novelty would you rather nothing there?
and no this is his edit from an earlier stage
and yeah the upper arm if you look at my older versions (right) where defined, I was just trying to push it into shadow, good point on the hips, I continued directly on from the womanised mess around and overlooked it, thanks for pointing it out
the neck has been shifting back and forth one left (what you redid in your edit) he looks more hunched, I might need to go one pixel up, still a way to go before I'm happy with it,
thanks for the critique and ed points taken especially the upper legs
