AuthorTopic: GR#045 - Three Girls (Nudity) - Anatomy, Perspective  (Read 15501 times)

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Hello there. This is my first time here, hope you can help me  :)

I'm stuck with the GB, I tried a couple of things, but I just can't make anything worth to continue.
I'm looking for someone who could bring me ideas, or even make a harsh background so I can use to move on.


This is what I got till now:



Thanks guys!


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« Last Edit: March 23, 2011, 05:05:53 pm by JinnDEvil »

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 03:43:23 am
hmm
that seems sorta like an artist-decision. depends on your goal, I dunno what general setting you envisioned, what your direction is, so I don't really know where these native american girls are supposed to be. I typically imagine the Great Plains when I see that general variety of native american (headdress etc). so you could do large, flat prairies with grazing buffalo. or throw some teepees in behind them. looks kinda like they're at a dry spring right now, the rocks also remind me of midwest pueblo-dwelling indians, so you could possibly take it in that direction (though these do look like plains indians).

a few ideas from google

In the end though, it's a creative decision- so where do you want to take the piece?

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 03:54:41 am
Thank you, Cure.

Some friend told me about a waterfall, and I though it would fit well..
Would you mind to take a look and tell what are you thinking?



And btw, those are supposed to be brazilian indians, so, no prairies, buffalos and no teepees.

It's more like this: http://www.google.com.br/images?um=1&hl=pt-br&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=834&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=brazilian+indian&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 04:07:37 am
How odd that you'd fully render the foreground figures, then transplant them into a scene. You'll have to make a conscious effort to avoid a piecemealed look here. Your scene will now have to folow their lighting, perspective, etc.

Reclining figure's foreshortened leg really bugs me; a little rough-looking. Lower calf area too small.
Standing figure's right leg's thigh is flabby, and lower leg is too skinny. Try giving her some calf definition bulging up on our left side, and twist her foot on the rock inward (towards the waterfall). You're trying to achieve flirty postures. It takes very subtle body language.

Your canvas is a little uncomfortable. I'm thinking horizontal would work better, that is if your canvas size isn't locked in by some restrictions or purpose for this.

Brazillian indians? Isn't the bg concept obvious then? A lush rain forest. Lots of vegetation. Put the Brazillian Kardashian sisters in a clearing, surrounded by a beautiful scenic rain forest. End of storeh!

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 04:13:28 am
I respect your smart words, Mathias. But it would be better to me to understand if you show an edit...

I'm not a good english understander (shame on me), I tried to traduce your critics, but it lost a lot of the sense...
But thank you, anyway, I'll try to polish the legs somehow.


Anyway, here's another WIP:



And another:
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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 06:19:29 am
the area where the standing indian's foot collides with the reclining indian creates tension, I'd consider moving the reclining indian. give the figures a little space to breathe.

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 06:32:32 am
Is it better, cure?

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 09:34:05 am
Every element of this picture is fine as far as pixel art goes.

But it's not researched.

I think you need to do more work *before* you start to draw.

You need to structure a scene. Learn about construction and focus points. Not just draw some people and then draw a background, some rocks, a waterfall.

Waterfalls do not create tap water droplets, the water falls from so high up they create mist.

Rocks near waterfalls are licked smooth by the falling water, they're not these nice - but invented angular rocks that you drew.

On the human level, why are three indian girls flashing the viewer. Neither of the three poses seems at all comfortable, they look like three separated pin-ups, battling for the attention of the viewer. If you wanted to draw girls that are just lounging around in the sun, you should have referenced more relaxed posture.

This art suffers from what a lot of your art as I've seen it suffers from: you draw, but you don't consider the implications of what you're drawing first. Pixel art is a fun medium because you can do something fast and it can look finished, but it doesn't mean everything should be done fast. Especially preliminary studies before a single pixel is placed.

Be honest to yourself: do you start your image by opening a blank canvas, looking at a picture and then placing the first pixel somewhere? You might want to reconsider this approach.

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 03:01:01 pm
First things first, Helm.

I'm not a good background maker, it's a fact. I would not make a first sketch because I would not know what to do. I don't really know how these things work for sure.
I'm using this piece to get, somehow, better with BGs. If I'm not, sorry. But I'll keep on anyway.

Maybe in my next I would be able to make a sketch, but now it would not benefit me. honestly.


All I can do is sprites, I'm trying to get better with other things, but I'm taking slow steps. Hope you understand.

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Re: Stuck with BG (18+ nudity)

Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 03:53:26 pm
You should start with learning the basics (focal points, sketches etc) BEFORE learning how to draw, it's the smaller parts that make a good picture such as composition and use of focal point.