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Offline Teh_jules

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Apple

on: December 21, 2011, 11:20:04 am
I just wasted 2 hours making this F'N apple and its not even decent. Pixel artists
makes pixel art look easy and fun but this really freaking hard and frustrating!  >:(
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Re: Apple

Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 04:03:58 pm
Welcome to the grime n' grind stage, that comes from after you've decided that you want to become good at something, maybe even great. But you realize that this will not be given to you for free, like any other great skill or talent, it comes at a price of personal sacrifice. You will have to earn it through dedicated effort. Hours upon hours of hard work chiseling away at that rough mineral because you know in your heart of hearts it will one day be a polished diamond.

The only way to justify the time and effort is if you think it's worth it. And that's a personal decision you must make.

So... this apple that you have crafted is a great start. I could spend hours making an apple.

What can we learn from it?
How many colors did you use?
Is that really a bite? There are no teethmarks... try adding some.

We'll continue this conversation on msn.

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Re: Apple

Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 04:25:52 pm
*sigh* just the 2 hours i spent on this made me sick and you want me to dedicated more effort!?

-Jaggie lines
-5 colors
just the little thing on the top was hard to make and now you want
real teeth marks?

Not that i'm lazy and complaining its just that this is really!!!! hard

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Re: Apple

Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 05:42:51 pm
Hello! I made you a quick edit.



First of all, you should work smaller. This way you can concentrate more on the pixels themselves, and experiment with Anti-aliasing. If you outline things, try to outline everything, and adjust the color of the outline according to the lighting. This is because you don't have so much space, at a larger resolution a black outline would work, but as things get smaller, colors bleed together, so the outline becomes a median of the interior and outline color.

Try not to work on a white background, work on something neutral that won't affect how your eyes perceive the piece. Extremely dark, light, or saturated palettes will not blend will with a majority of colors and can be an eyesore. Grays work with most everything.

Don't be too worried about color count, at this point if you need a color and you don't have it, feel free to add it. When you get more experienced you will be able to make more manageable palettes that can be applied to many situations.

Don't get discouraged! Just work smaller. c: Perhaps an object is a bit too much to take in at this point? You could try to learn how to apply anti-aliasing to simple shapes and go from there! Work on your traditional art skills along side pixel art, pixel art is only one half of the battle, and once you get it down it's a breeze, the part many struggle with is the actual drawing portion. If you can't draw well, you won't have anything to apply good pixel skills towards.

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Re: Apple

Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 06:48:27 pm
Nice job dude! ten times better than mines =/

(Sorry if i sound negative but its just the way i am)

I barely understood what said said but i don't even know how to
use AA i just know its use to make things smoother and if i did
a little apple in that should normally take maximum 10 mins in 2h
its already staring out bad :'(

"Don't get discouraged!" easy to say but hard to do!!
and if i must know how to draw then its useless to
continue!

Its whole thing is really discouraging sorry if it sounds like
i'm complaining.

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Re: Apple

Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 07:00:02 pm
don't get discouraged already! you just started!
hey, how about you try to look at some tutorials? deviantart.com has some good ones.
then just keep trying, experimenting and if you need any more advice you can post again here :]

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Re: Apple

Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 09:12:19 pm
First that apple was decent.  Second, quit whin...jk  No, but I suggest saving that apple edit, studying it and try to create your own.
Maybe put it right next to it even.  That's how I learn.  try to recreate it exactly or something similar.  Will give you the feel for creating, plus it's a good one to start with due to the size.
For this, a long time have I waited.

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Re: Apple

Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 09:41:58 pm
Yeah, it took me a year or two before I could make anything passable (I was pretty young, but still). Just keep practicing. That's all there is to it.

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Re: Apple

Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 10:12:08 pm
YOSH!

Now add a green worm to your apple, coming out of the bitten part and wrapping around the apple!

You got this!

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Re: Apple

Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 11:04:17 pm
I think that at the moment adding more to the image at this point is counter productive. Perhaps he should refine what he has first before adding more content? For example, making the bite taken out of the apple reflect the shape of the apple more would be a great step forward and we can help him towards that end. And then jules will probably have learned enough to make the worm in much less time and effort than if he attempted now.

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Re: Apple

Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 11:23:55 am
Ok so i did a edit referencing from Atnas's
so i don't feel as if i did it myself but still not happy
« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 11:26:41 am by Teh_jules »

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Re: Apple

Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 11:56:38 am
Darkest shade of red appears lost in the middle shade (contrast too low). The twig colour also kinda fails to stand out from the red or the grey background.

Sticking to shading on the apple skin only, and nowhere else? That's okay as a choice, but it looks inconsistent when the skin has 4 (though effectively 3...) shades and the rest just 1.

You could put that pink to use to AA between the skin and flesh (Like in Atnas's).

At least it looks like an apple already. Atnas, your apple looks like a plum or a cherry!
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Re: Apple

Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 03:04:55 pm
I don't understand anything after you said "(contrast too low)" and
as i said before i don't know how to use AA

( This is when you know your bad, when you get alot of Crit on a small apple) u_u

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Re: Apple

Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 03:22:14 pm
AA = anti-aliasing. It's when you smooth a harsh edge between two colours by placing a third colour in strategic places. See Atnas's apple: the dots and lines of middle red at the edge where the two large areas of light and dark shades of red meet.

This tutorial is relevant and worth reading. But skip the section on 'sel-out'.

Also, it's totally ok to have outlines.
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Re: Apple

Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 09:14:10 pm

Didn't seem to smooth out anything since i'm doing it wrong!
>_>

P.s seem as if we i mean i'm moving moving at a slow rate
not that i can do better nor know and mastered all the basics
i just want to be good already lol i'm so foolish =/
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 09:17:13 pm by Teh_jules »

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Re: Apple

Reply #15 on: December 24, 2011, 03:53:10 am
Sorry my edits not that good. But I tried messing around with it and this is what I came up with

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Re: Apple

Reply #16 on: December 25, 2011, 04:02:41 am
Didn't seem to smooth out anything since i'm doing it wrong!

Knowing is half the battle. :blind:

AA is meant to use an in-between color (or colors) to blend the edges where colors meet. Bright red certainly does not fall between dark/medium red and gray. Try grayish red. :y:

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Re: Apple

Reply #17 on: December 25, 2011, 07:40:51 am
To be honest, e4r's edit doesn't add anything to it. :) But! Your newer examples are definitely improving - by using a grayish red, as said before, it will be almost right! ;D To get the AA better, just play with it a bit and see what works!

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Re: Apple

Reply #18 on: December 25, 2011, 12:37:35 pm
So if i understand, the AA colors has to match the background and the
line art (the line that covers the pixel art i don't know whats its name)
color one lighter and darker?

Edit*
p.s The patience is killing!
« Last Edit: December 25, 2011, 03:31:44 pm by Teh_jules »

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Re: Apple

Reply #19 on: December 26, 2011, 04:16:27 am
To be honest, e4r's edit doesn't add anything to it. :) But! Your newer examples are definitely improving - by using a grayish red, as said before, it will be almost right! ;D To get the AA better, just play with it a bit and see what works!

Yeah I didn't know he wanted anything to add. So I just messed with the colors made the shadow side of the apple more dark and tried defining it more, but I don't think i worked out like I planned haha, Makes it look more rounded to me, but that could just be me.