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Pixel Art / Re: [WIP]The blobs
« on: June 06, 2007, 10:49:59 pm »
Perpective is better, yes  :y:

Id say the shading still needs to be adressed though, and for some reason, you now have added pixels in the "joints" of the outline.
The body needs to cast a shadow on his left leg also.

Archived Activities / Re: Smile 2007 - The Voting
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:57:23 pm »
Sorry for any mess, and disregard any input of mine.


Pixel Art / Re: [WIP] iso character
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:48:38 pm »
Hey man:

I think his right arm is too long compared to the other one, make his red/right arm longer and i would pull the shoulder a wee bit towards the torso.
Ill make an edit if you need me to.

I  like how you made those legs like petite/short-er stylized, i would dismiss the second version alltogether, the first is looking sexy  :y:.


Archived Activities / Re: Smile 2007 - The Voting
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:37:45 pm »
Can we keep on fighting for the remaining days though?

Pixel Art / Re: [WIP]The blobs
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:27:39 pm »
i dont get how how the legs and face are in a different perspective ???
i dont really like your color choice  :-[ i really like my choice of colors and perspective.

Hey man;

Hope this illustrates in a better way; check the big guys with the green arrow; they both have fixed perspective.
In one, you have the eyes that acomodate the legs perspective, and the other is the exact opossite (the sideview)

I was just proposing some alternatives on your colour choises, giving emphasis on the slight hue variation, wich as you can see, does make a piece more visually appealing, you can, however (and thats the point) check how its done and pick your own colours with hue variation.

The colours are indeed brigther, but thats not what im trying to show you, but the contrast between them; if you have 2 shades, and one is practically the same as the other, the shading wont be noticable, and speaking in pixel art terms, its a wasted colour.

Now, probably you dont like the changes that i made to your char, BUT, look at them, check the antialising that i applied, it makes the char rounder; check the little highlight done at the bottom, wich enriches the character, check the shadows, the little "bump/lip" that now the char has, all of this take it study it, and apply as you see fit in your own way.


Archived Activities / Re: Smile 2007 - The Voting
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:12:23 pm »
The community didn't choose the skin colors of this forum, or the banner, or the way it's structured. That's why the smileys are a bit more in the hands of the moderators than the userbase.

Did you make a challenge or activity that involved the comunity to create/choose the colours, banners or the way its structured? right...if you ask the participation of the community...then for christ sake take them in account. Like you said, if you ask for input/critique/whatever be prepared to receive it.

This is largely thankless, like most of the modrating duties I and others have been burdening themselves with for oh, the last 4 years or something?

I think everyone; or at least like i said previously, I acknowledge and apreciate the efforts...but come on, be realistic, what else do you want? a castle or a brand new tablet with a thank you note? You guys got the recognition on the labors you do in the minds of everyone that uses this forum.

So please relax and see where I'm coming from. You're kicking up a lot of dust over smileys of all things. Why does it disturb you that the modration has a stronger voice than the users when it comes to matters of aesthetics? Are you paying the server costs?

How come is it that if i post something, im exaggerating, agravated, histerical or whatever...while you guys could post while having an orgasm and are as calmed as rock.
Im as relaxed as i possibly could be, though... i could prolly smoke up a joint if that made you even happier Helm. This isnt about the little yellow faces man...get over it. It doesnt bother me that the administration gets to pick the aesthetics...but if you asked them, they are doing the work of creating, let them sure you can understand this isnt such a wacky idea.

The forum is used by the users, but it belongs to the administration. As such, the administration may change how it looks when it suits it. That it asks the userbase on input on things does not mean any different. People read the thread and decided to make smileys because they like making things, it was never implied that we'd use more than one set, and which set would be mostly up to the administration. In the end, only one set will be used (this time around, and that's a 'probably' there) so even if the userbase chose it, the rest of the hard work by the other people wouldn't be met with inclusion. But is it wasted work? It never is when one practises and becomes better.

How is it that you are missing the point so much... If your "job" is to create and manage the aesthetics of Pixelation (like you guys have with the banner, colours, etc), and you are forwarding that "job" to the users...then let them finish their job, you asked for input, receive it, that it... i ALSO from the start said, i wasnt saying DO this DO that, im saying what i think should be done, why are you attacking a simple opinion?.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't dictate the 'spirit of pixelation' to me, because it becomes rapidly insulting. You're not trying to understand the other point of view, you're just lashing out. Please calm down and try to consider alternate points of view on the subject. I've been here a long time and I'm not perverting the spirit of pixelation, I'm working quite hard, for nothing, to perserve it. So respect more, shout less.

Dictate? Jesus, im paraphrasing you! practically  quoting what you said... and if thats insulting to you, i can clearly see how a little word as "F*ck" shakes you up, so i wont bring up any other "bad" words.
Dont pull the "consider other points of view" (while of course im doing though) when you guys are telling us that basically "its your forum" and that "you couldnt care less" about what we do or dont do.

How, by lip service and then striking out the first second you seem to percieve a problem in your two days being around after a many years' worth of absence? This isn't very fair, not to mention calm and rational of you.

I dont know what lip service mean... but, i think that you are not striking against anyone, read my first post again, i merely expressed my opinion in a respectful manner... About my abscence you cant blame me (hahah actually you can), but i just wasnt around, im here now though, with good intentions and trying to do good.

Which position? That the forum will not look as the userbase wants it to look, but ultimately as the administration wants to? Yes on that one. That is my position.

Take the position of "I AM THE LAW", give the community the place it deserves...saying to the community "this is our forum and we do as we please" i think is not the right message to send.

Yes, please stop swearing, you can make your points clearly enough without.

Yeah, i know i can, i do that for a living, i just didnt realize you had the tolerance of a 5 year old catholic girl, in the way that a little F* word every 100 would impact you.

About killing Pixelation... hum all this internet drama about smileys will kill a community that has been around for years and years? In fact the forum has been the strongest it has ever been in many years right now, and I take a lot of pride personally for keeping the place as straight as I can and focused on artistic betterment. Some people might not agree with how things go, but a lot of people benefit and will continue to benefit. Smileys or no smileys. As long as people want to learn and want to help others with pixel art, Pixelation will be around.

Come on Helm...theres no need to ridiculize the situation...its not about the smileys themselves.

Also, on the old pixelation we did not even have smilies to begin with :P

Instant win of the argument, ill shut up now Ptoinger.  :P


Pixel Art / Re: Ice Rifle Sprites
« on: June 06, 2007, 06:26:08 pm »
Basically i think the biggest issue with this, is that you have used too much black on the inside of the gun making it too crowded and less legible, the lightsource seems a bit bizarre aswell.

I would make the highlights a bit more pronounced since we are dealing with metal here (i assume), i would probably make those thingies that hold the water/ice stick up a bit from above too (not sure if that makes sense)

Ill be happy to edit in case you didnt really understand what i say.


Archived Activities / Re: Smile 2007 - The Voting
« on: June 06, 2007, 06:19:53 pm »
I dont think the issue itself is of a particular relevance; it was mostly the fact of arbitrarialy excluding the comunity and the response offered.
I also dont think that the "i wont listen/dont care" attitude has been a common situation either, thats why the endevour of Helm and Pan striked me as odd.

Pixel Art / Re: My new website
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:34:37 pm »
Brilliant idea and execution, the "skip" key was an excellent inclusion;
I still preffer a more basic and sober, "just-show-me-the-gallery" kinda thing though, but its really unique.

Congrats, and great art in there too.


Archived Activities / Re: Smile 2007 - The Voting
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:27:52 pm »
I was writing a PM, but as i re-read your last post i felt it needed to be public, because; a) Is a public issue at hand, and b) i tought that my words were being taken too literally, maybe missunderstood, when all i was trying to say in the first place in a very respectful manner (read first post)  is that it didnt seem right to exclude the community like that, arbitrary at the very least.

I think the motives were clear;  basically that the users made practically all the smilies, that its the same user data base that construct and breathe life into pixelation as the very escence, they will be using it; and most basically than all of that, it would have been more fun.

Im confident in the matureness of the mods, that if i say "fuck", they wouldnt come jumping out the window crying, because theres nothing disturbingly wrong with that word, theres no reason to be so rigid and serious all the time.

And about the strict/hardass mask, well, thats how it feels when you read a response like Panda´s  with stuff like "i couldnt care less if you agree or whatever", thats not the response of someone that listens, thats a rigid/strict response....i dont see how you cant think the same.

But this, ticked me off man, and i say it in a very personal level towards you.

Just seems a bit stupid that 20 people could want one smiley but 5 mods want a different one....  We all have to use them (if we chose), why do mods have priority?

Because it's their forum, obviously.

I mean what kind of response is that? ...i was under the impression that there was a community thing going on.... If you dont value the users input, then fuck, make a personal myspace, and all you modders can play house all you want.
Thats not the original spirit of pixelation, this forum lives trough the comments and input of their users, of mutual help and learning, just like you have said it before; Pixelation is not Tsu, not Pep, and certainly not Helm and rest of the modders.

Do you guys have been a very important part on this? FUCK yeah, ill be the first to acknowledge, and recognize you guys for your labors.

So, it really strikes me ass odd, that YOU take that position.

My 2 cents, on something i feel had to be said, maybe not on the best manner like you guys said on my use of the F* word, and whatever, and if they are my last words here, so be long as you guys at least take this in consideration what i said...because eventually, this could end up killing this community, that believe it or not, i too have very fond memories of.

-Feron: Im sorry you feel that way, im not trying in any instance to attack the mods now, nor i have in my previous posts, rest confident however, that they will prolly let me know if i did something wrong. Its been a while since ive been here, when they threw me out of here last time, wasnt on the best conditions on my part, thats clear; but when i joined here, was with a clear intention of helping out people, just like i was helped in my start, and just like i helped while i was here.

And in the words of Forrest Gump; "thats all i have to say about that".


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