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[WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

on: July 18, 2011, 12:06:36 pm
Hi,

Need some C&C.

I'am still working on my RPG for PSP, and can't find what's wrong in my sprites casting skill animation :



Thanks

(by the way if some of you wants to help with the game, we are making partnership with digital coproductions)
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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 12:46:03 pm
Did you use layers and transperancy to do the light glow?

That arm upward movement looks alot like he's about to bitchslap someone, arm fully extended and hand flipping up like that. What does his idle animation look like (some of his bodyparts twitch like he's convulsing and i'm wondering if that's the transition from the idle, right now it doesn't make alot of sense with the wild arm movment)?

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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 12:53:46 pm
I used a layer with a screen effect to do the lightning which looks good for me.

About the bitchslapping stuff, i get it, but i don't see how i could avoid this? Any idea?   and for the legs i made minors modification so that the motion can be read and all the body (exceptthe head perhaps though i animated hairs)
 
the first 2 frames arn't from the idle animation, they are part of this skill casting animation.
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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 01:05:27 pm
For the purpose of this board it's definatly not pixelart though, and will probably get a hit for that. Though it understand why you chose to do it as it's faster and easier that way (the look is debatable :P).

I meant are they part of the transition from idle to skill casting. I mean his idle isn't likly to be sorta psudo crouched like that, so where's him going from standing/whatever and getting into position for this spell? Go stand infront of a mirror then watch yourself as you throw an arm out to send out a plasma bolt. Hell find a curtain rod or something to hold in the other hand to imitate that longsword he has. Differant people will have a differant way of throwing out their arm and that will convey some of the character's personality in that movement. If his idle is standing with his sword ready, then the movement he makes will be totally differant then if it's in his hand to his side or whatever. Why i wanted to see the idle, so i know what kind of motion you really should be going for. :)

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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 01:23:17 pm
Sorry for the use of layers, i really thought i was doing pixel art  :(

if you have idea to improve the lighting effect i would be glad to know how.


the 2 first frame are transition from idle to skill cast, i choose to move legs because the char need to have a good grab of the floor with his feet.
when i do throw my arm i can do soemthing near from what the char do naturally. But i understand that's not the case for all people and that it may seem strange.
Perhaps if instead of opening his arm he close it so that the skill come out of a punch would make it more 'manly' ?
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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 06:42:07 pm
It feels the transition to whatever his normal battle ready stance is and his casting stance is rather weak. Theres some obvious motions in the legs but the motion doesnt seem/feel like it has any use, other than to just say that something about him is moving. It seems like shifting his weight would be a more effective subtle motion vs spreading the feet ever so slightly more than they already are.

I dont mind the 'non-pixeled' effects at all, however the motion blur effect that youre currently using for your casting arm is relatively weak. If something were to blur out like that because it was moving really fast, id expect to see that blur happen at the starting position, not mid way through, and then barely catch a glimpse of it again before it settled to its final position. I believe there are far more effective 'speed' animation effects you could use on the arm that would be much cooler and more convincing. Now that i think about it, why blur it at all? the motion to move your arm up shouldnt require any great effort that a normal smooth animation couldnt provide.

maybe showing the other stances might help us help you out a bit.

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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 11:14:18 pm
Thanks for the tips .

I followed your suggestion and made some improvements :

- added a thumb for the hand to look less bitchy.
- removed the motion blur effect and did a pixel art motion blur on the begining of the motion like suggested.
- more lightining effect with more contrast





this is the starting stance :

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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 11:57:49 pm
The head/torso still aren't moving at all, even if the limbs are, and I find that a bit odd. :huh: You may need more of a switching of poses to make the animation more dynamic.

Also, his sword's barely moving or showing any indication of weight even though he just let go of it with one of his hands.
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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 04:11:14 am
What exactly is your process for developing animations? Do you keyframe the movement? Do you use any kind of simple skeleton? Or do you work step by step through the motion from one frame to the next?

What it appears to be is the latter, as this often leads to very reluctant movements in the animation, with only small parts of the sprite being modified. You need to keyframe the entire figure moving through the motion from strongest stance to strongest stance, focusing on the shifting of weight/support through the figure (and in this case also the sword).

You can keyframe with a simple silhouette (can help with volumes), a very rough block in (I find this better to do after one of the other two), or a skeleton (helps maintain proportion and mechanics of the figure in motion).

Try thinking of the motion in terms of the key structural points on the figure: the feet, pelvis, spine and head. How does the pelvis move over the space that the feet bound? Is the head above the pelvis or not? How does this affect the spine? Basically, "is the figure in balance, or not?" If they are not, they will need to come to a point of balance by the end of the animation.

But to iterate, do not do this process frame by frame, keyframe it from major stance to major stance, then tween each of those, then tween those, etc until you are happy with the level of smoothness you have.

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Re: [WIP] RPG Casting Skill animation

Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 10:37:33 am
Thanks for your advices.
But unfotunaltely, the fact that i'am not a good drawer and i'am not good at proportion lead me to hours of work for the basic idle stance, and as i don't have enough time to "learn" the very good process that you talk about, i'am bound to keep on editing frame per frame which is not a good solution to have a smooth and dynamic motion.

Anyway, posting here helped me a lot since the motion is way better from the start (even if it's still not good pixel art which i must admit)

As soon as i finish this project i will do something to learn how to pixel quickly with redrawing the whole body each frame.

Thanks
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