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Thoughts on Pixels and Dots. Video

on: June 25, 2012, 09:16:34 pm
I made a video about some thoughts I had today about Pixels and Dots: http://youtu.be/yp07hmxAXRQ
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Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 12:02:53 am
I don't know what you're getting at, really. I mean, I think I do but I'm not sure it's worth persuing. It's very difficult for me to follow your train of thought, I have to say. A pixel is not different to the things around it in a computer graphics context at least, since it is surrounded by other pixels, in different formations. For a big part of that video you take a long time to say the same simple thing in various different ways, and then you go into things that - from watching a few more of your other videos - sound to me like spiritualist (pseudo?)philosophy. It's a bit disconcerting to me, really. Reminds me of that type of talking - not the content of the argumentation necessarily - of self help gurus. And the way they sell their mode of living is by seeming very charismatic, together, sooth-saying and you know, trustworthy. These aren't the things you're projecting with these videos. The opposite, I feel as if you're in a vurlnerable state of some kind... it's hard to watch, honestly.

Props for solid knowledge of the ancient/Greek alphabet though. Not that I'm an expert, but I'm Greek and you know as much as I do about that stuff, heh.

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Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 03:37:13 am
was basically just exploring how a pixel represent a place in space that focuses your awareness to something unique. Yes each pixel is different- even if all of the pixels are black, white, or whatever color they all have a different characteristic about their place.
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A pixel is not different to the things around it in a computer graphics context at least, since it is surrounded by other pixels, in different formations.
Perhaps categorically they may appear all the same, but then with that frame of mind you would never see a pixel for what a pixel truly is. All your definitions for what a pixel would be- would be generalizations that are relative to all the things they are not. If that's the case, then what are they? By focusing on the things outside of the pixel, you're overlooking the inside of them so how can you see the whole picture.

I've researched a little bit about greek alphabet but there's still a lot I would like to know about it, or a lot that I feel could be explained deeper.

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Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 06:54:50 am
I don't think I was quite as lost as Helm was, but a lot of what he said applies to my thoughts as well.

Firstly, there shouldn't be any " kind of"s in a talk like this. How are we supposed to believe or learn from your concepts if they're amorphous to you as well?

Also I think it would be important to mention that " dot art" is a term that came from the east, and that our traditional view of a ( circular) dot is not the definition you speak of here. It may seem like an insignificant difference, but all the "dots" that are pixels are ones that always connect perfectly with each other ( where as a circular dot would have those star shaped spaces in between- basically descriptive limbo).

While it did come off as psuedo philosophy I think you did touch on some good points that are unique to pixel art and by looking "inside" the pixel, the artform does become much deeper than the more superficial game art that popularized it.

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Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 07:51:23 am
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Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 08:54:46 am
Alex... I don't see any raw message, or at least it's not the rawness that is disconcerting to me. Your basic thing of "look at things differently/from the inside/from the outside/in parallel/Awaken your Consciousness" has been done to death by other more successful new-age guru types. Real philosophers have tackled very difficult topics related to consciousness too, but with extreme mental acuity and rigor. Even the structure of language itself has been a philosophical talking point for the last 50 years or so. You seem to be thinking you're doing something new and important to the world at large, whereas your stuff has been done to death and better by other people whose main talent in life had been the ability for razor sharp reasoning. You're a great artist, but you're not a philosopher.

The thing that makes me uncomfortable though is not that you're not a philosopher, it's that you don't seem to see what I see in this whole thing. I think I've honed into it is that I feel you're giving the vibe of either being a snake oil salesman ("look at these magnificent truths! buy my book!") which would presuppose dishonesty on your part or you're a bit unstable at the time, in which case there are other things you might want to consider than making youtube videos about whatever comes to mind. It's a slippery slope to talk to a camera in that mental state. I don't think you're dishonest.

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Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 09:44:41 am
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Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 10:05:53 am
I am saying that you aren't conveying anything new because other people have dedicated their whole lives to studying life and they then express their thoughts in a painstakingly rigorous manner that, once studied systematically, makes sense both on the cerebral level and the more important subconscious intuitive one. Most people do not have this experience of 'feeling the pieces fall in place' first-hand because they do not study philosophy. They instead get exposed to core philosophical ideas through art and entertainment media in an easier to digest and stereotypical form. Most people know the Nietzsche quote of "gaze into the abyss enough and the abyss may stare back at you" as it is a pop culture meme but most people haven't read "Beyond Good And Evil". If they had, they'd see there's a sequence of ideas that starts from certain axioms and arrives at certain theories and the whole construct is attached to, and in dialogue with, every other major philosophical line of thought in the Western world, at least. The web of knowledge on the subject is vast and also beautiful. It is the grandest design humanity has to offer, the ultimate monument to sentience.

Someone provides an axiom and a theory. And then other thinkers debate their points of view endlessly and offer contrasting theories. The thing becomes complex organically. That's what philosophy is. If you're not engaged in a dialogue that goes as far back as Plato, you're not really presenting a philosophical argument in a way that takes advantage of the history of thought. You're reinventing the wheel.

What people do this? People that are offering shortcuts. Why do they offer shortcuts? Because philosophy is only posing questions, there are no answers. Some people want answers, and fast. Some people are desperate. Other people pretend to have answers and take advantage of desperate people. Nobody really has any answers, only a million of questions. Gazing into the construct of these interconnected questions often gives an intuitive feeling of a structure, structure to thought and language and method. That is the closest thing we have to an answer: There are a lot of questions arranged in a system whose function is to interpet experience in a useful or inspiring way.

Are your videos contributing to that construct? I don't think so. You don't seem aware of the backlog of knowledge to internalize it, and what you're offering is very muddy and even when I get to understand it, the points you're making are trite. Some philosophers can work without having much prior knowledge and their 'outside' points of view are very valuable, but they still are incorporated into the grand discussion that is philosophical discourse because what they have to offer is - when understood - viewed as integral. After 4,000 years of human throught, most 'virgin discoveries' of this sort have been made.

The things you're writing are resistant to being discussed because they are super vague and apparently contradictory. You'd have to work a lot harder to get anyone else to follow your train of thought. If you're really serious about philosophy and you're not 1. trying to sell something 2. in a shaky mental state, then I would urge you to put a lot of study time into Philosophy! Right now you're not that "thunder perfect mind" that can sidestep the whole world's accumulated effort on understanding life and the human condition via suspect spiritualist notions. It is very dubious that you think you've come across something life-altering and super-important and 1. you can't articulate it 2. you don't seem to be very together at all. If you had found the Truth and Answer to it All, I would expect a very different result on your psyche. You might be deluding yourself.

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Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 04:31:03 pm
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Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 06:16:23 pm
As a courtesy, please spare me the psychoanalysis. Fair is fair, I told you that I think you seem a bit out of it and I will accept that you think I have a broken self, whatever that is, sounds like I have it. But as to why either of these things have happened, I won't guess and I ask you not to offer your guesses. The phenomena are there, leave the psychoanalysis to the therapists.

I don't have any answers, as I've said. Philosophy is about questions. A big tree of many branches, every one of them when scritinized have even more branches. It is not my answers that are threatened, it is my sanity.  I am wrong all the time, yet remain sane. I have misunderstood knowledge, esp. philosophy to a great extent, so, so much, yet I keep on trucking because the construct is sound. I don't think I'm often right even for much more basic things. I am not talking about right and wrong. I am talking about things that are useful versus things that are not.

The things you're putting in your videos are madness. Not all of them, some are more lucid than others, but some are just rambly incoherent messes. They're not useful to me. I can tell from watching 5 minutes of them and yet I've watched a couple of hours just to try to understand what's going on with you because of our previous Pixelation history, even if it's not useful to me personally. We never had the best relations in the past, but I sincerily worry about you, Alex.

Again, for clarity. The videos are madness because you ramble on and on about things that either
1. don't make sense
2. make a very banal sort of sense

The words you put in a row are not defined, you use them in strange ways and you abuse their connections. It's like a dreamy haze, you say 'stuff', 'perception', 'reality', 'thinking' a lot and you arrive at no higher structures, just a word soup of these basic things in haphazard, rambling connections.

And when you do wrestle an understandable point out of 10 minutes of rambly dreamy stonery monlogue, the point is self-evident and not illuminating at all, like saying "when you think outside the box, you percieve things differently, then good things can happen". Well, alright!

I expect that to you you make perfect sense and are reaching for the heavens with your revelations. That's what worries me, self-delusion. It's not that I don't understand you, it's that what you're presenting is resisting to be understood. Can you see the difference? You're doing a bad job of conveying information or the information you present is nonsense. If it's the former, work harder. If it's the latter, stick to making art, where more vague ideas are best channeled.

You do not seem to me to be 'unfiltered and raw'. You seem to me suffer from delusions of grandeur. You think you're saying important stuff, how many people you've exposed your thoughts to agree? How many lives have been bettered by your wisdom? As I said before, I don't think you're trying to sell ice to eskimos here, I do believe you that you believe yourself to be saying great and important things. This is what really worries me. Back on the earth plane, how are you making do? What do you do for work? Do you have friends and family and a support system? Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend? When's the last time you went out and about? Are you taking care of your health?

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Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 07:09:57 pm
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Reply #11 on: June 26, 2012, 08:07:46 pm
Alex, one tip. Stop dodging any serious questions someone might be asking you.
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Reply #12 on: June 26, 2012, 08:54:47 pm
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Reply #13 on: June 26, 2012, 09:19:21 pm
I kinda like your presentation and general train of thought, but I really think you need to script your videos. The description of the video explains the topic and your thoughts on it much better than the very 9 minutes long video. You should work on conveying your ideas more coherently, or maybe just stick to writing until mastering oral presentation. But really, a good and practiced script is the first step.

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Reply #14 on: June 26, 2012, 09:29:52 pm
You do not seem to me to be 'unfiltered and raw'. You seem to me suffer from delusions of grandeur. You think you're saying important stuff, how many people you've exposed your thoughts to agree? How many lives have been bettered by your wisdom? As I said before, I don't think you're trying to sell ice to eskimos here, I do believe you that you believe yourself to be saying great and important things. This is what really worries me. Back on the earth plane, how are you making do? What do you do for work? Do you have friends and family and a support system? Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend? When's the last time you went out and about? Are you taking care of your health?

Alex, these. Can't you answer those in a straightforward fashion? If not, then you have a problem.
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Reply #15 on: June 26, 2012, 10:11:38 pm
I'm not sure why he has to answer. Just because someone wants to convey a certain spiritual/philosophical message, he has to lead a life society deems worthy/good/healthy. Who cares who is he behind the screen...and his videos? I sure don't.

I don't follow this third degree treatment.

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Reply #16 on: June 26, 2012, 11:02:09 pm
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Reply #17 on: June 26, 2012, 11:03:53 pm
He does not have to answer them to us. Question is if he is honest enough to seriously think about them himself.
He also dodged other questions I asked him someplace else. Direct questions related to the content of his videos. He dodged me in the same manner as he is now dodging Helm.

Edit: Alex, I am not saying that your views don't belong. They certainly belong to you. What I am saying is that most of your views expressed in your videos are as Helm already stated incoherent or if they are not they are very obvious things.

But since I been there, done that in regards to this talk to you you can either continue with Helm or leave it.
I am out of this.
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Reply #18 on: June 26, 2012, 11:23:43 pm
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Reply #19 on: June 26, 2012, 11:33:10 pm
Wow guys, really disappointing behavior here.

!yus! !yus! !yus!

Helm, to be fair to Alex, it's totally inappropriate for you to make statements as to his metal health or stability. If you really think Alex is in a vulnerable state of mind or that he has a broken self, take it up with him personally, keep it to yourself, or talk to your cat about it. But don't post stuff like that here for the world to see. That's ass.

Alex, Helm was rude and I think you trolled defensively.

We've gone waaaay off topic from "Thoughts on Pixels and Dots". You guys are two of my favorite pixel artists. These walls of text are just masturbatorial. Stop it.

!yus! !yus! !yus!

As for the video, Alex, I think you should step back and listen to the constructive critique you've gotten. We are pretty good at that here. Take the suggestions to heart and see if you can't improve as a speaker and presenter.

I agree that you need more preparation and structure. Do a cold run, preferably in front of a friend so they can ask questions and give you feedback. Even holding some index cards during your presentation might help. You tend to get lost during transitions, lots of 'uh's and 'kind of like's. I feel like your stream-of-conscious approach is hurting your actual message.
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Reply #20 on: June 26, 2012, 11:44:21 pm
well.. the point of the videos originally was to allow me to practice my speech and be more free with it.. learning as I go so I can improve and be able to tie my thoughts better with my mouth. I preplan things a lot, so I wanted to take a different approach.. I guess I just felt attacked for it when all I was really trying to do was improve things in my own way- taking initiative and just talking so that I can exercise it/flex it and stuff. There's a way to be supportive, and then a way to question my intelligence.. if they want to question my intelligence then I'm going to give them a good showing of it regardless of the level.

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Reply #21 on: June 26, 2012, 11:48:33 pm
After posting I realized you never really said you wanted critique on your presentation. Perhaps having myself and others giving you unsolicited advice was inappropriate. If I offended you, I sincerely apologize.
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Reply #22 on: June 27, 2012, 07:33:20 am

Blue and Lachie, perhaps you don't have the whole story. I didn't say that Alex has a broken self, he said that to me. I did say however that I think Alex seems on shaky ground, mentally. But this isn't so much about this specific pixels and dots video, but about his other videos I've watched, which I urge you to also watch before you pass judgment on what I am saying. And what I am saying, though over the line clearly and admittedly, is out of honest concern to Alex. Alex has made 30 videos in the past couple of weeks about this stuff and he's also written a book about them, and none of it makes any sense. His videos are... what I've described before. Shouldn't these be warning signs that *someone* has to finally notice? I've seen this pattern before and I know where it leads. If I am wrong and everything's fine, I'll gladly take the hit to my reputation for having behaved like an ass and apologize. But if I am not wrong then the way I'm intervening is the least I can do. There's a time for politeness and keeping to oneself and there's a time to step out and try to help.

If Alex doesn't want to hear my concerns or is patronized by how I'm phrasing them, I won't press this any more. But he did post a video of himself which is the only reason I've talked about this. Again, my only throught in this is to 'break through' for a second here, through what I see as self-delusion for the express purpose of helping. A person can be high-functioning in one respect and totally delusional on another. I realize that even if I'm reading things correctly, such a breaking through might be nigh impossible over the internet but I had to try.

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Reply #23 on: June 27, 2012, 07:12:02 pm
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Reply #24 on: June 27, 2012, 07:44:00 pm
I'm glad the issue offence is settled.

Nothing to break through, then. Carry on.

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Reply #25 on: June 27, 2012, 09:07:13 pm
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Reply #26 on: June 27, 2012, 09:09:16 pm
What do you mean issues in general?

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Reply #27 on: June 27, 2012, 09:15:37 pm
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Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 09:50:37 pm
It's because I've had experiences in my family life with what turned out to be mental illness. It wasn't clear-cut at first. Some behaviours just seem on the 'safe side of odd' for a long time, but they build up. I'm very sensitive to these signs related to my family's history. Some things are best caught early on, some types of depressive or bipolar episodes especially. It's important that people around us 'check us'. Usually it's family and friends. I got the feeling from your videos that you're secluded and that there might not be someone to go "hey... you're not making much sense". I know it's rude if I'm wrong and it's over the line even if I'm right, but that's why I spoke up. I don't mind being the bad guy if it gives you some feedback that you can put to good use. This is why I asked if you're employed, if you're taking care of yourself, if you have close friends you're hanging around with, if you're in contact with your family. Because if the answer is no to most or all of these things, that's a good 'objective' measure of whether you might be going in a dangerous direction.

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Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 09:51:35 pm
I have nothing to add to the discussion, except I appreciate how you dramatically jump into frame in each video. Then I start thinking that maybe you're James Franco in Pineapple Express and get distracted from whatever message you're conveying. Sorry. :(

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Reply #30 on: June 27, 2012, 10:05:56 pm
This is why I asked if you're employed, if you're taking care of yourself, if you have close friends you're hanging around with, if you're in contact with your family. Because if the answer is no to most or all of these things, that's a good 'objective' measure of whether you might be going in a dangerous direction.

That's just stuck out for me cos I can answer no to most of those (I take care of myself, cos I have to).  I can't find work around here.  I don't have close friends.  I'm not in touch with family.  I know this is all about Alex here but that part just hit me personally.  Sorry for butting in.  I'm done.  Continue.
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Reply #31 on: June 27, 2012, 10:21:44 pm
Carnivac, I'm sorry to hear that. The bad thing about these factors is that one influences the other until it's a self-sustaining loop.

I'd like to clarify the thing about being in contact with one's family, though, there are situations where that's not a good thing, if the family's feeding somebody's disfuction for example. But I'm just saying that it's a useful thing to look at our situation from an outside vantage and count strikes for and against our lifestyle not based on whether we're 'happy' or not, but on whether we're functional. People need intimacy to function.

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Reply #32 on: June 27, 2012, 10:45:50 pm
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Reply #33 on: June 28, 2012, 12:09:46 am
On your first paragraph, what you're doing is armchair psychoanalysis. It's besides the point why I am now in the position to tell you that you're exhibiting certain behaviours. You don't have to tell me your theories. I am well-meaning, if you can trust me to say so. If not, then let's end this discussion because no amount of maneuvering will get us anywhere.

We all project when threatened. I don't feel threatened by you, but you have no way of knowing that and may not trust me in saying that. So let's say I am projecting because I am threatened. I might be wrong about what I'm seeing in you. If I'm wrong, then I'm just some person on the internet with terribly poor manners. But what if I'm right and your brain is lying to you about your self-worth and your capacity to convey your all-important message?

Let's say you're also possibly projecting on me because you feel threatened. If you're wrong about me, then I'm not some close-minded square out to put you back in your box but someone who is actually worried about you even a little bit and that should alert you. If you're right, I'm just a jerk on the internet. Do you see the difference in stakes?

So, please, let's not do more armchair psychology. If you ask a straight question, as you see, I answer with my personal history or explain my thought process. You don't have to tell me your own theories about why I am as I am. I am not really telling you any theories. I am just saying: coherency of thought, seeking employment, active social life, taking care of oneself: these are systemic phenomena I trust to mean someone is at least not at the verge of disaster. One or two of these might be missing but the rest of the system will correct itself and they will appear on the road ahead. If all of them are missing then that's a dangerous direction.

Dangerous direction for whom? For you.

To your question: Often when I get e-mails from people seeking to employ me, I forward them to other artists that have a good track record. Yes, I have mentioned you to employers in the past because I like your work. We are not friends and that's as much as I care to help you in that way. Do you understand the distinction between me respecting your work enough to mention you amongst other Pixelation alumni possibly for hire, and me being super-invested in getting you employment because you're my close buddy?

By taking care of yourself I mean keeping your home clean and equipped and yourself healthy, in the case I was vague. That's a pretty recognised standard. I care enough to ask, but not enough to feed you. We are not friends or family.

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You must think that having close friends around will help you, yet the people around you, as you've stated developed mental illnesses..

My mother was moving in that direction before I was born. I am certain the realities of having to raise children further exacebrated her emerging condition. But in any case we all need a support system. If the one we've been dealt with by nature isn't cutting it, we should go on and find another, not just settle for nothing.

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Who's to say that these people won't try to do what you allowed to happen to your family

This is a valid concern. There is no way to be safe from what other people can do to you. Intimacy is always a risk so we must be equipped to deal. We learn what people are more dangerous and whom to trust. Traumatic experiences inhibit this and must be dealt with one way or another otherwise we are left alone. Every time we get hurt, we grow a thicker skin. If we are deeply wounded to the point where we can't bounce back and are disfunctional, we seek professional help.

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I was raised by my family, but when you're taken care for for so long, eventually you want to take care of yourself.. to think for yourself.. to find answers for yourself.. It becomes hard to listen to other people tell you what to do.

I agree 100%, as I said, if it's just the family part, alright, you're a 25 year old person, I understand that. But very few outsiders will care about you in a time of need as much as blood.

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But I try hard not to tell others what to do while I find my sense of self.. I just tell myself to do things and convey what I'm understanding, relate it with things around me so I can see myself in them, and maybe find something inbetween each other that we both understand.

You are making sermons but I doubt anyone understands you, this is not intimacy. You state your goal clearly: find something inbetween each other that we both understand. Wonderful! But is that being achieved? And let's just say I am an outlier case. Are there other people on whom your recent methods (book & videos) are successful?

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Reply #34 on: June 28, 2012, 12:47:07 am
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Reply #35 on: June 28, 2012, 01:03:15 am
I apologize for interjecting and also if it's not my place to say, but is there any benefit to this discussion not taking place in PMs? It is no longer about the video, and it has gotten to be more about the lives of the two people involved. It feels very personal, and so it's very strange to read. Like I'm listening in on a phone conversation or something.
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Reply #36 on: June 28, 2012, 01:08:39 am
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Reply #37 on: June 28, 2012, 01:46:35 am
Kasumi, I have taken note of your position and I am debating internally if you are correct.

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Of course not.. but I want to. Do you want to hear them?

Not really, sorry. You're free to have theories about why I am doing what I am doing of course. What I am trying to achieve is for you to aknowledge these two questions:

1. if you're not socializing and working and enjoying a support system, what will happen to you?
2. if you do not reach the people you wish to enlighten with your book and videos, what will happen then?

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Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 02:02:09 am
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Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 02:28:09 am
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Reply #40 on: June 28, 2012, 06:10:38 am
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I will keep pushing myself and conveying myself until someone hears me enough to return a message to me about myself so that I can understand myself better.

It seems you want to communicate and have people understand you.  If this is the case its on you to tailor your message such that others can understand it, rather than telling them to try harder to understand you.  You also seem to be trying to talk about some vague ideas that may not be expressable through langauge, since language has limitations.  If this is the case it might help to explain things in many different ways; if each explanation gives some vague glimpse into the concept then the combinations of all these will give a better understanding, even if not an exact one.  This way people can understand you better, which you seem to want.  When I was studying Zen thought it seemed to be the case that some concepts couldnt be described accurately through langauge so I found approaching defenitions in different ways helped me understand more, personal experience also helped.  This is why I suggest this.

Around 9 minutes in your new video youre talking about pre-planning your videos vs thinking things out during them as you are currently, if I understand correctly.  Thinking things  out is definately helpful for oneself, but doesnt neccesarilly help others understand it, since it seems even you are unsure when youre talking.  So you need to consider the aim of your videos.  Are they to help you formulate your own thoughts, or to help others understand your thoughts?  Each format can be helpful depending on the goal of the video.  Though if you want to help others understand your thoughts while simultaniously trying to sort out your own thoughts, a dialogue format might be more helpful.  In my experience Ive found dialgueing to be a better way to sort my own thoughts out because the other person can point out alternate ways of looking at things that I hadnt thought about, and then I can come to my own understanding through this route.

Hopefully I havent misunderstood you, and this is actually relevant, as I havent watched all your videos but I have been reading through this topic.

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Reply #41 on: June 28, 2012, 06:51:39 am
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Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 01:30:25 pm

1. if you're not socializing and working and enjoying a support system, what will happen to you?
you will feel isolated and you will try to relate yourself with things around you to find a presence.

Things are not people. Relating to what?. Relating to the theoretical viewer of your youtube videos won't be enough. Variations on solitude cannot be the answer to the pains of solitude.

2. if you do not reach the people you wish to enlighten with your book and videos, what will happen then?
I will keep pushing myself and conveying myself until someone hears me enough to return a message to me about myself so that I can understand myself better.

More practical: Will you rewrite the book? Will you work on your video presentations?
Let's say you do, and I am asking, if even then you don't seem to be getting the desired result of intimacy and interconnection with other human beings that see you as you truly are, how will you adapt?

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Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 06:14:04 pm
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Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 08:15:08 pm
I told myself I wouldn't get into this, but here I am.  :'(

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I will keep pushing in different ways what I know until I find a new side to myself that allows me to continue further and see more of myself. Over time I will get tired and have to rest, but this is yet but another push in a different way that will allow me to push on after I have pushed on my unseen self for a while.. I'll wake up and start pushing more on the variability around me because I will remember I can change and show myself more things if people want to reflect it back at me.
You realize you don't have unlimited time and resources? If what you're doing is not a success the first or second time, you will run out of savings and be in serious trouble. Do you have a plan for THAT case? I think that's what Helm is trying to get to the bottom of. If not, I would like to.

This is why a support system is good. Because even if you burn through all your money, friends or family might let you crash at their house while you sort out your life. (But don't expect them to let you do it for long.) With no support system, and no money, you are jobless and homeless and insuranceless and can't call in any favors to better your situation.

Do you have concrete plan if you deplete your savings? Yes or no?
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Reply #45 on: June 28, 2012, 08:23:00 pm
A pixel is nothing more then ROYGB light on a square, each color divided by 1/3  of a vertical part of the square.2/3 of the first 1/3 is R, the other 1/3 of te first 1/3 is O. The next 1/3 of the ¹1/3 is also O with 2/3 Y and the sequence goes on... A pixel is nothing more then an ilusion  :lol:. Yes, it's true, if we saw everything more perfect like an hawk for exemple we woudn't see pixels, we would only see color shifts, and those shifts create a single color on a pixel. Its an opaque vision of those colors. Exemple: White is the maximum of RGB (255,255,255), and black the minimum of RGB (000,000,000). A pixel could be any shape that can be divided by 1/6 shared by a single center. They should be at minimum 3 sides simmetry and maximumof 6, if we had something like 18 sides it wwould give an illusion of bending on the image.
There is no reason to explain what a pixel is, or maybe because you wan't to show off your high-capability on thinking. Go do something like a robot, don't waste your time with inane conversations such as this one.
If somedoby is saying idiot things just ignore, don't waste your time.

BTW, before doing a video try voiceacting. It's uncool to speak slow/fast even tough it's yourself. I tend to speak faster then I should but I just try to calm down. It look's like you are thinking on the answers for your own questions in the moment you are taping the video.
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Reply #46 on: June 28, 2012, 09:07:42 pm
philippe: Where is the OY coming from? Last time I checked monitors have Red Green and Blue light. Care to elaborate?
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Reply #47 on: June 28, 2012, 09:08:10 pm
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Reply #48 on: June 28, 2012, 09:22:00 pm
philippe: Where is the OY coming from? Last time I checked monitors have Red Green and Blue light. Care to elaborate?

shifts - orange yellow. I said that because the primary colors are Red, Yellow and Blue.

:O! ..interesting observations philippejugnet.
I will have to explore what you are saying.. I was feeling everything up until you said there is no reason to explain what a pixel is.. But that is almost as interesting as everything you had said prior to that, since you were trying to explain a pixel anyways. So if you say there is no point to explain it.. why did you?
I r not a robot! bzz bzz.. rrr.. or are you trying to make me one?.. to make me something that doesn't care?..

even though we don't need to talk about that, humans are inane! Sentiment is inane, we are inane beings! but all this meaning-less things in human life makes we feel like life makes sense, but it doesn't!
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Reply #49 on: June 28, 2012, 09:34:37 pm
If only shifts then why not something like ROYGCBM?
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Reply #50 on: June 28, 2012, 09:37:01 pm
If only shifts then why not something like ROYGCBM?

We just have 2 slots between 3 colors, and those are O and Y

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Reply #52 on: June 28, 2012, 09:45:19 pm
Sounds like no. You need me to define depleted for this case? When you have less money than the cost of living where you are. You want me to define cost of living? How much you need to keep a house/stay fed. Want me to define a house? A structure you live in that is on land you own or are legally renting. If you need more definitions beyond these that is worrying. If not, answer the yes or no question with yes or no. If you still can't I assume no, and that is also worrying but there's no helping anyone who doesn't see a problem. And you don't see a problem even if your answer was a concrete no, do you? Yes or no?

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but being free will allow me to be me
Free as in dead? Starving? Homeless? I would much rather you have a free self with a roof over your head and a source of income with people who care about your well being in your life. Wouldn't you? But you need a plan to make that happen.
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Reply #54 on: June 28, 2012, 11:12:16 pm
Videos:
Watched about 8 of them all the way thru.
Scrubbed thru a few others.

As much as preparation helps, your videos could benefit greatly from more post production work.
Per video there is 0-3 cuts that seem to only tie together multiple recordings.
With more editing your average of 10-20 min length could probly be cut down to 2-5 min and still contain the same general content.
Sliding in some images digitally to supplement what you are saying could also help.

I can recommend this book on film.
It's been years since I read it, and can't seem to find it on my shelf, but if its the book I'm thinking of its rather good.

Conversation:
I read the entire thread.
It's evolved quite a bit.
In its latest form I perceive that this is almost like some sort of experiment that Alex is running.
Seemingly random information is presented.
Viewers (mostly Helm) react.
Reaction is analysed and more random information and questions are presented.
Why? What then? How come? What about? So? Why? Why? Why?
From what I remember, this is what children do.
And I don't mean that offensively, to say this is "childish", I mean literally children.
They learn by throwing rocks and seeing what happens.
Shouting words and listening to what people say back.
Thru this data a definition can be created, in this case -> self.
That may not at all be the intention, but it's how I perceive the situation overall.
If that is on some level whats happening, that's fine.
It seems to be fueling more videos and perhaps another book.
Productivity is a good thing.
The only part that's not so great is Helm is giving very solid life advice, and its being pushed off as something like robotic bullshit.
If that's part of the whole ruse go ahead, but a nod or wink might put everyone more at ease.
Alex you may want to consider trying some sort of Tom Green Show/Jon Benjamin Has a Van/Borat type of thing where you run around and get reactions out of people.
Its a highly marketable genre and not many players in the field.

Humor:
As serious as this has been I found that if you sing snippets of Helm's posts to a rock guitar, and rap portions of Alex's text to a beat, its !@#$ hilarious.
Try it.

Thoughts:
This whole exchange is interesting, and I actually applaud those involved for having, and keeping, it in public.
In my observation of others, and own experience, I've found that the more vague and fuzzy we perceive things to be, the more "unhappy" we are, and less likely to be productive.
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Reply #55 on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:36 pm
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Reply #56 on: June 29, 2012, 12:54:47 am
What are you trying to define for me?
Nothing, except what you said wasn't concrete. Which to me means, "I don't understand." So I defined what I meant by depleting your savings. It is difficult to understand why I defined that?

Either way, you didn't answer that question or any of the others. They were simple questions. If I asked you complex questions about anything in your video I'd get no answers nor discussion I'd want any part of. You're talking to a guy that loves philosophy, loves thought experiments, loves conundrums, and the many ways language can be interpreted who is utterly turned off by what you're presenting. You may think Helm is not at all open to this sort of thing, so he doesn't count. I am open to this sort of thing, but you have not been able to convince me with all you've presented here.

You can be as enlightened as you want, you can see me as broken. Really, really, whatever you want. Your way of thinking and seeing and your quest for self enlightenment doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that the you haven't countered me in saying the life plan you've presented leads to homelessness and death. But if you're not bothered by that, I can't be bothered by it either. Best of luck.

Alex you may want to consider trying some sort of Tom Green Show/Jon Benjamin Has a Van/Borat type of thing where you run around and get reactions out of people.
Its a highly marketable genre and not many players in the field.

I'm reminded more of Kevin Trudeau than any of those people. Except I don't believe Kevin Trudeau really believes in anything he was talking about or selling ever, (Much like the actors who portray characters like Borat) and I believe Alex trusts in his content 100%. I'm not sure if that's better or worse.
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Reply #58 on: June 29, 2012, 07:40:23 am
Alex, basically your answer is then to my questions: I WILL PUSH MYSELF MORE. Plans not working? Push myself more. Things not panning out? Push myself more. No response by the public? Push myself more. Homeless? Push myself more? Dead? I guess I'll rest then.

I have nothing else to ask you. For the record I think if you're serious about all this and you'll persue this path it'll end very badly for you. But it's your life and you can do with it whatever you want. I have to extricate myself from this conversation, I cannot worry about you any more given that you see no problem with what you're doing. I hope I'm wrong about all this and there's a blind spot in *my* perception that's not allowing me to see the joke that apparently Piledriver does. I see this as deadly serious, but perhaps that's my own problem. Good luck.

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Reply #60 on: June 29, 2012, 12:08:17 pm
Yes of course I fear death. I want to live! I do not believe you that you do not fear death, you're either lying to me, or lying to yourself. Death is easy to talk circles around when it's just a theory, but it'll be different when it's real. I think you're deluding yourself and that delusion will break down when you experience the pains of life escaping, or earlier. Try starvation on for size for a few weeks and see if that makes you reassess your spiritual-to-physical priorities. As I said, good luck!

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