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Pixel Art / Re: Self introduction / Palette woes
« on: November 01, 2019, 04:22:47 pm »
Hello, welcome aboard :)

I believe the reason you felt easier to reach a result you liked with the 8 colors palette, is because it is in fact composed of a single color ramp (almost like a monochrome, but color shifted along the gradient).

So instead of the confusion of coloring stuff to match the hues of real life materials, while also adding ambience and artistic intent into the color choice (which seems to be overwhelming you), you are just defining the appearence of the scene based on the brightness level (value) of each element, which is a more fundamental way to communicate shape, ensure readability and balance things out.

I think it is a good start to exercise values, so the 8 colors palette is nice choice for that. For instance, notice you have much darker walls on this palette than in the other multi colored palettes. Why is that ? ;) Did you picked that darker shade just because it was closer to the brow is imagined the wall to have? Or did you felt the wall should be that dark?

It might also be a consequence of drawing with one palette and then changing to another. When you start working with a certain set of colors, you are likely to color-block the scene with hues that make sense (green for grass, red for bricks) but are also value-blocking it for readability, that red is not only a hue, it is also a brightness level for that element. Since the values of another palette might completely different across the colors, simply recoloring the finished scene based of near hues might lead to undesirable contrast.

You should consider what each element is for while picking shades that go with it. For example, floors will usually have characters waking over them, and the level of contrast between the characters (or their outline if there is one) and the floor is what should guide you on how darker or brighter it should be to enhance readability.

As for the general color choice, you seem fully aware that no one can tell which coloring you should go for, since you are not asking a definite question regarding that. Regardless of the ambience you try to achieve, what you should watch is (again) to ensure enough contrast between meaningful elements, (walkable floors vs collision enabled walls), while avoiding too much dark details repeated over on large surfaces causing visual noise that makes it harder to read anything over that

2D & 3D / Re: Steel Empire / Cyber empires (1991) voxels
« on: August 16, 2019, 07:03:06 pm »
In magickavoxel you could enhance the materials to achieve metallic surfaces. I bet they would also look cool rendered with marching cubes. Maybe they could work in sprite-stack technique, but it would best to increase contrast for readability.

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:43:02 pm »
Tuesday Evening Dralthi update - I did lower the # of colors on the bright end of the pipe ramp, and went with an even subtler brown shade to the shadows, added a ton of detail. Definitely getting closer to something that looks good!


Definitely digging the brown shading/ambiance on those chrome parts. On the gameplay side of things, I understand you are being purist and remaking the cockpit with the original shape, but I wonder if a modern entry in the franchise wouldn't reduce the amount of screen area taken by cockpit to increase the view of the actual gameplay content in the center. But this is not critique, just rambling.

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: August 02, 2019, 04:31:51 am »
Loving everything  ;D. Regarding the Dralthi metallic tubes on the left side, perhaps make the ramp have a few less steps? Feels a little too gradienty and rendered compared to the first cockpit, although the pixelated shape of the white cluster on the blinn-like highlight is quite cute. The ones on the right side feel more handmade. As a whole the Dralthi one seem to have a higher color count compared to the first one. Anyway the model is great :y:

As for the galaxies (particle generated?), the original ones look more like handmade pixel art on a quick glance from the gifs, while the new ones feel more like index-painting, but I also prefer the more sober coloring. Nitpicking as I am, I would ditch the lower bottom one, it gives a lowres/blurred vibe. The green, pink and neutral ones are neat.

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: July 17, 2019, 01:23:19 am »
Amazing tutorial, thank you Howard :y:
So, the basics are: Build a mesh, duplicate that mesh, push it out a bit, turn it inside out, and make it slightly darker than the original.
I have been using this as a way to have cheap outlines on meshes, interesting that it can be also be used in renderings with this level of quality.

I am not a fan of dithering in general, except when it implies texture, but here it does help selling the pixel-art-ish style of the renders.

Are all materials such as the green painted metal and the rest of the cockpit being rendered with gradient ramps as well? I was under the impression that the color ramps were caused by a LUT posterization on the whole screen, rather than a mapped gradients per material. I wonder if the rote would be too different to achieve something similar to your results in blender.

Pixel Art / Re: [WIP][Feedback] Submarine interior - Base
« on: July 14, 2019, 12:39:27 pm »
On instinct I would aggressively metal-highlight the edges of orange parts and the metal fence, although it might be a bit hard on the fence given how thin it is. Then probably na pass on smudges and wear like pistachio mentioned. I like the geometry, the hues and the values  :y: maybe pull the shadows/indirect light globally towards the blue of the background behind the glass, it would make darker areas bluer I think .

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: July 12, 2019, 01:45:43 am »
It surely makes sense to have fun :) and any step by step on the process of doing this would elevate this thread to a treasure-chest-level art reference :D

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: July 10, 2019, 03:39:15 pm »
Cool, so it is just quite low Fov.

I would add to eishiya's list that the ship's green "windshield" (don't know the equivalent term for airplanes and ships) have gradients that look a little too smooth for typical pixel art, and it seems to be skipping the dithering part of the style (intended?).

Anyway, this looks really great :). If I were you, I would be tempted to rebrand this as a game without WC IP/designs after you are finished having fun :P. Also, do you have any plans on commercially releasing your pixel-art rendering tech as a shader?

2D & 3D / Re: Wing Commander Pixel Art-y Unity Remake
« on: July 09, 2019, 02:32:21 am »
Thanks, pistachio! The UI and cockpit...are renders. No painting.
They are what the what? Not even some manual adjustments on the pixelized result at all? :o
Frankly I am shocked. I could guess that on the ships, given the tech displayed on the pixel rendering thread, but not on the cockpit/UI, no.

Also, are the ship's sprites rendered with a parallel camera or a perspective one? I guess parallel, and you zoom by simple scaling, disregarding perspective to cut on the number of sprites? Awesome stuff.

Pixel Art / Re: [Feedback] Enemies, Drone and enviroment
« on: July 02, 2019, 08:22:31 pm »
Lovely stuff, i like that it is a bit like master blaster and you have separate sprites for the vehicle and the pilot. The only two things I can think of is:
1- I am not so found of non outlined sprites, but as you are having dark backgrounds this is probably the best choice.
2- perhaps you could unify the tint of the big objects shading towards the dark blue/teal of the background for more ambience (like you are already doing with the green paint parts). Going more realistically underwater than that would mean filtering the red element of colors, and I don't think that would improve anything, as the lively oranges and red mid tones are looking nice, so maybe just making the shading globally colder would be a good compromise.

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