Pixelation
Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Ddawg on July 11, 2009, 02:16:13 pm
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Here's this guy:
(http://i27.tinypic.com/qxm0m1.jpg)
Bust-A-Move inspired me...
I think I might get rid of the wrinkles, and do something with the eyes. What could I do about the hood outline? :mean:
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(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee166/manlygaming/th_Hooded_Man.png)
Here is my edit, its to mainly show you how drapery works, how it would fit around the head, remember its also affected by gravity, you should use reference as well, it helps greatly: http://www.lrpstore.com/uploads/images_products_large/97.jpg
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee166/manlygaming/Hooded_Man_2.png?t=1247328982)
The wrinkles are going to be made depending on what its going over, in this case a head, by simplifying it into the basic shapes as seen here, it definitely helps you understand alot better how cloth going over it is going to act(Also helps in drawing anything period, simplification to complexity). Ehhh I'm not really good at this I was just trying to help a little bit, I hope I have helped if any.
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Your portraits are a bit difficult to critique because they are so tightly framed. Why don't you do one full body character and then we can get to business since that gives a better overlook of your skills and gives a better idea of what areas you should concentrate on practicing?
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bengoshia: Thanks, I'll work on the hood, but his face stays mostly the way it is.
JJ Naas: I'll work on the rest of his body, and thanks for pointing that out.
UPDATE:
(http://i29.tinypic.com/b3tyy0.png)
...man that sucks...What's wrong with him?
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CommanderD, it doesn't look like you did much at all, the fundamental flaws are still there, you gotta fix this man. Refer back to my post, try to use that reference I gave you more. Try and think in simple shapes, you also have to ask yourself, "Where is the light source coming from? How will it affect the objects in my picture?", this may be pixel art but the fundamentals of art still apply.
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If he lifted the other arm up as well it'd be much shorter (and thinner) than the arm that's already up.
Where does the face end and the hood begin?
Draw the body underneath first, then draw the robe on top of the body.
Or try to draw what you have here (tha face and the hands) without the robe and you'll see what's wrong.
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CommanderD, you're very young! From what you've posted here, it's apparent that you don't have a grasp of foundation skills. These foundation skills are extremely important if you wish to create any kind of art at all. For example, you say you like cartoons. But a cartoon style is merely a simplification of real life. You need to understand basic lighting, anatomy, form, mark making, etc, if you want to be any good at art.
Pixel art is just as much a medium as acrylics, markers, crayons, digital paints, or pencils are. The master painters would have been good at pixel art merely because they were good at art.
But pixel art is a somewhat slow and sometimes tedious medium. I would suggest working on your general art and drawing skills with pencil and paper, pen and paper, just something analog. Drawing on paper is much quicker and you're sure to learn much more from it. Because of your age, you haven't had as much time as the rest of the people on this forum have had to hone their art fundamentals, but it's a necessary step to get your art looking better.
I would recommend visiting www.conceptart.org and starting a sketchbook. It's a wonderful place for young artists because you'll be surrounded by professionals. I've seen young people start sketchbooks with very poor drawing skills progress to professional levels in a matter of years.
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I agree with Atnas, CommanderD, now is your chance to be at the level of a professional artist by the time you're my age, if you act now and begin taking it seriously, you'll have saved a lot of time. If theres one thing I regret its that I didn't start taking it seriously earlier on. At your age I wasn't really accepting of critiques, you just gotta stomach it and admit you're wrong sometimes so you can better yourself from it!
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Your holding out on Wrinkles, they're highly important on a piece of clothing. Bengoshia done a good example, follow the wrinkle and light source suplied.
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maybe he's not informed yet.
but he's young ??! come on, that's a positivity.
the only thing he needs to do right now, is just to be more sedate, atleast while he's being here. pixelation is a school ,right ?
or else, pixelation shows no mercy.
peace
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it's better to learn the basics before jumping headfirst into pixel art, a prerequisite, of sorts. This is the most helpful advice he can hear at this stage, and pixelation deals in help, not sugar-coating.
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CommanderD, you're very young! You need to understand basic lighting, anatomy, form, mark making, etc, if you want to be any good at art.
I may be young but I'm not 2 years old. And i've spent a lot of time over at pixel joint learning, and I know about shading and lighting and stuff.
Gez, help me to learn but you don't have to treat me like I don't know anything.
Everyone's saying that I give up on peices, and I do, but that's my life. If I like a peice, I'll keep working on it.
Now, if you guys are gonna help me, I'd like to improve this peice A WHOLE LOT. :crazy:
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Everyone's saying that I give up on peices, and I do, but that's my life. If I like a peice, I'll keep working on it.
Well there's your problem. You probably won't start really liking what you're making until you have a clear understanding of the fundamentals of drawing.
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...and I know about shading and lighting and stuff.
You might know a bit, but you do not have a clear understanding or firm grasp of the basics.
You are very young so you have the best chances to learn if you seriously give it a go. And becoming good at art is about practise and persistence (as with everything else).
Just doing some pixeldoodles wont get you any further either. If you want to become good at drawing then you have to draw. Take a pencil and paper as was previously stated and draw something every day, even if it is just half an hour or an hour. Draw something you see though pay attention to what you see closely and draw it. A glass, your parents, friends, fruit, whatever.
That over time will help you get better at art und consequently at pixelart. Please do not let this disencourage you, we all were bad at it at some point, it takes time.
Please understand that we can not help you a lot with little pixeldoodles to improve overall.
Pixelart is just a medium, like pencils, acrylic, whatever. Tho if you know how to draw learning to pixel will be relatively easy as there are just a handful of things you need to learn to pixel really. But even if you know the ins and outs of what makes pixelart, if you can not draw it wont help you.
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If I like a peice, I'll keep working on it.
Scott Robertson (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=2048) had a good piece of advice that I've found very useful myself. When sketching or doodling he often started on something he didn't like much after a while, but his method of "saving the sketch" meant that especially when he DIDN'T like the piece, he kept on working on it until it was as good as he could make it, until it had been pushed as far as it could be pushed.
Working only on those pieces that you like and always scrapping immediately the unpleasant pieces hinders the process of learning much. Try to finish at least one piece. It won't be fun 100% of the time, but no pain no gain.
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OH MY GOSH!!! First of all, I draw fine, I'm pretty good. 2: IF I LIKE A PEICE I WILL KEEP WORKING WITH IT. That's what I live by.
JJ Naas: I've got to find A peice that i WANT to finish, otherwise there would be no point in doing anything.
ptoing, please lock up this thread.
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CommanderD, I did not intend my post to be an insult. My apologies if you took it as such, I actually intended it to have an opposite effect. I merely wrote what I wish someone would have told me when I was your age. That is, to start seriously studying art.
Maybe you can relate to this? At 10 years old, I drew constantly and I did consider myself "pretty good" just as you do. I drew what interested me, and what I wanted to draw. But I knew my art wasn't as good as it could have been and I didn't know why. Still, I drew cartoony characters because the process was enjoyable and I was proud of the outcome. Friends and family would praise my art, but for some reason I didn't feel like I deserved it. I was happy with my art, but it didn't feel right for others to be, because looking at my art and comparing it to what I aspired to draw, there was a huge difference in quality. Years later, I started to study art. In addition to drawing what I liked, I would try to draw things realistically, I'd study proportion, all that. The pieces which I wanted to draw and which I liked were improved because I had the knowledge from my art studies.
Some people like doing art, and others see art as a means to accomplish an end. Both are fine. In both instances, the art process is justified, because it is necessary for gratification. You seem to be more of the latter - that is, you want to find a way to realize concepts and designs you enjoy. But the important thing to remember is that the pieces you like will not reach an objectively fair quality without the skills, training, and study behind it.
Also, a bit on this forum and what it's for. On Pixelation, when someone posts pixel art, they are critiqued and given feedback on how to improve the piece. Then the topic starter uses the advice at his discretion and posts an updated piece for more critique and feedback, and repeats. The forum is predominately for pixel critique and, while general art critiques are acceptable because they improve the art, critiques are meant to help on a pixel specific level, and not teach someone how to draw. (I'm liberally spouting hypocrisy now that I've said that ;)) But! It is a sort of prerequisite for creating objectively good pixel art to be a skilled artist because the pixels are only half the battle. So, you supply the piece, and you get critique. It is not a place to ask for ideas, it is assumed that topic starters 1) already worked on the piece until a level of polish they are comfortable with is obtained, and 2) bring the initial idea to the table, because you (edit: *can't*) get feedback on nothing.
So please consider my advice. ptoing even further solidified it with his last post, so you know this isn't just one person's opinion!
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Now, if you guys are gonna help me, I'd like to improve this peice A WHOLE LOT. :crazy:
I've given you critique and you've tossed it to the side, why should we critique you if you just do this? It seems to be a habit with most of your threads, like BOB said, you'll beg for critique, finally get it and just ignore it/brush it to the side. Come on man, if we're going to help you you gotta help us out a little.
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I am locking this now, not because you asked but because this is not what the Pixel Art forum is for.
If you are not here to learn and take critique then why are you here?
Perhaps you need to learn to take critique more than you need to learn to draw.
As I said in the other thread I locked, reconsider your usage of the forum.