Ryona showed me this topic on #Pixelation.

- While I agree with you on the issues of the outfit, Helm, I disagree on the objectification due to the gender of the creator. Women contribute just as much to this "material" these days as any man does; it's because of such cyclic contributions that nothing much is done about it. "After all, if both sides do it, then what's the problem, right?" The Sex-comedy Ranma 1/2, and some of the questionable material from InuYasha and Urusei Yatsura are all the work of Rumiko Takahashi, a woman, as a simple example. And as you may or may not know, material such as the above is rampant in Ranma.

- Now, anyone who remembers me from way back when on the old Pixelation / GDR forums knows I'm not going to sing praise. However I'm not going to insert a "her breasts are too big" comment either, because that is [at least from what we discussed] merely the point of the character, a sex object. Far be it for me to decree that sex objects cannot exist. And as far as I'm concerned as long as you label it as such and don't try to pretend it's something else, I'm not going to bother you.

- However, I do have a problem with the "kunoichi" bit. She is not a kunoichi. Kunoichi, by all definitions I have seen, were specially-trained women who assassinated their targets using sex, subtlety, and manipulation. The problem here is that people are drawn in by the popularized "exchange" of "Female ninja" with "kunoichi" that is popularized with such things as Dead or Alive and Naruto. In general, however, they are not equivalent. The age in which kunoichi were prominent was an age before women were considered [nearly] equal to men (we haven't reached that age yet even today). In a direct confrontation it would be highly improbably the woman would win, particularly these women, because they were very attractive, and as has been proven in many cases, strong women are not attractive (because strength requires muscle; yes, martial arts does work with technique , but with 0 muscle technique is worthless).
- As the definitions state, kunoichi would kill using poisons and concealed weapons, weapons that were often disguised as feminine objects such as purses, geisha parasols, and sex toys; since they could get close to their targets by their jobs, as tea servants and sex slaves.
- Therefore, a woman parading around in a bathing suit with a katana is not a kunoichi, because her weapon is way too obvious and no one's going to give her alpha strike advantage regardless of how much she's showing. Setsuka from Soul Calibur III can potentially be identified as one because her weapon is always hidden (even with her fighting style, which involves quick dashes and stabs and then re-concealing her weapon), but neither Taki nor Kasumi are. Now, while making a female ninja as sexed up as you want to is your perogative, to state "because kunoichi killed by using sex appeal and that's why I made her that way" isn't valid to anyone who knows a bit of history on the subject. Now, if her weapon was hidden in a feminine object, I'd be more inclined to buy into it, but her clothing implies too much "I'm a combatant," whereas... if you went more the "Red Ninja" route (as much as I hate that game), it'd be easier to write off as such.
- That is not to say that "female ninja" of the "ninja" type did not exist. However, if you check, those versions were as much covered as their male counterparts. Those were not the kind that employed sex outright though. So basically, there isn't much historically that backs up such a character, as those documents seem to suggest that they became one or the other categorically, and not that there were too many Kasumis running around.

- That said, you do have a lot of talent.

That iff, when its moderated well, there must always be an Operator, or half-operater around when there's activity in the channel.

- There's a moderator around whenever humanly possible.