What's with the double pixel hate?

[LarryPixel]

Just came around these parts not too long ago.  Seems many people don't really like double pixels.  I prefer to work in sizes 3x to 8x.  It only seems to make sense to make pixel art more...pixeled.  So why all the dislike and apology for it on pixelation?

[Helm]

Hi.

Show me the threads where this hate is going on, if you will.

[LarryPixel]

I'm using the term 'hate' very loosely. 

I found one instance of what I mean.
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=11167.0
Still searching for the other 2 I came across a couple days ago.  The other 2 were borderline apologetic for posting 2x images.  I naturally assumed that was something frowned upon around here.

My style (http://LarryPixel.Tumblr.com) is far beyond 2x.  Was just concerned with my posting here being pointless.

[ptoing]

OK, now I am confused. Nobody in that thread you linked mentioned anything about the double pixels being rubbish or anything.

If anything it is a bit pointless to post doublepixel stuff here since we have a zoom function and stuff is easier to edit in it's original form and people who want to edit it for critique do not have to go and scale it down first and whatnot. You can always write something like "This is best looked at at 4x" or something.

[LarryPixel]

My apology for the confusion.  Ha.  Now I'm really trying to find those two other topics.  Bare with me here.

[LarryPixel]

Ok.  So I feel like a goof because I can no longer find those topics, even through search.  Everyone go back about your business 

EDIT:  Found another.  http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=11170.0

[NaCl]

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=11170.0

Here is one of them.

[Kren]

; _ ; I must say I am really upset to come here post something and get people giving me some bad comments only due to it being x2... . I was expecting some great c+c I know x2 is not the best to do, but I even mentioned it being x2 due to the original image being x2.

[LarryPixel]

; _ ; I must say I am really upset to come here post something and get people giving me some bad comments only due to it being x2... . I was expecting some great c+c I know x2 is not the best to do, but I even mentioned it being x2 due to the original image being x2.

Don't apologize or take any offense.  If an image is meant to be seen 2x, 3x or 16x, then it should be posted in that size and not left up to the user to resize it.  You're creating art and have the ability to have it displayed in any way you want.

NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR ART!  EVER!

[Lizzrd]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't mean that 2x pixels are bad, because thye are not, they are actually quite good.

When you post you can just add something like "Best viewed in 2x pixels" or something like that.
This IS after all a forum for getting comments and critique on your art, not a museum for it. (It's more of a warehouse actually.)

[Kren]

LarryPixel I wasn't trying to apologize ;P.


@Lizzrd: you mention giving critique yet your post didn't contained any crtitique. >_>.

[.TakaM]

Don't apologize or take any offense.  If an image is meant to be seen 2x, 3x or 16x, then it should be posted in that size and not left up to the user to resize it.  You're creating art and have the ability to have it displayed in any way you want.

NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR ART!  EVER!

Is it really part of your art though?
It's just a courtesy thing to post things at 1:1 so we can easily view them at the appropriate zooms and offer criticism easier.

[LarryPixel]

Is it really part of your art though?
It's just a courtesy thing to post things at 1:1 so we can easily view them at the appropriate zooms and offer criticism easier.

I disagree.  (To shamelessly self-promote,) take a look at my stuff at http://LarryPixel.Tumblr.com
I don't think my pieces look as good at 1x pixel size.  I conciously designed them to be a whole lot bigger.
It's more than a simple aesthetic choice.  I want the viewer to see each pixel.

[.TakaM]

1:1 is the pixels natural form though. A zoom function is definitely necessary for the process and inspection but I can't help but feel a piece is missing out by being designed as 200%/etc.

I'm just speaking for myself here but I don't think I ever make pixel art with anything other than 1:1 in mind, my point is that we all think about this differently and it's important to keep that in mind when presenting so you can get a variety of advice from people who will look at things from a different perspective.

[Helm]

The link you're promoting is dead, LarryPixel.

And although Lizzrd should not have posted that one-liner without any critique, I do not see any hate for big pixels.

[LarryPixel]

The link you're promoting is dead, LarryPixel.

Not for me.  Weird.

[Cow]

It's courteous to post things in 1x as it makes things (slightly) easier to edit, though most people here do not use neolythic pixel tools.

[LarryPixel]

It's courteous to post things in 1x as it makes things (slightly) easier to edit, though most people here do not use neolythic pixel tools.

Well, that makes a lot of sense.  That's the best explanation I've heard so far.

[Dusty]

Just post the image and say what the "recommended" resolution is. We all probably end up zooming in ALL images anyways. It's not really hate or anything like that, just us saying "no need to zoom in, we have the ability to do that automatically" because a lot of newcomers probably don't even know about it.

[9_6]

If you post an upscaled version you take the easy route of viewing the image at 1:1 away since we can only zoom in here, not out.
On top of that, it's pretty redundant anyway because of the already mentioned zoom feature on this site.

[.TakaM]

we can only zoom in here, not out.

Just in case you or anyone didn't know, you can zoom out (although not past the point of the original image) by holding the ctrl key. (alt reverts it to the original size)

[Rydin]

neolythic pixel tools

 

[alspal]

I hate upscaled pixel sizes in games, it looks awful... For studying the pixels it's obviously handy to upscale though.

[Lizzrd]

I disagree quite a lot with you there.

[.TakaM]

I don't mean to be a jerk here, but just saying you disagree a lot with someone is a worthless statement that isn't going to add anything to this conversation.
That said, I couldn't agree with him more.
I loathe upscaled pixelart in games, just the fact only half of a "pixel" can be on screen shows a lack of respect for the medium in my opinion. I think if you want something to be twice as big, then take proper advantage of the pixels and make it twice as detailed.
Again, know I'm only speaking for myself here but there is a mathematical beauty to pixelart and I think it's a waste to not embrace it.


But philosophy aside, these forums have a zoom function built in and I think it's completely unnecessary and inconsiderate to submit a piece in anything other than 1:1.

[Lizzrd]

Low res sort of has it's own little touch.
Adds for tiny fun bits

[9_6]

I hate upscaled pixel sizes in games, it looks awful... For studying the pixels it's obviously handy to upscale though.

What.
How would you even be able to play something like cave story if it wasn't scaled up?

[Kasumi]

How would you even be able to play something like cave story if it wasn't scaled up?

With ease?

I played through Cave Story unscaled just fine on my PSP. I'm sure not many will complain about it being unscaled on DSiware.

I would say the problem is Cave Story exists in a world where the (PC) screens you view it on have such high resolution that you may WANT it to be bigger to take up more screen space, but it certainly doesn't need to be. It works just fine on consoles that match its resolution.

[Dusty]

I don't mind viewing anything resized as long as it's not filtered and the ratio is kept 1:1. I often play pixel games/emulators on my PC scaled up.

[McClaneGames]

I'm fine with upscaled pixel art so long as it's at a multiple of 100%.  Widepixels are fine, too, though I prefer 1:1 as opposed to 2:1.