colors are great, mind telling me what you did to get them?

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 05:44:57 pm
Ah yeah, I've been waay to conservative again. Those colors are great, mind telling me what you did to get them?

most of them are just edits of your colors, like the darkest shade on the bird was green for you but I moved it to blue..
you can tell there's not too much difference in a lot of the colors, like the red shades I just gave them a tint of blue

my first color choices were a little too dark then I made it lighter in Gimp,

I think blue was the better choice to go for the Crow since it works with teal and pink light sources :- )

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 05:35:36 pm
Small update

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #8 on: December 28, 2013, 06:39:36 pm
This is more of an analysis of your tendencies in general rather than specific to this piece, but:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30179243/Pixelart/mr_beast.PNG

You have a tendency to use 45 degree diagonal lines and a triangular composition in almost all of your original (read: not intended to be a perfect copy of some reference or other) pieces, to the point where it's immediately obvious that a piece is yours just based on whether it matches those criteria. Most importantly, in almost every piece you've got this... sweeping trend from bottom-left to upper-right corner. It's getting a bit repetitive, and I feel like you're sort of stuck in a compositional rut where this diagonal-triangle composition is the only one you're really comfortable with doing.

There are some exceptions in your latest works- Minion of the Eye and Darkness Injection noticeably avoid this diagonal-trend of yours. Still, I'd advise you to try to avoid this comfort-zone of yours; all these 45-degree angles add up into diagonal 90-degree angles which are incredibly obvious, uningenuous, and distinctly artificial and non-organic (diagonal 90-degree angles are even rarer in nature than just normal 90 degree angles, which at least show up when trees intersect with horizon-lines and whatnot).

I don't know if you were aware of this trend of yours, but hopefully this explanation has helped either way.

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #9 on: December 28, 2013, 07:14:48 pm
No I wasn't aware of that. :-\

I will keep that in mind the next time I plan out a piece.
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #10 on: December 28, 2013, 08:02:14 pm
By the specificness and choice of words, it sounds like a critique with more than one supposed recipient. Curiously, it's the kind I am interested in, though it reads damning, and maybe at that a bit too sweepingly general on the issue. The question here is scale of employment and goals of construction. Certainly it is an option that can have some good case of usage in the right measure. For example, organic forms, often related to round-ish shapes can profit of 45° in *micro*-optimizations of the "linework"'s "breaking points" for just a tad cleaner impression without actually defining shape in total; and many of mankind's artificial products, some of the most useful, ingenious and fascinating among them, even very much rely on diagonal 90° macro shape. So as an option it can make a strong case when supported properly for the right occasion. And that is not even to mention the problem beyond pixel art, that in another medium sufficiently approximating such shape, like a classic roof-top, or the edge of a blade, or the wings of a plane, via proper 90°s can be too costly in computation. Just some thoughts, my apologies for hijacking your thread, Mr.Beast. Cool crow.
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #11 on: December 28, 2013, 08:45:09 pm

I would appreciate some feedback on the head, made lots of changes but were never really satisfied by it. :ouch:
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 03:55:11 am
I like the original because it is more true to a real life crow. The head of crows (and many other birds) are slicked back and smooth. While there is texture, it wouldn't be in big clumps like that, maybe like more fine, short hairs. Here are two references I searched up where you can zoom in:
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/AP%20HART93%2020Mar10%20cutout_kjm5340.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Carrion_crow_20090612.jpg
Also found this that matches your pose:

Besides the plumage, I really think you have gotten a pretty accurate shape, but the plumage really bugs me. Made a little edit to the head to show what I feel would look better. I just painted over it, so take a lot of it with a grain of salt.

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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 01:23:51 pm
Yeah, the plumage was completly unplausible because the size of the single feathers were completely wrong. I am not going for a completely smooth look though.



I used this reference since it pretty clearly shows how long the single feathers are at different points: http://www.deviantart.com/art/crow-113203689
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #14 on: January 02, 2014, 01:57:01 am
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 08:44:32 am
Can't say I like the eye in the latest one. Looks like it's blind :-\
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Re: Looking for feedback on the SS13 piece I did. | Mysterious Crow

Reply #16 on: January 02, 2014, 11:10:25 am


- Crows have dull hightlights, it takes quite a bit of light to make them shiny. They are very dark.
- Highlights tend to be cold and shadows tend to be warm, that's why they look otherworldly.
- Pay attention to how the head and the beak forms one line, how the neck curves into the body etc.
Try to identify the landmarks that identify a crow. For instance, feathers around the head tend to point towards the eye.
Everything tends to radiate out from there for most birds. Feather structures never make sharp turns.
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Does scaling an image blur it?
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