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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: dpixel on November 03, 2009, 04:36:15 pm

Title: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: dpixel on November 03, 2009, 04:36:15 pm
Hey guys,
Her left leg seems off to me and I'm not sure why.  This is kind of a new style for me.

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2q16jja.jpg)
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: EyeCraft on November 04, 2009, 06:42:58 am
I think its mainly to do with the line from the knee to the foot on the underside of the leg. Its got a protrusion below the knee. Try just making the line a straight 45 degree one. Eyes could come down a bit, face could use some AA to smooth out the harsh black. Fingers need to be a little longer, mainly her right pinky.

Purple shadow tone could be a little darker to increase contrast. Hair lacks shading. Otherwise coming along pretty well.
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Elk on November 04, 2009, 07:14:00 am
I'd go for a more dynamic pose...just doodled something up for you

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8264/newst.png)
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: dpixel on November 04, 2009, 06:14:15 pm
(http://i36.tinypic.com/j6o3d2.jpg)     (http://i38.tinypic.com/2q16jja.jpg)
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@EyeCraft - Thanks for the suggestions.  I tried to implement them as best I could.  The face still needs some work.  Hair too.  This dark crt keeps me from seeing the colors correctly.  Once I get off this one I can clean up the palette a bit more.  I also adjusted a few more things such as the stripe on the shorts, left shoe, hair band, shading on the face and left arm.  Anything else you see?

@Elk - That's a great doodle.  I guess I was going for a bit more cutsie here.  Thanks.                           
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: lollige on November 04, 2009, 08:43:16 pm
Dpixel, his doodle has nothing to do with the final cutyness. Cutyness often comes from very exaggerated poses! You could do what elk did , with some shorter legs and arms, and there you have a very cute character!
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Opacus on November 04, 2009, 08:49:04 pm
Can't say I agree with that.
Why would a cute little girl take on a dynamic pose like that? I can imagine her not being very good at all at the game, and that's she's just fooling around with the ball a bit.
I very much doubt an athletic pose would do this piece any good. It would only make it less cute.
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Elk on November 04, 2009, 09:42:05 pm
Can make a doodle of a clumsy chubby girl tomorrow 8D
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: crab2selout.png on November 05, 2009, 11:24:04 pm
You guys are failing to see the significance of Elk's reference pic. It doesn't matter that he used a normally proportioned person. It's the fact that he pushed the movement/action to it's extremes and streamlined the action that makes it such an effective pose.

Take the original poster's image, lose the ball, and look at it again. It's not a person kicking a ball, it's a girl walking(in midstride) and pointing at something off the canvas.
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Opacus on November 05, 2009, 11:47:32 pm
I think in turn you missunderstood my point :P.
I'm not saying Elk's pose isn't more streamlined and a more effective overal pose. Neither am I saying anything about the proportions. I'm saying that that pose doesn't fit the character.

Why would a harmless cute girl assume an athletic pose like that? Why would she even know how to take a shot like that? She's just a cute girl playing around with a ball, she's not supossed to look like she's kicking at a goal in a soccermatch.
(That's what it conveys to me, I assume this is what dpixel intended)
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: dpixel on November 06, 2009, 02:10:06 am
(http://i35.tinypic.com/neiy52.jpg)   (http://i38.tinypic.com/2zdoayo.jpg)

Here's an update on the hair and face.  I adjusted a skin tone as well.
I'm thinking more contrast on the clothing shading and eliminating all the black outlines..still keeping it fairly dark?  Kind of like the hair.

Actually I'm getting some ideas for Elks doodle.  I may start another thread.  :)

Why would a harmless cute girl assume an athletic pose like that?

Who said anything about harmless?   :lol:

But yeah, she's just supposed to be a cute little girl. 

Take the original poster's image, lose the ball, and look at it again. It's not a person kicking a ball, it's a girl walking(in midstride) and pointing at something off the canvas.

Good point.  I can see that. 
 
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: crab2selout.png on November 06, 2009, 07:28:05 am
I think in turn you missunderstood my point :P.
I'm not saying Elk's pose isn't more streamlined and a more effective overal pose. Neither am I saying anything about the proportions. I'm saying that that pose doesn't fit the character.

Why would a harmless cute girl assume an athletic pose like that? Why would she even know how to take a shot like that? She's just a cute girl playing around with a ball, she's not supposed to look like she's kicking at a goal in a soccermatch.
(That's what it conveys to me, I assume this is what dpixel intended)
I'm not saying he has to copy that exact pose. Just that it's a good example of an effective pose which I think is still an underlying problem with this piece. I tried doing a google for some good resources on making dynamic poses, but nothing really turned up.
http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/action/action1.htm
http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm#line_art The 4 pics here are a nice visual

I think the cutesyness has more to do with the proportions, anyways. Having a look at a Calvin & Hobbes strip shows an extreme pose can still be ridiculously cute.
http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=calvin%20hobbes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I don't mean to derail this thread so I won't go on. I just felt I could've been a bit more thorough/clearer with my post and backed up my statement better.
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Elk on November 06, 2009, 08:55:37 am
Moar like dis? (ignore hands)

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5732/moarlikedis.png)
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: EyeCraft on November 06, 2009, 09:47:38 am
Oh snap, nice sketch! The twist in the torso is good.

Still, it loses something of the character the original has. I think the charm comes from the fact it looks like she's almost going to make herself fall over backwards from the kick.
Title: Re: [WIP]Trouble with left leg
Post by: Elk on November 06, 2009, 10:00:45 am
possibly center the total weigth on the one leg standing positioning it more in the middle of the entire body