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Title: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on October 20, 2008, 11:00:47 am
Time for a new OT thread.

Seeing that Halloween is so close already, would you like any special (pixel) activities to go along with it?
If so, any suggestions?

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zolthorg on October 20, 2008, 12:17:52 pm
i have never gotten a firstpost in all my years.  :-[

as for activities i'd mention the pumpkin one again because missed it, but i'm sure other people are bored of that concept
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on October 20, 2008, 01:15:59 pm
Second post?

(http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/2007-08-02Spam.jpg)

Dammit I have to get a first sometimes.

And Halloween activities: Maybe a mockup Frenzy that has to do with Halloween?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gizmonicgamer on October 20, 2008, 06:44:03 pm
Uh, what happened to the old one?  ???
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 20, 2008, 06:54:08 pm
PURGED.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 20, 2008, 09:22:38 pm
PURGED.

Hahaha, you really enjoy lurking around, biding your time until these kinds of chances arrive, don't you? :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 20, 2008, 09:27:37 pm
Dude I don't lurk here, I AM the here.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 20, 2008, 09:45:20 pm
In my definition, being "the here" is the utter extreme of lurking.

Also, from now on I will call you "the here", on lazy days when I don't have the energy to call you Telemachus Stavropoulos = 3=

"Helm" is now obsolete! Harhar! Take that, Tellieboy!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 20, 2008, 09:55:04 pm
Tellieboy!

Tell me, would you like to be banned for a year, or should I make it two?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cure on October 21, 2008, 12:13:39 am
Due to the fact that the only Greek names I've ever seen were in a history book, I always thought "Telemachus Stavropoulous" sounded like the name of an important figure.

I know better now, of course  :D

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Darien on October 21, 2008, 06:42:25 am
Ah, eastern European names are so cool.  For the longest time as a child I wished I had been named after my grandfather, Vytautus.  I still get to have Beinarauskas as my middle name, though, which is all right.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on October 21, 2008, 06:58:15 am
My Grandfather's name is Bonifacio.
His son's name is Elias.
My name is Erik.

Like a slow Americanization of first names. On the subject of names, my mom told me back then that if I had come out a girl, they would have named me Delilah.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 21, 2008, 07:18:53 am
Tellieboy!

Tell me, would you like to be banned for a year, or should I make it two?

Go fuck a goat  >:(

(wouldn't I go down in history as the first member who got a ban without strikes - for joking in an off-topic thread? : D Why not? Go ahead!)

*treading on thin ice*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on October 21, 2008, 07:54:30 am
(wouldn't I go down in history as the first member who got a ban without strikes - for joking in an off-topic thread? : D Why not? Go ahead!)

*treading on thin ice*

Actually you wouldn't. Pkmays got banned for a day for joking about Helm a while ago, heh.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 21, 2008, 08:40:34 am
(wouldn't I go down in history as the first member who got a ban without strikes - for joking in an off-topic thread? : D Why not? Go ahead!)

*treading on thin ice*

Actually you wouldn't. Pkmays got banned for a day for joking about Helm a while ago, heh.


... s-so I wouldn't even be the first?

 :-X











... ::)











 :yell: YUS!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 21, 2008, 12:41:24 pm
hah I don't even remember that, as you sure, Panda? I don't think I banned him, Ptoing did and I don't think it was about me? I would never ban someone like Jad. His positive attitude is a wonderful example of 'the internet done right'.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on October 21, 2008, 12:58:56 pm
Heh, I guess it was Sven then. Since neither you or myself did it.

But here is the post that triggered it!
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=5005.msg61765#msg61765
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 21, 2008, 01:33:02 pm
ouch. I don't think banning is funny even if it was just for one day. A belated sorry from my part, PkMays!!  :blind:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on October 21, 2008, 04:07:41 pm
I finally got out of the evil trap that MMORPG's does to people. Been playing for 2-3 weeks and I didn't do anything productive, I was pretty much brainwashed.

Well, I miss this place and finally back to train my skills again.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Blick on October 22, 2008, 03:48:50 am
Whatever you do, DON'T BECOME A DISHWASHER.

My hands and arms have had burns on them from day one, I have lost feeling in my fingers, and I'm always the last person to leave the kitchen. Either I'm being lathered up in a slurry of leftovers or I'm constantly draping my arms in boiling water.

It hurts, it doesn't pay well, but it's a job. And I should have taken that assistant aircraft mechanic position when I had the chance months ago.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on October 22, 2008, 09:44:30 am
Yeah!  The new off-topic thread!

Quote from: Blick
My hands and arms have had burns on them from day one, I have lost feeling in my fingers, and I'm always the last person to leave the kitchen. Either I'm being lathered up in a slurry of leftovers or I'm constantly draping my arms in boiling water.

Sounds somehow familiar. :)

STAY AWAY FROM DRILLS, AIR-DRILLS AND ANY KIND OF DRILLS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RENOVATIONS.

They're evil.  Sorry for the low-res.

(http://jspade.republika.pl/0437364775.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on October 22, 2008, 05:00:51 pm
Haha, yeh I banned him for one day as a joke, dunno if it even was a full day.
I am not even sure if it was about that post Panda linked. I think it was when I was chatting with PMKays on MSN and he somehow got to that, quite a while ago, was silly, would not do it again.

I agree with Helm about Jad, he is a very nice addition to Pix and I would be sad if I would see him go. GO JAD!   :y:;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on October 24, 2008, 08:49:01 am
Panda gained 366 Exp.
Panda levelled up!
Panda is Level 21 now.

 !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on October 24, 2008, 12:03:59 pm
Panda gained 366 Exp.
Panda levelled up!
Panda is Level 21 now.

 !yus!

Congratulations dude! May you reach many more levels.
What stats got added? :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 24, 2008, 12:16:17 pm
Panda gained 366 Exp.
Panda levelled up!
Panda is Level 21 now.

 !yus!

(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/endisaster/conglaturation.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on October 24, 2008, 01:27:51 pm
When family or that special girl gives me a hard time about playing video games, I like to bring up the fact that I am merely proving the justice of our culture.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on October 24, 2008, 01:50:38 pm
Thanks Opacus and Jad  :)

What stats got added? :D

Uhm... lemme see.

Books +4
Comics +6
Games +1
Revoltech +3
LEGO +4
Hoodie + 1
DVD +1
Money + 200

And lots of cake
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 24, 2008, 04:24:19 pm
When family or that special girl gives me a hard time about playing video games, I like to bring up the fact that I am merely proving the justice of our culture.

*prooving
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on October 24, 2008, 04:46:21 pm
Holy crap.

The company I'm... not-working at. I'm an intern currently. But I might as well be working there since everyone there's really tight. Anyway. A game we've been working on for the iPhone has just been officially released! And I actually made some stuff in it! Last time we looked today, we had a whooping 60 registered users... which is... actually really great, I think, for an iPhone game with no marketing or anything. It didn't even make it to any front pages before those 60 guys found and bought it.

Keep an eye out for Clusterball Arcade! And don't mind the geographical design of the second set of stages, because I made all those.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on October 25, 2008, 02:37:23 pm
Thanks Opacus and Jad  :)

What stats got added? :D

Uhm... lemme see.

Books +4
Comics +6
Games +1
Revoltech +3
LEGO +4
Hoodie + 1
DVD +1
Money + 200

And lots of cake

I thought Adam and I were the only LEGO'ers here.
Show some creations some times :D.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on October 25, 2008, 11:09:24 pm
I doubt many members if any here would turn down a good lego session
and happy birthday noe :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on October 28, 2008, 12:26:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRISkyV_B8

 :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Blick on October 28, 2008, 06:27:24 am
The parody is just as entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9fmnAsgdg
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on October 29, 2008, 01:36:52 pm
Why the crap do all the good games come out like the same week? Even if I had money to buy them all I don't have time to play them!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on October 30, 2008, 04:09:57 pm
It was dark, raining and fallen leaves everywhere today on the way home on the bus. Quite pretty actually, the city was all sparkly like. I saw a dumbster on the side of the road with old chairs, beds and such. A poor looking man hopped on there and started scavenging. Social pre-programming said "this man is pathetic" while logic said "this man is awesome". Awesome because he probably consumes only a fraction of what i do. I felt a bit like an ass gripping my new videogame. After many years of trying to shake these combat ready thoughts on what's cool and what's not, they still surface all the time. Always using logic on everything doesn't work very well cause it's simply extremely inefficient and slow compared to your subconscious thinking. It's been proven that one's brain can be retooled quite a bit, so i guess i just need more exercise in consciousness raising.

So i just bought Red alert 3, almost bought Fallout 3 and i don't feel like playing either anymore. I probably will later, just to satisfy my vanity.
In a nutshell, what I'm saying Ben2, is that you can easily reason yourself out of buying all the new games. Wanting to buy more than enough is just a little devil talking in the back of your head. You surely have access to far more entertainment than what would be sufficient to satisfy you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on October 30, 2008, 04:29:43 pm
Yes, but everyone else is playing them and you gotta keep up. I missed out on a lot of PS2 classics (Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Ico, etc.) and it's going to be harder for me to get into them now that they are last generation (must dust off PS2), especially with all the new games I want to play (Dead Space, Fallout 3, Bioshock, Resistance 2).  It would be nice to freeze time for a while...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on October 30, 2008, 06:03:13 pm
I think it's not bad at all to play games very late. I got Homeworld 2 last weekend for 2 and i have to say it still has some very amazing things. It's a game made with a relatively small team, little resources and such, but still packs quite an epic punch compared to anything on the market now. Also the simple animatics + voice overs are far more convincing to me than 90% of the cutscenes that I've seen in the past few years.

Oh and i gotta add that Dead Space has been a lot of fun. Incredible sound. Sometimes the noise of an engine room suffocates all the other sound (even here in the house  :-X), or the vacuum of space has no sound at all except for things that are in contact with your suit. I must apologize to my neighbors after i finish the game......
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on October 30, 2008, 07:39:51 pm
It really depends, though. Some games are classic, and you can afford to miss them... but some games, despite awesome reviews and great reception upon realease, die faster as time goes by.

Take, for example, Super Metroid. Still a wicked game, even though it's ancient. I play that sucker usually once a year and still enjoy it (thanks in large part to my never-using-walkthroughs or guides policy) and I don't find anything in the game atrocious. Cave story, same thing. The graphics are simple, work, and haven't necessarily been madly surpassed by anything. The gameplay is still solid, the music still fits... it all just works.

Now, I've gone through my life having played two Final Fantasy games. Those two would be Final Fantasy 6 (SNES) and FFX (Playstation2?). Any time I talk to a FF fanboy, they scream and vouch for FF7, as it's the best RPG in the world etcetera etcetera etcetera. A few months ago, I actually got my hands on a copy of FF7 and gave it a go.

It looks terrible (The enemies... explode? into a mess of broken triangles???), it sounds terrible(The sound made when enemies explode??), and I couldn't get past those two facts long enough to enjoy the story or gameplay. It wasn't the legend I was told it was simply because I was waay late on that train and have seen what can be. It's not that FF7 is or was a crappy game, so no fanboys diving down my throat, please. I just can't stand it because I can't relate to the restrictions of the time.

I also never played Katamari Damacy. If I wait too much longer, I betcha it'll lose its appeal.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on October 30, 2008, 09:31:07 pm
I also never played Katamari Damacy. If I wait too much longer, I betcha it'll lose its appeal.

Nah, probably not. Wait until a rainy day when you've almost forgot about it, then GO.

Katamari Damacy is like pacman but just so much better. The core gameplay is super solid and all the other things such as the graphic style, music, etc. help with adding to that. Since the gameplay is solid and the fluff fits in, it's super-non-gimmicky.

Just plain enjoyable. Nothing mind-blowing; except for the first time I played it when it actually blew my mind because I hadn't thought that games could be so free in their aesthetics; since then so many minds have been blown that those who haven't already played it expects miracles; you're not gonna get any, just play the game (:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on October 30, 2008, 09:40:06 pm
Totally agree with Jad. Also Katamari Damacy is one of the very few games that actually make me happy when I play it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on October 31, 2008, 12:23:20 am
New futurama flick is out, been hearing good things about this one, apparently the best so far

edit-
Yeah, I think I'd say this is the best movie so far, it doesn't focus on Fry much, in fact he pretty much only deals out one liners, though they're all consistently good :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 01, 2008, 09:20:07 am
Any other Fallout 3 players?

I'm a bit of a bastard, as I haven't actually played fallout one or two (I plan to!). Nonetheless, it's quite fun despite having obvious connections to Bethesda's Oblivion engine (Which I hated) and the totally emotionless faces of all the characters. Non-linear real-time RPG with FPS aspects, neato.

I've already met a few people I've resolved to kill later :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TomF on November 01, 2008, 10:19:33 am
Yes, but everyone else is playing them and you gotta keep up.

I'm totally feeling the same way right now, there's so many awesome games from last gen that I haven't even touched yet. I think this christmas I might just buy everything I've missed and just spend a week or two catching up.

Willows I agree with your whole post. Actually the first time I played Super Metroid was only about a couple of years ago, it was one of those games everyone raved about but I'd never tried. Ended up being one of my favourite games of all time, and to think how many other legendary games out there that I haven't played yet.

I did try to force myself to play FF7 a while ago but the game just isn't for me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on November 01, 2008, 12:26:49 pm
New futurama flick is out, been hearing good things about this one, apparently the best so far

edit-
Yeah, I think I'd say this is the best movie so far, it doesn't focus on Fry much, in fact he pretty much only deals out one liners, though they're all consistently good :y:

really... i thought the whole fantasy thing sucked ass.

there wasnt really much of a plot either... i think the second has been the funniest so far.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 01, 2008, 02:12:38 pm
Any estimation yet on when the next Secret Santa will begin?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 01, 2008, 02:37:50 pm
Not before you finish your iso collab tile! On Monday I will rain down on that like the wrath of a thousand gods! I want that thing finished and done!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 01, 2008, 03:14:52 pm
I'd say in 2 weeks or so.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on November 01, 2008, 03:27:12 pm
Pixelation SecretSanta is one of my favourite christmas traditions ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 01, 2008, 03:43:42 pm
Not before you finish your iso collab tile! On Monday I will rain down on that like the wrath of a thousand gods! I want that thing finished and done!

Oh gingerbread cupcakes the iso collab
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 01, 2008, 09:30:03 pm
Stop swearing for no reason.  :ouch:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 01, 2008, 10:26:01 pm
Stop swearing for no reason.  :ouch:
PHAWK

Oh, and is the iso collab a yearly thing? Cuz' I'd like to be a part of the next one!
 :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on November 01, 2008, 10:30:17 pm
You could be part of this one as soon as Ptoing starts bustin' heads.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 01, 2008, 10:33:46 pm
You could be part of this one as soon as Ptoing starts bustin' heads.
Schweeeeeeeeet.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 02, 2008, 10:13:09 am
Stop swearing for no reason.  :ouch:

Allright. From now on I will use terms as gingerbread and cupcakes as in your edit.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 02, 2008, 11:44:47 am
I didn't edit your post (Ptoing is the edit-happy mod as far as I've been able to tell) but yes, please.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 02, 2008, 12:26:13 pm
I propose an automatic word replacer that randomly picks a curse from the full vocabulary of Captain Haddock

(http://hpnadig.weblogs.us/images/cap_haddock.jpg)

http://www.tintinologist.org/guides/lists/curses.html <---Best curses ever

http://www.cmdr-fire.co.uk/haddock.html hrm, I wish they had a normal-to-haddock translator, like the 13 year old aol kid one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 02, 2008, 05:23:21 pm
I propose an automatic word replacer that randomly picks a curse from the full vocabulary of Captain Haddock

(http://hpnadig.weblogs.us/images/cap_haddock.jpg)

http://www.tintinologist.org/guides/lists/curses.html <---Best curses ever

http://www.cmdr-fire.co.uk/haddock.html hrm, I wish they had a normal-to-haddock translator, like the 13 year old aol kid one.

That would be mathematical.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 02, 2008, 09:55:17 pm
Is pillow-shading ok, if you're shading a pillow???
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 02, 2008, 11:29:17 pm
Is pillow-shading ok, if you're shading a pillow???
No.
The word pillow is now non-existent.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: rabidbaboy on November 03, 2008, 01:19:35 am
Henceforth, the word "pillow" shall be replaced by the word "lovely".

As in, that is some lovely shading you have there.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on November 04, 2008, 05:37:17 am
Fallout 3  :y: :y: :y: :mean: :y:

First game I've bought in a long time, and it's pretty fantastic. :hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on November 04, 2008, 12:51:34 pm
well legal citizens of the united states, the polls have been open for two hours in some states and starbucks gives a free tall coffee if you tell them you did your civic duties.  go vote now!

ps fallout 3 looks awesome.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 04, 2008, 02:20:57 pm
I voted a mere hour ago. I can't wait for today to be over, we'll have a new president and everyone can stop bickering and whining (yeah right...  ::))
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 04, 2008, 03:05:32 pm
I'm going to be in NYC tomorrow visiting the met on a school trip. I'm actually kind of scared there'll be unrest no matter who wins. I live in rural Pennsylvania so I'm always a little scared of cities though.  :P

*imagines KKK or democrats rocking bus*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Xion on November 04, 2008, 11:19:54 pm
Yay I voted for the first time ever. ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on November 05, 2008, 01:36:42 am
upper east side (where the Met is) is safer than anywhere.  and buses are hard to rock :P.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 05, 2008, 03:32:45 am
I was gonna ask if there was a website following the polls, then I remembered TV!
yeah, that video game thing also receives news sometimes!

Looks like Obama is winning  :)

edit-
Obama won! ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Xion on November 05, 2008, 03:51:07 am
fuck yeah!

:) ;D :yay: :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 05, 2008, 04:15:54 am
I'm just glad this place isn't filled with easily angered Reblucans!

 :crazy:
I love that smily.
 :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 05, 2008, 04:34:27 am
Change is the only constant in the universe. If we have been stuck for so many years it is because we wanted it. That USA choses the candidate of CHANGE is a great sign of need for transformation, but if that is where the people is done with it and now it is seen as his responsability, he's just a pacifier, a placebo.

The need for transformation will be fullfilled if it stays in their hearts and becomes real in their lives, nobody can change their own lives for them, the President can only support it from his position not provide it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 05, 2008, 04:48:03 am
It's kind of sad that the first thing I thought was, "how long until he gets assassinated"... is that bad? I'm extremely happy he won, but I just get the feeling there are a lot of people who aren't happy about it, and willing to go to that extreme.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Xion on November 05, 2008, 05:14:44 am
No. During his entire speech I was just fearing that at any minute part of him would explode in a shower of crimson from the bullet of some bastard.
I'm praying that never happens.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on November 05, 2008, 06:10:24 am
   Man, I hope Obama is bullet free by the end of both terms. I'm just wondering where Palin and McCain decide to take their services afterward. Either way, I'm saving my ultra vote for when Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone decide to battle it out for office, after Arny-boy sweet talks us into making an amendment for those not born on American soil to run for presidential candidacy.

  side-note: congrats goes to the first Non-Caucasian U.S. president!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 05, 2008, 06:17:44 am
I think martirs are bigger iconss than presidents.....I hope his opposition sees that and stays still.

Honestly, he's there because he's manageable. Ron Paul was a real plan for radical, fundamental change....obama wins because they can mold him to do what they want.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 05, 2008, 02:45:10 pm
I'm just glad this place isn't filled with easily angered Reblucans!

There's Republicans around definitely, we're just not easily angered  ;) Honestly Palin scared me more than Obama ever will.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 06, 2008, 10:06:55 am
political discussion aauugghhhhw rrmrf  grhb mary  moo cowm clap a  nap stick   ptoing        is the baddest      man in     the     whole        wide        wo    r  m
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 06, 2008, 10:15:18 am
Whole wide worm?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 06, 2008, 10:33:51 pm
I had hope for Ron Paul until the last second. The last second, I tell you!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 07, 2008, 04:09:05 am
Apparently westboro baptist church will be picketing Obama's grandmother's funeral.

You can bet there will be counter protests trying to drive them away, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get assaulted.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on November 07, 2008, 09:44:12 am
(http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/400/15/15195.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 07, 2008, 04:30:07 pm
uh
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on November 07, 2008, 05:37:44 pm
Apparently westboro baptist church will be picketing Obama's grandmother's funeral.
... What the fuck is wrong with people?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 07, 2008, 06:21:30 pm
You have to ask what's wrong with the Westboro Baptist Church. And the answer to that is "Just about everything"  :ouch:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on November 07, 2008, 06:42:36 pm
Each person is born to a group that is right and everyone else is wrong.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 07, 2008, 06:44:11 pm
That is very much a blanket statement, huzba. The problem is that WBC is a bunch of fundamentalists that bother people they have no right to bother at all.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on November 07, 2008, 06:52:47 pm
That's what i find completely absurd about this kind of groups. It's very unlikely that you happened to be born into the "right" group when there's so many different groups with different views. How come no-one in WBC questions themselves when you can challenge their credibility with something so ridiculously simple?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 07, 2008, 06:56:27 pm
Because people are a natura absurdly self-confident. It's a biological, evolutionary mechanism. We are made to think we are right so we test out our theories and either die trying or triumph. Relativism and tolerant equidistance, as much as they're human traits I endorse and probably define me to a large degree, are simply not as useful as headstrong people that carve their own path, regardless of how absurd the foundations.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 08, 2008, 05:27:24 am
So, I voted today.

NZ politics are boring, pretty much the same as Futurama's John Jackson and Jack Johnson.
So I voted for the "Legalize Marijuana Now" party
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 08, 2008, 12:18:07 pm
So, I voted today.

NZ politics are boring, pretty much the same as Futurama's John Jackson and Jack Johnson.
So I voted for the "Legalize Marijuana Now" party
:hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 11, 2008, 04:18:28 pm
 >:(

(http://ptoing.net/zomg.jpg) 
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: rabidbaboy on November 11, 2008, 04:21:46 pm
You're lucky you look alright with a shaved head.

Apparently, I look like a rocket with my head shaved.  :ouch:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 11, 2008, 04:22:28 pm
Wowaaaaa
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 11, 2008, 05:37:33 pm
Whoa.
What was the reason?  Or just because?

Doesn't look bad though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 11, 2008, 05:57:44 pm
On the Firefox3 Zoom blur.

Guys...hasnt it been a while since this was a problem? I think as a comunity we should try to get this fixed in unison. I just noticed that we all complained a while ago (I didnt) and the only answer was that we should ask that it got fixed....but I have no idea wether we actually did this.

go to

http://hendrix.mozilla.org/

as a subject put

Firefox3 Zoom blur.

give a brief personal explanation of exactly how this new unavoidable blur fucks you up....if all of pixelation does it maybe we can get it fixed?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 11, 2008, 06:44:22 pm
Can't someone create an addon that disables the blurring?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 11, 2008, 07:36:31 pm
it doesnt seem so, whenever we complained about it the very people of support just told us to just go ahead and suggest they change the feature.

Tthe very zoom function that Firefox uses now has an embedded blur, and addons can utilize the function but not modify it.

EDIT:spelling
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on November 11, 2008, 09:55:07 pm
You can't disable the blurring with an addon, because there's no alternative method of resizing images in the browser atm. The talk they had when implementing it was something like this: "Why would anyone not want smooth resizing?"
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 11, 2008, 09:57:59 pm
Thing is, so many people have complained, even non-pixelartists. It's screwing up a lot of sites where they resize layout images and such. There were tons of blogs about it, lots of complaints... but they still haven't listened. A little disappointing, because I thought Mozilla were more receptive than that.

Well I sent in the feedback. I hope something comes of this.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 12, 2008, 06:13:18 pm
it's annoying because it would be such an easy thing to fix.

in the page where everyone from pixelation was complaining
http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&forumId=1&comments_parentId=29934#threadId71332
 the common answer from the support guys was just instructions to disable the zoom on images. I think probably while not ideal this would be an ok alternative for website layouts, becaue not many people except for pixelartists actually want pixelly zooms

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=664257&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=752735&p=4075495
 here are 2 other related topics...which are apparently still being ignored
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 12, 2008, 06:56:09 pm
protip: don't use firefox, use some other browser, like opera.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on November 12, 2008, 07:31:58 pm
Or you could just go back to Firefox 2..Not sure what the big deal is with Firefox 3 any how...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 12, 2008, 08:34:31 pm
mostly it's that you have to seek for some annoying way to take your configurations from 3 back to 2.....which usually takes a lot of testing and garbage like that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shred on November 12, 2008, 09:15:34 pm
Is there an eraser tool on Gale?  ???

Edit: Ok so I've found out it doesn't, you just use the pencil tool, fair enough. Though is there a shortcut key to switch between your primary and secondary colour? And if so are there any other useful shortcuts?

Sorry if this seems inappropriate posting this here but I thought it would be much better than starting my own topic and couldn't find a more suitable one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on November 12, 2008, 09:47:15 pm
if you right click, you can pick up any color you want.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 12, 2008, 09:48:56 pm
Eraser? It's a pencil icon on the toolbar. Click it and it drops down a little menu, the pencil (Normal), an eraser (Clear), or a fading grid (Opacity). Select "Clear" and paint. Useful when you're working with layers but not much else. Other options include painting with the transparent color or selecting and deleting.

Now it's my turn. Anyone know how to work the opacity brush?

Edit: Aha! figured it out. When the paint mode is Opacity, it is determined by the value of the little grayscale gradient bar right below the palette. I always wondered what that one did. :)

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shred on November 12, 2008, 09:52:44 pm
Now it's my turn.

No no no, it's still my turn! I edited my post before both of you replied you see  :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 12, 2008, 09:56:28 pm
Shred, you make your own shortcuts. go to file, preferences, key....and...have a field day.

I have C mapped to copy a pallete color

and V to paste a color.....

I have up/down for zoom, left/right to flip trough the frames....I love that setup...that and the animation preview is mostly why I still use Ggale instead of Pmotion...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shred on November 12, 2008, 09:58:55 pm
 :y: Ah lovely, thanks Alkaline, Atnas and Conceit.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 13, 2008, 09:22:27 am
Shred, you make your own shortcuts. go to file, preferences, key....and...have a field day.

I have C mapped to copy a pallete color

and V to paste a color.....

I have up/down for zoom, left/right to flip trough the frames....I love that setup...that and the animation preview is mostly why I still use Ggale instead of Pmotion...

Yees, frame flipping makes me all warm and fuzzy inside (:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 13, 2008, 09:57:28 am
I have up/down for zoom, left/right to flip trough the frames....I love that setup...that and the animation preview is mostly why I still use Ggale instead of Pmotion...

You can flip frames and zoom as well in PM (including doing your own shortcuts).
What do you mean with animation preview? Does Ggale have one that you can just have running all the time?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 13, 2008, 06:40:09 pm
Yes it does! And you can resize it and zoom in and out, muahahahaha
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 13, 2008, 06:55:36 pm
Well, PM has a preview which you can animate as well and zoom in and resize. You just can't draw when you play back, which I do not see as a massive drawback. Could always ask Jan to implement that tho, I guess.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 13, 2008, 08:15:23 pm
You just can't draw when you play back

I'm just that much of an addict that I cant do without it C_C
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: rabidbaboy on November 14, 2008, 12:06:48 pm
Yeah, the animation preview is something you learn to love pretty fast.

Didn't know about the shortcuts though! Thanks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 14, 2008, 04:41:35 pm
This has been bothering me for a while.

Every once in a while, I have a reason to try and create "custom brushes" in GraphicsGale. Though I assume it's possible (Using the Reload Pen/Tile button in the palette's dropdown menu) I've never actually been able to get it to function. I was trying to make a tile that's pure black (so it paints with the second colour, not the first) and a widepixel pen (brush) but totally failed at both and either.

P.S. apparently setting paint mode to "Clear" is the eraser in graphicsgale O-o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 14, 2008, 08:13:10 pm
The whole idea of an ereaser has become sort of a thing of the past for me, since Ggale. Sometimes when you erease you want it to use the transparent color of the layer...and sometimes you just want to use a darker color of the material you're drawing on....I find it annoying to have an ereaser that makes that choice for you, I prefer to pick em by myself.

Now, about the PEN thing...why is it not working? I'm always making random brusher for myself with Ggale.
-make a new folder inside the ggale folder called PEN
-make a new 1bpp BMP inside this folder, that is 32x32 pixels of size.
-use black as the transparent color, and white as the color of your brush.
-save the bmp
-go to the palette's dropdown menu, and clik Reload Pen/Tile
-The new brushes will appear after the preset ones in a completely random order...I've never been able to figure out what determines their order.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on November 14, 2008, 09:32:49 pm
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/05/pixels-go-mad-the-celebration-of-pixel-art/

An interesting link, figured someone might enjoy it. I especially like the the Rubix cube pixel art and the picture by Chiho Aoshima (despite it not really being pixel art). Also noticed alot of isometric stuff...
It's odd to me but it seems when someone says pixel art people automatically assume it to be the isometric variety. Atleast in my experiences.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skamocore on November 14, 2008, 10:19:44 pm
yes, apparently this (http://88.198.60.17/images/pixel-art/pixel-art-70.jpg) has the "pixel-art-look" simply because it's in isometric perspective... :sry:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on November 14, 2008, 11:46:16 pm
Yeah exactly! Mind you that picture is awesome but I don't get why thats assumed XD
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on November 15, 2008, 01:38:17 am
I've suffer emotional damage because of that link :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 15, 2008, 02:11:43 am
I get a 403 _o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on November 15, 2008, 04:41:18 am
Haha maybe it wasn't wise of me to post that, though there is some nice stuff on there. Just lots of meh isometric stuff *shrug*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shred on November 15, 2008, 06:15:52 pm
This: http://flickr.com/photos/thevoicewithin/474490685/ caught my eye, has anyone else seen any other pixel art tattoos? I've seen the odd zelda one but thats about it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 17, 2008, 06:07:33 pm
Secret Santaaaaaaa  :0'
Can't wait to get started, and I can't wait till I see what I get either.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 17, 2008, 07:39:41 pm
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=752735&p=5008845#p5008845 I R angry at mozilla  :yell:

actually, I'm probably angry at myself for getting all tangled up and not having the right priorities in my art and taking so goddamn long to finish my ISO tile...but mozilla can have the hate that it brings.  :crazy: :ouch: :'(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 17, 2008, 08:01:01 pm
Lovin' Turisas right now :O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBIr3Vx16w


way later edit:

Made my first post on Conceptart.org today. I doubt I'm the only one that finds that website frigging intimidating, simply by the sheer quantity of RIDICULOUSLY GOOD artists that live there.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123338

Seriously. What the hell?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 19, 2008, 09:57:14 am
Gentlemen, I bestow the very last build of Twinsen:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hegswx

We have recently come to the decision to start a new original game rather than restricting ourselves with a fangame.
So please, check out the current build, I'm still very much interested in feedback because things will still be similar in our new game.
Just don't bother mentioning flaws or glitches, we already have them all (no, I'm not being cocky here, we seriously have them all  :P) well documented and will not be working on them anymore.

So yeah, so long twinsen :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on November 19, 2008, 04:44:43 pm
Fun :)! I like it! Lookin' forward to your next game :P.

I do, however, hate those goddamn dragon flies.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 19, 2008, 05:37:47 pm
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=752735&p=5008845#p5008845 I R angry at mozilla  :yell:
I can't believe how ignorant these people are to the problem... it's like talking to a brick wall, they just don't seem to understand.
(lol @ how they're correcting people and calling it AAing instead of blurring.)

Gentlemen, I bestow the very last build of Twinsen:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hegswx

We have recently come to the decision to start a new original game rather than restricting ourselves with a fangame.
So please, check out the current build, I'm still very much interested in feedback because things will still be similar in our new game.
Just don't bother mentioning flaws or glitches, we already have them all (no, I'm not being cocky here, we seriously have them all  :P) well documented and will not be working on them anymore.

So yeah, so long twinsen :(
Not running for me... well it does. It just sits there with the little Twinsen logo and I can hear my computer going into overdrive but it does nothing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 19, 2008, 05:55:59 pm
Secret Santaaaaaaa  :0'
Can't wait to get started, and I can't wait till I see what I get either.

Seriously, I feel like my skill has improved a ton since my first ever pixelation secret santa, hell, I remember pixeling a very crappy teddy bear for godslayer or someone about 3 years ago. This year, I'm really going to go all out.

On another note, is anyone playing Fallout 3? I have it and have played for a bit, but i'm restricting myself because of my wedding in 2 weeks but I'm dying to play so bad.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 19, 2008, 06:27:58 pm
Heh, I hope I'm not rusty for the Secret Santa.
It has been a while since I pixelled something for fun.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on November 19, 2008, 08:58:11 pm
Heh, I hope I'm not rusty for the Secret Santa.
It has been a while since I pixelled something for fun.

Agreed. I haven't pixeled in a while either, for money or for fun...time to dust off that old ms paint and promotion and get to work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 19, 2008, 09:50:35 pm
Gentlemen, I bestow the very last build of Twinsen:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hegswx

We have recently come to the decision to start a new original game rather than restricting ourselves with a fangame.
So please, check out the current build, I'm still very much interested in feedback because things will still be similar in our new game.
Just don't bother mentioning flaws or glitches, we already have them all (no, I'm not being cocky here, we seriously have them all  :P) well documented and will not be working on them anymore.

So yeah, so long twinsen :(
Not running for me... well it does. It just sits there with the little Twinsen logo and I can hear my computer going into overdrive but it does nothing.
Bummer, mac, vista by any chance?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 19, 2008, 10:06:05 pm
Secret Santaaaaaaa  :0'
Can't wait to get started, and I can't wait till I see what I get either.

Seriously, I feel like my skill has improved a ton since my first ever pixelation secret santa, hell, I remember pixeling a very crappy teddy bear for godslayer or someone about 3 years ago. This year, I'm really going to go all out.

On another note, is anyone playing Fallout 3? I have it and have played for a bit, but i'm restricting myself because of my wedding in 2 weeks but I'm dying to play so bad.

Yeah...It's fun to be able to give people a better gift each year!

Also, I hope another pixelator comes somewhere soon. I got my butt kicked in the first round last time. Which is not odd because I was up against Snake.(I blame the random poulle generator!)
I wanna kick some butt next time!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on November 20, 2008, 12:29:55 am
On another note, is anyone playing Fallout 3? I have it and have played for a bit, but i'm restricting myself because of my wedding in 2 weeks but I'm dying to play so bad.
Yeah! I beat it the day after it came out- still playing it though, catching up on all the stuff I missed. I really do love it, so much interesting stuff to find just by walking around. I actually just found Dogmeat, too. :hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 20, 2008, 12:54:46 am
Bummer, mac, vista by any chance?
Nope, XP.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 20, 2008, 01:12:29 am
weird, sometimes with GM games the first loadup can take a while, you could try again and leave it sitting for a couple minutes?
I've never had any problems reported with XP '~'
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 20, 2008, 01:45:06 am
That seems to have worked... wow, what a load-up time. And it eats a hell of a lot of CPU.

So I made it to the ledge from the house with the two barrels... but I can't make it to the next ledge. Not much documentation on how to do these platforming tasks(made the ledge off of the house by luck, after many attempts).

Two beefs though: no fullscreen and no controller support?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 20, 2008, 01:48:57 am
full screen is f4, and you can double jump by holding upwards and using the sword, I kinda go over it in the readme :P
And yah, GM games typically hog resources, can't really do anything about it without switching to c++/etc
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 20, 2008, 02:03:08 am
Aha, didn't even notice that readme.

Oh, and the reach of the sword is frustratingly short :( Also, it seems to take a while before hit detection actually sets in(at least while holding forward+slash). I seem to get hurt a lot while waiting for my sword to swing, especially since it likes to throw me into monsters(forward+slash).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 20, 2008, 04:36:26 am
I have ONE complaint.

Those annoying friggin' spiky vines don't look dangerous. I ger hurt, and I'm like wut. Practically every time those stupid things show up I land on them and get pwnt.

None of the enemies are hard (actually, none of 'em pose a challenge once you understand your attacks[aka jumpy spinning slash + direction = success]) and jumping around and stuff is fun. Found myself climbing to the top of the last room and free-falling off of it a couple times, just to watch the falling animation again and again.

Love the art and animations.

Love the little effects like the sun moving separately from the rest of the background and the birds flying all over the place.

Love the tiny little clovers for health.

Love the music.

It's friggin' awesome, dude. If you knuckleheads (<3) just buckled down and put some actual meat into it, took it away from being the sandbox it currently is, then it seriously has the potential to be right up there with Cave Story on the indie games front.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 20, 2008, 05:09:14 am
They don't look dangerous?
I'll keep that in mind :)

This was just the first area of the game so all the enemies are pretty basic.
And yeah, part of the reason we're restarting development is because of how little planning we did.
We've already planned out more than we ever did for Twinsen, so I think we'll deliver meat-wise :P

thanks
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on November 20, 2008, 05:21:02 am
same dude, I kept inadvertently jumping on those spikey vines, i never noticed 'em ... :sry:

awesome game though yo.

and yeah, my computer sucks a lot, and the game ran down my virtual memory to the point where that little bubble pops up :O
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skamocore on November 20, 2008, 06:43:56 am
I really have to say I hate how the game constantly punishes you. Like what Willows said about the spiky things. But also things like when you are jumping up to get to the top of one of the levels and then make a mistake, you fall back down to the bottom of the screen. That would be punishment enough, but it just so happens that there is a lake directly under where you are climbing and not only do you get punished by losing your climbing progress you also have to restart the whole level again since you die if you touch water.

Also there was a section where you can choose either to go left or right, neither direction you can see what lies ahead, but both directions mean you have to fall downwards somewhere. If you choose left you plummet into a lake area, where you get trapped with a heap of dragonflies. Then you are just left to die there, since I assume it's impossible to get out of. All of this because you chose to explore one direction instead of another.

And to make it worse you actually *lose* quite a few points for having to restart.

Other than that, the graphics were beautiful and they probably kept me playing the game longer than I would've normally. I love the colours you picked and I liked the random rocks that appear in the foreground occasionally, I think that was a nice touch. Great animation too.

Also, what does the ball do?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 20, 2008, 07:10:28 am
I really have to say I hate how the game constantly punishes you. Like what Willows said about the spiky things. But also things like when you are jumping up to get to the top of one of the levels and then make a mistake, you fall back down to the bottom of the screen. That would be punishment enough, but it just so happens that there is a lake directly under where you are climbing and not only do you get punished by losing your climbing progress you also have to restart the whole level again since you die if you touch water.
Well, I'm pretty much an expert at the game as one would expect, so it's hard to gauge a good level of difficulty.
But I want it to be difficult, it makes the feeling so much more rewarding when you master the controls or discover a secret.

Also there was a section where you can choose either to go left or right, neither direction you can see what lies ahead, but both directions mean you have to fall downwards somewhere. If you choose left you plummet into a lake area, where you get trapped with a heap of dragonflies. Then you are just left to die there, since I assume it's impossible to get out of. All of this because you chose to explore one direction instead of another.
I think in just about all the areas where you can chose to explore, one path will be harder than the other but it will provide rewards such as health units, or point bushes.
I tried to establish a style to the level design that players could recognize and adapt to, I guess it wasn't as readable as I'd have hoped, but regardless- level design will be quite different in the new game.
Also, when facing dragon flies, just do the jumping spin slash attack, pretty much the best move in the game.

And to make it worse you actually *lose* quite a few points for having to restart.
We decided against a live system because that would mean eventually losing all your points at gameover, so we went with fining the player I think 10% of their total points, another part of the game that we won't be carrying into the new game

Other than that, the graphics were beautiful and they probably kept me playing the game longer than I would've normally. I love the colours you picked and I liked the random rocks that appear in the foreground occasionally, I think that was a nice touch. Great animation too.
Thanks, the graphics will remain in the same style :)

Also, what does the ball do?
The ball can be used to knock out the plant enemies, bounce moles into enemies and scare dragonflies away.
The basketball hoop in level5 kinda hints at things to come, but you'll have to wait for the new game to see some of the puzzles/etc we had in mind


thanks for playing :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 21, 2008, 06:15:49 am
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v131/Hagane/222777.png)

 :O

222 and 777
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Raytheon on November 21, 2008, 06:35:36 am
222 i only have 1 :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 21, 2008, 08:04:29 am
Five AND a cookie (that I don't know how I got O_o)

Huzzah! Power to the Willows!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 21, 2008, 11:37:49 am
222 i only have 1 :(
(Panda is an Admin, he cheats D:<)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TrevoriuS on November 21, 2008, 12:07:36 pm
They always have to cheat don't they? Now who stole my cookie  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Raytheon on November 21, 2008, 06:39:36 pm
I got 222 now too :)
Total time logged in: 22h 2m
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 21, 2008, 07:50:20 pm
On another note, is anyone playing Fallout 3? I have it and have played for a bit, but i'm restricting myself because of my wedding in 2 weeks but I'm dying to play so bad.
Yeah! I beat it the day after it came out- still playing it though, catching up on all the stuff I missed. I really do love it, so much interesting stuff to find just by walking around. I actually just found Dogmeat, too. :hehe:

Serious? Thats dissapointing. I remember spending a long time on fallout 1 just to get to the end. I hate games that you can beat in a few days, super mario galaxy for example was great and all, but beating it in a few days made me feel dissapointed. We'll see, I tend to take my time with games like fallout.

1 question, I ran into an invisible wall when I was playing, does this remain throughout the game?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on November 21, 2008, 08:17:13 pm
I played fallout 4 hours or so and after talking with a friend of mine who has played it more, it seems I'm almost at the end. I like the freedom to develop your character to pretty much anything, but in the end it felt just as pointless as in oblivion, unless you really want to collect items a lot.

At times it had okay story bits and such, but mostly the dialogue is unnatural, characters are robots and the world is surprisingly bland. I didn't feel the horrors of nuclear radiation, there was no despair, no joy, it was all very monotonous at least so far. Some places had good ideas and such, but the presentation just takes the edge off of everything.
For example, you walk in to the first town, there's a guy who offers you a detonator for the nuke. No-one around reacts to this and it's odd how he offers it to some random guy who comes in. The mutant guy at the bar became friendly instantly when you selected the nice line and so forth and that seemed to be the case with most of them mutants. Extremely xenophobic people don't usually become your friends the moment you say something nice to them...... you know, cause the moment they let their guard down the anti mutant guy would take advantage of the situation.
I don't know how much people work at bethesda, but one guy dedicated to making the characters emote would've been enough. Currently they can only sit, stand, or move their mouths, that's it. In fallout 2 they moved around, made expressions and such.

I've found the game to be lots of fun regardless, but for reasons other than the characters or story. I invested all my level up points on unarmed, melee and stealth, so now i can just pwn everything with a knife or a sword. Even the supermutants go down with 2 or 3 slashes, which is kind of odd, since my brother is at the same location in his save and the same enemies take like a 100 shots from the minigun. He's also at a higher level than me, so the enemies probably level up as you do.

@dogmeat
Some places have none, some places are filled with invisible walls. There's a few city locations that have very specific paths that you can't stray from.

I'm on the fence with this game at the moment. Occasionally there would be great immersion, but it's constantly interrupted by things mentioned before and BUGS!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 21, 2008, 11:34:06 pm
Hey huZba,

I played the original fallout religiously, I think i've probably beaten it over 10 times. All the things you said were lacking from Fallout 3 are things I thought were present in Fallout 1, whats your take on this?

I really thought Interplay was one of the most innovative game companies of its time, its sad that the gaming market has turned into a mass marketing, focus group driven monster.

The only hard game I've played in the last 10 years was contra4 on the ds.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on November 22, 2008, 12:35:16 am
http://xxkittxx.deviantart.com/art/RockStar-104235089

PIXELART STEALER!

 :yell:
Angry, that is what I am.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 22, 2008, 12:36:32 am
http://xxkittxx.deviantart.com/art/RockStar-104235089

PIXELART STEALER!

 :yell:
Angry, that is what I am.

link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on November 22, 2008, 01:51:26 am
Yeah, a lot of bethesda's robot-people scare the hell out of me. Especially when you begin talking to someone who isn't already facing you and they slooooooowly turn their head to look at you while speaking. Though it isn't as bad as oblivion (one of the reasons I only played oblivion for two hours then dropped it) it's still rather unnerving.

I've actually gone back and started playing fallout 2, just for experience' sake, and I like that fallout 2 gives you little to no inclination as to what skills will help you where. There's no {intelligence} "That looks like a sub-atomic particle cannon!", you've somewhat gotta think for yourself and figure out what skill you should be using where.

Don't understand the point of the {skill} tags in fallout 3 anyways, it just de-mystifies the game by telling you that your character can only do this because of the numerical value of his intelligence stat... as opposed to your character can do this beacuse of any number of mysterious things. Not that realism in games is always something to strive for, but it seemed to mechanize the characters even further, which doesn't seem to serve a positive purpose.

At least the tagged conversation options weren't always good ones.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 22, 2008, 02:16:31 am
http://xxkittxx.deviantart.com/art/RockStar-104235089

PIXELART STEALER!

 :yell:
Angry, that is what I am.

Checked the profile of the dude and the gallery. I do not see the problem. It's all fighter sprite rips but he tells where they are from and does not pretend he made em. Lame but not a thief as such.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on November 22, 2008, 11:16:24 am
Fallout 3 is amazing. I've spent close to 40 hours on it so far and basically gotten nowhere in the main quest. The only thing that's disappointing me is the level cap. Seriously, I'm on 16 now, I'll have maxed before I even pick up the main quest again, and I don't like when I'm not able to develop my character any further. I hear there's a mod that slows down the rate at which you level.. I think I'll pick that up before my next playthrough.

Because that's the positive side of such a low cap. You're forced to play it over and over again to try out different things. Not like Oblivion where you eventually end up with practically all your stats maxed.

I feel a lot like I'm playing Oblivion when I'm playing F3. But it's just better in every way. The gameplay mechanics, aside from VATS and shooting, feel a lot like Oblivion, but the gameplay itself feels much more streamlined, the setting is more interesting and better designed, skills are more unique and useful, enemies actually have some variety to them, and the quests and dialogs are infinitely more intricate. There are so many dialog options everywhere, I love it! It's also neat that the main quest is slightly open, also. I've been trying to stay away from it, like I did with Oblivion, especially since the game ends when the main quest is over. I thought I could just keep away from the dude in Megaton and I'd be fine. But many hours later, I stumble upon some tapes that reveal the name of the place my dad went off to. And later, I just stumble upon that location, completely involuntarily. I think I've skipped several parts of the main quest. And it's nice that you can do that! Especially since I can do it the long way with my next character and experience something completely different.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 22, 2008, 02:58:17 pm
What do you think, are mobile phone games going out of fashion? I've seen very few mobile game ads recently. Apparently iPhone is gaining popularity as a gaming platform, but what about the other phones?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on November 22, 2008, 04:43:40 pm
   I guess the question is did Mobile phone games ever round up a hardcore fan base? I think the answer is no. I think mobile games are so restricted due to it's technical limitations, that most realize they can play games on another handheld system, that's made purely for games, with less limitations, making for better animation, and graphics. People understand that a tiny cell phone can't hold all that info, so games are mostly casual on it, in my opinion. Not to mention, no one has done much ground breaking in terms of game play and whatnot, nor has a company gained mega status as "the best" game developer with cell phone games(save for better graphics, with better hardware and software on the cellphone). Just another outlet to play the game, that's all. I believe they will remain casual, but not go out of fashion...hope this made any sort of sense.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 22, 2008, 05:25:23 pm
My 1 professional pixel job was for a cell phone company and let me tell you, working on cell phone games programatically are sometimes more difficult than working on a ds or psp game due to the vast # of handsets you have to program and test on. Every single platform has small code changes that have to be addressed and tested. Cell phone game development, in general, doesn't make enough money to support itself. Most companies have a main gimic like ringtones that they sell to support the game side of things.

Just my take :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on November 23, 2008, 06:10:26 am
http://www.thelocal.se/7650/ (http://www.thelocal.se/7650/)

This lies somewhere between awful and funny.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 23, 2008, 09:02:24 am
http://www.thelocal.se/7650/ (http://www.thelocal.se/7650/)

This lies somewhere between awful and funny.

Well, there's a character for Helm's next comic. ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 23, 2008, 09:18:50 am
No I detest this person too much to attempt to humanize the condition around him. Heavy Metal gave me strength and dignity and he claims it gave him addictions and incapacity. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 23, 2008, 11:04:13 am
maybe he can be friends of your sadistic jokes guy :p
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 23, 2008, 11:08:19 am
heh I can't even make any more Bernard Chrome comics, bad taste in mouth.

I'm not cut out to be an internet lol awful person I guess.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Batzy on November 23, 2008, 11:28:29 am
Anyone seen a muscle squirrels around  ???
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/sliktrix77/muscle-squirrel.jpg  ;D (Googled it)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 23, 2008, 02:16:21 pm
 :-\ Pretty sure I saw something like that in a jRPG once.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 24, 2008, 09:59:08 am
Finally we are getting some snow.
Pretty cold, but looks nice.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 24, 2008, 10:09:39 am
We had some snow over the weekend, but it does not last.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 24, 2008, 11:26:18 am
It looks like the insides of a snowglobe outside @ w@;,

Quote junkboy: "Whoever decided to give stockholm a shake?"
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 24, 2008, 11:46:09 am
Same here.. I had trouble opening the front door of my flat this morning because there was so much snow piled up against it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 24, 2008, 02:42:07 pm
http://www.thelocal.se/7650/ (http://www.thelocal.se/7650/)

This lies somewhere between awful and funny.

It's funny but only because my taxes aren't paying for his concert tickets. Sorry to you swedes.  :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 24, 2008, 06:30:43 pm
Your taxes pay for the biggest war-machinery in the world \o/
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 24, 2008, 08:13:37 pm
I'm already nearly finished with my Secret Santa .____.
I'm usually a guy that finishes everything last minute but I actually nearly have it done already  :huh:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 24, 2008, 08:48:01 pm
Heh awesome.
I started sketching a couple of things, but not sure what to go with yet.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on November 24, 2008, 10:17:21 pm
I've got quite a lot down already, but i'll probably redo it later. I'm excited, i like having reasons to make stuff.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 24, 2008, 11:55:19 pm
I'm pretty pumped about  my partner. Question though, the person making my present isn't the person I'm making a present for, right? So if I was making a present for Lar, he may be making a present for Pep or someone thats not me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on November 24, 2008, 11:59:02 pm
indeed.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skamocore on November 25, 2008, 12:52:53 am
@Opacus: D: same...it's still very WIPish, but I don't think I'm that far from finishing  :B
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 25, 2008, 07:15:42 am
I'm pretty pumped about  my partner. Question though, the person making my present isn't the person I'm making a present for, right? So if I was making a present for Lar, he may be making a present for Pep or someone thats not me.

No closed partners (as in A pixelling for B, and B pixelling for A), everyone is chained instead (A pixels for B, B pixels for C, C pixels for D etc etc... and Z pixel for A)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mirre on November 25, 2008, 10:18:57 am
I'm pretty pumped about my partner too! ;)

Though, the person who got me just PM'ed me to tell me they got me... a bit stumped about that. :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 25, 2008, 11:56:58 am
I'm pretty pumped about my partner too! ;)

Though, the person who got me just PM'ed me to tell me they got me... a bit stumped about that. :(

Wow, that's super lame D:

Totally defeats the whole purpose ):
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 25, 2008, 03:32:11 pm
That really sucks...
It won't go unpunished  :-\

*Goes on rage mode*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on November 26, 2008, 01:35:51 pm
Your taxes pay for the biggest war-machinery in the world \o/

That's not true, our hard-earned tax dollars don't even cover a FRACTION of the cost!

(yeah, bit of a kamikaze comeback there...)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 27, 2008, 05:01:58 am
Your taxes pay for the biggest war-machinery in the world \o/

That's not true, our hard-earned tax dollars don't even cover a FRACTION of the cost!

(yeah, bit of a kamikaze comeback there...)

Hahaha XD
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on November 29, 2008, 06:48:29 pm
Gettin married in 7 hours, a years worth of planning finally becoming a production, wish me luck :)  :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: leroy on November 29, 2008, 08:12:16 pm
You're gonna need it.  ;D :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 29, 2008, 11:30:42 pm
Haha, that depends, but yup, good luck and have a great time : D!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 29, 2008, 11:38:04 pm
Gettin married in 7 hours, a years worth of planning finally becoming a production, wish me luck :)  :lol:
Ah that's awesome. Good luck and have fun!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 29, 2008, 11:56:02 pm
Good luck! ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gizmonicgamer on November 30, 2008, 04:58:23 am
Quote
http://www.thelocal.se/7650/
Augh, that disgusts me. He is a disgrace to metal music in all of its form.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 30, 2008, 09:18:20 am
Gettin married in 7 hours, a years worth of planning finally becoming a production, wish me luck :)  :lol:
good luck and congratulations :)
be sure to remember the date :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on November 30, 2008, 02:35:06 pm
Gettin married in 7 hours, a years worth of planning finally becoming a production, wish me luck :)  :lol:

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 02, 2008, 07:19:09 am
Hum.. I'm changing work place. Previously I worked in the same company with Huzba, but in a mindbogglingly traitorous manner I switched to an enemy company. I'll be doing Habbo graphs from now on. Oh no! ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on December 02, 2008, 07:26:32 am
Eegads! Well, good luck making graphics for the enemy, traitor. Maybe you can make a difference in their terrible terrarium of terror.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on December 02, 2008, 07:46:50 am
I've already set up an altar for damning his soul to eternal hell.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 02, 2008, 02:24:41 pm
Looks like Hell will be an awful lot like James Cameron's prophesied future.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 02, 2008, 06:51:30 pm
Eegads! Well, good luck making graphics for the enemy, traitor. Maybe you can make a difference in their terrible terrarium of terror.

I don't think I have much power over that. I'll have to do my best within the guide lines. Still, the 2007 revamped version looks better than the old one.

Looks like Hell will be an awful lot like James Cameron's prophesied future.

I'm not scared though.. I have this lil' fella on my side (spot the reference):

(http://ungroup.net/jjntemp/digikuvia/primal_pixels.gif)

I'm a powerful demonic force!
I'm the harbinger of your doom!
And the forces of darkness will applaud me
as I STRIDE through the gates of hell carrying your head on a pike!

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on December 02, 2008, 07:36:35 pm
Stride?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on December 02, 2008, 07:38:17 pm
What a cute little harbinger of doom...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 02, 2008, 07:39:48 pm
Stride?

(http://ungroup.net/jjntemp/digikuvia/primal_pixels.gif)

Alright then, I'll ROLL! ROLL through the Gates of Hell! MWAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on December 02, 2008, 11:15:20 pm
(http://ungroup.net/jjntemp/digikuvia/primal_pixels.gif)
Alright then, I'll ROLL! ROLL through the Gates of Hell! MWAHAHAHA!

Reminds me a lot of Murray from Monkey Island :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPd2F3lDK0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPd2F3lDK0)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 03, 2008, 06:52:45 am
Reminds me a lot of Murray from Monkey Island :D

That's correct, Murray was the best thing in MI3.  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 05, 2008, 08:57:41 pm
Anyone here have mirrors edge?

I think I'll have to get a 360 because it looks too awesome to pass up
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on December 07, 2008, 07:10:10 pm
Anyone here have mirrors edge?

I think I'll have to get a 360 because it looks too awesome to pass up

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/457-Mirrors-Edge
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on December 07, 2008, 09:38:41 pm
Anyone here have mirrors edge?

I think I'll have to get a 360 because it looks too awesome to pass up

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/457-Mirrors-Edge


Blumunkee = Pkmays?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 08, 2008, 05:23:32 am
ugh yahtzee... I really hope no one takes him seriously.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on December 08, 2008, 05:32:57 am
Hahaha, why?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 08, 2008, 05:40:54 am
I enjoy his videos, but I absolutely do not value his opinion.
Much like the angry video game nerd, he can pick perfectly fine games and exaggerate minor flaws while ignoring everything positive.

I find his No More Heroes 'review' to be the most respectable, because he accepts the flaws in the game, but points out that there is a lot of unique and original ideas that make it all worth it.
However, I mainly think the only reason he judged that game fairly was because there was no major fanbase behind it that he could score off.

Long story short, he's just another cynical video game troller, albeit with a sense of humor
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on December 08, 2008, 07:06:08 am
Anyone here have mirrors edge?

I think I'll have to get a 360 because it looks too awesome to pass up

I just played it through on 360 and it was great! I know it divides opinions but personally I thought that the gameplay and the atmosphere were really good and I didn't get frustrated in the few parts of the game where you had to do trial and error a few times. They were only minor inconvenients in otherwise excellent game. I think it's on my one of the year's best games list :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on December 08, 2008, 08:08:33 am
This is what: If you can give a good review of No More Heroes, you are never again entitled to ciricize gameplay and pacing flaws in any other game. Ever! ):<


MAN, no more heroes made me FURIOUS with its goddamn 'overworld' segments. Seriously, the motorcycle physics made me want to kill people.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 08, 2008, 09:45:47 am
it's hard to separate the hype from the experience though, isn't it? I mean, would the people that love Mirror's Edge besides the flaws mentioned love it as much if they haven't been subconsciously bombarded with hype about it for 6 months? Would Takam be saying that he'll buy a whole new console just to play a flawed game on it? Something being reasonably fun to play shouldn't be the only rule governing ones' purchases, should it? If it adds up to an original experience, if it leaves something positive in you and last but not least if you can afford it, these things should count also, right? We don't have to consume every videogame that comes out.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 08, 2008, 02:52:09 pm
I was excited about Mirror's Edge originally because of the art direction, from the first preview before the hype set in... so yes in some ways I was doomed to like it. But I think the reason it divides people so much is that it's very much a hard-core game, it has nothing that even hints at casual design. Just like the games of yore, pretty much everything can kill you, and it's not always "fair" in that you don't get big bright red flashing warnings every time you're about to do something stupid. You will be consistently thrown into areas where the only clue is where you have to get to (usually 5 stories up a sheer wall). The same fricken enemy will kill you a dozen times and then laugh in your face. In fact there are numerous places where you will get stuck and extremely frustrated and throw your controller and howl obscenities. And then you beat those areas and you spend the next five minutes mocking your TV because you outwitted it. There is a story somewhere in there but it's completely superfluous and the developers knew it because it really only exists to disguise the loading screens.

In fact for all of these reasons it's the closest anyone has come to the old 8- and 16-bit platformers. If you liked those old games you will love this one. If you're accustomed to having any kind of hand-holding or extra non-essential fluff you will play it for five minutes and give up. I think this is the reason it's dividing people so much and personally I think it's great. Usually you only get this kind of controversy in an indie title.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 08, 2008, 03:24:10 pm
Quote
There is a story somewhere in there but it's completely superfluous and the developers knew it because it really only exists to disguise the loading screens.

This however, really makes me want to throw up, considering how heavy-handed the intro is and who it was written by and like what it was hyped. Do you appreciate your videogames talking down on you even if their gameplay is good? GO play Nikujin or other ikiki games for modern-day 8-bit type platform games with modern touches and do not cut any slack to Mirror's Edge for what it does wrong just because it kills you a lot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 08, 2008, 04:22:30 pm
What can I say, 360 and PS3 games are usually much lower on my radar, but if the jumping physics in Little Big Planet weren't so terrible I'd probably be considering a PS3 too.

It's just that everything about Mirrors Edge appeals to me, I love the elegant and complex movement, I love the music, I love the art style, and I love speed running.
I'm sure mirrors edge has it's flaws, but plenty of games I've enjoyed have flaws.
No More Heroes is another controversial game full of flaws, the flaws only added to the surreal atmosphere if you ask me, and to be perfectly honest I would find the game less interesting without them.

Plus my brother's selling his 360 to me for cheap.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 08, 2008, 06:24:52 pm
I'm with TakaM on this one... it's not a flawless game but it is an important game, and what's more it's a fun game. I don't like to judge things based on hype because the creators have no control over how their project is advertised. If I only played perfect games I'd have stopped playing them after Link to the Past.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on December 08, 2008, 07:48:57 pm
I haven't played much yet, but so far i really like Mirror's Edge. I like games where the level is very prominently presenting itself as your adversary. To me the presentation of the story is just right. A simple backdrop to your action that doesn't stuff itself down your throat or get in the way of the game, yet brings some purpose to what you're doing. Like in Megaman X there's a backstory, not much, but enough to make the world seem more tangible. The design of the levels, the music and small tidbits of story all pulling the same rope goes a long way, as opposed to how many recent games have badly separated all it's elements which only makes them feel alien to each other. I'n Mirror's Edge i often get the urge to do things the freerunning way instead of just climbing stairs as you would normally... it's amazingly fun. It's not really a game that you should play in very long sessions, more like a few tackles at a level after work to wind off type of thing.
The fun i get from the game is similar to playing a speedrun in megaman or pulling off a perfect lap in a racing game.

I haven't been following the hype much, but seeing how it's an EA published game I'm sure there's an overabundance of SELLING involved.

To me Nikujin and ME are very similar and you're going to have to cut them both some slack for the reasons Ben mentioned if you're used to a lot of hand holding.
The only problem here i can think of is how ME is marketed and I'm sure it causes confusion.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 08, 2008, 09:32:17 pm
If I enjoy a game, I enjoy a game. I don't try to force myself to enjoy it because of hype or such. Twilight Princess was considered seriously overhyped, but I still had an enjoyable time with it. I'm not going to pretend the game was fun just because of hype -- that's pretty dumb to let hype skew my real opinion of a game.

Also, it's funny you mention the physics of Little Big Planet, TakaM. I haven't played the game personally, but what I've seen of the game suggests the jumping is very, very 'floating'... not my kind of thing. But like I said, I haven't played it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Luzeke on December 09, 2008, 08:55:36 am
I've had Little Big Planet for about three weeks now (bought the lbp+ps3 bundle  :D ) and I can say this, it is a good game. Very good actually. I don't have internet access at home yet so I can't say anything about the online experience, but I have played it with three other friends localy and I find it hard to imagine not finding anything about that experience that you wouldn't like. Sure there are some issues with the game, but these are mainly minor issues and not worth getting riled up for (if you ask me, which you didn't).
The depth changing issue is annoying when it occurs, but I've found it occurs very rarely when playing well designed levels, like most of the ones that come on the disc.

The camera can do some annoying choices when playing multiplayer, but mostly that's because someone is dragging behind.

Now the 'floaty' controls... I actually don't have any gripe with it. It just something to get accustomed to. I love platformers and know just as well as anyone else who does that faulty controls kills a game.
I played through Overlord and Tomb Raider Legend with a control delay of up to a second (freaking vista). And that's way worse than 'floaty' controls, but I still had an enjoyable time playing.

 :)

EDIT// Also, don't go into edit mode with three friends unless you've decided what to do... that is to say if you don't want total chaos...  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 09, 2008, 03:11:44 pm
Gentlemen, I bestow the very last build of Twinsen:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hegswx

We have recently come to the decision to start a new original game rather than restricting ourselves with a fangame.
So please, check out the current build, I'm still very much interested in feedback because things will still be similar in our new game.
Just don't bother mentioning flaws or glitches, we already have them all (no, I'm not being cocky here, we seriously have them all  :P) well documented and will not be working on them anymore.

So yeah, so long twinsen :(
I didn't know Twinsen was based on an already existing(though what looks to be terrible...) game.
Are you a fan of the series and is this a fan-game?

(http://www.games.lt/w/gbox/3947.jpg)
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/7/573157_12406_front.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 09, 2008, 03:16:50 pm
LBA 1 at least is not a terrible game at all, it's in fact quite nice, if quirky. At least if memory serves.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 09, 2008, 06:41:10 pm
Yah, I'm a big fan and Twinsen was a fangame, which is partly why we've canceled it :P

The Little Big Adventure games may look terrible by todays standards, but they're still great games
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 09, 2008, 07:14:55 pm
Yah, I'm a big fan and Twinsen was a fangame, which is partly why we've canceled it :P

The Little Big Adventure games may look terrible by todays standards, but they're still great games
I guess I'll have to try them out. I've never actually heard of the game until I stumbled across it in a list on gamefaqs.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on December 09, 2008, 07:37:50 pm
There are some Twinsen speed runs on SDA; looks entertaining.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/LittleBigAdventure.html
http://speeddemosarchive.com/LittleBigAdventure2.html

Blumunkee = Pkmays?

Yar. Forgot my password, and I decided I like my old username better. Incidentally, I also decided to go back to using my first name Preston, after some 10 odd years of using my hipper middle name Kyle.

http://www.jeuxvideo.fr/king-fighters-xii-combo-images-actu-243060.html

Hooray for 2D. There seems to be too much banding going on in most of the sprites, but the animations are relatively smooth looking.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on December 09, 2008, 08:59:45 pm
Cool, I already wondered where you went!
Welcome back :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on December 09, 2008, 09:12:45 pm
Preston, Kyle?

P K mays? : D I see a connection here!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 10, 2008, 04:25:56 am
Welcome back, blumunkee. Please don't run away all the time, I need you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: flaber on December 11, 2008, 12:02:31 am
question:
There was a special effect someone outlined here once upon a time on how to do.
Giving an image, scan lines? Where you take your finished imaged and break it down into horizontal bars, with 2 images. You slightly offset the colors or so for the horizontal bars on each image, and when compiled it looked, holographic i think?
Cant quite remember who did it, or what they called it.
anyone have any recollection of this?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on December 11, 2008, 05:11:49 am
st0ven had it in his tutorials. it was called interlacing. and a mirror of it can be found here (http://www.geocities.com/skulkraken2002/) under Samurai > Raven's tuts > interlacing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: flaber on December 11, 2008, 09:00:15 am
perfect.
thats exactly what i was looking for.
thanks
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on December 12, 2008, 10:45:36 am
Does anyone here have Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia?
Now am I the only one who thinks that the walkcycle of the maincharacter is total garbage? (google won't spit it out, sorry)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on December 12, 2008, 05:58:05 pm
It's floaty but I think it's decent. Floaty seems the standard of Castlevania walk cycles anyways. It's a lot better than some of the previous games, aria of sorrow was the worst I think, It looked like Soma was doing the hustle.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 12, 2008, 07:30:41 pm
Castlevania games always tend to have very slow walk cycles that don't tend to match their actual movement across the ground.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on December 12, 2008, 09:01:31 pm
I guess the reasoning would be that they wanted the walk cycle to be somewhat smooth and effortless, but they also wanted the character to move quite fast, so we have a strange end result. I think the first GBA castlevania had the guy running and it looked very comical, as if he was running for his life.

It might need some fundamental retooling to change it. Like changes in the world scale, movement speed, game speed, interaction frequency and so forth.
So if they changed just the walking animation to pants-on-fire-running to match the speed, it would look even weirder, cause the movement speed is quite fast.

I haven't done much character animations so that might be a good subject to study and see if there's a way to improve it. The whole thing might even be up to just them going with what the artists have accustomed to or bad habits.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on December 13, 2008, 12:52:22 am
That animation looks like a perfectly fitting walk with a few frames slapped on the extremes (to make it smoother I guess) which makes it look off.
To me, it looks like simply deleting those frames would already result in something more fitting.
Which is what makes this even more irritating, they destroyed a perfectly fine walking cycle.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 13, 2008, 06:37:50 pm
I could only find crappy youtube footage but it does sync up with the actual movement very poorly. There's any number of reasons for why this could have occured - maybe the artist never saw it in-game, maybe he was told to add frames to make it smoother by a producer who doesn't understand what makes a good animation. Or maybe the artist just copied the status quo - Symphony of the Night had a similar run cycle if I recall, and just as slide-tastic.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on December 13, 2008, 10:40:32 pm
So. Savage 2 (http://savage2.s2games.com/main.php) went and became free to download and play. Still some things that you can't have unless you pay, but they're measly little things like 2 extra inventory slots. All units and all maps on all servers are now available for anyone to play for free. If you haven't heard of it, it's a weird team based online action game with RPG and RTS influences. RPG because you can level up and gain gold with which to buy items in-game, but that stuff resets inbetween rounds. And RTS because, sort of like Battlefield but even more intricate, each team has a commander that can fly his magical camera across the map and place orders and build structures, unlocking a tech tree that allows the other players to choose new classes to play as.

So, I downloaded it again. I did play the beta a bit, started to learn what it's about, then my computer died, way back whenever. So far, I'm mostly confused. The learning curve is more of a learning wall. But I've still had a few of those genuine fun moments you only get in fairly large multiplayer games. And unlike most team based action games, the teams play really really differently, which is awesome. Humans are weak but versatile and have good long range attacks. Beasts are insanely powerful but a bit clumsy and sometimes too specific for their own good. It's pretty fun. Check it out if you want some free, hard to learn, multiplayer action.

Yay I'm a walking commercial...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on December 18, 2008, 06:32:16 pm
Hey all, back from the wedding/honeymoon stuff.

Just thought I'd stop in, say hi, and see whats new.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 19, 2008, 03:02:06 am
welcome back dogmeat :)


I bought Metroid Prime 3 for my brother (xmas) for close to $100 (how much games cost here) and this week they have it on sale for $30 >:(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 21, 2008, 01:33:21 pm
I am back as well. I check forums. Evildoers will be purged.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 21, 2008, 03:23:34 pm
I am back as well. I check forums. Evildoers will be purged.

Dude, I'd like to hear your take on the riots in Greece. The general public sympathises with the rioters, am I right?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on December 21, 2008, 03:43:59 pm
It's just my luck that as soon as I turn 16, the driving age in Pennsylvania is bumped up to 17.   :-\
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 21, 2008, 04:47:50 pm
I am back as well. I check forums. Evildoers will be purged.

Dude, I'd like to hear your take on the riots in Greece. The general public sympathises with the rioters, am I right?

Not easy to say. The general public is concerned about what it all means. Public unrest protests against authority of course but the resultant rage seems mismatched to a singular event. It seems steam has been building over a lot of things and now that people remembered what they can do to show their distaste besides peaceful demonstration, they're giving it all they've got. Don't be surprised if the Greek government topples over this and some radical departure from 'safe politics' occurs. The only good we can expect from the current situation. It seems violence fans the flames, the anger will not diffuse. We will see where this leads and what it means. People interested in global politics are paying attention because this might as well might serve as a reference point for similar riots & fallouts in other countries in the immediate future. I hesitate to close with some sort of one-liner like 'Capitalism cannot eat its tail indefinitely', but I we will just wait and see I guess.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 21, 2008, 06:31:12 pm
This thing started almost immediately after me reading your blog rant about the editors adding porn implements to the mag you used to draw to some years back. Apparently even porn wasn't enough of circuses and bread then.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 21, 2008, 06:47:10 pm
Yeah I can't really say if this violence will end in some focus, my brief life hasn't offered much to be optimistic about (as far as I remember, things have been getting worse - I mean, geopolitically, not in my personal life) so my hopeful parts inside me seem rusty. I find it very odd that I wish for something positive out of people setting banks and cars on fire and clashing with the police but... at least something is happening now? I hope I don't have to eat all my words later. And what I really fear against is that this will end in the usual apathy because if it does it'll be even worse due to the damaging of private property.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on December 22, 2008, 03:29:17 pm
The "Generic 16 color palette (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=4306.100)" - What a shame that this thread never had a conclusion, it just kinda faded. It was a great community initiative.

Feels like it should be finished and not forgotten. Lot of time spent here playing around with challenges and such, why not focus more energy into things like this that lend to the development of pixeling itself?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 24, 2008, 02:07:48 pm
Merry xmas guys, hope you and yours have a great time :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on December 25, 2008, 05:09:09 am
WE've had eight minutes of christmas in new york city, and here's a happy one to all :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mirre on December 25, 2008, 10:00:04 am
Meryy Christmas everyone! Hope you have a great one. :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on December 25, 2008, 05:23:18 pm
Merry Christmas everyone  :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on December 25, 2008, 11:52:54 pm
God Jul!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on December 26, 2008, 01:47:54 am
Merry Christmas :) I got some unexpected stuff this year, but is' all great. :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on December 26, 2008, 03:17:36 am
I hope everyone had a good day.  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on December 27, 2008, 05:51:09 am
Merry late Christmas everyone!

Here's hoping you got what you wanted. :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on December 29, 2008, 04:16:26 pm
Happy solstice  ;D   :P

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423756 for anyone that cares about the whole firefox anti-aliased zooming issue, please vote here!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 31, 2008, 09:42:57 pm
happy new years indeed.

New Paul Robertson video :y: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OWeBFYrHk&fmt=18)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rosse on January 01, 2009, 07:26:22 am
Happy new year followers of the way of the pixel, may those find new inspiration and bravery in the new year whose strength is to small to find it every new day.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Doomcreator0 on January 01, 2009, 07:51:37 am
Any resolutions from the lot of you?  ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dr D on January 01, 2009, 09:16:32 am
Happy new years, everyone! Some of my resolutions are: reach a personal goal level of pixel-art and art, in general that I am satisfied with, by the end of the year. Get outside more... Work-out more. =P

All of these until I'm satisfied with myself, by the end of the year of course.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on January 01, 2009, 03:01:33 pm
My resolution is to force myself to draw every day, even when I'm in that awful creativity slump.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 01, 2009, 03:24:01 pm
Any resolutions from the lot of you?  ;D

Yes. Nothing is real, everything is permitted.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Blick on January 01, 2009, 11:42:20 pm
No resolutions this year. Already quit smoking two months ago, woot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 02, 2009, 02:33:47 am
a bee stung my foot



2009 sucks
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on January 03, 2009, 02:41:04 am
happy new years indeed.

New Paul Robertson video :y: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OWeBFYrHk&fmt=18)

is he sponsored or is that his entry into some kind of contest?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 05, 2009, 02:52:14 pm
My resolution was, is, and always will be

320x240
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on January 07, 2009, 12:08:50 pm
Why on earth is there no topic listed under 'Show unread posts since last visit.' every time I newly log on here?
That kinda also happened years ago and it's still not fixed?
It has been some weeks since I've been here so there has to be new posts and stuff.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on January 07, 2009, 07:04:01 pm
Why on earth is there no topic listed under 'Show unread posts since last visit.' every time I newly log on here?
That kinda also happened years ago and it's still not fixed?
It has been some weeks since I've been here so there has to be new posts and stuff.

I just tried it and it seems to have worked for me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on January 07, 2009, 08:22:36 pm
The forum says that it's 03:44 but all the clocks in my house say it's 3:22  D:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 07, 2009, 10:14:43 pm
yeah something about the clock atm is sorta fail
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 07, 2009, 10:27:14 pm
The server clock was off when I last put the offset in, seems it is ok now. The clock is GMT on purpose tho.

For those who don't know, you can set your custom offset in your profile under look and layout preferences.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on January 07, 2009, 10:33:54 pm
At first I thought it was my settings, but then I remembered that the offsets only came in hours, not minutes, so I figured it couldn't possibly be that.  :-\

thanks ptoing!

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 08, 2009, 10:14:45 pm
Would any of you guys be interested in a sorta restrictive frame count animation challenge?

We haven't had an activity for a while, and it'd be interesting to see if a competent 3 frame walk cycle is possible
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dogmeat on January 08, 2009, 10:55:10 pm
Hey all,

I learned on the net that some have ported AmigaOS 4 to macbooks. Unfortunately, I can't find any info about purchasing amigaos anywhere, has anyone done this before? AmigaOS on a macbook? If so, let me know if you can help out with any info. I have a macbook that I'm just dying to use for pixeling.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on January 09, 2009, 08:42:36 am
Would any of you guys be interested in a sorta restrictive frame count animation challenge?

I'd totally be in for this!

I have a macbook that I'm just dying to use for pixeling.

You can pixel using a mac ??? I usually use Pixen.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 12, 2009, 03:14:37 am
If no one has seen:
http://pixeljoint.com/2009/01/11/2722/FF3_image_filter_switch.htm

Apparently there is going to be a patch in FF3 that disables image blur.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 13, 2009, 03:01:35 pm
???

 :huh:

 :o

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 13, 2009, 03:09:09 pm

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

I like the visual illusion in this, it seems the get progressively lower, but they're all on the same pixel row.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 13, 2009, 04:39:02 pm
indeed.

 :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:

and them fuckers go up!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on January 13, 2009, 05:26:20 pm
Wow, two administrators spamming smileys.  :lol:
Never noticed that before. cool.

 :angel:  :angel:  :angel:  :angel:  :angel:  :angel:  :angel:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on January 13, 2009, 10:46:36 pm
truth is that they actually make the REST OF THE FORUM tilt.

Dangit snake. You'll make the forum fall over ): with your balance-upsetting smilies
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 14, 2009, 11:41:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8JrsnpWUSw
 :hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on January 14, 2009, 01:01:22 pm
(http://www.bloganything.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/the_moon_vs_an_elephant_jpg-small.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 14, 2009, 02:19:30 pm
truth is that they actually make the REST OF THE FORUM tilt.

Dangit snake. You'll make the forum fall over ): with your balance-upsetting smilies

We must stop this madness before the smilies plunge off the edge of the forum into the nebulous abyss below!


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Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on January 14, 2009, 03:08:32 pm
Evil smiley is causing this!
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Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on January 17, 2009, 03:21:38 pm
Hey,

have you ever thought LEGO is a male thing?

http://www.joemonster.org/article.php?sid=10629 (http://www.joemonster.org/article.php?sid=10629)

Actually, the guy who did them is kinda nuts. SEE! (http://www.joemonster.org/art/10635/Jean_Yves_LeMoigne_fotograf_niepowazny)

I'm really into it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on January 17, 2009, 08:49:15 pm
Those legos are cool.

Someone emailed me this (http://www.mominis.com/) site, in case anyone else is interested. I don't know if I'll finish a game or not, but the editor they've made looks fairly simple and easy to use. If you've got a weekend and a unique idea, it could be pretty fun, plus the prizes and exposure for winning aren't very shabby either.  :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 17, 2009, 09:08:43 pm
It looks almost like mosaic'ed porn. The legos, that is.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 18, 2009, 03:39:40 am
I highly doubt those are real legos. It could be filtered posermodels or photos or whatever.

And now something TOTALLY unrelated.

Just managed to 1 credit the first loop of Dodonpachi \o/
(http://www.ptoing.net/ddpwoo.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on January 18, 2009, 06:24:36 am
That's quite impressive Ptoing. Going for the second loop? ::) Also: joystick, gamepad, or keyboard?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 18, 2009, 07:20:43 am
I have seen the second loop with using savestates and it is not pretty. I can manage to play it up to level 3 or something like that if I have 2 or so lives left. That would get my score to something like 70+ mil tho. Getting to loop 2 wont be that hard with a bit more practise. Seeing as I only need 50mil points to get there, which is doable if I do not bomb up until the 4th boss, and very doable if I manage to not bomb at the 4th boss either. In theory I can kill all the first 5 bosses without bombing, meaning I have done it a few times on each boss. The 6th one is a total asshole tho and I have to bombspam him on some of his patterns. I am not a great DDP player by any measure :D

And gamepad, Sega Saturn one to be precise.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 18, 2009, 11:23:16 am
Congrats, man! That's amazing!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on January 20, 2009, 07:13:45 am
http://www.devorahsperber.com/

I came across this working on an assignment for my sculpture class. Cool stuff.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on January 21, 2009, 02:36:13 am
so i just realized I have 'picture book syndrome' when it comes to reading forums.  Whenever I visit one on a subject on anything non-art related, I get frusted that they dont explain their ideas visually, and breeze over areas with important information simply because i'm not seeing a picture.  Like today I was searching for 3d vector mathematics help for programming, and I had to draw down what they were saying visually before I realized the importance of it.  Damn pixelation's visual critiquing awesomeness.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on January 23, 2009, 07:53:36 am
i want to make a 2d console rpg where the goal is, after realizing he is in a game, helping the main character transcend his reality.   :hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on January 23, 2009, 08:58:19 pm
I like the idea, Rydin. In what way would you transcend his reality?

Kinda reminds me of Kidd Radd. I think I'll go read it again.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 24, 2009, 05:27:19 am
does he have free will or is he controlled by the player?  is his consciousness framed by the logic of our world and our perception of reality (as it must if he is properly our creation), or does it exist autonomously within an unknown set of parameters related to but unique from our own?  is his transcendence of his "reality" as you've put it driven by a search for identity or understanding, or is it just to make magic like Neo?  to what extent does he properly exist, and in what realities, and what makes his existence, electrical impulses stored within a greater network (at least to our eyes), greater, different, lesser, than our own?  do we have the ability to destroy him if he is without physical form, yet bound within a construct of our design which has a physical form?  is it possible to destroy or interact with consciousness which exists only in our perception of it?  to what extent and in which manners does the power over a consciousness change or otherwise define our own?  what is the difference between a consciousness perceived within a construct and a consciousness perceived within our "real" society, aside from the basic formal presentation?

these are the sort of questions you'll get bombarded with when you throw out "transcend reality" and I think any of them could be equally as fun, insightful, profound, trite, or disengaging as the next, so I'm just throwing out a platform for you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 24, 2009, 05:26:11 pm
...and in the end the game character manages to convince the player that he's in fact the one whose actual real existence is in question, whose computer screen is a window to an actual, existing, ideal Platonic universe.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 24, 2009, 07:36:49 pm
Bleh, anyone seem to notice an influx of 'job' advertising via PM? At first it was flattering but now, and I mean no offense, it's getting kind of annoying. Isn't that what we have the job forums for?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 25, 2009, 07:13:56 am
they come and go, particularly if you post fresh work.  I get spikes every few months, usually after holidays - the best thing to do if you're not interested is to politely decline.  Most often you will have enough going on in your life that if you even begin to explain you and your potential employers will realize how legitimate your reasons for not taking extra work are, but without the awkward "hey that's the dick who never PMed me back" thing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 25, 2009, 07:28:21 am
Ya I try to. Though I tend to see I got a new PM, read it and say I'll get back to it later(for some reason, I never feel like replying to a PM when I first read it), but sometimes I forget.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 25, 2009, 11:07:39 pm
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7853/sciencevsreligiongg6.jpg) :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 25, 2009, 11:41:23 pm
hey look! a large group of people we don't generally understand, or even want to!  let's grossly overgeneralize them for a couple of lawls and pat ourselves on the back for pretending we're smarter for it!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on January 26, 2009, 12:26:49 am
That's pretty much how all humour works, though. Everybody makes fun of everybody. Probably doesn't need the "my name is religion" "my name is science" for the joke, though, it's a bit much.

The idea that irreligious people don't want to understand religious people sounds like overgeneralization to me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 26, 2009, 03:32:22 am
whoever wrote the comic or sympathizes with it clearly doesn't, and those are the only people I attempted to characterize - there's nothing broad about that and it certainly doesn't include the whole of irreligious people.  I can assume that most irreligious people are not, in fact, total twats, in the same way that most religious people don't believe in dragons, or anything close to it.  What frustrates me is that rather than simply poking fun at one or two extremes, it decided to include both entire groups, and helps to perpetuate the attitude that the two are mutually exclusive.  My general sense of things is that many (the majority) of scientists practice some form of faith and that many (an equal or even greater majority) of religious people put full faith in science as well.

if I posted a joke in which a black dude said "fuck you" because I stole his chicken and grits, the entire forum would rightly call me a jackass, because it's not "cool" to harmlessly tease black people about food tastes, but it's apparently ok to characterize anyone and everyone who believes in any "Religion" as completely retarded.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on January 26, 2009, 04:23:03 am
Possibly we've made the same error, then. Your response hit a bit close to home, for me. But I doubt that whoever-that-guy-is-who-made-that is making fun of you, actually. It's crude, but it picks at these beliefs, specifically:

-Reverence for old ideas over new ones (as "I've been here longer than you...").
-Unwilingness to see the things you believe in actually tested.

Aaand thes are positions that are reasonably common, and at odds with scientific principles, and probably worth being a dick about.
 
But then, the fact is he's got a character called RELIGION who is completely unlikable and believes vehemently in dragons, and that's totally crass and and it's pretty clear why that would bug you. But I don't think this is truly an attempt to characterise all religious people as that guy. But yeah, my general take from this thing is "whoever made that is kind of a dick but he's got a point", not "haha religion is for jerks."
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 26, 2009, 06:26:14 am
Oh no, what have I done. Religious discussion D:

Anyway, it IS overdrawn, tho I would rather say that the dragons are more of a metaphor for things you have no proof for. Plus there is actually more crazy shit than dragons going down in the bible. I pretty much agree with tocky here I have to say.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on January 26, 2009, 07:01:25 am
You're getting angry about someone with some half thought trough scribble because it characterizes two groups of people as being strictly one way or the other, and react by doing exactly the same...only you do it with very carefully premeditated thought.

I dont think that people should be forbidden from telling halfassed jokes, such as this one...I really doubt this was made and posted here to make the point that religious people is stupid, it's just a barely noteworthy statement that someone barely related to and felt like posting. You know, a joke.

You're not gonna educate anyone who actually thinks religion is stupid, and you're gonna turn off anyone who actually gets that this is not a wholly thought out joke, just a random scribble in paint...that probably was posted here without much thought either.

Allow people to say something you see as stupid, and then just say what you really think about it...if it's really so stupid you should be able to convince anyone who's actually permeable to what you got to say, not turn them off by pretending to stop people from being who they are.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on January 26, 2009, 07:17:07 am
Conceit, that whole post just now was worthless and dirisive.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on January 26, 2009, 08:07:54 am
OKAY point taken, post edited with now 5%  less 'derisiveness'

I just really dont like it when someone goes for the control angle, where the whole arguement is about what he should be 'allowed' to be said, that's bullshit. if you think it's stupid call it out and be done with it.

I dont go into the whole how much of a boo-boo the comic is because I think that would be really really pointless.

I dont think anyone is truly interested in the matter of superstition in religion and science, since this discussion is all about one side vs the other, characterstic of the typical internet masturbatory action of using other people as cues for spouting your own monologues and then end the discussion with "I didnt even intend to change my oppinion anyway"
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 08:12:27 am
The comic reminds me a bit of the metaphor Carl Sagan used in Demon Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark:


"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you.  Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself.  There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. 

I lead you to my garage.  You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely.  "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." 

And so on.  I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all?

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on January 26, 2009, 09:18:41 am
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Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 26, 2009, 09:52:27 am
http://www.konjak.org/index.htm

Well done konjak, a ton of fun to play :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 26, 2009, 10:18:17 am
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if I posted a joke in which a black dude said "fuck you" because I stole his chicken and grits, the entire forum would rightly call me a jackass, because it's not "cool" to harmlessly tease black people about food tastes, but it's apparently ok to characterize anyone and everyone who believes in any "Religion" as completely retarded.

A very big difference between the two is that someone is made black from the go but nobody is made Christian or Hindu or anything else (though religious fanatics would have you believe otherwise) and if they find that those beliefs are outmoded or anything else, they can drop them right then and there. You can't drop your skin color and all it entails. See, there is no 'racism' about ideas. Ideas are strong. They can take anything you throw at them. Their feelings don't get hurt. Don't get your feelings hurt in their place out of some sense of misplaced loyalty to an idea.

This isn't to say the comic is good or even very poignant for me and yeah I'm more interested myself in understanding religious people than painting a caricature of them most of the time (I know my black goat of the underworld posts I make sometimes might suggest otherwise, but I'm mainly just kidding). But, unlike by black people, I have been in my life mistreated and repressed by religious people and they've carried along world-wide atrocities in the names of their gods, so it's not 'sacred ground' for me. Crude, even completely tasteless jokes are fair play when children have died for your god. It's not the same as a completely coincidental skin color.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 26, 2009, 02:14:18 pm
I see that a common belief here is that religion = dragons and that convictions are not a defining characteristic, nor something to be offended for when it is attacked, let alone something to defend.  The second is a point I am willing to drop, but the first is entirely false.

I also see that anyone who takes the minority position here will have his words twisted.  Reread my posts : nobody but the author of the strip and people who completely agree with it is included.  And no, anybody who talks about dragons or getting swallowed by whales or such things as defining a faith - whether they believe in these things or not - do not properly represent or understand "religion" (as a whole) so to assert such a viewpoint is to be misguided.  Further, I never said anything about who should be allowed to post what.  I am anti-censorship and pro-discourse; i merely find the views presented in the comic and supported by some members of the community to be flawed.

Helm's post I will address separately, and not the arguments, which I found grounded, but the concept of religious murder : People who murder men and children in the name of god are filthy, filthy people who should not be identified with all other religious people because they violate the will of god in doing so, and twist it - I neither defend nor associate with such.  The Sixth Commandment as well as a myriad of other passages strictly forbid it*.  The USSR and China though were "atheist" states; my only point - let's not try and take a tally, and let's not say all religious people are crusaders and terrorists in the same way that I haven't suggested that all atheists are soviets.  On either "side" as well you'll find philanthropists, educators, civil protectors, and other people whose work has a certain expectation of good will (as well as those properly possessed of it).  And again, most of these people on one side are also the people on the other side because there are no sides to begin with between science and faith unless someone says there are.
However, you are right.  Religion is a choice and must be a choice else it is self-defeating.  A more appropriate comparison would be a comic which characterizes all police officers as wife-beaters.

*we can discuss the first book of Samuel, Angels in the House of Lot, and other less-than-comfortable passages from the bible in another place, if you desire.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 02:54:26 pm
To say that the comic is a flimsy allegory is giving it a lot of credit. The message is "Haha religious people are stupid because atheists know EVERYTHING ABOUT THE UNIVERSE EVER!"
This isn't even a halfway decent contribution to any discussion of atheism versus theism. It's more like the fat little kid who jumps in the middle of that conversation and just starts kicking everyone in the balls. It's the sort of thing that could only be concocted in an age of internet trolls.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 26, 2009, 03:04:44 pm
I see that a common belief here is that religion = dragons and that convictions are not a defining characteristic, nor something to be offended for when it is attacked, let alone something to defend.  The second is a point I am willing to drop, but the first is entirely false.

Please keep in mind that when discussing matters such as these words such as "entirely false" stand to incite more a drastic reaction than thoughtful reply. Nobody can say for sure what is right and what is false in the issues of morality and ultimately religious ontology and what have you. So for someone that is saying his words get twisted around please try to keep a tighter reign on your words. That is, if you are interested in a civil discussion and not in just carving a circle around you and stating the interior to be your ground. I for one, give you your ground willingly, don't call it right and what other people say false. There are on the point, very many people that self-identify with their deity on the level of the magical invisible dragon so who are you to sweep them under the rug because you happen to disagree in your more spiritualist (? I am assuming here) version of faith.

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I also see that anyone who takes the minority position here will have his words twisted.

On that note please stop persecuting yourself, you're not being more misunderstood than anybody else but actually telling people they should work harder to understand you is a surefire way to get them to react even more. If you are really misunderstood why don't you try "I'm sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough and I'll restate" instead of "read my posts again"? It puts the burden of being clear on you - where it rightly belongs imo. You're not writing a book where the reader can do nothing but re-read if he doesn't understand something, you're just discussing.

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Reread my posts : nobody but the author of the strip and people who completely agree with it is included.  And no, anybody who talks about dragons or getting swallowed by whales or such things as defining a faith - whether they believe in these things or not - do not properly represent or understand "religion" (as a whole) so to assert such a viewpoint is to be misguided.

There are many ways to look at religion.


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Helm's post I will address separately, and not the arguments, which I found grounded, but the concept of religious murder : People who murder men and children in the name of god are filthy, filthy people


Actually shouldn't we be more compelled from a christian point of view - such as yours - to understand and ultimately forgive these people for their actions? Isn't that the central idea of your faith? No human being is my enemy no matter what he was ever done (and I'm not even Christian) and I try to not call people filthy or wrong, although sometimes poking fun at them is sanity-saving.

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who should not be identified with all other religious people because they violate the will of god in doing so, and twist it - I neither defend nor associate with such.

Perhaps you should spend more time associating with them and not judging them before you defend your Christian faith so fervently on the internet.

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let's not try and take a tally, and let's not say all religious people are crusaders and terrorists in the same way that I haven't suggested that all atheists are soviets.

Please consider this argument:

1. Not all theists are murderers.
2. Not all atheists are murderers.
3. The motives of theists for murder might be spiritual or not.
4. The motives for atheists for murder are always not.

Therefore the spirituality of the theists might not account for all their murdering but it certainly accounts directly for some of it, and that some is plenty. Millions in fact.

I posit that a human being that has had to question divinity to the point where they no longer espouse any sect or established faith is less likely to murder for such abstract ideas. This is a relatively unfounded position and as such I'm willing to argue it, but let's not 'not keep a tally' please.

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However, you are right.  Religion is a choice and must be a choice else it is self-defeating.  A more appropriate comparison would be a comic which characterizes all police officers as wife-beaters.

Yes that comic would be a ridiculous one. Probably funny though!

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*we can discuss the first book of Samuel, Angels in the House of Lot, and other less-than-comfortable passages from the bible in another place, if you desire.

I'd rather not. My problem with God is not with how misunderstood his words are. It is an epistemological and ontological one. The universe I experience doesn't seem to allow for uncontrolled, eternal, super-powerful entities that create themselves and are not subject to thermodynamic laws so it's been many many years since I played the "let's pretend there is a God, then the book is wrong where it says....". The notion of a God, as it has been explained to me by those that seem to believe in him, is completely absurd. Their desires to believe in him are not and I sympathize because the world is really scary.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 03:06:06 pm
I see that a common belief here is that religion = dragons and that convictions are not a defining characteristic.

Political stances and tastes in art are also a defining characteristic of a person and for some reason it's allowed to criticize those, but not religion. Anything man made should be allowed to be criticized. Often in discussing religion there's no polite way of saying that have you been considering that you may have wasted your life believing in nonsense, but I don't think that should stop anyone discussing religion. If someone finds it offensive, so what?

I'm an agnostic myself because if I said I were an atheist it'd be reasonable to ask me to prove that God DOESN'T exist, which is impossible, so for practical reasons I just consider the existence of God to be very unlikely, simply because the universe seems to be operating perfectly well AS IF there was no God.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 03:21:27 pm
I'd rather not. My problem with God is not with how misunderstood his words are. It is an epistemological and ontological one. The universe I experience doesn't seem to allow for uncontrolled, eternal, super-powerful entities that create themselves and are not subject to thermodynamic laws so it's been many many years since I played the "let's pretend there is a God, then the book is wrong where it says....". The notion of a God, as it has been explained to me by those that seem to believe in him, is completely absurd. Their desires to believe in him are not and I sympathize because the world is really scary.

Helm correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be saying you'd find the concept of God more believable if he were subject to the laws of the system he programmed. If God exists and he created the physical universe (which I am a strong proponent for) then he would have to operate within a far bigger system than the physical universe. Otherwise everything would be God, or nothing would be God. So God could exist outside the universe and still effect it just as a computer programmer exists outside of an operating system.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 03:28:57 pm
So God could exist outside the universe and still effect it just as a computer programmer exists outside of an operating system.

That's another claim that can't be proved or disproved. However, if that were so, how would you know if he was God and not just a very highly evolved alien species? And who created the Creator?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on January 26, 2009, 03:40:12 pm
I don't see why there should be a requirement for a creator. If an infinitely unlikely event can watch upon itself, then it will.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 03:41:03 pm
So God could exist outside the universe and still effect it just as a computer programmer exists outside of an operating system.

That's another claim that can't be proved or disproved. However, if that were so, how would you know if he was God and not just a very highly evolved alien species? And who created the Creator?

This is where we get into claims of God revealing Himself which gets messy because that's where the real controversy is. If God exists we can only define him by experiencing his existence, and experiences can't necessarily be scientifically proven or disproven, but if you have had such an experience it is impossible for someone else to scientifically prove to you that you didn't.

As for who created the creator, we all have to accept that at some point the law of cause and effect was broken, whether you believe in God or not. What created the matter that created the big bang? And what created whatever made that matter? And so on and so on. Or, if you can accept that cause and effect can be traced infinitely backwards with no beginning, then surely God could be traced infinitely backwards as well, especially if the laws of cause and effect don't apply to him.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on January 26, 2009, 04:06:12 pm
Time is only required for our existence and the reason for it going forward is yet to be found (something to do with differences in the density of space and all kinds of things i don't understand), but we evolved into a forward moving time so that's why we experience it moving forward. In a sort of ouroboros sort of time axis everything exists in every possible form and we are a grain in that endless sea of possibilities. We sort of have no choice but to be.

A play on that thought would be like so: let's imagine that our universe is a pulsating one, it'll collapse on itself eventually, and that time does not end. That means our universe will "execute" itself in every way possible forever.

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This is where we get into claims of God revealing Himself which gets messy because that's where the real controversy is. If God exists we can only define him by experiencing his existence, and experiences can't necessarily be scientifically proven or disproven, but if you have had such an experience it is impossible to scientifically prove you didn't.
We are physical beings without a doubt, if something can have an effect on us, it can be measured. The experience of god can be internal and caused by none other than yourself. With enough time i can make myself believe that all cars are in fact transformers because that is a thought stampped into my mind in early childhood.
Also our happiness and fulfillment and such are very chemical reactions, our brains blessing us with some dopamine injections. It seems cold but I'm open to even displeasing information, not just things that feel profitable or good to me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 04:22:46 pm
Time is only required for our existence and the reason for it going forward is yet to be found (something to do with differences in the density of space and all kinds of things i don't understand), but we evolved into a forward moving time so that's why we experience it moving forward. In a sort of ouroboros sort of time axis everything exists in every possible form and we are a grain in that endless sea of possibilities. We sort of have no choice but to be.

A play on that thought would be like so: let's imagine that our universe is a pulsating one, it'll collapse on itself eventually, and that time does not end. That means our universe will "execute" itself in every way possible forever.

Then you agree that "who created the creator" is a red herring.

We are physical beings without a doubt, if something can have an effect on us, it can be measured.

If you say your grandpa asked you to buy a loaf of bread seconds before he died, can I scientifically prove otherwise? Even if I could would you believe me over your own experience?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 04:32:59 pm
On a side note I must say Ben raised excellent points and arguing with him is a pleasure. That's how it should go. I enjoy this whole God-science -argument and never feel a need to get offended... except when someone else uses the "offensiveness card" in order to stop the conversation.

If God exists we can only define him by experiencing his existence, and experiences can't necessarily be scientifically proven or disproven, but if you have had such an experience it is impossible for someone else to scientifically prove to you that you didn't.

Personal belief through personal revelation is fine by me. I have no issue with that as long as it remains personal and doesn't manisfest itself in the form of an organized religion or trying to justify ones actions by it. But if someone says this is so or this is how it must be done because God said so, all I can say is "Evidence please". Let's first establish the actual existence of a phenomena before we start discussing its merits.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 26, 2009, 04:36:08 pm
We are physical beings without a doubt, if something can have an effect on us, it can be measured.

Without a doubt? You sure? For all we know we could be a digital simulation. Think about how many simulations are running on our planet atm, run by men. It is concievable that we are the same on a grander scale. Just saying.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on January 26, 2009, 04:57:30 pm
Physical as described by the system we live in and where we collectively agree on it. So by physical i mean something that exists in the possible simulation and adheres to it's rules.
That's the words of my math teacher from high school when i asked something about why some equation is the way it is. Because of convention, because we agree that 1 = 1 and not something else.

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If you say your grandpa asked you to buy a loaf of bread seconds before he died, can I scientifically prove otherwise? Even if I could would you believe me over your own experience?
It's measurable when it happens, after that I'd have to go with my memory, or if you have some research data that would suggest that my grandpa didn't say anything to me, I'd mark the memory as compromised with the possibility of being untrue, providing you're a trustworthy person. To avoid extremes, I rather go with likely and less likely.

I have no reason to be skeptical for something like that really. Also if you swore you had a religious experience, I'd believe it must have been real for you, but look for the cause from something other than a god, since a lot of the time odd experiences have more reasonable causes. Also a skilled person can cause religious experiences in gullible people.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 26, 2009, 05:02:49 pm
If a person is not filthy, how can he be forgiven?  There's a difference between an acknowledgement of evil, or an alignment in support of evil, and the forsaking of it.  When I damn for their actions, you may critique the decision : that has not happened.

our only real experience is through observation and thought, which can equally substantiate the idea that physical reality is the only thing just as easily as the idea that physical reality does not exist.  We know only that our minds "are," physical or not, and from there it's conjecture based on experience (which may or may not be self generated etc).  Truth may exist clearly and physically, or it may exist only in our desire for it to.

in my perception of reality (lol), I believe in God.  People who believe in God are Religious.  I do not murder.  I do not believe in dragons or miracles.  Therefor, if someone says that religious people murder and believe in dragons and I do not, they are mistaken, the issue of dragons does not define religion as a whole and to say so is false.  From where i stand (and it may be subjective) that looks like math.

The issue at hand for me was never the idea that select Religious people worship dragons and say no to science, but the idea that we all do, and that it is central to a belief in God for all who feel themselves to be have such.
And I won't pretend that jokes about religion and science can't be funny : an hour ago my literary studies professor digressed to a poster of "darwin versus god" claiming the big showdown between a televangelist and a gorilla was to happen sunday sunday sunday at the staples center.  He thought it would be better with gabriel versus the monkey because gabriel has a sword and can fly.  I found the whole thing hilarious, mostly because it involved monkeys and a parody of WWF, because it didn't tell me that my faith necessarily involved a belief in televangelists or that gabriel would use his sword on a monkey.  A joke about Noah leaving behind the dinosaurs and unicorns is also funny, because it doesn't come out and say that I and all religious people believe firmly that Noah lived with dinosaurs.  In fact, if the players had been "I am science" and "I am a Biblical Literalist who believes in stories to which there definitive, contradictory evidence," I might have laughed.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 05:17:57 pm
 We know only that our minds "are," physical or not, and from there it's conjecture based on experience (which may or may not be self generated etc).  Truth may exist clearly and physically, or it may exist only in our desire for it to.

Would you say that an answer to the question "Does God exist?" is either "yes" or "no" or would you say it's subjective?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 26, 2009, 05:53:42 pm
Helm correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be saying you'd find the concept of God more believable if he were subject to the laws of the system he programmed.

The only comprehensive definition of a 'God' I've been offered so far (and I've asked a lot) is the one where he is infinite, created himself, is all-powerful, omnipotent, ever-present, benevolent creator watches over humanity, so forth. If you strip him of these abilities he's just a 'strong dude that made shit happen' with which I don't fundamentally have any thermodynamic differences, but he's not a divine entity, he doesn't offer answers to the primal questions (how it all starts, why it did, where do we go when we die etc). By making a 'God' entity more plausible you're just stripping it of its Godliness and therefore you're just inventing 'strong dudes' around in the universe. It's not as a big problem as inventing 'all-powerful dude #1' but it's still doesn't seem to be needed as it answers no questions. Your god that is the programmer to this operating system, who made him? Shouldn't we worship him instead if he exists? And if he does exist, is *he* all-powerful? Just an infinite regress towards... what?

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If God exists and he created the physical universe (which I am a strong proponent for) then he would have to operate within a far bigger system than the physical universe.

Just saying... looking at how the universe operates, there doesn't seem to be any call for an external system in which it rests, of which the rules are alien and unfathomable. I mean, you can make this claim but it just over complicates things. Overcomplication isn't a demerit in itself, but we have to ask, for what? Quantum Mechanics are overcomplicating an Aristotelian physical understanding of the universe but there's a reason for them. What's the reason for shattering all physical laws to create a God, though? So you have a divine shoulder to cry on? I mean at some point we have to look at the motivation behind giving birth to these all-powerful deities... your father and your mother told you of this 'God' and it helps you in some ways in your life. If you were to examine how he helps you and also what assumptions you're bringing into the physical universe by invoking an all-powerful figure... you might end up more unsettled than you started with as an agnostic! I mean sure okay God loves me and I'll go to heaven when I die... but it also means if God exists that the universe is a simulation (?) of a much bigger, unfathomable laboratory (?) where a being calls all the shots whose motivation is a psychotic desire for powerless little humans to love him (?) This shit creeps me out even more than the nothingness after death.

Examine the motivation behind your desire for a God to exist, is what I am saying.

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As for who created the creator, we all have to accept that at some point the law of cause and effect was broken, whether you believe in God or not. What created the matter that created the big bang? And what created whatever made that matter? And so on and so on.

Perhaps it's more settling emotionally to accept that you don't know right now, how these things started and that not knowing is fine also. You don't have to invent a thermodynamically obese superbeing to fill in the blanks. Not knowing is fine, letting go is fine. Words are just words, experiences are not words etc etc

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If a person is not filthy, how can he be forgiven?  There's a difference between an acknowledgment of evil, or an alignment in support of evil, and the forsaking of it.  When I damn for their actions, you may critique the decision : that has not happened.

What a choice of words though! Filthy? That just sounds sanctimonious to me. I thought forgiveness meant perhaps a bit of humbleness towards the mysteries of another human being, a bit of silence and acceptance perhaps. Not 'I DUB THEE FILTHY SO I MAY YET CLEANSE YOU'. It just rubs me so wrong. Nobody's filthy, we're just all trying to exist and fulfill our base desires.

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in my perception of reality (lol), I believe in God.  People who believe in God are Religious.  I do not murder.  I do not believe in dragons or miracles.  Therefor, if someone says that religious people murder and believe in dragons and I do not, they are mistaken, the issue of dragons does not define religion as a whole and to say so is false.  From where i stand (and it may be subjective) that looks like math.

I will put aside completely how you say you believe in God but yet not in miracles, although there's a question begged there. I'm not interested in the answer, so I'll go to the source of what you're saying: Yes it is your personal math and in your personal math book it adds up but it is not a real conversation because you're not risking anything, you're just expounding on your personal definitions of good and evil and that's really not what I'm looking for when I discuss morality. I'm looking for expression but also understanding, taking some risks putting things out there one is not certain about so they may be inspected and not just judged. In short, whereas I'm sure you spending time with yourself is a good thing in your phase (creating a personal lexicon and whatnot), it is really not what I want out of a moral or ontological conversation at my phase. So your falsehoods and truisms are overshared. I don't mean this in a bad way, I don't want to insult you. We started out discussing your reaction to a comic that was about religion at large and nonbelievers at large, not about the religion in your person where every other religion in any other person that doesn't cohere with your vision is false.

I mean to say perhaps: you should study the philosophical field of Epistemology to some degree, it will help you see the burdens inherent in theories of knowledge and perhaps nudge you on a different path to what the point of a conversation might be and what promises one makes when one enters one and how best to fulfill them without just going on repeating how 'in my world, that is true and that is false'. I say this because I went through the exact same thing.

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The issue at hand for me was never the idea that select Religious people worship dragons and say no to science, but the idea that we all do, and that it is central to a belief in God for all who feel themselves to be have such.

I'm sorry to say I can't understand these statements. 'but the idea that we all do' what? Worship dragons and say no to science? 'for all who feel themselves to be have such' what?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 06:23:40 pm
Just saying... looking at how the universe operates, there doesn't seem to be any call for an external system in which it rests, of which the rules are alien and unfathomable.

There are certain questions that science is afraid of, such as the question of why physics even exist. Most atheists seem overly comfortable accepting that our universe is bound to unbreakable laws without ever questioning where those laws came from and what enforces them. Who decided 1+1= 2? I think this is an important question because science is built on it. If the universe is not rational then we can't hope to rationally dissect it. But if the universe IS rational, that raises all sorts of questions.

I mean, you can make this claim but it just over complicates things. Overcomplication isn't a demerit in itself, but we have to ask, for what? Quantum Mechanics are overcomplicating an Aristotelian physical understanding of the universe but there's a reason for them. What's the reason for shattering all physical laws to create a God, though? So you have a divine shoulder to cry on? I mean at some point we have to look at the motivation behind giving birth to these all-powerful deities... your father and your mother told you of this 'God' and it helps you in some ways in your life. If you were to examine how he helps you and also what assumptions you're bringing into the physical universe by invoking an all-powerful figure... you might end up more unsettled than you started with as an agnostic! I mean sure okay God loves me and I'll go to heaven when I die... but it also means if God exists that the universe is a simulation (?) of a much bigger, unfathomable laboratory (?) where a being calls all the shots whose motivation is a psychotic desire for powerless little humans to love him (?) This shit creeps me out even more than the nothingness after death.

Examine the motivation behind your desire for a God to exist, is what I am saying.

On the contrary you seem to have an emotional bias *against* the possibility of God's existence. I mean if I die and it turns out God wasn't real, then what? I tried my hardest to live selflessly and to treat other humans with love and dignity as though they were created in His image and and never got rewarded for it. Not a huge injustice from a cosmic perspective. And it's not like I'll be around to regret it. But it seems you feel you have much more to lose if God IS real.

To further dissect this I'd have to go more into my personal theology, which I'm okay with but I suspect it's not what most people came to this forum to hear.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 26, 2009, 07:27:08 pm
I do not take 1+1=2 as a binding proposition. I don't take any statement as a binding proposition. I take a few as applicable and useful. Not 'true' because nothing is 'true'. Again, I urge towards a study of Epistemology, it's not a word I'm making up, it's a philosophical field that deals exactly with the theory of knowledge, what is testable, what is binding, what is in effect, what skepticism is in essence.

I furthermore do not think that understanding the world on paper is the same as experiencing the things you're trying to understand. The implication is that the world is complex and holistic and we do not stand to *experience* it all, and people trying to appeal to our intellect by giving us applicable models of it can only get so far in that way. You can sit there and explain to me how a bat (the animal) works how it's skeleton keeps it light how the sonar works etc etc and I can sit here and try to take all that information in but that doesn't mean I understand the bat, the experience of the bat itself is inherently unknowable for me as a human. It is similar in matter of theory of science and knowledge. Information is not the same as knowledge. Information helps build a testable hypothesis of the effects of properties that are fundamentally unexperiencable for the human being. On the existential level we should be looking with awe at a simple house cat and how futile it is to try to feel what it must feel, and yet we have the gall to summon bloated Gods out of the aether and decree them creators and benevolent fathers that watch upon us. More humility! There's more to find by pondering a wall than thinking about Jesus Christ as the lord and savior.

But if we are going to use a model for reality (and we must if we want anything else than to live in a cave), it being testable and applicable is the point of it. Not being 'true' on the metaphysical level. An all-powerful ever-present God doesn't enter into tests or applications in any respect, therefore its usage is bound to be problematic. Science is not to put ones blind faith into a testable model. It is to be very curious about it and constantly tweak it to better apply to the discernible effect. These are very basic things.

I do not have any emotional bias against a god existing and I feel that huge chunk of text of mine you quoted, you didn't properly address its implication. If God exists, it's more unsettling than if he doesn't. He creates more questions than he answers. I strongly urge you to address this issue instead of turning it around.

If I die and god exists I've also tried my hardest to be a good man and to satisfy myself through life, to have no shame for my existence and I will sit in front of him and tell him I never believed in him (and still do not, but rather consider him a fading hallucination of the dying brain) and I am unrepentant. UNREPENTANT! My life was my own, my death also. If he is a just God and he understands completely his creation he will know that I did exactly what he made me do. I have nothing to lose in that respect.

And ultimately, most importantly, it is not a matter of haggling, it really shouldn't be. I do not define my ontology based on the gambling odds of there being a hellfire and eternal damnation in which I might be designated later on. So be it! There's still no real reason to go from examining this universe to inferring there is a God around in it besides people screaming about him being around. So if I have to suffer eternal damnation for not being stupid enough to trust other beings that are essentially as clueless as I am on matters of abstract metaphysics, then so be it! Punish me, just and everpresent lord, punish me by letting me be what you need me to be!

Again the most important thing I'm talking about is this: examine the motivation of 'faith' on the human animal. The uncertainty of the universe is mind-boggling. We invented anthropomorphic faces for the natural powers around us to understand them, to symbolise them and contain them, to not go insane by thinking what this thunder is that falls randomly out of the sky and splits the old tree in half. The sentient animal needs faith because otherwise they'd go insane trying to run a fault simulation in their mind in which there are no dangers around them. As long as inexplicable things happen, the animal thinks it's in danger! It must make its surroundings safe and it must make the internal world safe by establishing symbols, words and stories that are causal and make sense. Where did we come from? Goddidit. Where are we going? God knows. What should we do? God tells. Try to take a few steps outside the box in which you're trying to rationalize the existence of the most huge overspill of thermodynamic energy in the universe and think of WHY you are doing it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 26, 2009, 07:56:58 pm
If I die and god exists I've also tried my hardest to be a good man and to satisfy myself through life, to have no shame for my existence and I will sit in front of him and tell him I never believed in him (and still do not, but rather consider him a fading hallucination of the dying brain) and I am unrepentant. UNREPENTANT! My life was my own, my death also. If he is a just God and he understands completely his creation he will know that I did exactly what he made me do. I have nothing to lose in that respect.

Well put. That reminds me of what Marcus Aurelius said:

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on January 26, 2009, 08:58:22 pm
If a god created everything, then he/she also created sin, sinful people, demons and everything that opposes him/her. Doesn't make any sense at all.
Religious people cling to their weird beliefs even though they have nothing to back up their theory that there is a higher might. When people prove them wrong, they refuse to understand.
The holy writings (bible, quran etc) have been edited over the years and the religions are nothing like they originally were.
Religious people break their rules at least as much as regular people, through crusades/jihads, holocausts, missionaries etc. It doesn't say anywhere in the holy writings that you are allowed to kill people just because of their religion.

The bible says that homosexuality is wrong, it says that interracial relationships is wrong.
Christianity is about denying truth, they see Lucifer as the enemy when he is the bringer of light and wisdom. When the snake gave wisdom to the couple in the garden of eden god banished them.

Religious leaders don't want people to think on their own and want everybody to be the same.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 09:05:01 pm
If a god created everything, then he/she also created sin, sinful people, demons and everything that opposes him/her. Doesn't make any sense at all.
Religious people cling to their weird beliefs even though they have nothing to back up their theory that there is a higher might. When people prove them wrong, they refuse to understand.
The holy writings (bible, quran etc) have been edited over the years and the religions are nothing like they originally were.
Religious people break their rules at least as much as regular people, through crusades/jihads, holocausts, missionaries etc. It doesn't say anywhere in the holy writings that you are allowed to kill people just because of their religion.

The bible says that homosexuality is wrong, it says that interracial relationships is wrong.
Christianity is about denying truth, they see Lucifer as the enemy when he is the bringer of light and wisdom. When the snake gave wisdom to the couple in the garden of eden god banished them.

Religious leaders don't want people to think on their own and want everybody to be the same.

Should we just take your word for all of that, then?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 26, 2009, 09:07:46 pm
Ben2theEdge, why not address my concerns instead of easier targets?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 26, 2009, 09:10:17 pm
I will when I'm not at work, Helm. There's a lot there and I want to take my time with it. Don't worry I'm not avoiding it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on January 26, 2009, 09:45:29 pm
JJ Naas raises the most interesting point in the debate to me in terms of looking at your judgement day.

I, as a person, am always looking to answer these basic questions of faith and spirituality, as most people do I guess. Here's what I have come up with:

1. I am only certain of the existance of my own mind
2. I perceive a world, which stimulates my mind
3. Stimulating that mind is the only thing I can do as a being
4. If I refuse to be part of this perceived world, because I can not prove its existance, I become futile, thus I have live in it and accept its rules

These are the only principles I can believe in, as they are the only things that come forth out of my elementary existance. As I'm forced to stimulate this mind, I am forced to deal with this world. Having a strong sense of morality (one of the things that probably stimulates my mind the most), I try to live a just live, though I am failing right now. When one day I am forced to look unto my life, either through self-reflection or by meeting my creator, I hope to stand proud and say "I did all I could". I am quite sure that it will be enough to any benevolent god, though it might not seem enough to my own unforgiving mind.

I'll post more later once I get some more stuff in my head sorted out. Sometimes it's hard to explain thought processes in text.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on January 27, 2009, 12:44:26 am
Helm : just reread what I write perhaps.  I would respond to what you told me, but i just have no idea who you are talking to.  It's clear that you've been hurt by someone, or a group of people, or otherwise have a huge and important argument with them, but I personally am not sure who these people are and I'm frankly confused.  I never said i intend to cleanse someone and I certainly am not preaching here, nor do i pretend to live any sort of higher or more virtuous life.  If there are people you know who have condemned, who have passed judgment, who attempt to evangelize and to cleanse you, I apologize for how you feel about that but i want you to know that this is not me.  As for filthy, I apologize if that rubs you the wrong way - it's a very common word where I come from and i meant none of the things you've assigned to it.

I never said that other views of Religion is wrong, and I have stayed far away from defining my personal views of religion - I personally continue to feel that my definition of Religion is as objective as it can be :

n.

   1.
         1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
         2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
   2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
   3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
   4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Religion is defined first as a belief in a creator and governor of the universe.  This is the absolute core of it.  Everything else is secondary to that, with the exception of definition number four which I would consider a colloquialism.  Religion is not defined here by turning water into wine or david slaying a dragon (that actually is how it used to go, it got stricken for being TOO out there).  Different Religions may be further categorized by their specific beliefs and practices, but what makes a religion a religion is not those, but belief, as it says, in a creator and governor of the universe.

Beyond that, there's nothing I can say here.


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I'm sorry to say I can't understand these statements. 'but the idea that we all do' what? Worship dragons and say no to science? 'for all who feel themselves to be have such' what?

sorry, that's a problem that stems from attempting to type while eating lamb and reading Tolstoy.  To your first question, yes, you got it, to the second - take off "to be" (so to have such - to have a faith in god).

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(creating a personal lexicon and whatnot)

I have not done this, so I don't know how to respond.  I also have not brought a particular definition of good and evil other than to say that murder is evil.  That's technically subjective, but do you really want to be the one to fight it?

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We started out discussing your reaction to a comic that was about religion at large and nonbelievers at large, not about the religion in your person where every other religion in any other person that doesn't cohere with your vision is false.

Religion at large includes all religions, including and I am speaking for many people I know here.  And I never said that other religions are false, only that God is what defines a religion, not whether it believes in dragons.

You have a way of always misinterpreting everything I say in extremely negative ways, and I just don't know how to avoid this.  I don't actually like explaining myself a dozen times hat I felt was clear the first.  If you weren't responding to what I said, and in particular getting it completely wrong when you respond, I would be pretty quiet.  But I see that you find yourself to be at a higher phase and that I talk too much, so in the future I will not take your questions and definitions as an invitation to discourse.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 27, 2009, 01:58:27 am
I do not take 1+1=2 as a binding proposition. I don't take any statement as a binding proposition. I take a few as applicable and useful. Not 'true' because nothing is 'true'. Again, I urge towards a study of Epistemology, it's not a word I'm making up, it's a philosophical field that deals exactly with the theory of knowledge, what is testable, what is binding, what is in effect, what skepticism is in essence.

I'm familiar with epistemology... I don't claim to be an expert in it, and honestly I really loath the subject. It turns into long and painful rabbit trails that end in silliness. You may claim not to take 1+1=2 as a binding proposition, but you can only say that to support a philosophical argument. In the real world you depend on this proposition every day just to process the world around you, as do we all. When we stop talking and look at practical reality we find that truth exists. If you tried living your life liberated from the notion that 1+1=2, you would not survive.

I furthermore do not think that understanding the world on paper is the same as experiencing the things you're trying to understand. The implication is that the world is complex and holistic and we do not stand to *experience* it all, and people trying to appeal to our intellect by giving us applicable models of it can only get so far in that way. You can sit there and explain to me how a bat (the animal) works how it's skeleton keeps it light how the sonar works etc etc and I can sit here and try to take all that information in but that doesn't mean I understand the bat, the experience of the bat itself is inherently unknowable for me as a human. It is similar in matter of theory of science and knowledge. Information is not the same as knowledge. Information helps build a testable hypothesis of the effects of properties that are fundamentally unexperiencable for the human being. On the existential level we should be looking with awe at a simple house cat and how futile it is to try to feel what it must feel, and yet we have the gall to summon bloated Gods out of the aether and decree them creators and benevolent fathers that watch upon us. More humility! There's more to find by pondering a wall than thinking about Jesus Christ as the lord and savior.

I'm having a really hard time following you through this paragraph. Are you saying that since we can't transplant ourselves into other creatures' experiences, we don't have the authority to claim the existence of God? Not a challenge here, but a request for clarification.

But if we are going to use a model for reality (and we must if we want anything else than to live in a cave), it being testable and applicable is the point of it. Not being 'true' on the metaphysical level. An all-powerful ever-present God doesn't enter into tests or applications in any respect, therefore its usage is bound to be problematic. Science is not to put ones blind faith into a testable model. It is to be very curious about it and constantly tweak it to better apply to the discernible effect. These are very basic things.

Science and faith have very different roles. Not opposing. Complimentary. And separate. Failure to understand this is resulting in all sorts of confusion and chaos in our current society. Faith is not about the mechanics of the physical universe. That is clearly science's function. Faith concerns itself with the mechanics of one's existential experience, one's identity, ethics, morals, etc. The two have very minor implications toward one another and should at all times compliment each other, not be pitted against each other as though they were opposed. It'd be like choosing between my left and right foot. The purpose of pursuing God is not to understand how the mechanics of the physical universe operate. Those who believe in God such as myself believe that science is His provision for understanding His universe. My Holy Book is NOT a science book and attempts to use it as such are as appalling as using The Origin of Species to determine right from wrong.

I do not have any emotional bias against a god existing and I feel that huge chunk of text of mine you quoted, you didn't properly address its implication. If God exists, it's more unsettling than if he doesn't. He creates more questions than he answers. I strongly urge you to address this issue instead of turning it around.

Whether God's existence is unsettling depends largely on who you believe God to be, and who you believe yourself to be in relation to Him. Initially I found God's existence to be woefully unsettling. Now I find it quite precisely opposite. It does create a lot of questions, but so does anything else worth discovering. What I'm saying is it's not unnatural to be repulsed by the concept of God but that has little effect on his existence.

If I die and god exists I've also tried my hardest to be a good man and to satisfy myself through life, to have no shame for my existence and I will sit in front of him and tell him I never believed in him (and still do not, but rather consider him a fading hallucination of the dying brain) and I am unrepentant. UNREPENTANT! My life was my own, my death also. If he is a just God and he understands completely his creation he will know that I did exactly what he made me do. I have nothing to lose in that respect.

So if you saw God face to face you would consider him a hallucination? Are you sure you're unbiased regarding the possibility of his existence?

And ultimately, most importantly, it is not a matter of haggling, it really shouldn't be. I do not define my ontology based on the gambling odds of there being a hellfire and eternal damnation in which I might be designated later on. So be it! There's still no real reason to go from examining this universe to inferring there is a God around in it besides people screaming about him being around. So if I have to suffer eternal damnation for not being stupid enough to trust other beings that are essentially as clueless as I am on matters of abstract metaphysics, then so be it! Punish me, just and everpresent lord, punish me by letting me be what you need me to be!

Again... this is getting into personal beliefs which would be a bad turn for this discussion to talk. Although I'd be happy to dialogue about that privately. I will say that Christian concepts of afterlife, eternal judgment, etc. are some of the most complicated aspects of my faith and the grossly condescending and inaccurate cliff-notes versions that are commonly passed around are, for lack of a better word, vulgar and embarrassing.

Again the most important thing I'm talking about is this: examine the motivation of 'faith' on the human animal. The uncertainty of the universe is mind-boggling. We invented anthropomorphic faces for the natural powers around us to understand them, to symbolise them and contain them, to not go insane by thinking what this thunder is that falls randomly out of the sky and splits the old tree in half. The sentient animal needs faith because otherwise they'd go insane trying to run a fault simulation in their mind in which there are no dangers around them. As long as inexplicable things happen, the animal thinks it's in danger! It must make its surroundings safe and it must make the internal world safe by establishing symbols, words and stories that are causal and make sense. Where did we come from? Goddidit. Where are we going? God knows. What should we do? God tells.

There are points where supernatural attributes have been credited to natural occurrences, yes. Just as emotions were once thought of as stemming from the heart. Our understanding of the universe changes with time. But again, the fact that God's hands don't manipulate the sun through the sky has nothing to do with whether or not He could exist. The questions you ask, "Where did we come from?" - "Where are we going" - "What should we do?" - those of us who profess faith in God do not have such simple, trite answers to those questions as what you listed on our behalf. God is the launching pad for the long difficult journey of discovering the answers, not a cop out to avoid them.

Try to take a few steps outside the box in which you're trying to rationalize the existence of the most huge overspill of thermodynamic energy in the universe and think of WHY you are doing it.

Been there and done that. Self examination and faith are two things that tend to co-habitate. If you're searching for an ulterior motive for my advocating God's existence, you won't find one. My belief in God isn't so that He will like me... that's silly because if I didn't believe in Him it wouldn't matter whether He likes me or not. My belief in God isn't because it makes me feel better about life; in fact many times my beliefs has caused me to look at life quite harshly. My belief in God is not an act of will but a culmination of every experience and all the knowledge that I have obtained up until this point.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on January 27, 2009, 03:59:22 am
For me the most alarming thing about this comic was that Science obviously has no backpack. So just where did he get his flashlight?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 27, 2009, 04:09:55 am
religion has the answer
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on January 27, 2009, 04:10:46 am
For me the most alarming thing about this comic was that Science obviously has no backpack. So just where did he get his flashlight?

Ahah! So by understanding that we can assume they are actually inside his backpack!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on January 27, 2009, 04:29:18 am
Maybe he has an invisible backpack that created itself and can't be proven to exist. The backpack said "let there be flashlight" and so there was.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 27, 2009, 11:43:16 am
Maybe he doesn't really want to know where the flashlight came from because he doesn't like the moral implications. When the batteries run out it will just be dark again and he's totally okay with that.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on January 27, 2009, 12:00:49 pm
A flashlight with batteries? Pfft.
Science would be carrying one of these:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/875c/

And of course kept in a gadget belt!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 27, 2009, 12:20:56 pm
Helm : just reread what I write perhaps.

Sure, I'll do that.

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my definition of Religion is as objective as it can be :

You use 'objective' in a very strange manner. I guess it must be your personal lexicon. I will re-read what you write to learn your language some other time, perhaps.

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You have a way of always misinterpreting everything I say in extremely negative ways, and I just don't know how to avoid this.

I'm sorry you feel that way. As to how to avoid this, you'd have to realize what a conversation is first. I'll keep re-reading until you do.

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I don't claim to be an expert in it, and honestly I really loath the subject.

Well it's not very pleasant to realize that everything is inherently subjective and that there is no truth, is it?

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You may claim not to take 1+1=2 as a binding proposition, but you can only say that to support a philosophical argument. In the real world you depend on this proposition every day just to process the world around you, as do we all. When we stop talking and look at practical reality we find that truth exists. If you tried living your life liberated from the notion that 1+1=2, you would not survive.

No, see here's what it is: Of course I will take 1+1=2 as an applicable model since I am sitting here in front of my computer which is made of this binary logic model. But inside of me I know to approach any 'handy' thing that rests on 'handy' truths with a boulder of salt because these things have been shown again and again to be mutable, to be evolving. There is no 'truth' because there is no objectivity of any kind, everything you experience is only what you experience, there is no way to be certain that it's exactly as other people experience it. This is not an academic matter for me, it has really helped me live better to approach reality with this existential humbleness. I think it's a very big neurosis of the modern human that he believes that because he made motor cars and computers and rockets, he now holds in his hands some ever-dependable axiomatic truths. It leads to all sorts of problems for him, this hybris. It's the other side of the God hybris, in a way.

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I'm having a really hard time following you through this paragraph. Are you saying that since we can't transplant ourselves into other creatures' experiences, we don't have the authority to claim the existence of God? Not a challenge here, but a request for clarification.

I am saying that since we can't transplant ourselves ANYWHERE but inside of where we are, we can only draw flimsy, empathic parallels between oneself and the outside world and that therefore words are not the way in which something like a 'God' can be approached.

And if he can only be approached through personal experience, then he is not something that should be talked about as if his traits are a matter of public consciousness.

Furthermore, a scientific model, which is useful for interpreting reality in comfortable ways doesn't seem to allow for the overspill of an endless God. The scientific model is not proof that God doesn't exist  as the model itself is highly debatable. It is just proof that if you enjoy working within this scientific model to interpret reality, whatever this 'God' being is, does not factor in. You can't have your pie and eat it too.

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Science and faith have very different roles. Not opposing. Complimentary. And separate.

When it comes to the human psyche I posit that there are no 'COMPLEMENTARY BUT SEPARAAAATE' effects. I'm sure the part of your brain that deals with a faith in a higher being also deals with an enduring reliability that gravity will be in effect tomorrow. These things make you feel safe, and the search for safety in the animal is holistic, whether it is self-aware or not.

I dislike this often-said quote where science and faith are separate but equal. It seems to me that the people that say this have not looked into what epistemological weights science carries very carefully and are just saying 'MY kind of science, the docile and handy one, not that other one where God doesn't factor in'. I'm not saying you cannot pick and choose, your language is your own and do whatever you want with it, no shame etc etc. Just be honest about it. If the second law of thermodynamics exists in your model of reality, then there is no God. If your god is outside the universe, then he is useless and creates an infinite who-created-the-creator-regress.

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So if you saw God face to face you would consider him a hallucination? Are you sure you're unbiased regarding the possibility of his existence?

Yes I am not biased because you see, the probability of a God existing is so small in a thermodynamic universe where if I were to sit face to face with him I'd have to consider all the other (and I mean ALL) more probable scenarios for what I am experiencing before I reach for the 'there is no conservation of energy after all!!' card. Do you understand this scenario I am presenting? I can restate it in such a way: I may take some drugs and see God in all his glory. Then I may come off of the drugs. Should I consider it more probable that I was hallucinating or that the second law of thermodynamics doesn't exist after all?

Also I must say I'd be very disappointed in my subconsciousness if it presented me with a God on the moment of death. I'd have strongly rathered it would present me with visions of carnal excess and happyness, so I may slip into nothingness without these burdens that a highly religious society has impressed on me at a young age. Shame on them for shaping minds in such a way that one may not enjoy their own deaths :P

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Again... this is getting into personal beliefs which would be a bad turn for this discussion to talk. Although I'd be happy to dialogue about that privately. I will say that Christian concepts of afterlife, eternal judgment, etc. are some of the most complicated aspects of my faith and the grossly condescending and inaccurate cliff-notes versions that are commonly passed around are, for lack of a better word, vulgar and embarrassing.

I don't know how your personalized vision of the afterlife or hell looks like, but as long as unrepentant sinners feel some degree of uncomfort for all eternity in it, let me tell you that it's probably embarassing and vulgar for me too. But feel free to expound on some different sort of hell you have in mind.

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There are points where supernatural attributes have been credited to natural occurrences, yes. Just as emotions were once thought of as stemming from the heart. Our understanding of the universe changes with time. But again, the fact that God's hands don't manipulate the sun through the sky has nothing to do with whether or not He could exist.

But as more and more is 'explained' (I stress the '' s because as I said I don't think science 'explains' anything, but it does provide a handy model) through science, then what use is your God anymore? Even if he exists, who should care? The use of a God is from my point of view clearly a psychological one, and I won't say it's BAD that people need the metaphysical shoulder to cry on, I certainly cry on different shoulders too from time to time. I just don't think these shoulders should be justified and agreed upon universally as to be existing before you can do your crying. Cry on your great great grandfather's ghastly shoulder, that's far less thermodynamically insulting. He won't mind. He will comfort you also. But a freakin' GOD? Creator of the universe? HE'S the one whom you summon? Isn't that the worst hybris in the world?

I've felt more comfort (not to mention awe) by looking at my little cat cleaning its fur than I've ever felt pondering religion, for one, so it's hard for me to understand where you're coming from, but if you can provide for me some other motivation for summoning the biggest thermodynamic fault you could ever in existence besides emotional support, I'd love to hear it. Cuz

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The questions you ask, "Where did we come from?" - "Where are we going" - "What should we do?" - those of us who profess faith in God do not have such simple, trite answers to those questions as what you listed on our behalf. God is the launching pad for the long difficult journey of discovering the answers, not a cop out to avoid them.

You're stalling here and also

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Been there and done that. Self examination and faith are two things that tend to co-habitate. If you're searching for an ulterior motive for my advocating God's existence, you won't find one. My belief in God isn't so that He will like me... that's silly because if I didn't believe in Him it wouldn't matter whether He likes me or not. My belief in God isn't because it makes me feel better about life; in fact many times my beliefs has caused me to look at life quite harshly. My belief in God is not an act of will but a culmination of every experience and all the knowledge that I have obtained up until this point.

here. You're telling me I'm wrong in my assumptions (fair enough) but you're not presenting the truth about why you need your thermodynamically challenged God. Those bits of personal information you're hesitating to present to me are what I'm ultimately interested in. I don't want to challenge your faith in the least, really. I want to understand you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SolidIdea on January 27, 2009, 01:11:02 pm
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I want to understand you.

You don't. Maybe I've misread you for the whole discussion, but you are not one to strive for understandment in this subject.
For one to understand a noesis must be capable of empathy on the matter, but as of now, it seems you question yourself before such could happen.
You don't need to accept and take as truth to know or at least judge something as it is on the realm of the possibility.
Although that too does not say or imply that everything must be true or real, just that everything is for the sake of being.

And if by any means I mistook you for any, please correct me so, english is not my first language so interpretations are somewhat of a trap to me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 27, 2009, 01:36:11 pm
I do not think understanding someone implies that I may do so fully and completely and dependably (or even reliably). If you'd rather I use a different word (one that is far more creepy!) I want to 'feel' the other side even a little bit. I want to feel it's naked bod-- uh, I want to achieve some empathy that isn't based on cheap cliches (whose sole use is that they're easy to empathize with) and for this to happen I want to ask the risky questions (why do you need a God?) and get an answer without any shame.

Your observation is an astute one however. I try to avoid this double standard you spot, and the way that I do this is by being humble about the limitations of my understanding and by being honest about what ends it serves. I'm not attempting science on Ben2theEdge.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on January 27, 2009, 02:04:22 pm
Helm I can't at the moment respond to everything you wrote, but the foundation of your understanding people like me is flawed.
You begin by assuming that I invented God out of some kind of need I had. I didn't invent God at all. You have to prove I did because many of your beliefs are founded on that assumption. But as long as you do that, I won't make any sense to you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on January 27, 2009, 02:27:55 pm
Color me interested in your reply to Helm's post.

Assuming you didn't receive your religious beliefs through family or location, what kind of experiences or situations made you realize the existence of a god?
And then, if you indeed realized that there is a deity over us, what made you choose a religion over the others, or at all?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SolidIdea on January 27, 2009, 02:52:14 pm
Helm I can't at the moment respond to everything you wrote, but the foundation of your understanding people like me is flawed.
You begin by assuming that I invented God out of some kind of need I had. I didn't invent God at all. You have to prove I did because many of your beliefs are founded on that assumption. But as long as you do that, I won't make any sense to you.

That's kinda where I was trying to get at. But...
You did not invent God, that's true. There was something inside you (and all of us for the matter), maybe since you gave your first steps, that would answer your questions, and question your answers. A "self" not tangible even by the ultimate grasps of conscience which makes even stranger to us that it's called a self.
This imbroglio can evolve into many things such as faith, the relation of your self with the self of others, which may be very true the God inside of all.
I guess what Helm is trying to, is to get an answer (the need he believes you had) that determines the turning point or realization of the presence/existence of a God.
That's a valid and fair questioning even though something like that is hard to pinpoint since most of the time is a road of events (life, difficulties faced in, problems, joys, questions answered or not). That's why I said he isn't trying to understand, it takes a lot more than the 2 to substitute x in 1 + 1 = x.

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Just so it doesn't see like I went over Helm's reply:
The risky questions as exemplified are as complicated as it gets. It's like question "how did we get here?" and hoping for an answer that suits.
A scientist can go as far as the creation of the cosmo, but before that there wasn't?
I see you are genuinely interested in seeing a reasoning behind his faith, but first you should be aware that this goes far beyond if god is thermodinamically (sp?) possible or not.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 27, 2009, 04:05:30 pm
Ben take your time, if you ever have it, to paint me a picture. I sincerily can't see how an idea of a God as strictly defined as that of the christian faith can occur to you naturally, I can only see it being socially impressed on you (which is what the 'invention' I'm talking about is). If I'm wrong I'd really like to see the alter apars more clearly.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on January 27, 2009, 05:42:55 pm
   In this case, I always feel that discussing the battle between  Science and Religion is masturbatory. Everybody knows that the opposing sides go no where with it, and it's an endless battle. Conversing over it, I guess, just seems like something to do when you're bored, and never truly serves an endpoint, other than "we'll never agree with each other, but lets just keep on debating till we die." Just more questions, doubt in the other side, and in the worst case scenario(but a small percentage), anger and hostility. Granted, anger and hostility comes from religious FANATICS majority of the time, but it's never right to assume all religious people would do the same.
   To me, the basis of Science and Religion is really a challenge between knowledge and faith: ie, "I have faith that you will do this", will always combat " I KNOW that you will do this." Knowing something will happen, always seems to have a neutral connotation to it. Bad things can come of it, and so can good things come of it, but the point is, it was known to happen anyway. The brain is wired this way, we can't help it. It's kind of the same reasoning as something hitting you in the gut: if the hit is known prior, the brain will try to prepare itself chemically and mentally, before hand. If it isn't known, and the hit comes out of no where, the brain doesn't have time to prepare, and pain sensors sometime go into overload. Where as faith comes into play, it's a matter of wanting to believe that something will happen. That something is expected without so much factual evidence. Could be possible that what ever it is, it's happened before, you've seen it with your own eyes, but you EXPECT it to happen again, rather than KNOW. And this is the problem.
   Now I know religion, in terms of definition, is NOT the same thing as faith, more so partners in crime with each other. However, don't these debates seem to always end up against a brick wall at this point, when knowledge is challenged against faith? Both parties are equally intelligent enough to at least know that the 2 word's definitions are not one in the same, yet one or the other keeps asking why? Seriously an endless circle jerk of people who aren't seeing the greater picture here...and I mean the fanatics of BOTH sides, not just one.
   For the time being, however, it's much easier to pick on religion, as it's outdated, and has far less firmware upgrades than that of Science. Science isn't totally perfect, however. It just has a better way of answering it's previous flaws and wrong answers by calling it's current statements "theories." It's kind of like saying "this is the answer for now, until proven wrong later on. If someone challenges us, we'll just tell them it was a theory, and that it wasn't concrete to begin with, and prone to change with future updates."...Science has built itself fairly well on this concept and it works fine, to be quite honest. We've gotten modern medicine, technology, and healthier because of it. But again, it's not perfect either. After all, we once thought the world was flat, and look what happened there(I know, I know, it's an easy target...but I had to ...).
   I guess to put it simply, I will agree with others in that Religion is flawed in many ways. It's also very hard to defend against a "science" man's perspective. But if there really is a true God out there, I'm sure our simple scientific theories will still NEVER fully understand it's entity and well being, or how it came into effect, probably because this God-like entity has been around for so long, that it's at a much higher intelligible level than we are. Also, I'm sure it moved on many billion years ago to other side projects, rather than dealing with a couple of living beings who debate over trite things such as this. I'm sure there are other living beings, possibly more advanced than us, that also have this same conversation, and also get no where with it. So I guess if it ever came down to it, and I were to meet this God, any question I would first ask him would probably have an answer something close to " Uhmmm, which Universe are you from again?"

*heh, such an abrupt sentence to end a long series of masturbatory paragraphs, that derive too far from the main subject. Oh the irony...*

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on January 27, 2009, 05:58:50 pm
http://www.konjak.org/index.htm

Well done konjak, a ton of fun to play :)
QFT! very very good. I would eat up in an instant anything like that he released....too bad this kind of one man-treasure type thing never gets noticed on a wide scale in the web. Maybe he should make one where the hero is science and the bad guy is religion. That way he'd get all the fucking attention in the world.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on January 27, 2009, 08:31:51 pm
I sincerily can't see how an idea of a God as strictly defined as that of the christian faith can occur to you naturally, I can only see it being socially impressed on you (which is what the 'invention' I'm talking about is).

Yes, and all feral children are literate and know modus ponens?  Some thing being socially impressed on you doesn't make it wrong does it?

I agree that most religion is unnecessarily intricate, though. 

If there is a biblical god, his creation of humanity shows that he knows a little bit about genetics; his living in the heavens shows that he knows something about space travel; his punishment of humanity and "thou shalt have no other gods" deal shows that he is power hungry and full of himself; nothing really too frightening or worship-worthy to me.  He's a dick--don't get me wrong, his vast knowledge of science is admirable--but I suppose there are dicks littered all about the universe. 

Modern science knows that everything is vibrating energy in one way or another. Lots of religions refer to this spiritually.  Maybe some other dude made all this vibrating energy, but its being multidimensional and mysterious and everything makes it very hard to even begin to comprehend. Something so incomprehensible is worth my attention.

There's two cents for y'all.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SolidIdea on January 27, 2009, 09:21:55 pm
Not trying to deviate from the subject but...
Does anyone know any good books about watercolor and it's techniques?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on January 27, 2009, 10:08:21 pm
All this fuzz about a little comic. It's the same with every forum I've ever been on, as soon as someone makes a religion joke people go batshit.

SO WHAT IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND?
Stop taking shit and decide for yourself whether or not to believe.

If people want to believe in an almighty being that creates it's own enemies and contradicts itself, the fine.
But don't get mad at us realists for believing in the suff that actually makes sense and that has proof it's correct.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SolidIdea on January 27, 2009, 10:45:03 pm
All this fuzz about a little comic. It's the same with every forum I've ever been on, as soon as someone makes a religion joke people go batshit.

SO WHAT IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND?
Stop taking shit and decide for yourself whether or not to believe.

If people want to believe in an almighty being that creates it's own enemies and contradicts itself, the fine.
But don't get mad at us realists for believing in the suff that actually makes sense and that has proof it's correct.

I hate being rude but, shut up.
You clearly didn't read through the discussion and you are being the main offender here. Worst than going batshit over something, is going batshit over nothing which is clearly your case right here.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on January 27, 2009, 11:41:16 pm
All this fuzz about a little comic. It's the same with every forum I've ever been on, as soon as someone makes a religion joke people go batshit.

SO WHAT IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND?
Stop taking shit and decide for yourself whether or not to believe.

If people want to believe in an almighty being that creates it's own enemies and contradicts itself, the fine.
But don't get mad at us realists for believing in the suff that actually makes sense and that has proof it's correct.

I hate being rude but, shut up.
You clearly didn't read through the discussion and you are being the main offender here. Worst than going batshit over something, is going batshit over nothing which is clearly your case right here.

I'm completely calm. And yes I did read the discussion.
Worse than goin batshit over something, is jumping conclusions, which is exactly what you're doing here. Ignorance at it's worst.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 28, 2009, 12:06:30 am
Please no name calling and please also, don't tell people to shut up. The conversation's been civil up to now and I see no reason for this ugliness.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on January 28, 2009, 12:46:29 am
Perhaps it's time to give this discussion its own topic? This is the off-topic thread after all.
Very interesting to read btw guys.

Science is all about trying to find answers, as far as i understand or hope. If you don't know something for sure (or as sure as to be the logical choice), why go with an option such as a god to understand the reason for your existance or those unanswered questions - something which is only backable by belief?

Also i personally find it very sad when someone fears what would happen after death so much that they would believe in, worship or follow the moral rules of something just incase.
One thing that really shook me off from religion was afterlife. The whole idea of a bad afterlife and a good aftelife really frustrate me. You cannot control where or when in the world you were born, or as a result who teaches you as you grow up or the experiences you eventually come across that shape your personality and life. If you are a bad person, it's not necissarily your fault, in the same way that every child is born innocent. And the vision of a infinite good afterlife, or heaven, i find extremely worrying. It would make that life worthless, having endless time and goodness and equality. There would be no point in it.
Also if you are reincarnated, surely there would be no sense of you in that new reincarnation - how can you possibly know, or act upon the fact you are a reincarnation. Even if at the end you can look upon your experiences, why not just look at the experiences of any group of animals or people? What is the difference? What is the point?

I constantly spell religion, religeon! Goddammit lol.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 28, 2009, 01:04:18 am
How about no? Religion is off topic when it comes to pixelling, so there wont be an extra thread for this or any other thing not somehow related to pixelling.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on January 28, 2009, 01:39:10 am
How about no? Religion is off topic when it comes to pixelling, so there wont be an extra thread for this or any other thing not somehow related to pixelling.

Ah yeah sorry, forgot this was [Pixel Art] General Discussion.  :-[
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Willows on January 28, 2009, 01:43:50 am
Cool. tons of things to read, not enough time to read 'em all and make any kind of cohesive response.

I do, however, disagree on the "Religion, It's something you choose!" statement made much earlier.

I was born(?) and raised a christian, taught christian fundamentals and ideals and told that there only is christianity, and all other options are some voodoo nonsense... grossly exaggerated of course, but the idea is there. Christianity is the "only way" and anything else I learned about in school came with a "This isn't true" disclaimer.

Christianity wasn't a choice for me 'till I was 18, and even now I run on a bastardized, personalized version of christianity because nothing else has ever presented itself as a reasonable alternative to believing in an omnipresent deity. I theoretically have a choice in the matter, but the most choice I have is to get the tattoo I have removed and get another one elsewhere; there will always be traces of the original.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on January 28, 2009, 01:49:28 am
That sounds like an extreme case scenario there tho. Of course the amount of indoctrination at an early age will have an effect on your believes, though I know people who were raised quite religious and they think religion is bogus, and mean it. Just because for you youe upbringing left a deeper religious indent in your superego does not mean this is the same for everyone.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on January 28, 2009, 02:50:38 am
The vast majority of people (+90%) living in a country I was born and raised in declare themselves as Christian Catholics.  I do not.

Quote from: Gautama Buddha
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 28, 2009, 03:09:23 am
Cool. tons of things to read, not enough time to read 'em all and make any kind of cohesive response.

I do, however, disagree on the "Religion, It's something you choose!" statement made much earlier.

I was born(?) and raised a christian, taught christian fundamentals and ideals and told that there only is christianity, and all other options are some voodoo nonsense... grossly exaggerated of course, but the idea is there. Christianity is the "only way" and anything else I learned about in school came with a "This isn't true" disclaimer.

Christianity wasn't a choice for me 'till I was 18, and even now I run on a bastardized, personalized version of christianity because nothing else has ever presented itself as a reasonable alternative to believing in an omnipresent deity. I theoretically have a choice in the matter, but the most choice I have is to get the tattoo I have removed and get another one elsewhere; there will always be traces of the original.
How do you disagree on the "decision" statement?

I was also born and raised a christian, going to church every sunday etc, always felt terrible for even thinking about considering other possibilities, but it took catholic highschool to make me realize how much I hated that mind control.
To be perfectly blunt, I find less and less to respect about religion as I grow, there are still values worth admiring, but I believe they aren't exclusive to religion in the first place.

I'm still comforted by the idea of a God, but I view that as a personal shortcoming.
No offense to anyone implied, I'm not a very philosophical person and I don't have much more to say about the matter.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on January 28, 2009, 04:09:33 am
   In this case, I always feel that discussing the battle between  Science and Religion is masturbatory. Everybody knows that the opposing sides go no where with it, and it's an endless battle. Conversing over it, I guess, just seems like something to do when you're bored, and never truly serves an endpoint, other than "we'll never agree with each other, but lets just keep on debating till we die." Just more questions, doubt in the other side, and in the worst case scenario(but a small percentage), anger and hostility. Granted, anger and hostility comes from religious FANATICS majority of the time, but it's never right to assume all religious people would do the same.
   To me, the basis of Science and Religion is really a challenge between knowledge and faith: ie, "I have faith that you will do this", will always combat " I KNOW that you will do this." Knowing something will happen, always seems to have a neutral connotation to it. Bad things can come of it, and so can good things come of it, but the point is, it was known to happen anyway. The brain is wired this way, we can't help it. It's kind of the same reasoning as something hitting you in the gut: if the hit is known prior, the brain will try to prepare itself chemically and mentally, before hand. If it isn't known, and the hit comes out of no where, the brain doesn't have time to prepare, and pain sensors sometime go into overload. Where as faith comes into play, it's a matter of wanting to believe that something will happen. That something is expected without so much factual evidence. Could be possible that what ever it is, it's happened before, you've seen it with your own eyes, but you EXPECT it to happen again, rather than KNOW. And this is the problem.
   Now I know religion, in terms of definition, is NOT the same thing as faith, more so partners in crime with each other. However, don't these debates seem to always end up against a brick wall at this point, when knowledge is challenged against faith? Both parties are equally intelligent enough to at least know that the 2 word's definitions are not one in the same, yet one or the other keeps asking why? Seriously an endless circle jerk of people who aren't seeing the greater picture here...and I mean the fanatics of BOTH sides, not just one.
   For the time being, however, it's much easier to pick on religion, as it's outdated, and has far less firmware upgrades than that of Science. Science isn't totally perfect, however. It just has a better way of answering it's previous flaws and wrong answers by calling it's current statements "theories." It's kind of like saying "this is the answer for now, until proven wrong later on. If someone challenges us, we'll just tell them it was a theory, and that it wasn't concrete to begin with, and prone to change with future updates."...Science has built itself fairly well on this concept and it works fine, to be quite honest. We've gotten modern medicine, technology, and healthier because of it. But again, it's not perfect either. After all, we once thought the world was flat, and look what happened there(I know, I know, it's an easy target...but I had to ...).
   I guess to put it simply, I will agree with others in that Religion is flawed in many ways. It's also very hard to defend against a "science" man's perspective. But if there really is a true God out there, I'm sure our simple scientific theories will still NEVER fully understand it's entity and well being, or how it came into effect, probably because this God-like entity has been around for so long, that it's at a much higher intelligible level than we are. Also, I'm sure it moved on many billion years ago to other side projects, rather than dealing with a couple of living beings who debate over trite things such as this. I'm sure there are other living beings, possibly more advanced than us, that also have this same conversation, and also get no where with it. So I guess if it ever came down to it, and I were to meet this God, any question I would first ask him would probably have an answer something close to " Uhmmm, which Universe are you from again?"

*heh, such an abrupt sentence to end a long series of masturbatory paragraphs, that derive too far from the main subject. Oh the irony...*



You say that the Science and Religion Battle is pointless and will go on forever without conclusion, if I'm understanding you right (Tell me if I'm not).

I don't prescribe to any specific, predefined religion, per se, but through my own experience (of 13 years, not much but enough for me, now) I've come about with my own beliefs about life.
(I really like
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. )
I agree with you, Bob, but I don't think it's pointless.  Whenever I'm able to have a civilized discussion with someone over it, both of us know it will be to know end and neither of us is trying to convince the other.  That makes for a deeply satisfying discussion, and since I've made my own beliefs about life it helps me to really critically think about what I believe, and sooth out the kinks in logic, and both of us think it's good, deep, fun, and useful.

I am honestly sorry I don't have more to contribute, there are a lot of posts, and also I believe that whatever anyone thinks or believes, is true to them, and if it's true to them and they're satisfied then great.  So long as they're not trying to convince anyone to go with them, and even if they do I'm not going to try and change it, but it goes against my own beliefs.  Anyway, reading what I could of this is good, and even though it's a touchy subject I'm glad it's gotten this far without too many unpleasantries.

Toodles!
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on January 28, 2009, 05:38:29 am
You say that the Science and Religion Battle is pointless and will go on forever without conclusion, if I'm understanding you right (Tell me if I'm not).

I agree with you, Bob, but I don't think it's pointless.  Whenever I'm able to have a civilized discussion with someone over it, both of us know it will be to know end and neither of us is trying to convince the other.  That makes for a deeply satisfying discussion, and since I've made my own beliefs about life it helps me to really critically think about what I believe, and sooth out the kinks in logic, and both of us think it's good, deep, fun, and useful.

Errm...exactly where did I say it was "pointless"? Your reply pretty much echoes my first paragraph; ie, just speaking about it for the sake of a conversation:

   In this case, I always feel that discussing the battle between  Science and Religion is masturbatory. Everybody knows that the opposing sides go no where with it, and it's an endless battle. Conversing over it, I guess, just seems like something to do when you're bored, and never truly serves an endpoint, other than "we'll never agree with each other, but lets just keep on debating till we die." Just more questions, doubt in the other side, and in the worst case scenario(but a small percentage), anger and hostility. Granted, anger and hostility comes from religious FANATICS majority of the time, but it's never right to assume all religious people would do the same.

   In any case, it seems most of us are heavily set in our ways right now, so I don't expect opinions to change. I'm just wondering what state the world will be in, when our generation begins to take over companies, economy, and countries. Will we still be in the same place we are today, arguing over deities we've never seen, conversing over theories that will never come to light in our age, combating opinions over things that human eyes will most likely NEVER see until our species has completely died out? Hard to say right now, though, as I'm speaking in terms of a U.S. citizen, where as other children of the world in lesser developed countries are brought up so strictly in their ways(education, religion) that I can't speak for the majority, in that our generation is any better than the previous. But I can HOPE. And I have FAITH that we can come to the conclusion to politely disagree, and go about our business smiling, even though it may never happen. And Having hope and faith is a concrete enough idea for me to put 100% into, which is good enough for me, without the security blanket of another human's supposed theory.

But seriously, after all this heated debate, I think it's time that we all just put our differences aside, and have some good ole' fashion angry sex... :P
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Post by: Rydin on January 28, 2009, 05:58:00 am
*zip*
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Post by: SolidIdea on January 28, 2009, 07:09:41 am
Always use protection :)

I stumbled with this pretty news that left me dumbfounded.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/4357829/Immortal-jellyfish-swarming-across-the-world.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/4357829/Immortal-jellyfish-swarming-across-the-world.html)

Who would have thunk that there would be a animal that goes against the system live / breed / die.
Smarty pants this jellyfish.
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Post by: Dusty on January 28, 2009, 07:35:42 am
Weren't they saying the same thing about the Red Devil Squid?
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Post by: huZba on January 28, 2009, 04:31:01 pm
...religious indent in your superego...
If you think about god as a personification of the superego(which is a law and order giving presence), then a lot of religious claims and accusations make a whole lot of sense, kinda.
Like how someone might think that an atheist could not have morals, which seemed completely absurd to me. But if you replace the big-G with the over-I in the accusation, it seems more valid.
Maybe that's also why some feel so strongly about the god person. Some danger exists in a cascading effect if/when god doesn't oppose the ID and leaves the jolly ego out of the loop. It's not exclusive to religion though, anything that resembles an authority can shape your morals, even to extremes like demonstrated by the milgram experiment. Pixelation too has some strong influence on people by having it's authority enforce certain ideas which stick to peoples thinking and continue to spill over to other places.

What i would like to know is if you can have morals if there is nothing that imposes them on you, like your parents, society or whatever. How does the over-I function in a feral child? Makes you get along with the social regulations of the animals around you? What if you raised a human in a sensory deprivation room with only controlled information fed into it?
I just have to dig into more literature on the subject..... too much stagnation these days cause i just work, play videogames and sleep.

BUT on the case of jellyfish! Those wonderful varied creatures. Some have survived unchanged like forever, some can clone themselves, some have multiple neural clusters in a single body with a set of primitive eyes and now we have one that's immortal!
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Post by: NaCl on January 28, 2009, 06:27:56 pm
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What i would like to know is if you can have morals if there is nothing that imposes them on you, like your parents, society or whatever.

I don't believe so. If you look at Genie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)), she has no morals or anything like that. If you also look at children of violent parents, the fact that they are often violent too (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4011.php) when they get older is a good indication that morals only exist as they are passed on through demonstration to a child. There are also almost definitely genetic factors, but to fulfill them you still need socializing. A feral child will be without morals (or even the ability to empathize, which is key to morals), no matter what their genes say.

An interesting case to look at for your question would be a child raised normally, except never punished for doing something we consider morally wrong, and never rewarded for doing something we consider right (and never observing others getting rewarded/punished). Obviously it's not possible to test this, though. My guess is that if you do that, you have someone who could commit horrible acts with no remorse, like a sociopath. Perhaps looking into famous sociopaths childhood would be interesting.
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Post by: Emtch on January 28, 2009, 06:29:10 pm
BUT on the case of jellyfish! Those wonderful varied creatures. Some have survived unchanged like forever, some can clone themselves, some have multiple neural clusters in a single body with a set of primitive eyes and now we have one that's immortal!

The creatures of the ocean are weird, wonderful monsters. Why do people want to search for life in space when they haven't even explored their own planet first? Many of the underwater lifeforms look like aliens from movies. The life on terra firma is very uniform and boring in comparison.
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Post by: JJ Naas on January 28, 2009, 06:51:44 pm
I don't believe so. If you look at Genie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)), she has no morals or anything like that.

But she was raised under an influence from parents, teaching her distorted and violent morals (raising your voice leads to being punished physically).

Animals have something resembling morals too. Many of them look after their offspring, which is pre-programmed on their DNA, but which then extrapolates from that and leads to building up ones set of morals. Cats or dogs that have been separated from their mom too early are often much more easily freaked out and are much less sociable that kittens or puppies that have had a secure upbringing close to their parents. So the nurturing instinct is programmed in the DNA, and nurturing generally leads to a more balanced behaviour later on (although there's surely more to morals than that as well, but it's a start). But as always there are of course exceptions to the rule.

If you were raised in a vacuum, in a white room, then since there'd be nothing to reflect your preprogrammed behaviour on.. you wouldn't have anything to build the morals on either. It's a process. But then again that sort of situation IS unnatural, so it wouldn't tell much more about the issue of morals beyond that, since after all the default situation is that everyone lives in a holistic world.
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Post by: NaCl on January 28, 2009, 07:03:29 pm
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Cats or dogs that have been separated from their mom too early are often much more easily freaked out and are much less sociable that kittens or puppies that have had a secure upbringing close to their parents. So the nurturing instinct is programmed in the DNA

I don't see how you made that conclusion from that statement. The statement seems to suggest the opposite of your conclusion.

Not that I disagree with the conclusion, I think a lot more then we realize is in our genes. Studies of separated identical twins shows this to be oddly true. However, my point with Genie was the same as you said, there is nothing to build the morals on. The morals only exist when you can empathize, and that comes from being socialized. Then, as part of the socialization, you learn morals. Genie had some amount of influence from her father, but very very little, the littlest of any person almost, so she is probably the best place to look on these subjects.
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Post by: huZba on January 28, 2009, 07:07:46 pm
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Cats or dogs that have been separated from their mom too early are often much more easily freaked out and are much less sociable that kittens or puppies that have had a secure upbringing close to their parents. So the nurturing instinct is programmed in the DNA

I don't see how you made that conclusion from that statement. The statement seems to suggest the opposite of your conclusion.
As in the bare minimum of the instinct that is required to start the snowball rolling.
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Post by: JJ Naas on January 28, 2009, 07:45:29 pm
As in the bare minimum of the instinct that is required to start the snowball rolling.

Indeed. That's where it starts. There's obviously more to the development of morals... a lot that we probably don't even know yet. (This might easily lead to discussing consciousness, free will, memes and what have you but I for one am quite reluctant to go there.)
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Post by: Helm on January 28, 2009, 07:50:14 pm
I posit God comes from morality, not morality from God. A set of values that are enforced in a community are useful to balance the desires of that community against the internal frictions, so as many genes as possible survive. We can see that in pack animals too. However humans, as they are self-aware suffer from existential concerns and they need to devise higher reasons than that to justify their morality. Regardless however of whether a man believes their source of goodness to be a God or anything else (and there are many other value systems) the point of their morality is to ensure adjusted behaviour in a whole. Because a pack of humans is more protected and resourceful than a single one.
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Post by: JJ Naas on January 28, 2009, 08:20:00 pm
A set of values that are enforced in a community are useful to balance the desires of that community against the internal frictions, so as many genes as possible survive.

You're not talking about genes passed on through group selection though are you? A single gene doesn't care about other genes in the same gene pool, it only seeks to survive for its own sake, but in order to do that it needs to have characteristics that allow it to get along with the whole gene pool of say Homo Sapiens.

the point of their morality is to ensure adjusted behaviour in a whole.

..by an individual (randomly mutating) gene ensuring its survival and reproducing by adjusting its behaviour (through natural selection) as a part of the whole.
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Post by: Helm on January 28, 2009, 09:11:31 pm
My understanding is that genes might compel their hosts (us fleshy humans) to not only not destroy each other senselessly because of the risk involved (in how you might be the one getting destroyed in the process) but also to help, because in helping a close-knit commune it is very possible you're helping copies of genes you already have in other hosts. Morality, as it developed is pertinent because it works. Through community the human animal has become much more safer than it would be solitary.

To your second statement I have no comment but agreement.
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Post by: JJ Naas on January 28, 2009, 09:37:47 pm
...because in helping a close-knit commune it is very possible you're helping copies of genes you already have in other hosts.

I think in the 60's some biologists were proposing that the process of natural selection might try to preserve larger gene pools in that manner but so far there's been no actual evidence of such a thing. Richard Dawkings proposed the single gene -view in his 70's book The Selfish Gene that has as one of its main thesis that you must always look at evolution from the point of view of a single gene, which became the standard view and has stood up to challenges so far.

I'm quoting a summary of the book here taken from another site (http://www.geocities.com/we_evolve/Human_Nature/dawkins.html):

"Natural selection acts on the individual's genes or rather, on the phenotypic effects of an individual's genes - not on the group as a whole. Genes build 'survival machines' or individual organisms. Genes are selfish in that they build survival machines to increase the number of copies of themselves, thus survival machines tend to be inherently selfish. Individuals that form groups do so for the benefit of their selfish genes (e.g. there is safety in numbers; safety for genes). An individual may act altruistically, but does so for its own gene preservation -- not group preservation."

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Post by: Helm on January 28, 2009, 09:46:46 pm
I have read this book and I do not think my statement contradicts Dawkins.

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Individuals that form groups do so for the benefit of their selfish genes (e.g. there is safety in numbers; safety for genes)

This statement was what I was expounding upon.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 28, 2009, 09:54:03 pm
Fair enough. Semantics..
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Post by: Jakten on January 29, 2009, 01:31:07 am
http://www.passion-paris.com/flash.html#myreel=v799&page=d118

This whole site has some pretty neat videos but I thought some might enjoy the "what to do in the event of an earthquake"
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Post by: Atnas on February 01, 2009, 01:31:25 pm
too off topic for the thread

When I cross my eyes while focusing on the space between the two animations, they stack, which is really neat. http://ptoing.net/edit/12framerun.gif
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Post by: Reo on February 01, 2009, 06:12:15 pm
Woah!thats quite awesome! :)
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Post by: .TakaM on February 02, 2009, 02:19:06 am
Now that the religious discussion has died down, I'm just gonna go ahead and quote myself
http://www.konjak.org/index.htm

Well done konjak, a ton of fun to play :)
Really is a nice game with some fantastic art in case any of you missed it.


And unrelated, I've been loving this for the last few months
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cA06uWV_-c
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on February 02, 2009, 03:53:04 am
Nice megaman link Taka. Very enjoyable. Have you heard Chris Stewart's megaman remixes? I heard them years back and still like them bunches. Here's a link to his music folder.

http://leaflock.net/web/music/megaman/
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on February 03, 2009, 09:39:02 pm
The audio recording made me laugh, it's a bit long though.

http://www.xkcd.com/verizon/
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Post by: Doppleganger on February 04, 2009, 02:17:21 am

An interesting case to look at for your question would be a child raised normally, except never punished for doing something we consider morally wrong, and never rewarded for doing something we consider right (and never observing others getting rewarded/punished). Obviously it's not possible to test this, though. My guess is that if you do that, you have someone who could commit horrible acts with no remorse, like a sociopath. Perhaps looking into famous sociopaths childhood would be interesting.

There is an Indifferent-Uninvolved model of parenting that fits some of the criterion you're supposing. In this model of parenting, as one could presume, the overarching theme is one where the parent acts in such a way that the child could not be considered an inconvenience. This is primarily accomplished through meeting a child's demand immediately, so as to terminate the child's demand, and by being emotionally unavailable to the child. Because child rearing begins at birth, the effects of such are immediate and consistent through a child's life, and outside sources of reward/punishment do not occur often enough to make a significant impact at earlier ages one could assume that this model of parenting loosely fits your inquisition. The documented results from such models of parenting happen to paint a picture remotely similar to the one you have. A truncated synopsis would imply that children coming from these households tend to be disobedient, impulsive, psychologically defunct (to some degree), and aggressive. This does not necessarily connotate to a sociopath, but it does share some of the same characteristics.

Interestingly enough, there is another model of parenting -which is widely lauded by mainstream child rearing manuals- that also fits the criterion you've proposed. This is called the harmonious model, and it contrasts sharply with what you seemingly believe to be the proper way to instill morals and direction in a child. The supposition that reward and punisment are integral qualifiers to instilling morality is thrown out of the window in this model. They are viewed as dated, archaic, and of relating to a hierarchy that is slowly but surely being debased. In this model, a parent will clearly outline expectations for a child, but will not necessarily enforce those expecations with punishment. Instead, this model focuses on creating a dialect between the parent and the child so that there can be a mutual understanding of why something is right or wrong. It also treats the child as an equal and does not generally profer superiority over a child when handling any given situation. The results of such child rearing are very telling of the misconceptions of reward and punishment in our society; a child raised under this upbringing will become self-confident, socially responsible, able to control emotions, and will generally have high self-esteem. The fact that this sort of parenting is seen as mollycoddling by believers in the strict reward/punishment model, indeed, says something about the actual validity of the reward/punishment model.

While neither of these exactly answer the question you have set forth, I believe that they can both give insight into the questions you have asked.

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I think in the 60's some biologists were proposing that the process of natural selection might try to preserve larger gene pools in that manner but so far there's been no actual evidence of such a thing. Richard Dawkings proposed the single gene -view in his 70's book The Selfish Gene that has as one of its main thesis that you must always look at evolution from the point of view of a single gene, which became the standard view and has stood up to challenges so far.

This is a continuation of the conversation leading up to that quote, although what I am going to say is merely an insight of relevance to what has been said.

There is a certain type of organism (either an algae or a culture, I don't remember) that behaves in two distinct ways. This organism survives by floating on the top of water where it is capable of receiving nutrients and oxygen. It works together as a colony, but some organisms will self-replicate more hastily than others. The result of this, is that the entire organism will eventually grow too dense and sink, therefore drowning the entire colony.

This is a glimpse into how communal organisms may work for themselves as individuals (selfishly), while others work for the whole of the community. It is interesting because it brings to light the inherent dangers that can come from selfish behavior in a community, and it contradicts the statement that individuals form groups for the benefit of their selfish genes. Which, in this case, happens to be one of rapid self-replication.
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Post by: NaCl on February 04, 2009, 02:40:26 am
Hey Doppleganger,

Interesting look at that type of parenting. I can see some parallels to what I was suggesting. On the subject of reward/punishment, I was trying to say that in the experiment, the child would receive no moral guidance, through lack of punishment/reward, or lack of any model at all. I didn't consider other forms of raising a child, so thanks for elaborating. It's interesting.
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Post by: Ai on February 04, 2009, 03:25:34 am
Interestingly enough, there is another model of parenting -which is widely lauded by mainstream child rearing manuals- that also fits the criterion you've proposed. This is called the harmonious model, and it contrasts sharply with what you seemingly believe to be the proper way to instill morals and direction in a child. The supposition that reward and punisment are integral qualifiers to instilling morality is thrown out of the window in this model. They are viewed as dated, archaic, and of relating to a hierarchy that is slowly but surely being debased. In this model, a parent will clearly outline expectations for a child, but will not necessarily enforce those expecations with punishment. Instead, this model focuses on creating a dialect between the parent and the child so that there can be a mutual understanding of why something is right or wrong. It also treats the child as an equal and does not generally profer superiority over a child when handling any given situation. The results of such child rearing are very telling of the misconceptions of reward and punishment in our society; a child raised under this upbringing will become self-confident, socially responsible, able to control emotions, and will generally have high self-esteem. The fact that this sort of parenting is seen as mollycoddling by believers in the strict reward/punishment model, indeed, says something about the actual validity of the reward/punishment model.
Yes. I think the reward/punishment model is completely unrelated to morality, because, AFAIK, what it instills is mindless, unreasoning fear or mindless, unreasoning confidence -- ie. habits. Whereas morality, as far as I understand it, is contextual - no matter how horrible an action or choice seems to you, there are situations where that choice is the best available and therefore the most moral choice, so strong reasoning skills are crucial. Your habits can help you behave morally but you cannot rely on them.

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I think in the 60's some biologists were proposing that the process of natural selection might try to preserve larger gene pools in that manner but so far there's been no actual evidence of such a thing. Richard Dawkings proposed the single gene -view in his 70's book The Selfish Gene that has as one of its main thesis that you must always look at evolution from the point of view of a single gene, which became the standard view and has stood up to challenges so far.

This is a continuation of the conversation leading up to that quote, although what I am going to say is merely an insight of relevance to what has been said.

There is a certain type of organism (either an algae or a culture, I don't remember) that behaves in two distinct ways. This organism survives by floating on the top of water where it is capable of receiving nutrients and oxygen. It works together as a colony, but some organisms will self-replicate more hastily than others. The result of this, is that the entire organism will eventually grow too dense and sink, therefore drowning the entire colony.

This is a glimpse into how communal organisms may work for themselves as individuals (selfishly), while others work for the whole of the community. It is interesting because it brings to light the inherent dangers that can come from selfish behavior in a community, and it contradicts the statement that individuals form groups for the benefit of their selfish genes.
Careful! I'm pretty sure it doesn't contradict that statement.
Communal organisms are not individuals (whether taken as a whole or parts), by definition, so their behaviour cannot reasonably inform our knowledge of individual organisms.
However, of course that's dependent on how you mean 'communal': eg. I would classify humans as individuals who like to participate communally, whereas you may actually class them as communal organisms. In this case, there would be nothing incorrect about your statement, I would just find it confusing because of the difference in our terminology.

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Post by: Doppleganger on February 04, 2009, 07:01:18 am
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Yes. I think the reward/punishment model is completely unrelated to morality, because, AFAIK, what it instills is mindless, unreasoning fear or mindless, unreasoning confidence -- ie. habits. Whereas morality, as far as I understand it, is contextual - no matter how horrible an action or choice seems to you, there are situations where that choice is the best available and therefore the most moral choice, so strong reasoning skills are crucial. Your habits can help you behave morally but you cannot rely on them.

Exactly. It is for those exact reasons why somebody can repeatedly commit the same offense but in a different context without truly realizing why it is unacceptable. It is why a child must be disciplined from birth to adulthood (they never truly learn to reason right from wrong), and also why a criminal tends to repeatedly commit similar crimes. Of course, those are not the sole reasons, but I believe they hold common ground in most cases. Another reason is that with reward and punishment, one is forced to weigh the pros and cons of any action, which has been instilled in them as their main source of reason. When one is presented with an "immoral" situation where the reward outweighs the punishment, the likelihood of punishment detracting the individual from committing that "immoral" act is not that great. The fact that punishment to some could be neutral or even a reward to others further muddles the prospect of reward and punishment. In almost all societies the judicial system is meant to be set up in such a way that the punishment fits the crime, so that reward vs punishment reasoning becomes "balanced" and whatever decision a person makes becomes a reflection of their character and nothing more. However, this can not always be the case, and indeed it is not.

In America, the lower class tends to fit the mold of anything but privileged white male ideals. Part of this is because they do not desire to fit this mold, but the greater part is because they are prevented from fitting this mold in the first place. These ideals are are sacred ground, and are not meant to be tread upon by just anybody. The evidence of this can be seen through every movement the United States has had (women's rights, immigrant's rights, colored people's rights, and currently going on now is the rights of gays and lesbians). Eventually the rights of atheists will come into play, but the only point to make with that now is that these privileged white male ideals stem from the ideals of christianity-- which are still firmly rooted in the upper echelons of power in our society. The central point to be made here is that when one is persecuted, they are forced into less than desirable situations, and being in these situations throws the judicial "balance" off-kilter. This is why crime is more prevalent in lower class neighborhoods, why the crimes seem to relate to means of survival (robbery, drug dealing), and why the focus in a lower class community tends not to be one of meeting privileged white male ideals, but of survival. Our legal system believes it is fairly balanced, and that any crime committed is due to bad character and not any other reason, and the sentences related to inner-city crime tend to be harsher than those of white-collar crime because of it. This is because those from the inner-city are judged as having bad character by default. Not meeting the expectations of priviliged white male ideals is looked down upon by our society, and this is greatly reflected in how we punish those who do not meet them.

I kind of deviated from the initial point I was making, but I think that's okay. It's important to note, however, that a lot of what I wrote seems to be stated as fact, but a lot of it is simply conjecture stated in an affirmative way.

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Careful! I'm pretty sure it doesn't contradict that statement.
Communal organisms are not individuals (whether taken as a whole or parts), by definition, so their behaviour cannot reasonably inform our knowledge of individual organisms.
However, of course that's dependent on how you mean 'communal': eg. I would classify humans as individuals who like to participate communally, whereas you may actually class them as communal organisms. In this case, there would be nothing incorrect about your statement, I would just find it confusing because of the difference in our terminology.

You're right in saying that it doesn't really contradict that statement. However, when a community of the afore-mentioned organisms is dominated by those who carry the selfish gene of expedited self-replication, that community will inevitably kill itself. I guess the problem in my argument is that the community can still be seen as a single entity (and is indeed classified as one), so instances of selfish organisms can be seen as a blight to the organism moreso than a selfish organism looking to capitalize on the benefits of communal living. I still don't doubt the significance such an organism holds when dealing with selfish genes and their implications toward our current biological thinking. If I could remember where exactly it was that I read that article, perhaps I could draw more pertinent information for the point I was actually trying to make. But alas, I have a heaping pile of Scientific American and Discover magazines in addition to the vast vast internet, and so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on February 04, 2009, 07:13:15 am
The selfish gene that regulates self replication rates would not just maximize itself, it would reach the equilibrium that allowed the most algae to exist, and still not drown. That is the gene maximizing itself, not just going as hard and fast as it can.
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Post by: Dusty on February 04, 2009, 07:16:25 am
So FF3 update and no bilinear switch off. That makes me sad :(
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Post by: Helm on February 04, 2009, 12:32:55 pm
Doppleganger some interesting thoughts on justice and the class system. Thanks.
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Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 04, 2009, 09:32:40 pm
Scott Pilgrim Volume 5 is out today! I did the art for the back cover so everyone should buy a copy!  :D
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Post by: Jad on February 05, 2009, 02:33:20 am
Yup, mail just arrived, Gosh! Comics in the UK has the special bookplate w/ signature edition in stock : D

Just sent my order! Yayayayay more pilgrim <3
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Post by: Atnas on February 05, 2009, 02:54:09 am
Oh man, Scott Pilgrim! So that's the name! I remember going through the comics my brother-in-law ordered four years ago (in secret), finding, and reading the first volume. Of course, I was eleven or twelve at the time so I don't remember all that much about it, but I was really pulled in by the art style and the general subject matter. It even spurred me to hastily make some comics of my own. Sadly, I never remembered the name and couldn't ask my brother in law later because I wasn't supposed to be reading it. (he said it was too mature for me)

I'm so buying these ASAP.  ;D
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Post by: JJ Naas on February 05, 2009, 10:58:28 am
I've not even read the fourth yet. I have to order them both from Amazon. Last I bought Faith Hicks' The War at Ellesmere. (http://www.faitherinhicks.com/ellsmere/) I'm a long time fan of her works. She's Canadian too, like O'Malley. They do some nice stuff over there.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on February 05, 2009, 11:50:51 am
Haha, WTF, her style and O'Malley's really go together there O: Some stylistic choices that really match!

I mean, what is this? Is the same thing happening in canada that's happened in japan? Artists influencing each other and creating a regional 'style' kinda? Canadaism!

Haha, hope not. That drawing 'style' is awesome though. Made me wanna read it instantly O:!
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Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 05, 2009, 02:37:07 pm
I love how Faith Hicks gives all her characters giant noses. And yet they're so pretty.
*in love*   :'(  :'(  :'(
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Post by: Jakten on February 06, 2009, 04:49:45 am
My girl friend pre-ordered #5 but they didn't get it in on time so I should get to check it out next Wednesday. I look forward to seeing your stuff on the back Ben2theEdge. Is it related to the streetfighting game you were making of it?

It's kind of strange, there actually is quite a bit of artists in Canada who have a similar style O'Malley.
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Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 06, 2009, 02:15:52 pm
It's actually unrelated to the fan-game I was working on. The stuff I did for this is more NES-era Capcom-ish than anything. Basically we made back cover look like the back of a NES box; the "screenshots" even have that weird roundish cropping, heheh. I'll post it all on Pixelation eventually so everyone can tear it to pieces  :crazy:
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Post by: Helm on February 06, 2009, 02:18:58 pm
Cool. Congrats to you.
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Post by: junkboy on February 06, 2009, 05:01:38 pm
That sounds fucking awesome, Ben2theEdge. Can't wait to check it out!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 09, 2009, 04:38:37 pm
Im officially at war with my housemates, they decided it'd be fun to start playin pranks on me the last couple of months, waking me up with guitars, turning everything in my room upside down, re-aranging my room, locking me out my room in the morning, setting the fire alarm off in the early hours of the morning etc. More irritating than anything >:(

Decided it's war, the whole of yesterday I tied their bedroom doors together and left em in there for a total of 12 hours.  :lol:

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9995/lockedinly4.jpg)

Love it if you guys could give me some tips, im thinking of putting paroxide in their shampoo so over time their hair goes blonde mysteriously.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on February 09, 2009, 05:39:36 pm
Take out the bottom draw and put some meat in the back, or a fish or something to rot, then replace the drawer and by the time they find where the smell is coming from it will be pretty disgusting to clean up.

gravy cubes in the shower head

lots of viagra in there coffee

steal/hide all of there trousers

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 09, 2009, 05:50:13 pm
lots of viagra in there coffee

Please don't say such things trivially. 'Lots' of viagra can very well give you an erection that eventually clots and makes your penis fall to gangrene and will have to be cut off. Imagine having this happen to you and not knowing why.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on February 09, 2009, 05:54:23 pm
oh come on dude, lighten up!

They were just a couple of ideas for fun.


Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 09, 2009, 06:09:07 pm
dick gangrene is never fun.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 09, 2009, 06:11:13 pm
If you have a sink with a spray attachment (like this) (http://www.rd.com/images/tfhimport/2003/20030701_You_Can_Fix_It_page003img002.jpg), take some black electrical tape and tape the trigger down, then aim the sprayer to face outwards towards anyone standing at the sink. Next person to turn the tap on will get a surprise!  >:D
I've done this one before and it works beautifully.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on February 09, 2009, 06:21:12 pm
dick gangrene is never fun.

something your not telling us?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on February 09, 2009, 06:53:17 pm
dick gangrene is never fun.
something your not telling us?
Umm, I think it's just that dick gangrene is sincerely never fun, and you can tell just by the name, and dick-cutting-off process. If you can laugh about causing your housemates to lose their genitals, then I think there's something a little wrong with you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 09, 2009, 07:08:57 pm
It just struck me that your humorous suggestion could lead to real trouble as that's what happens when you give someone lots of viagra. I'm just giving you some information to save you potential awfulness and yet you try to milk it for some sort of ill-placed joke about my own penis.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 09, 2009, 07:17:13 pm
Just to be clear, Im not indending to give anyone viagra.    ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zenobia on February 09, 2009, 08:54:31 pm
This apparently wasn't the time to start following this topic again...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on February 09, 2009, 09:16:43 pm
This apparently wasn't the time to start following this topic again...

Was there ever a time?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on February 09, 2009, 10:04:58 pm
Pull clear saran wrap over the toilette opening during the night.  Giggle in the morning.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on February 10, 2009, 06:37:00 pm
Put soap or lotion on their toilet seat. Really uncofortable to slide around when taking a shit.
Get some of those firecracker-on-a-string things that explode when you pull it, and stick it to every door/cupboard/wardrobe in their room(s).
Freeze some shaving cream cans, then at night cut them in half and sneak it into their place. It expands like hell and the floor will be covered in it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Batzy on February 11, 2009, 05:02:59 pm
You like my new AVA ?  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on February 11, 2009, 09:29:12 pm
Put soap or lotion on their toilet seat. Really uncofortable to slide around when taking a shit.
Get some of those firecracker-on-a-string things that explode when you pull it, and stick it to every door/cupboard/wardrobe in their room(s).
Freeze some shaving cream cans, then at night cut them in half and sneak it into their place. It expands like hell and the floor will be covered in it.

Mythbusters tried that last one about shaving cream except ehy used it in a car. Results were... underwhelming unfortunately. They made up for it though by using buckets of some sort of highly flammable, super expanding chemical. Results were... much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2OBWE0uYM&feature=related
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on February 12, 2009, 07:16:38 pm
Put soap or lotion on their toilet seat. Really uncofortable to slide around when taking a shit.
Get some of those firecracker-on-a-string things that explode when you pull it, and stick it to every door/cupboard/wardrobe in their room(s).
Freeze some shaving cream cans, then at night cut them in half and sneak it into their place. It expands like hell and the floor will be covered in it.

Mythbusters tried that last one about shaving cream except ehy used it in a car. Results were... underwhelming unfortunately. They made up for it though by using buckets of some sort of highly flammable, super expanding chemical. Results were... much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2OBWE0uYM&feature=related

Saw that one on TV. But i have seen home videos where it actually worked. Not sure if there is any on youtube though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on February 13, 2009, 12:29:19 am
Well, there goes the fourth and final Futurama movie.
This one was all about Fry's destiny the niblonians hinted at in previous episodes, overall another good movie.

I'm glad there was a cliffhanger ending, because there was talk they would be wrapping the entire series up and not leaving any room for continuation.
I still doubt the show will get another chance, but there may be another dvd movie or two down the line...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on February 13, 2009, 09:04:40 am
Well... David X. Cohen said Fox was happy with the performance of the dvds.
Not that it means anything, but I guess the chances of geting something after the movies are bigger than before.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on February 14, 2009, 11:44:16 pm
Happy birthday AdamAtomic! ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on February 16, 2009, 02:08:21 am
Happy birthday Adam!

And uh banding really needs to be adressed more, found this (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii201/temporicide/MPOnline.gif) on a mobile game site.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 16, 2009, 03:59:24 am
I'm going to write an open-ended tutorial about banding soon. Just trying to think of what ways to approach it so it makes sense.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 16, 2009, 06:07:06 am
I only really wrapped my head around the idea of banding recently, but it seems to me now that there's a pretty standard fix for it:
stolen from Jad:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/tocky/jad-Banding.gif)
stolen from Eyecraft:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/tocky/eyecraft-brick-shading.png)
does this have a name? am I allowed to call it 'bricklaying'?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on February 16, 2009, 08:07:53 am
Let's not give a name for too many things or we'll start inventing 'techniques' again = __=;;

It'll be like 'I used 16 colors and bricklaying for most of the ramps' and half of the comments in the thread will go 'what is bricklaying?' ... I'm afraid.

Just telling people to not stack equally big shading bands on top of each other'd be a good start I reckon? But that's not all banding is about, the banding effect can appear in much more subtle situations.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 16, 2009, 08:16:56 am
Is it also banding where you have the same colour used in close quarters for two different reasons (like aa and shading) and they bleed into each other, sort of messing up the shape?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on February 16, 2009, 03:20:30 pm
does this have a name? am I allowed to call it 'bricklaying'?
It's "anti-aliasing"  :'(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 16, 2009, 03:29:06 pm
does this have a name? am I allowed to call it 'bricklaying'?
It's "anti-aliasing"  :'(

 :y: :y: :y:

*PROPER* anti-alaising should prevent banding. Improper anti-alaising can actually *cause* some of those weird subtle banding effects Jad mentioned. You probably can't really talk about one without mentioning the other, they are each other's arch nemesis.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: HughSpectrum on February 16, 2009, 03:34:21 pm
Selective brick laying.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on February 16, 2009, 04:44:00 pm
Selective brick laying.

I will never say 'anti-alias' again : D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on February 16, 2009, 05:54:07 pm
I always thought banding was shading that followed the shape of the outline rather than being shaded with the shape of the object in mind.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on February 16, 2009, 08:20:29 pm
Also, as much as I like Helm, I am not sure banding is a good name to use for it (although it kinda makes sense) since it is already used to another thing in digital imaging.

Colour Banding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_banding)

Many people in graphics just call this banding and not colour banding which would be correct, so shit like this could get confusing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 16, 2009, 09:16:45 pm
We could just call it shitty AA?

I think the problem with constantly referring back to AA is that most people don't know what aliasing is, really. Hell, I don't. I think I more or less have the hang of AA, but considering that it's the main technique specific to pixel art, I think there's a real lack of information there. Has anyone ever seen an AA tutorial for beginning pixel artists?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on February 16, 2009, 10:38:00 pm
Has anyone ever seen an AA tutorial for beginning pixel artists?

This is what i grew up on: http://spriteart.com/tutorials/01_AA.html
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skamocore on February 17, 2009, 12:38:38 am
Selective brick laying.

My next piece will definitely feature some sel-bri :o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 17, 2009, 12:43:54 am
Man, I would've had an easier time of it if I had actually bothered to read the spriteart tutorials as some point.

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sel-bri

this is the best thing that could possibly happen.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on February 17, 2009, 01:35:12 am
Sel-bri-lay? Sounds like some kind of special cream.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on February 17, 2009, 01:48:45 am
Anyone follow that cat abuser Kenny Glenn thing?

Some punk uploaded a video of himself smacking his cat around, slamming him into the wall and throwing him under the shower on youtube.
Catches the attention of anonymous, they do their detective work and shenanigans.
Authorities take the kid (and his cameraman friend) into custody and the cat is taken away from them within the day.

Sad thing was the cat just goes limp and takes it, obviously not a one time affair.




In other news, C64 games are (probably) coming to the Wii's virtual console :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Alonso on February 17, 2009, 08:29:03 am
Sorry for being off-topic. I recently discovered GraphicsGale had the custom brush feature (alas). For anyone in doubt or frustration, I quote directly from the help file:

Reload Pen/Tile
Reloads pens and tiles user made.
Pens and tiles must be BMP file, and must be placed in the folder named "pen" in the following folder.
WindowsXP: C:\Documents and Settings\(Windows user name)\Application Data\Humanbalance\GraphicsGale
WindowsVista: Desktop->(Windows user name)->AppData->Roaming->Humanbalance->GraphicsGale
Windows98: C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Humanbalance\GraphicsGale
Besides, the BMP must be a monochrome(1bit), the size of a pen must be 32x32, and the size of a tile must be 16x16.
In a pen, white area will put a color in the canvas. In a tile, white area will be replaced with the first color, and black area will be replaced with the second color.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 17, 2009, 02:23:49 pm
That's pretty handy Alonso! I've been wondering how to do that.

In other news, Street Fighter: Pagan* Edition comes out today!

*Non-2D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on February 17, 2009, 06:16:12 pm
It(SF4) completely sold out in Japan on it's opening day, so that's gotta' tell you something about the love still given for this franchise, despite some of the previous critical concerns of it's graphic direction, on this website. I'll be sure to pick up this game when I get the chance, and partake in some online beatings.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 17, 2009, 06:40:09 pm
I'm not gonna lie, I'm super-psyched about it! Didn't like the initially released screens so much but the end result is awesomesauce.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 17, 2009, 08:15:31 pm
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/tocky/02ox9.jpg)
http://www.cpczone.net/boards/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=18624 (http://www.cpczone.net/boards/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=18624)
full set of these (fan-made?) cpc overscan screens, mostly from 80s action movie posters.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 18, 2009, 05:50:33 pm
Banding meaning a different thing in other sections of digital technical talk isn't a problem, or at least is asmuch as dithering meaning a different thing (it does) or even pixelation meaning a different thing (it does). We can't search for words that nobody else has ever used ever. I do not have any personal stake in the name of 'banding' at all, and it was I think Peppermint Pig who first noticed the effect and named it 'vertical breaking' but I do not use that term because it also happens horizontally, and calling it horizontal/vertical breaking is too much for me, and 'breaking' is too little, too vague.

Re: why not call banding shitty AA: because there's shitty AA that bands, and there's shitty AA that doesn't band. There's also good AA that bands, and good AA that doesn't band. I need to write a tutorial on how to approach banding, I think.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on February 18, 2009, 09:21:38 pm
re: shitty AA

You didn't actually have to respond to this, because it is an inherently bad idea. Saying that stuff is "shitty" doesn't really tell you why you shouldn't do it, and besides telling people that their stuff is shitty will piss them off, and they won't listen to you anymore. Please don't take my more horrible ideas seriously, I only mentioned it as a straw man against constantly referring back to AA, and possibly because I was pissed because of the sel-bri thing. I think a lot of people still don't get AA really, I think is my point. Lots of people have a good intuitive understanding of how it should work, but I haven't seen a lot of science or good explanations about aliasing in general or AA in particular.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 18, 2009, 10:19:40 pm
Well besides 'shitty' we could tell people their AA needs work, but the effect is separate and I would say requires specific consideration. Banding is not a 'secret technique'. It is an inherent effect of pixel art, a fault that is often repeated and should be looked into much more carefully than it is. People seem to instinctively learn to avoid unfavourable bands, but instinct is one thing and proper codification is another. Soon.

Ptoing has SCIENCE! on aa. He should show you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on February 18, 2009, 10:30:08 pm
I am still working on that D:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 19, 2009, 08:39:41 pm
My brother's bin rushed to hospital with appendicitis  :( keepin him over night and he's avin surgery tomorrow.

Well worried, seems pretty bad  :'(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 19, 2009, 08:54:31 pm
I hope everything goes as good as it can go, man  :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on February 19, 2009, 09:55:51 pm
My brother's bin rushed to hospital with appendicitis  :( keepin him over night and he's avin surgery tomorrow.

Well worried, seems pretty bad  :'(

If it's caught early on it should be fairly safe, I don't believe the procedure it self is that dangerous, pretty routine, but the actual rupturing of the appendix could be (if it goes that far). I had appendicitis as a 7 year old. The appendix ruptured, healed, ruptured, healed, etc over the course of four-five months. This was back in '94 and left a pretty big scar that's still visible.

Hoping everything goes well!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on February 19, 2009, 10:37:52 pm
My brother's bin rushed to hospital with appendicitis  :( keepin him over night and he's avin surgery tomorrow.

Well worried, seems pretty bad  :'(

Ouch.   :sry:

All the best.  Wish him luck for me.
Older or younger brother, if you don't mind talking about it?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 19, 2009, 11:26:58 pm
Twin brother, he's like my best mate. he's 19 too.

thx guys.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on February 20, 2009, 12:08:27 am
Hey Terley I'm sure he will be just fine.. appendectomy is probably the most common surgical procedure done. If they are operating tomorrow it means it hasn't burst, so he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on February 20, 2009, 05:05:29 pm
Is there a place where one can go and grab common formats of C64 and especially Amiga music?

MP3's would be great. All I can find are odd formats I don't know what to do with. My goal is to listen to music from the Amiga and earlier C64 versions on my computer.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on February 20, 2009, 05:26:55 pm
those "odd formats" can probably be listened to by adding some plugin to your favorite player, if you search on the web for that weird format+plugin you can probably find something that lets you play it as easily as an MP3.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on February 20, 2009, 08:35:48 pm
All the best to your bro!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jim16 on February 20, 2009, 08:44:06 pm
Hope all go's well there mate. Having a twin myself I know how it can be.
Twins rule!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on February 21, 2009, 12:36:29 am
Sooo.... Has anyone found a pixelling program for iPhone/Touch yet?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JonathanOfDrain on February 21, 2009, 11:57:44 pm
Sooo.... Has anyone found a pixelling program for iPhone/Touch yet?
No idea about pixel programs but there's colours/colors for them. I don't think Pixel Art, an art form that's really about refining stuff, should be done on inferior technology. No offense to the iProducts but I feel like pixel art shouldn't be done on them. A mobile version of something is almost always inferior. You should do sketches with that color program and then pixel them up on a computer.


@Terley:
Does he need a pixel-art get well soon card?
I guess if need be they could just use you for parts. Like a car... because people are like cars.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on February 22, 2009, 05:48:19 am
"8-Bit" Music Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfCZx1tRUs

Lol  ;D.......................... :-\ ........................??!??!??!!!????!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!11||||!!(&%T!!!"%$&/%&/?=~#@ !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on February 23, 2009, 12:23:25 am
Does anyone have the link banner for Pixelation?

http://adam.lastchancemedia.com/gfx/link_pix.gif is broken.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on February 23, 2009, 12:38:23 am
Woo, found Detroit Rock City for $9 !yus!
Gene Simmons' commentary is pretty interesting
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 23, 2009, 05:22:23 pm
my bro's had surgery over the weekend n bin discharged this afternoon, he shd be ok  :P  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: leroy on February 23, 2009, 06:52:51 pm
ok dats grt and you cn stp talkng liek dis nao  :y: ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on February 23, 2009, 09:44:54 pm
I always wonder why people take such offense to someone typing in shorthand. I really don't mind it, maybe it's because I do it myself, or maybe because I don't mind it, I do it myself.

Though Terley doesn't have a history of this style of writing so I assume he is tired, and he has just cause to be. I'm glad your bro is ok. c:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on February 23, 2009, 10:37:02 pm
Leroy, that's not very nice.
I'm sure Terley was busy running off to go tend to his twin or something, not having much time to type, and his reward is someone criticizing him for doing so.

Glad he's going to be O.K., Terley!  Tell him we all say congrats.  How's your family coping?  When I was hospitalized we were all a mess.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: leroy on February 24, 2009, 01:37:20 pm
Wow I'm sorry, I didn't mean my little joke as an personal attack against him.  :huh:



PS. Geez.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on February 24, 2009, 03:17:27 pm
That sounded more like sarcasm then an apology, although I wasn't asking for either, I just wanted to point out you being insensitive.  Maybe some nice words, that's all.  Rather than criticizing and moving on.

Thank you for your apology.  Maybe I took what you said wrong.  Sorry if I did.  :-X
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Terley on February 24, 2009, 10:11:27 pm
Dude i'll fuckin type however I want, wouldn't of guessed i'd be pulled up for vocabulary here. Especially after coming here for support, however you meant it to come across it's still quite an arsy thing to say.

thx
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on February 25, 2009, 05:10:01 am
Can anybody point me in the direction of some EGA games which use a custom 16 colour palette rather than the standard EGA palette?

The only game I can ever recall seeing with one is the first Warlords game, and even then I'm not certain that it isn't just a 16 colour VGA palette.

Also any ideas why custom EGA palettes are so rare? Not well supported in hardware? Harder to code for? Fewer available features? Or is it just that VGA came along before anyone learned to fully exploit EGA?

If I can summon up sufficient motivation I want to try exploring the quality difference a custom EGA palette can provide over standard, so any examples you can point me toward could come in useful.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on February 25, 2009, 02:45:42 pm
Duke Nukem 2 and Fire & Ice are two 16-color DOS games that I can think of off the top of my head... I think they were 16-color VGA though, not EGA. (And Duke Nukem 2 is a textbook example of how to make a 16-color palette that's almost as useless as EGA  :crazy:)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on February 25, 2009, 10:35:18 pm
Does anyone here play Quadradius (http://quadradius.com/quadradius/index.html)? Hopefully you've never experienced a misfortunate encounter with the one known as OrBLIVION. See that you never do.

If you haven't tried it yet, I urge you to do so. If you do, what's your moniker?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on February 26, 2009, 12:02:55 am
This is the anti-game. It is a collection of game-like elements, but somehow manages to botch them all. It doesn't just leave fun out of the recipe, it leaves it unsold on the store shelf. The game seems to hinge on powerups (with long-winded, obfuscated rules) that appear at random times in random places. To top it off, its appearance is insipid and unimaginative.

Basically, it's like the fat girl at the party who looks like she fell out of the ugly tree, hitting every branch on the way down. After landing on her face, someone shoots makeup onto her with a shotgun. Inner beauty be damned; she advertises her grating personality in a screeching falsetto, warding off those who might accidentally come closer than ten feet of her gaping maw. God have mercy on anyone who interrupts her from feasting on birthday cake and jungle juice.

Pass. Run, don't walk.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ai on February 26, 2009, 12:49:14 am
Duke Nukem 2 and Fire & Ice are two 16-color DOS games that I can think of off the top of my head... I think they were 16-color VGA though, not EGA. (And Duke Nukem 2 is a textbook example of how to make a 16-color palette that's almost as useless as EGA  :crazy:)
(IIRC, Fire & Ice used 32 colors, as it was an Amiga port)
The sad thing about DN2 was that VGA actually doesn't have a 320x200x16 mode (only the EGA compatibility does), so basically, they totally ignored the added potential of 256 colors.
EGA isn't as bad as that, though. Remember that at that point, the idea of games on PCs was still not taken very seriously, so realism in games really wasn't even worth considering. The ultra-saturated palette of EGA actually lends itself quite well to comic/cartoon-style art, and you can see a lot of that kind of art in the best games of the time. Amstrad CPC mode 0 games, with the somewhat larger 16-of-27 color palette, can demonstrate the effectiveness of this kind of palette.

Quote from: surt
Can anybody point me in the direction of some EGA games which use a custom 16 colour palette rather than the standard EGA palette?

The only game I can ever recall seeing with one is the first Warlords game, and even then I'm not certain that it isn't just a 16 colour VGA palette.
Is that game high resolution (640x350, 640x400)? Custom EGA palette for 320x200x16 == not supported in hardware at all. 640x350 == high res EGA, 16 colors from a 64-color (4*4*4) colorcube. 640x400 == high res VGA.

I think that 16-of-64 colors was only available on EGA cards with 256k memory, which were a minority. (ditto for 640x350).
However, Wikipedia contradicts me on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Graphics_Adapter
It's possible it was only a limitation of QBasic that prevented me from customizing the palette in 320x200 mode,
anyway I've never seen anything that customized the palette in 320x200 mode.

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Also any ideas why custom EGA palettes are so rare? Not well supported in hardware? Harder to code for? Fewer available features? Or is it just that VGA came along before anyone learned to fully exploit EGA?
640x350 is harder to code for. Most highres EGA games are not action games, cause of the lack of special tricks we can do to get better scrolling/faster screen updates.
With standard 320x200x16, similar tricks to VGA ModeX were available for smooth scrolling, fast blitting, etc.


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If I can summon up sufficient motivation I want to try exploring the quality difference a custom EGA palette can provide over standard, so any examples you can point me toward could come in useful.
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3225.msg40939#msg40939
is really the only EGA64 resource I know of. We have no EGA64 pics posted here, nor any in PixelJoint, AFAIK, and Google doesn't help much.

I did find out something interesting though -- PGC/PGA adaptors were Amiga-like, in that they allowed 256 onscreen colors from a 4096-color master palette. Kind of like a mix of OCS and AGA.
http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/pgc.html
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on February 26, 2009, 01:28:35 am
Is that game high resolution (640x350, 640x400)? Custom EGA palette for 320x200x16 == not supported in hardware at all. 640x350 == high res EGA, 16 colors from a 64-color (4*4*4) colorcube. 640x400 == high res VGA.
Warlords is 640x200.

640x350 is harder to code for. Most highres EGA games are not action games, cause of the lack of special tricks we can do to get better scrolling/faster screen updates.
With standard 320x200x16, similar tricks to VGA ModeX were available for smooth scrolling, fast blitting, etc.
Thought as much.

This page (http://members.chello.at/theodor.lauppert/games/ega.htm) says that the custom palette were only available at 640x350 so I guess that would make Warlords VGA after all.

Thanks for the info.

And talking of Duke Nukem, this is just shameful (http://www.nemmelheim.de/turrican/news/duke/).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on February 26, 2009, 09:08:39 am
hm There was a dead body dumped close to our house. :(

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20090226-191070/3-salvage-victims-found-in-Las-Pias
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on February 26, 2009, 07:33:13 pm
So I'm working on a project for the DS, and I'm wondering... is there any restrictions I should bother with? I don't imagine color is much of an issue, and I'm pretty sure tiles are either 8x8 or 16x16.

What about tile capacity? I'm just throwing together a mock-up and I'm not really to concerned with making things tile, so I might have a lot of huge chunks of tiles to use rather than any 'smart' tiling. Is that going to be a problem?

Anything else I should know? We plan to have a large amount of sprites on the screen at once, can it handle that?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on February 26, 2009, 08:00:33 pm
And talking of Duke Nukem, this is just shameful (http://www.nemmelheim.de/turrican/news/duke/).

OMG! I had the shareware version of Duke Nuk'em 2 and absolutely loved it. VGs often parrot other games styles, but this is quite blatant copying. I wonder if any of the turrican people worked on DN2. At the very leaast, they did a pretty good job of inserting the stolen graphics into their game. They don't looks out of place like most ripped graphcis do.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 26, 2009, 08:08:23 pm
Indeed, shameful! Using some graphics as placeholders in some freeware game is one thing, but Apogee made money out of DN2 and that's just not right to swipe that hard.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on February 26, 2009, 08:24:09 pm
So I'm working on a project for the DS, and I'm wondering... is there any restrictions I should bother with? I don't imagine color is much of an issue, and I'm pretty sure tiles are either 8x8 or 16x16.

What about tile capacity? I'm just throwing together a mock-up and I'm not really to concerned with making things tile, so I might have a lot of huge chunks of tiles to use rather than any 'smart' tiling. Is that going to be a problem?

Anything else I should know? We plan to have a large amount of sprites on the screen at once, can it handle that?

The DS has a 2D engine which actually is less powerful than the GBA one relatively speaking (they are the same but GBA has smaller screen so you can buffer the scrolling easier in memory). But then the DS has a 3D engine. Now lets look at some stats.

In the 2D engine i think you get 256 sprites at any one time and you can only rotate and scale 32 at the same time I think (also big sprites which you want to rotate need to be flagged doublesize and I think that makes them cost 2 sprites.

In the 3D engine you can have 2k polygons (quads count as one if they are planar) per frame at 60fps. So now you can just map all your background and sprites onto flat 3D polygons and you also get scaling and rotation FOR FREE! 2D engine has a max of 4 background tile layers. In 3D you can go as deep as you want I think and if you have transparent stuff I think the Zsorting goes something like 9 polygons in depth (not too sure about this stuff)

Fact is that you should use the 3D engine to do 2D stuff, that it is 3D will not be visible at all. The stuff can be mapped so that it is flat on and it will looks just like 2D. There still is a 16 colour per texture restriction (you can have 256 colour texture too tho) but this should not be an issue, you just make the background sheets of textures you can cobble together, I think just using 256 colour ones would be fine anyway. But this kinda stuff has to be checked when actually coding. How much ram is free and whatnot.

But yeh, tell your coder to go 3D. I think you can even combine the 3D and 2D stuff, so you could use a 2D layer for the hud or the far background.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on February 26, 2009, 10:26:23 pm
nice info
Thanks a ton for the useful info. So if we go 3D limitations is not really much of a concern? Tile-wise I don't think we'll have much problem, but we want to have as many sprites possible on the screen at once(like 50+ zombies on the screen at once, possibly more).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on February 27, 2009, 09:51:01 pm
Does anyone here play Quadradius (http://quadradius.com/quadradius/index.html)? Hopefully you've never experienced a misfortunate encounter with the one known as OrBLIVION. See that you never do.

If you haven't tried it yet, I urge you to do so. If you do, what's your moniker?

I played as a guest or whatever at a time. My friend owned me, though :o

@Terley, glad everything's okay with him man

@ptoing, that info is quite useful, thanks. What don't you know? :D


Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on February 27, 2009, 10:55:28 pm
http://blumunkee.com/

Assholes stole my domain name! >:(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on February 28, 2009, 02:17:19 am
When I was deciding a domain name I chose not to pick an alias because I felt it was somehow egotistical. like ITSMETHISISMINE.com

But I never get that impression when I see someone else doing it, it always just comes across as... professional? Funny how things change with perspective.

But yes, that's unfortunate, it makes a great domain name. ;_;
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SirBilly on February 28, 2009, 05:51:08 pm
Rawr, first post! Expect to see me around :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on March 01, 2009, 05:10:22 am
reading the forums whilst drunk at 5am is not reccomeneded
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: deziresoft on March 01, 2009, 06:24:14 am
Going off the current subject, but I'm posting anyway.

So far I've been playing guitar for about 4 maybe 5 months now.  I've been practicing day in and day out, I've learned a lot, and right now practicing Afterlife's solo. :D

Mainly the solo "outro" the one before the rev starts laughing uncontrollably.   The tab is like some 13 15 13 15 bullshit, it's not the right tab, so I gotta learn by ear, it's going quite good.  Once I finish the song completely, expect a video on YouTube :D [I'll post the link in this topic]
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Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 01, 2009, 09:46:44 am
(http://i39.tinypic.com/25piww1.jpg)
does Jolie's pose look as messed up to anyone else as it does to me?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 01, 2009, 12:38:49 pm
Yeah photoshoppery occured but more importantly, that movie was in the bottom 10 worst movies I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on March 01, 2009, 12:43:34 pm
Looking at this cover, I already know I will never catch this one.  Even if it involves Angelina!! :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 01, 2009, 12:54:12 pm
I honestly didn't mind the movie, but by that I mean I liked the ridiculous fight scenes.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 01, 2009, 01:43:40 pm
The ridiculous fight scenes were not so much the problem as the... story. Story? That thing, anyway.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 01, 2009, 05:30:26 pm
I just love the lyrics to The Sound of Animals Fighting's songs. Actually this is a spoken part.
Code: [Select]
I don't understand French, but if I could,
I would write beautiful songs about horrible things.
Because it is said to be the language of love and romance,
and if love didn't exist, there wouldn't be any horrible things.
You must care to cry, love something in order to hate something.
You must have a heart in order for it to be broken.
Many people walk in a dream.
They feel entitled to happiness and feel anger when it is not waiting for them.
I know that the world owes me nothing, yet has given me a great deal.
It is our own perception we get to bend and mold to our liking,
once that is accomplished, the reality we once knew begins to change.
My neighbor may be dark and gloomy,
but I find it a perfect day to go outside.
I can knock on his door,
but that doesn't mean he will answer.
And I will have to walk away, sad, from his little house
where he sleeps and smokes and drinks all day,
just to escape what he does not yet know.
We find ourselves in little boxes watching little boxes.
We see an edited version of human life,
targeted on alienating us as individuals,
to distract us from the seedy underbelly of politics and business.
We are products of a Machiavellian society.
Look at the pretty girl dancing,
her hair is so shiny. I want my hair to be shiny.
Look at the man with chizzled features,
use the razor he is using.
It will give you the kind of charm that woman crave.
Women will want you.
Men will adore you.
You will be happy.
You will be empty, because it is not about the product,
but the feeling they try to convey.
And it is not for your benefit,
but for the benefit of the holders of the company.
We must burn our little boxes.
We must create dialogue.
We must realize the importance of every moment.
We must turn our boredom to gratitude.
Use your hands, your thoughts, your hunger.
These things are yours and yours alone.
codebox to not stretch for those not interested~
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 02, 2009, 03:21:51 pm
Some fun listening while you're at work http://radio.seti.org/episodes
In the end of a recent episode they talk about someone who lives in a constant dj vu http://radio.seti.org/episodes/Skeptical_Sunday_Que_Sera_No_Sera_
Seems like there hasn't been much research on dj vu yet, even though it's a pretty common experience.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SirBilly on March 02, 2009, 03:22:40 pm
These forum smileys are awesome, who made them?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 02, 2009, 03:37:09 pm
Snake, back in 2007: http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=4105.msg51781#msg51781 :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SirBilly on March 02, 2009, 03:59:55 pm
Kool!  :y: ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on March 02, 2009, 11:32:39 pm
Haha what's up with the jad-atar fad : D

It's strangely interesting. Although I feel I need to get an update in avatar sooner or later.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 03, 2009, 12:24:34 am
The subpixeling, uncommon thick outline, pleasant colors, and the overall jiggly wiggly niceness must make it popular :3

Edit:

One year since my registration: (http://www.lolipopsicle.com/linky/111111.png) !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on March 03, 2009, 01:33:03 am
Haha what's up with the jad-atar fad : D

because jad is the awesome  :)

sorry I changed mine D :
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on March 03, 2009, 08:17:38 am
Dude, I love it. Portrait fadatars is the best. It also gives us a face for eachother which I like. I mean I have a weird look somewhere between skinny and pudgy with these emo glasses and stuff

and I trick people into thinking I'm some kind of orange jelly that's so cute sometimes refer to me as him (her?), hahaha

It's not the truth but ya know. It'd be nice - is what I was going to say but I actually enjoy me not being a blob, heh
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 03, 2009, 02:02:06 pm
I always did wonder how Alkaline and Jad were able to pixel or even use a computer at all since they're just little jellies.  :huh:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: EyeCraft on March 03, 2009, 02:58:47 pm
Nice, Alkaline. Kind of reminds me a little of Kira from Death Note.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SirBilly on March 03, 2009, 10:06:42 pm
I'd like to pixel my face, but I'm not sure I'll make one that actually looks like me.
 I need an avatar at all anyway, without being recognized as a wiggly jelly blob, perhaps a brick or something. :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 05, 2009, 01:07:10 am
Hey, I just found some interesting research. They found that color differences between men and women's faces are a major way we tell them apart. Men's faces tend to be more red, and women's tend to be more green. I think this could be useful information for making faces, especially if you want to make your character more masculine or feminine. Here is an article:

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2008/12/color
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Arachne on March 06, 2009, 01:19:27 am
Introducing the latest additions to our family:

Lucy
(http://www.retinaleclipse.com/lucy.jpg) :-*

Lucifer
(http://www.retinaleclipse.com/lucifer.jpg) >:D

Bonus cat picture
(http://www.retinaleclipse.com/hay.jpg)
"Waiter!"

 :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Stwelin on March 07, 2009, 02:08:39 am
Is anyone keen on a freeware program with a similar feature to Cosmigo Pro Motion that allows for tile editing? (editing one tile edits all similar tiles in the image)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on March 07, 2009, 02:30:08 am
Just buy Pro Motion.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Stwelin on March 07, 2009, 02:31:54 am
Because of course I have $80 lying around that isn't paying for my education or anything.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 07, 2009, 02:49:49 am
Glad to see you picked out a cool domain name blumunkee.  :>
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on March 07, 2009, 11:40:52 pm
Stewelin, the increase in productivity would more that offset a petty 80 dollars.

Atnas, thanks.

I saw Watchmen last night. It was tits.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 07, 2009, 11:54:36 pm
I saw Watchmen Friday night. It was awesome. I wore this shirt and attracted lots of angry glares. :lol:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/ben2theedge/NOSQUID.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 08, 2009, 01:08:16 pm
What does that t-shirt signify? Also have you read Watchmen the comic?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 08, 2009, 01:20:25 pm
I read the comic but only after I saw the trailer for the movie.

I'm not sure if it's still considered a "spoiler" or not. The shirt is supposed to be ironic; everyone has been making such a fuss about that one thing they changed about the book and I thought it'd be hilarious if some moron is actually ridiculously obessively overjoyed about it being taken out, so much so that had to buy a shirt to share the good news with the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 08, 2009, 01:45:51 pm
I see. Thanks for the info. It's really amazing for me that you liked the movie.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 08, 2009, 05:33:17 pm
Me specifically? Or me as someone who has read the comic?

When I read the book I found Rorsache to be incredibly compelling. He's just a really well-realized, character. I also liked Nite Owl 2 and Manhattan. The film version has flaws and if you want you can really tear it apart but I felt like those three characters were very well realized, especially Rorsache. If they tried to make the film again I don't think they could capture that lightning in a bottle a second time. That's what made it enjoyable to me, I was able to overlook some bad makeup and a few lackluster performances (Silk Spectre 2). The only character that completely missed the mark was Ozymandias, they basically made him into a more gay David Bowie. But he's really the only one that was a complete misfire.

I've heard a lot of people upset about how Snyder pumped up the action sequences and used slow motion and stuff but the huge massive action setpiece which is the Prison Escape, is only one minute long, in a movie that runs almost three hours, so it's not like he turned it into a popcorn flick.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 08, 2009, 05:42:50 pm
Played D&D for the first time yesterday. The DM is really creative so the quests are great, he puts a lot of effort into them. We're all role playing consistently too. I'm a Paladin, and there are I think three out of the six adventurers who are chaotic, so it makes things interesting.  :P

We started off making characters for version 4 but after two hours of that we kind of got a little overwhelmed and went back to 3.5.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 09, 2009, 02:39:56 am
I'm looking forward to Watchmen, and having never read a respectable comic in my life I doubt I'll be disappointed, so far the consensus seems to be that the graphic novel is superior.. which is how it usually goes for any to-film adaptation.

Also, The Warehouse (NZ equivalent of Walmart) has been having a big sale on DVDs, I found Dazed & Confused for under $10 :)
I also picked up a bunch of other movies, Back to the Future trilogy, Rebel Without a Cause, Corvette Summer, and more :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TrevoriuS on March 09, 2009, 09:22:09 am
Watchmen was awsome, only one section was left out that wasn't important to the actual story (tales of the dead).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on March 09, 2009, 08:23:16 pm
I loved Watchmen aswell. Saw it yesterday. Need to see it again soon though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on March 10, 2009, 12:39:39 pm
The soundtrack misses a times... Sound of Silence for a funeral... come on... And where is that kid who is reading the comic at the newsstand?  Still, the hype-to-delivery ratio is much more appealing than that of The Dark Night.  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 10, 2009, 07:43:05 pm
I thought the soundtrack worked pretty well overall, especially the opening sequence with Bob Dylan. Also, I thought including Nena was AWESOME
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on March 11, 2009, 08:44:33 am
I think I gotta check that Watchmen stuff myself, never dared to do it before. ;)

Guess it's better to start with the comic?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: EyeCraft on March 11, 2009, 09:04:42 am
Well I haven't seen the movie, but I don't really feel any desire to. I read the comic quite a while ago and loved it, and feel completely satisfied with it. Having understood that the movie is essentially taking that and delivering select pieces of it, I've concluded it doesn't overly appeal to me.

Not to say that I wouldn't watch it if it was put in front of me, though. Maybe.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 11, 2009, 10:13:31 am
The movie was very bad, as expected. I am amazed by people that have read the comic and seen the movie and liked it. It seems to me anyone that did must have not understood the comic deeply.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on March 11, 2009, 12:25:23 pm
Helm, do you feel there was any way they could have made the Watchmen film so that you enjoyed it?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 11, 2009, 12:48:34 pm
Certainly. If they used the original as a conceptual springboard and were BRAVE with it, adapted it to today's political situation, dealt with furthering the speculation, not just mirroring it. Someone with vision that understood what the core elements of the work were and not just looked at its surface and adapted it for the screen. Kinda how Tarkofsky handled Roadside Picnick in STALKER.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 11, 2009, 01:19:01 pm
The world-destroying super weapon is a core idea of superhero stories so it needs to be dissected, but nowadays no one is afraid of them anymore and we have no such equivalent in the current geopolitical realm. I feel my sphincter clench at the thought of replacing it with a more hip crisis like "terrorism" or "global warming". Ugh. It's a bit of a lose/lose situation if you're adapting. I was haunted much more by his other point - that vigilantes and manufactured public heroes are basically fascists in their purest form, and I felt like that was the central theme that the film ran with as well.

Perhaps there are deeper themes that are lost on me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 11, 2009, 03:10:56 pm
There are. I think you should re-read Watchmen very patiently. I've read it a dozen times and I still unearth more.

Quote
but nowadays no one is afraid of them anymore

There is no world-destroying superweapon in Watchmen the comic. At all. In fact the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 11, 2009, 04:12:14 pm
I'm going to see watchmen next saturday and i haven't read the comic. I think I'll read it before the movie and the rest of the party reads the comic after and we'll see what comes of it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 11, 2009, 04:24:42 pm
There is no world-destroying superweapon in Watchmen the comic. At all. In fact the exact opposite.

No but the concept is pretty central to the story. You've got Nixon with his finger on a world-destroying button, the Russians with their finger on a world-destroying button, and another character that I won't spoil for non-readers with his finger on a button that will cause people to believe there is ANOTHER party who also has their finger on a world-destroying button that is far worse than all the other buttons combined.

Nobody's scared of people with their fingers on world-destroying buttons anymore, and that seems to be a pretty key part of the plot. S'all I'm sayin'.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 11, 2009, 04:36:32 pm
I disagree that nobody is scared of these fingers on these buttons and it strikes me as a strangely arrogant thing for you to assume of others. I for one am very much afraid of fingers on nuclear buttons and I think if a film about nuclear annihilation has troubles conveying that urgency it must be a very bad film. If I just consider what a nuclear bomb does for 10 second here I feel quite bad. It's really strange for me that you say an atom bomb does nothing for you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: EyeCraft on March 11, 2009, 04:40:34 pm
The world-destroying super weapon is a core idea of superhero stories so it needs to be dissected, but nowadays no one is afraid of them anymore and we have no such equivalent in the current geopolitical realm. I feel my sphincter clench at the thought of replacing it with a more hip crisis like "terrorism" or "global warming".
Hehehe. Well that's likely a typical Hollywood interpretation of the current geopolitical realm, but I think there's a wealth of things that would lend themselves to Watchmen marvelously. For instance, the economic strain of the world, fuelled by the decline in oil supply increases political tensions, leading to an escalation in military posturing and resource seizing, ultimately leading up the greatest escalation of all: all out nuclear armageddon.

I think it depends on the context in which you think about `people with their fingers on world-destroying buttons'. I would argue that it's impossible to think of such a thing as not frightening in every possible context, in some contexts, sure, but in the context I outlined above I think it's potentially very scary. The key is defining the reality of the threat. The `looming' if you will. I think that is something Watchmen is immensely successful at portraying.

Think I'll have to go read it again...  :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on March 12, 2009, 02:34:54 am
That's interesting Helm, thanks for the answer!
I am planning on buying the comic some time soon. I watched the movie, and enjoyed it for what it was, on entertainment value. I understand it feels horrible when some idea has been overlooked that you held deeply with a story and the general public are seeing, judging and understanding something based on a poor representation of its ideas, so i really wanna judge for myself.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 12, 2009, 07:37:39 am
I'd be really interested in your final opinion once you've spent time with the comic too.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 12, 2009, 11:22:07 am
Just out of curiosity helm, where does the Watchmen comic rank for you?
top 10?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 12, 2009, 11:39:22 am
I can't tell you exact rankings, it's too difficult, but it's up there in the top 5, fighting with the collected works of Andrea Pazienza, the adaptation of Moorcock's 'Stormbringer' by Craig P. Russell, Battle Angel Alita by Yukito Kishiro, Acme Novelty Library by Chris Ware... Samurai Executioner/Lone Wolf and Cub by Koike & Kojima... umph.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on March 12, 2009, 05:36:07 pm
I love me some Battle Angel, but I'm kinda disappointed in Last Order's direction. The original 9 volumes where great in their A-typical Shonen-ness, strong narrative and characterization, Nova, and of course, Jashugan. Last Order is much more typical Shonen FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT POWERUP WIN OHNO THIS GUY IS EVEN STRONGER FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT POWERUP WIN...It makes every thing and everyone much less consequential.

But what really bums me is the art direction. Kishiro's style has flattened out and thinned up, seemingly in the name of cleanliness and accuracy. It's still good, but it lost the aesthetic that originally drew me to it.

And I hear James Cameron has plans to butcher it into a series of films.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 12, 2009, 06:02:55 pm
I share some of your sentiments about Last Order. It really struck me when the volumes of LO became more numerous than what I always felt was 'the core series'. I thought 'wow, it's bigger now. And what has happened in it?' Well.. not much. A tournament of power-ups and some vampires. There's human stories everywhere of course because Kishiro is master, but this isn't his masterwork, I agree.

Yeah there's too much POWER UP!! and the art style changed... I actually dislike Alita as a character because of how Kishiro draws her now... constantly aloof or angsty, nor very, VERY cold... but at the same time I intend to read the thing to its end because I trust there is a point to it.

Let's not talk about James Cameron. I do not want.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 12, 2009, 06:22:08 pm
Yeah i went "oh there's more?!" And plenty more there was. The universe was expanded tenfold which is almost always awesome when you have a character in a cage and then let them out to something completely strange and new to them. The fights are quite long now, but still awesome. There's also some random thoughtful moments like the guy in the beginning of LO who went through mental regression first and quite literally after. Nova still hurts my brain with how he isn't really concerned about himself surviving as long as his waves of karma do.

About volumes 8 and 9 i feel they're not that necessary, at least yet. Haven't read volume 10. The way each character felt like a force moving and twisting the story instead of an obvious storyteller pulling strings was still present though.
Drawing style splits me a bit since I'm awed by how perfect everything is, though i liked how it was before too.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 13, 2009, 01:35:00 pm
Hold the crap up a second... when did James Cameron's name go on the geek black-list? :huh: Uncle Jimbo gave us frickin' Aliens, man!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: monteboyd on March 13, 2009, 01:46:01 pm
Hold the crap up a second... when did James Cameron's name go on the geek black-list?

Probably around about when that thing about that sinking ship came out.  :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 13, 2009, 02:04:50 pm
Aliens is a very mediocre film, not half the film Alien was... it arrived at a very unfortunate time even to be a solid 'space shooter' sort of thing because they didn't have the CGI strength to show the beasts run around and kill people. So it's a long, boring, blue and grey film based on the premise of seeing some space marines shoot at one direction and then cross-cutting to alien dummies exploding in green ooze... it's not very good.

I like the Terminator films by Cameron, some, but that's pretty much it. I am not aware of a geek black-list, I just said I'd rather not see him handle the GUNNM material because he has been known to say "comics are like little movies". And... they are not. Absolutely not. I do not trust a man that so greatly misinterprets a medium to convey a story from it on film.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on March 14, 2009, 10:00:39 am
I really liked Aliens as much as I liked Alien. It's been a while since I saw either though. Anything that came after the first 2 I didn't like.
Not only because they were terrible films (Well, Alien3 was kinda doable but nowhere near the first 2) but also because alien kind of loses it's punch after the first 2.
In the first you barelly ever see him, and when you see him it's usually just parts of him. This is what makes that thing so scary.
In the second film it became more of an action movie, since they knew alien had already done it's part as a horror creature. They still had the queen in Aliens though, which was something different.
In the third they go back to the 'one alien you rarely see' idea. Which doesn't work. We all know what it looks like.
Not even talking about 4, and AvP 1 and 2. Which are all terrible.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on March 14, 2009, 01:00:16 pm
Yeah, I couldn't agree more!

ALIEN was a horror movie, ALIENS an action movie, ALIEN 3 something of a psychological thriller and ALIEN 4 -- an unsuccessful spin-off of all three (but it has Winona Ryder, oh, come on!? :)).

The same thing with the TERMINATOR -- "THE" was more of a horror movie (I remember I was dying of fear when I first saw that scene he picks out his eye), the second one was a pure action flick.

Eventually, I came around to ALIEN 3 -- and it upped from an "average" to "not bad at all" in my books -- it's just a "bit" different.  It lacks that genuine horror veil of ALIEN and the fast-paced action footages and cliches of ALIENS, but it still works fine as a "psychological" kinda movie.  Or at least it worked a few years ago when I saw it the last time. :)

The bad thing is, it would retain its meaning with just whatever alien creature in it, not necessarily the Alien.

I place ALIENS in the same category as PREDATOR or RAMBO -- the movies of my childhood.  It's difficult to stay objective when you watch them.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2009, 03:09:43 pm
Just thought I'd announce this...
I'm currently getting an A+ in an almost A-P Spanish class!  My second trimester grades just got in so I'm all happy now.   :crazy:
Don't know if you guys care, but this would be the only place I feel comfortable in my own skin.  So yeah.

Now time to cram before Monday when Spanish class starts again.   :P
Later
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 14, 2009, 04:05:32 pm
Good going shrike. Keep studying and you'll thank yourself a million times later on. I still feel awful for totally ignoring swedish classes..... and now there's been a million chances to use swedish, but i can't.

But anyway. Just saw watchmen. Really enjoyed it. Probably the best superhero movie I've seen. Haven't read the comic yet even though i was supposed to. I found it too thick and heavy to go through in one night.
Action was great and bonus points for lots of balls, ass and breasts on screen.
But then i feel like it was a terrible shame that the movie was just like all the other recent new movies in how it steamrolled linearly through a single layered storyline, not calling for the viewer to participate or making them want to see the movie again to find new things. Similarly it was way too nice on the viewer. The scenes were never too light or too heavy. It didn't screw with the viewer in any way. There was no finesse in character heavy parts that would make you love or hate them. Some characters i would've loved to hate actually. Then some parts felt like they were remaking a scene but didn't emphasize things that needed it. Namely when nite owl was nude in the basement. It could've been a powerful scene but now it was just "ok". I'm no director but there has to be better ways to make impact and emphasis than slow-mo and blood splatter in your face.
Overall it did go way past your usual popcorn flick though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on March 14, 2009, 08:41:15 pm
Quote from: Shrike
I'm currently getting an A+ in an almost A-P Spanish class!  My second trimester grades just got in so I'm all happy now.

How the fuck did you do that? I had spanish many years, in the beginning I had perfect grades, but after a while I didn't understand shit. Spanish is a damn tricky language, at least the grammar.

Quote from: huZba
I still feel awful for totally ignoring swedish classes..... and now there's been a million chances to use swedish, but i can't.

Is Swedish that important in Finland? I thought it was only spoken in some parts of the west coast.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2009, 09:52:56 pm
Thanks, huZba and Emtch!   ::)
And Emtch, It's easier to learn when you're younger supposedly.  I have an awesome textbook as well.  Vistas.  The class goes very fast tho..  I only have four classes to learn one chapter!  It's engaging though.

*does Spanish hw*

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 15, 2009, 12:18:17 am
Is Swedish that important in Finland? I thought it was only spoken in some parts of the west coast.
Well not really, but it was obligatory in school, so learning would've had more benefits than idling. I have a swedish co-worker too.
Also 5 years of german classes, but i can barely put together a sentence. I understand it okay though thanks to 90% of free satellite tv channels being german 10 years ago :P
English, Swedish + one other language (you could pick from german, french or spanish i think) were obligatory then, don't know how it's now.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on March 15, 2009, 12:40:09 am
If I recall correctly. . .

"Jag tyckar om ol og kvinnor." :)

This is pretty much the biggest part of what I still remember after a Swedish language course I took some long time ago.

You must have the *thing* for acquiring new language knowledge.  I'm getting through my 11th year of learning English and still have problems with it.

Not to mention German and Spanish, but these I know at a less-than-elementary level. :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on March 15, 2009, 08:27:19 am
I haven't seen Watchmen the movie yet but I bought the book few days ago and now I'm half way through. Gotta say that despite the fact that it's at times pretty heavy reading and really confusing because it jumps back and forth in time and places, I've still managed to stay along and boy, what a comic it is! I can't wait to finish it!

FYI huZba & co, if you still don't have the Watchmen comic, buy the finnish version of the book. It's better quality print than the english version here in finland and the translation is exceptionally good. I usually buy stuff in english, because the language is much richer but in this case I think you'd really benefit from buying the finnish version.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on March 15, 2009, 12:39:04 pm
buy the finnish version of the book. It's better quality print than the english version here in finland and the translation is exceptionally good.

I bought the special edition hardcover from Amazon and was taken back by the quality of the print, so i'm not sure how much better the finnish version could be.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on March 15, 2009, 12:52:35 pm
Well at least where I bought the book (Akateeminen), the english version was softcover and the paper and print quality weren't nearly as good as the finnish version which was hardcover. Also since the story is so multi-layered and deep, I think it would be easier to really get into it if you read it with your native language, even if your english is fluent. It still makes a difference to read it with your native language. And since the translation is very, very good which isn't always the case, I can't but to recommend it to my fellow finnish people. Of course I don't mean that the finnish version is superior to every version that is out there but I must recommend the finnish version because comic hobbyists here in finland might overlook it without examing it just because it's translated and often translations are bad or medicore at best. But that isn't the case here (I've read now 4/5 of the book).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on March 15, 2009, 01:39:33 pm
Oh of course yes, i agree about reading in your native language. The print quality is probably more related to the hardcover though.  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on March 16, 2009, 05:23:32 pm
If I recall correctly. . .

"Jag tyckar om ol og kvinnor." :)

This is pretty much the biggest part of what I still remember after a Swedish language course I took some long time ago.

You must have the *thing* for acquiring new language knowledge.  I'm getting through my 11th year of learning English and still have problems with it.

Not to mention German and Spanish, but these I know at a less-than-elementary level. :)

Actually it's "Jag tycker om l och kvinnor"  :)

What do you mean when you say having the thing, do you mean being entusiastic or have a natural talent for it?

I think it depends mostly on having good teachers.
I really wanted to learn spanish in the beginning and I got perfect results on the tests. Then I had a worthless teacher who was really terrible at spanish, then it went downhill.
It seems most Spanish teachers in Sweden are like that, because when I chose Spanish in High School none of the other students knew any spanish either from 4 years of spanish lessons.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 16, 2009, 05:59:02 pm
I would say both, but having a good textbook is priceless. I have a great teacher who does voluntary work in Mexico, and my textbook is Vistas.  I also seem to have a natural talent for it.  My friend knows English, (natively) a lot of French and Latin, and hopes to learn more Spanish next semester.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on March 16, 2009, 07:19:30 pm
Quote from: Emtch
Actually it's "Jag tycker om l och kvinnor"  :)

You see, I don't even remember this one correctly.  Mycket braa!  Tack, tack! ;)

Quote from: Emtch
What do you mean when you say having the thing, do you mean being entusiastic or have a natural talent for it?

I mean having an inborn talent for it.  Besides, in the most part, the age has the biggest impact, viz. the younger you are when you start, the biggest the chance you will be able to develop a given language to a native speaker level.

Polish class, anyone? :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 17, 2009, 12:03:03 am
I think that is true as well, the current best in my Spanish class is a 10-or-so-year-old.  I'm second, 13, and from there it pretty goes by age.  Sort of.

I've been sick since Sunday...  :ouch: 
Just a question, I'm sort of curious...
Who else here is homeschooled?  It wouldn't surprise me if I was the only one, just wondering.
I love homeschool.

Later
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 17, 2009, 12:24:56 am
Where do you live Shrike? In America, I was under the impression that homeschool was mostly an excuse for parents to teach their kids some twisted religious crap, and dissuade them from a scientific understanding of things.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 17, 2009, 12:39:13 am
*sigh*
Yes, generally in America it's for religious reasons.  I do live in America, and there are certainly some crazy-ass moms who teach kids seriously messed-up things.  But public school proved a little too conformant to my parents when my brother tried it until, I wanna say 3rd grade?

Anyway, we went through a lot of things after public school and ended up with homeschooling.  No-one in my family is religious in any way, and being homeschooled allows one to learn in a way that is modified by the student's learning habits and also allows you to focus on what you think you're going to end up in.

If you remain unconvinced, my friend Chelsea won several Irish harp worldwide competitions for her age (18) and now is absent at Harvard.  I myself am pursuing Art and will be participating in a Model United Nations this year, and have been in a few art shows.

I like it, it's quite easy-going and usually proves for an unusually intelligent person.  It certainly is not for everyone though.  Lot's of people do it even though the teachers (parents) were never meant to teach children, or adults for that matter.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 17, 2009, 12:48:27 am
I'm sure it is a good alternative to public school for intelligent kids with intelligent parents. In fact I'm sure it is better for many kids, I just feel that it is abused by some parents. Glad you are not part of that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 17, 2009, 04:12:14 am
I was homeschooled and the stereotypes are definitely out there but most of us are pretty normal. I didn't grow up on a farm or get taught that scientists are evil or go through high school friendless. Heck it was fun, I'd finish at like noon and then draw or write until my friends got out of school. I was able to develop my art a lot more because of it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 17, 2009, 05:42:24 am
My cousins were homeschooled and were weird as hell, but that's partly because of them being jahova's witnesses.
Never really talked to them much, then one day they left the country because "they had had enough of us persecuting them"

Australia can keep em  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Darien on March 17, 2009, 07:32:17 am
I'd send my kids to school just for the social aspect, but if someone is going to homeschool their kids they better make efforts to make sure their kids get out there and interact.

most of the homeschooled kids I know are weird and clueless when it comes to social interaction
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 17, 2009, 08:10:39 am
A lot of parents are whackadoo, not just the wacky religious ones. There's a lot of people i wouldn't trust with parenting, let alone homeschooling. Getting exposed to many different people and different moral standings is healthy no matter how smart your parents are.
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Oh and in school you'll also get to be with people you don't like.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 17, 2009, 02:53:22 pm
I was homeschooled and the stereotypes are definitely out there but most of us are pretty normal. I didn't grow up on a farm or get taught that scientists are evil or go through high school friendless. Heck it was fun, I'd finish at like noon and then draw or write until my friends got out of school. I was able to develop my art a lot more because of it.

Exactly.
I hate it when people make the social arguement, it's not always a problem.  I have a lot of friends, around my age and not so much, and all of us are close, and not all of my friends are homeschooled.  In fact, I would almost say homeschooling done properly results in a more socially-able child, but it really depends on the parent.

Quote from: Darien
most of the homeschooled kids I know are weird and clueless when it comes to social interaction.
I don't think I'd say most, but some certainly are incapable.  And how are you sure being in school provides a better social expreience?  I get most of my learning from classes with a lot of kids.  I'm in a shakespeare class the I'm performing in, and there are 20something kids in the class.  I take a lot of intellectual classes as well, which make the best IMHO out of a class experience.

Quote from: huZba
Getting exposed to many different people and different moral standings is healthy no matter how smart your parents are.
Right.  For sure, I totally agree.  And I do get exposed a lot.  I got lucky, my parents aren't religious and chose to let me decide if I want to be or not.  I think religion is something that makes one sheltered.  One of my homeschooled friends is religious, and he is extremely sheltered, he barely knows what the internet is, and his parents are probably deciding what profession he's going into.  I get exposed lots;  especially this year, because of the MUN conference, which should be interesting.
Two days a week I go to a homeschool in a... school.  But all the kids there are homeschooled.  I take a Spanish class in one, a Dance class in the other, as well as a Music history class and the MUN class.  In these I meet a lot of different approaches and people, some religious, some not, and all of the classes allow kids of all ages to mingle and they do.

One thing that bugs me about public school is that you can't really mingle with people not exactly your age.  I think that's one of the most inportant forms of exposure.

But, as I've said, it depends.  I know amazing people can come out of both Homeschooling and Public schooling, and it depends heavily on the child and teacher.  (I don't know much about private schools, and I don't think they do much for one either, but please enlighten me if anyone can.  I really don't know.)

EDIT:
Quote from: huZba
Oh and in school you'll also get to be with people you don't like.
I meet PLENTY of people who I don't like, some more than others.  But either way I usually have to cooperate with them, which is an important lesson.
Later
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on March 17, 2009, 04:31:27 pm
I remember reading a while back taht a large proportion of home-schooled children go on College and University than their public school counterparts. I think I'll go look for that study again. It makes sense to me, cause I don't see the irresponsible or idiotic types being all that attracted to homeschooling. Too much work, much easier to ship the kids off to public school and let the baby sitters there take care of the kiddies.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 17, 2009, 04:54:09 pm
If i ever had kids I would totally homeschool them for elementary school stuff, tho in Germany homeschooling is illegal :o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 17, 2009, 05:22:34 pm
I remember reading a while back taht a large proportion of home-schooled children go on College and University than their public school counterparts. I think I'll go look for that study again. It makes sense to me, cause I don't see the irresponsible or idiotic types being all that attracted to homeschooling. Too much work, much easier to ship the kids off to public school and let the baby sitters there take care of the kiddies.

I would say at least 90% of the homeschoolers I knew growing up ended up going through college (and not private religious colleges either) and got at least their bachelor's degree. Actually college was kinda disappointing for me; after years of being self-disciplined in studying on my own I felt like my college studies were all super dumbed down to patronize all the slackers.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 17, 2009, 07:00:16 pm
Higher education exists to teach people that don't have the fervent drive to teach themselves, generally. I don't say this to condemn anyone, I am kinda also one of these people. But do keep in mind I have learned more from Pixelation than by going to a fancy ass private school to study comics cartoon and animation.

I do allow for the possibility of brilliant, deeply charismatic teachers that might convey more than one is able to learn on their own in some of these institutions, but these are few and far between.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on March 17, 2009, 07:37:36 pm
My brother's home schooled because he has autism. Brilliant, brilliant guy, nothing less than hundreds on his schoolwork now, but he has horrible social skills because of Asperger's Syndrome and sending him to a place like public school where he wouldn't be able to concentrate or satisfy his OCD would be plain dumb.

I think I would like home school, personally. But my mother and I have never gotten along well enough for that to be an option. Another thing is that if I were to be home schooled it would need to be a Catholic home school program. Even though I classify as agnostic I'm still put through the motions of a practicing Catholic, and school is just something I would like not to be touched by the religion.

I'm torn about art school. It's kind of up in the air for me. I'll decide when I get there. I'll probably take a year after I graduate High School and see where I end up. If I like where I wind up then I don't think I'll be heading to school. See, I've taught myself far more than public education has in pretty much all subjects, and I'm not particular to more school, art related or not. The only problem with it is that a degree in art is required, and I would really hate to not satisfy a criteria for a job I want simply because I did not go to school where much time and money would have been likely wasted.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 17, 2009, 08:11:17 pm
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Higher education exists to teach people that don't have the fervent drive to teach themselves, generally

I think this is untrue for many science majors, mostly because of the equipment involved in doing serious research. For instance, without becoming part of acadamia, there is no way you can use a scanning electron microscope, or do x-ray crystallography. It's just not possible without the training and the money.

Also, it is not only a teachers charisma and intelligence that makes the class worthwhile. It is also the breadth and depth of material they will hold you accountable for, usually beyond what the book says. All of my chemistry classes have not been a march, chapter by chapter, through the book. The teachers have explained the sometimes complex material in an understandable way, and supplemented that with lab experiments that teach us to use equipment, and allow us to arrive at empirical conclusions about what we are learning.

I've never been to art school, so maybe that is the case there I can't say, but don't dismiss all education.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 17, 2009, 08:45:19 pm
Yeh indeed. I think you are generalising a bit here, Helm. For anything science that involves machines of some kind you wont be able to get very far on your own. A friend of mine studied semi-conductor stuff and they have the crystals the semiconductors are made from and those things cost shitloads, so one would have to be quite fortunate to pursue in that field without going to a university.

With something like art it is less problematic depending on what you wanna do. If you wanna do more involved printing type things stuff can get quite expensive as well (presses and such).

Things which are soley brainbased such as literature, languages and such, of course if you dedicate enough time and such into it you can learn just as much and good as someone going to a university.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 17, 2009, 09:37:07 pm
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Higher education exists to teach people that don't have the fervent drive to teach themselves, generally

Yes. I am generalizing. I wasn't even thinking about majoring in anything. I am thinking and referring to basic college courses that produce hopeless half-trained people that can't do things that enthusiastic amateurs in the same field consider the easiest things.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 17, 2009, 10:15:13 pm
Yes, there I agree on all bases. I have met people who studied graphic design for a few semesters and know way way less about photoshop than me. Or people who studied coding and can't hold a candle to people who do it as a hobby.

I think the main reason for this is that if you do something for a hobby you do it because you love it, so you will soak up information about it much more uninhibited.
If you just study something to, well study something that might make a buck at some point, the motivation is a different, less close to the heart one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 18, 2009, 02:01:58 am
Absolutely true.

Trying to get a degree in art was just meh. There are things to be learned but you'll have to wait tortuously for the rest of the class to catch up with you before you can be taught anything new. Or worse, I've had professors who saw that I was driven and decided that meant I didn't need any help. And yes, there were people in my classes who needed help with things much more basic than what I was trying to do. But then, what was I paying for? Asspats, basically. And if you're willing to pay for that, there's cheaper places to get it. (In all fairness, I had a few professors who saw that I was there for a reason and decided to be extra hard on me, and I SAVORED it)

School makes sense if you're an engineer or the like - you want to have that certification that speaks for you. But an artist's certification is his or her portfolio. It talks way louder than a degree. I suppose if one's heart is dead-set on an art degree you should at least find a school where everyone else is way better than you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 18, 2009, 03:55:44 am
Just reread parts of this thread again.

I like the Terminator films by Cameron, some, but that's pretty much it.

Abyss maybe? I really like that film and would say it's by far the best thing Cameron wrote and/or directed.
Strange Days I quite liked when I saw it as well, which he wrote, tho not directed.
And True Lies is quite good fun as well (tho that is a remake of the french film La Totale which I yet have to see).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Darien on March 18, 2009, 04:02:32 am
Quote from: Darien
most of the homeschooled kids I know are weird and clueless when it comes to social interaction.
I don't think I'd say most, but some certainly are incapable.  And how are you sure being in school provides a better social expreience?  I get most of my learning from classes with a lot of kids.  I'm in a shakespeare class the I'm performing in, and there are 20something kids in the class.  I take a lot of intellectual classes as well, which make the best IMHO out of a class experience.

Like I said, if parents choose to homeschool they ought to make sure their kids are getting a good amount of social interaction, and it sounds like your and many other's parents do.  I said most homeschooled people I know, I don't claim that was an accurate representation but just something parents ought to look out for (I would also say you should be concerned about your kids social interaction at a public school).  I said I would send my kids to public school because for me it is important to be exposed to many people of different backgrounds, not just religious but social classes as well--though of course that also depends greatly on the school.


As for the school for arts question, I am getting a degree in Creative Writing and I'm not fully content with my decision.  It has certainly helped me in several ways, and has perhaps exposed me to certain things I wouldn't have found on my own, but ultimately it's not very necessary.  One thing going to school for the arts does do, though, is give you an excuse to do nothing but work on your art for four or so years.  Once you get a full time job, etc, then it's really a test whether you will have the energy to stick with it--after fours years it of focusing on it it seems like it will be easier than if I jumped into right after high school.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 18, 2009, 04:36:35 am
Darien:
I totally agree, I just have a bad habit of taking people's questions and using them as an excuse to ramble.  :lol:  Sorry.  I agree with everything you said.

I have two stepbrothers that were public schooled, and they are brilliant, smart and successful people.  But the argument of Homeschooling vs. Public schooling comes up a lot, especially about the social thing. 
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 18, 2009, 07:36:34 am
ALERT: MS Paint has a 10x zoom. Click the bottom border of the zoom selection box to access it. Your world has been blown!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TrevoriuS on March 18, 2009, 07:50:49 am
Alert: Pro Motion exists? :O
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on March 18, 2009, 11:58:26 am
Oh yeah, Abyss. In Greece it was translated as "Aliens in the Depths" haha. Well, it's not bad. Has not dated well. Read the Old Journals (http://jordanmechner.com/old-journals/) of Jordan Mechner for many reasons, he is bright, articulate, a very likable fellow and he made one of the best games ever. He mentions that Abyss was actually pitched to the studios like 'Aliens, only underwater' which made me laugh and laugh.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 18, 2009, 04:36:29 pm
Heh, that's quite funny. Tho I have to say I think it aged quite well. The effects with the water and all that work great and the design of stuff is nice as well.

Also indeed, IMDB lists Alita as slanted for 2011 D:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 18, 2009, 06:00:09 pm
I just bought a new Sega, Genesis.

I was like
 :o

..
 ;D
 :D
 :y: :lol:
 :crazy: (this one for several hours)
LOST VIKINGS is SO amazing!
Tell me someone else here has played it from back in the day.
We should examine some Genesis games for a mockup frenzy or something.  Sonic was awesome
Ecco had ok art too.

Anyway
Later
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 18, 2009, 07:23:06 pm
Lost Vikings is good stuff yeh. I finished it back in the days on the SNES.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: willfaulds on March 18, 2009, 07:44:29 pm
I don't know if it'll tickle anyone fancy but here's what I got up to over the weekend http://www.kongregate.com/games/PixelBeard/money-in-the-horses-mouth (http://www.kongregate.com/games/PixelBeard/money-in-the-horses-mouth)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on March 19, 2009, 01:56:16 am
I just bought a new Sega, Genesis.
You can still buy new ones?  :huh:

LOST VIKINGS is SO amazing!
Tell me someone else here has played it from back in the day.
We should examine some Genesis games for a mockup frenzy or something.
Lost Vikings did get a CC and accompanying challenge back in the day.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 19, 2009, 02:52:48 am
Well, ok. I got a nearly-never-touched version from Ebay.  Awesome condition.  Came with, like, 5 controllers.  30 bucks (USD).  We have all kinds of games already from my 20-year-old brothers tho.

Oh, must have been on the blue Pixelation?  I wish I had been apart of that.
I would have been a baby tho  :P

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 19, 2009, 10:06:17 am
Still have lost vikings for snes. The snes is in use now and then, especially when my younger sister comes to visit with her baby. It's so easy compared to all of the new consoles(baby proof too, so that makes it practically indistructible). Pop the game in, play, that's it. Me and my bro wanted to play some co-op resident evil 5 and it took a goddamn hour to get the game started with the install and updates.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The Mozack on March 19, 2009, 10:52:48 am
You guys are seriously lucky to have better exposure to the 16-bit library. From where I come from, only the SNES is prominent, and even my memory of it was rather dull. There used to be shops in the mid-1990s that rented out these machines to be played in their premises, and they used multiple floppy disks, as opposed to the typical cartridges, that took forever to load (which later led me to believe they were all bootlegged copies). Worst thing about it is that most of the kids who played there went for nothing but football video games. Hell, I even remember how the intro of that stinking SNES game sounded like: "INTERNATIONAL...SUPERSTAR SOCCER! *CHEER*" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Superstar_Soccer). Even as I type, kids here will still be playing the same rubbish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_Eleven), this time on the PS2 or PS3. Good god, I loath football so much.

At least I managed to watch some dude play Super Mario World from start to end. And lots of Top Gear 2.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on March 19, 2009, 11:31:07 am
Ahhh... memories... Sensible Soccer on amiga, Pro Evolution Soccer, Fifa, I love those games. We still play almost every time Fifa 08/09 with my friends when they come over. Not that I would be a soccer fanatic, not even close, but they're good games and fun to play in a group.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 19, 2009, 12:13:02 pm
Nintendo world cup is by far the best soccer game  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The Mozack on March 19, 2009, 12:15:54 pm
I can understand someone else's joy of playing football video games, but to watch the same thing as a spectator day in and day out makes one sick over time; maybe it's just me.

I do remember being offered to play a round of International Superstar Soccer with another player. I lost 0-11 and never played a single football game since.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on March 19, 2009, 12:31:21 pm
Bad loser, eh? :P I used to be very competetive when playing games but lately I've learned to enjoy from the playing itself, the results don't matter. Isn't it nice that the other player is so good that he beats the crap out of you? Good for him! It's not you loss, so to speak :) Why don't you ask the better player to teach you some tricks or take it as a challenge and try to better yourself in that game.

I don't think life is always so black and white but trying to think like that has helped me to lose a lot of that agression than comes from losing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The Mozack on March 19, 2009, 01:25:26 pm
Meh. He was some random person of my age who happens to be a bit generous. I wouldn't had dared to ask then.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zenobia on March 19, 2009, 04:43:41 pm
Hey, question: I am trying to contact a member but I get the message that his inbox is full. His profile states no e-mail adress or website, and googling his username didn't help much either. Any idea how I can contact this person?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on March 20, 2009, 12:15:15 am
Unless it's private all you can do (I think) is post a topic, or post his name here.  Or ask around and see if anyone knows his email/IM identity.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zenobia on March 21, 2009, 01:17:23 pm
Oh well, it's not my problem I suppose. I'll just wait until he figures it out himself.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on March 21, 2009, 06:09:45 pm
OOooooo, mysterious.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 23, 2009, 01:34:35 pm
I guess I'm a little late to the game but I just started watching Battlestar Galactica. I'm into the second season now and I'm completely addicted.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zenobia on March 23, 2009, 01:51:26 pm
*headdesk* this is driving me insane. I'm getting messages saying "why aren't you replying" but... how the hell do I make it clear that I can't! *tries to mentally wave and jump up and down*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 23, 2009, 03:19:23 pm
I increased the amount of possible pms per inbox for most usergroups (guessing the one you are trying to contact is no one who has over 1000 posts)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zenobia on March 24, 2009, 04:35:01 pm
I increased the amount of possible pms per inbox for most usergroups (guessing the one you are trying to contact is no one who has over 1000 posts)
No, the typical one post member of course.

Was able to send a message now. Thanks!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on March 26, 2009, 01:00:13 am
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=9087e814023eb2c18bcb

Poppycock.

[edit]

also

http://objectiveministries.org/zounds/gaming.html
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on March 26, 2009, 01:33:33 am
Anyone have good references of platformers that involve scaling the side of mountains?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 26, 2009, 01:58:22 am
First one I can think of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DntXqlidHCU
Man I hated that game.



In other news, Nintendo FINALLY fixed the storage problem on the Wii, they've unlocked the SD card and I just transferred all my Virtual Console games to it, Metal Slug alone took up a ton of the Wii's pathetic internal memory, now it's just a blip on my SD cards' radar.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on March 26, 2009, 02:56:10 am
Does Sexy Hiking count?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on March 26, 2009, 02:59:06 am
Sexy Hiking is undeniably genius.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Squiggly_P on March 26, 2009, 03:10:27 am
SNES: Cliffhanger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRRBe-GKEo
The bit you're interested in is about 5 minutes into the video, but then...  I actually laughed my ass off at this "angry videogame nerd" wannabe the whole 7.5 minutes.

I'm sure there are videos without some retard 'reviewing' it, tho :P

(note, if anyone here happens to be that retard, then I apologize for calling you a retard not really)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on March 26, 2009, 04:23:00 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJU4fiiE2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJU4fiiE2w)
This game metaphorically represents the corporate ladder in 1980's American, you know, minus the sleeping to get ahead and cocaine.

I actually have one of these cassette players for 2600.  A guy could theoretically program a game with the right Venetian Snares song and a tape recorder.  :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on March 26, 2009, 08:16:32 am
There's a JPG among us
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on March 26, 2009, 08:38:48 am
BUUUUUURN THE WIIITCH!!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on March 26, 2009, 04:40:44 pm
Anyone have good references of platformers that involve scaling the side of mountains?

A link to a  game here.
http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/38828.htm
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: baccaman21 on March 27, 2009, 04:57:59 pm
WAhooo! Burn zombie Burn went Live on PSN yesterday... Check it out... my first 'real' game released since I went travelling 3 years ago...


Unavailable in Germany atm I'm afraid (sorry Sven) due to silly rules about 18 cert games and digital distributed titles... (which we've only just found out)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on March 27, 2009, 05:47:31 pm
Congrats!
I'll be sure to pick it up!  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on March 31, 2009, 12:48:02 am
I was looking through the firefox bug report on the blur today and I think something screwy is going on. They're talking like it will only be an option for authors to control whether images have a filter applied and another bug report for user control will have to be filed. The title's been changed to "Switch for authors to turn on/off bilinear filtering when enlarging images"

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423756#c55

I just posted a small comment. It seems like things got out of control when some guy started asking for special case scenarios determined by the precise level of zoom used and other case-b-ycase scenarios that were way more complicated than what we had been asking for, namely an option in about:config.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on March 31, 2009, 06:43:45 am
It's a little depressing, but the essential problem isn't that the filtering is on by default, it's that you can't turn it off at all. According to the last thing said on that page, they intend to fix it so that users can state a preference... if i'm reading this right. So it's not really what we want, but it'll do the job. The fact is that most firefox users aren't pixel artists, and don't care, and this'll fix it so that the people who do care can get on. I don't mean to say that we should stop complaining, of course. But it's not a bad idea to let this bug go through the way it's going through.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on March 31, 2009, 09:45:17 pm
I think you're right, tocky. epic lack of CSS skills for the fail. I hope they can finish soon.

EDIT: Almost forgot. The Dishwasher comes out tomorrow
http://skasoftware.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/april-1st-is-dishwasher-day/

If I had an xbox I'd be picking this up tomorrow. I find James Silva a pretty inspiring developer. His games are crude in some respects due to his solo approach, but they almsot always hold a spark that I find appealing. Stuff like this makes me glad Microsoft joined the console battles.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on March 31, 2009, 10:10:28 pm
WAhooo! Burn zombie Burn went Live on PSN yesterday... Check it out... my first 'real' game released since I went travelling 3 years ago...


Unavailable in Germany atm I'm afraid (sorry Sven) due to silly rules about 18 cert games and digital distributed titles... (which we've only just found out)

Congrats :) I don't have a PS3 anyway, so no big deal. For germany just make the blood green or something.

Something else:

I will be gone for one month as of tomorrow (coming back on the 2nd of May). Going on a backpacking trip to the Philippines with a friend \o/
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: baccaman21 on April 01, 2009, 01:01:46 pm
WAhooo! Burn zombie Burn went Live on PSN yesterday... Check it out... my first 'real' game released since I went travelling 3 years ago...


Unavailable in Germany atm I'm afraid (sorry Sven) due to silly rules about 18 cert games and digital distributed titles... (which we've only just found out)

Congrats :) I don't have a PS3 anyway, so no big deal. For germany just make the blood green or something.

Something else:

I will be gone for one month as of tomorrow (coming back on the 2nd of May). Going on a backpacking trip to the Philippines with a friend \o/


we did the green blood trick... ;)  it seems that german law or lore has it that digital distributed games (i.e. downloaded) cannot be 18+ cert - (that's what I wanted translated the other day btw) - so we have no choice...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on April 04, 2009, 02:22:35 am
So, I am now flat broke and unemployed. :ouch:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on April 04, 2009, 02:58:56 am
Agh, shucks...  From what?  Could you pick up some spare pixeling jobs?

(Are you in... college?)
Sorry man, that sucks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on April 05, 2009, 07:37:16 am
http://forum.deviantart.com/devart/general/1173064/ (http://forum.deviantart.com/devart/general/1173064/)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: HMC on April 05, 2009, 03:06:41 pm
^Haha, I remember reading that about a year ago. It's amazing how well that all fits together.

Speaking of DeviantArt, however, someone stole one of Ptoing's pieces today and received a Daily Deviataion for it: http://moosehat.deviantart.com/art/Sweaty-Dudes-118169158  :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 05, 2009, 03:43:16 pm
Speaking of DeviantArt, however, someone stole one of Ptoing's pieces today and received a Daily Deviataion for it: http://moosehat.deviantart.com/art/Sweaty-Dudes-118169158  :(

Joined today and got a DD immediately for a stolen piece? Someone's got some explaining to do, and not just the thief.  :n:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: willfaulds on April 05, 2009, 03:46:47 pm
^Haha, I remember reading that about a year ago. It's amazing how well that all fits together.

Speaking of DeviantArt, however, someone stole one of Ptoing's pieces today and received a Daily Deviataion for it: http://moosehat.deviantart.com/art/Sweaty-Dudes-118169158  :(

 >:( reported

thanks for the info - its good to try and keep these things from happening
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 06, 2009, 04:50:41 am
What's the term used for when a boss's limbs consist of a bunch of sprites chained together?

edit-
Holy crap, new Giana Sisters game and it's for the DS... and I'm enjoying it  ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 06, 2009, 04:43:38 pm
edit-
Holy crap, new Giana Sisters game and it's for the DS... and I'm enjoying it  ;D

Lol, sweet! Is it worth buying? The material on the official site (http://www.giana-sisters.com/giana_sisters_en.html) seems promising. The character art is up to date and better. Even nostalgia won't make the original character art look good. Yeah, an 80's babe with pointy boobs but what did that have to do with the game sprites? Absolutely nothing. Good thing the music sounds accurate. Huelsbeck's site (http://www.huelsbeck.com/) doesn't mention anything about him doing the remixes, but they sound good anyway. This totally made my day. ;)

I had the Amiga version but I never finished it, it got so bloody hard after level 27 or so. Apparently the C64 version was easier.

Edit

BTW, Giana Sisters on Nintendo DS! That's quite ironic, if you think about it. ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 07, 2009, 12:38:53 am
The only areas I think it's lacking is in the length of the levels, they're pretty short.

Graphics are also a bit amateurish, although they kinda work.. it's weird.. regardless, they're nicely animated.
I think as long as the 2D platformer is one of your favourite genres, and you're already familiar with the Giana Sisters- it's worth a purchase.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on April 07, 2009, 08:49:35 am
It seems like the levels get longer. I've just started the second world though I did a level in the clouds which was a good amount longer than most of the others. When I first saw the graphics I thought they were blech but once you see them in action they are a lot nicer and I actually quite enjoy them. The animation is fantastic. I feel like I'm playing a very well done DOS game. The only problem I see is it getting monotonous, we'll see. And I agree with .Takam in terms of purchasing. The only question is where? I can't find a place to buy it anywhere!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: fil_razorback on April 08, 2009, 10:07:44 pm
'just dropping a line to say that Miyazaki-san's Ponyo on the cliff by the sea was released today in France and it's great ! Not on par with masterpieces like The Castle in The Sky or Mononoke Hime but still very worth being seen.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on April 09, 2009, 06:47:23 am
Damn you Hollywood (http://kotaku.com/5202716/shadow-of-the-colossus-getting-big-screen-adaptation-all-hope-lost) :'(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on April 09, 2009, 07:41:26 am
There is no way they can cram that game into a movie and do it any kind of respectable justice. It's going to be an excuse to throw graphics around and judging from how The legend of Chun-Li looks, It won't resemble Shadow of the Colossus in the slightest.

I'm tired of hollywood taking great source material and slapping the same old predictable plot onto them, only leaving enough hints of the original to put into the trailer and catch the naive. They've ruined to many of my child hood favorites by now for me to give anything a chance.

Also they are apparently remaking Neverending Story.  >:(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on April 09, 2009, 08:41:11 am
SOTC plays with many strengths unique to videogames. It would need someone who understands it's foundation and has the ability to re-imagine it to work on the big screen.
Now it's given to people who look at the medium as something less significant. It will suck and i hope the game studio at least got some money out of it to work on their next game.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on April 09, 2009, 05:31:26 pm
:(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on April 09, 2009, 07:15:48 pm
D:

well it might be good
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: fil_razorback on April 09, 2009, 10:42:01 pm
I dont even believe in that "might be" =(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on April 10, 2009, 04:31:02 pm
Haha you know how you need to have different visual priorities for action space and passive space?

Please tell Naruto's author, Kishimoto that, someone.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/443/02/

What the vuck srsly.

wtv.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 10, 2009, 04:58:32 pm
I'm pretty sure Naruto doesn't see the success it does as a series because the artist making it very adept in the finer points of the artform.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 10, 2009, 05:17:42 pm
I'm pretty sure Naruto doesn't see the success it does as a series because the artist making it very adept in the finer points of the artform.

It's not the story either (the main plotline) that makes Naruto popular. It's the characters. Never mind the art, screw the plot, Naruto is all about character development. There's one or two for each reader to choose as their favourites. (Mine's Temari.)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on April 10, 2009, 06:05:36 pm
Except there has been none of that the last 100 chapters either, I feel, haha

I read it out of curiosity these days, I already have the storyline thus far in the back of my head and now I wanna know where it's going. It's just that, haha.

Also helm, yeah, but it's kinda sad to see that the author seems to have lost his passion completely. Naruto wasn't this buttfugly when it started out ):
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 10, 2009, 06:32:11 pm
it's kinda sad to see that the author seems to have lost his passion completely. Naruto wasn't this buttfugly when it started out ):

Kishimoto could finish the story and have some time off. He should have enough money by now and I agree he lost his passion years ago. I remember this spread (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/44/19-20/) from the early chapters that was pretty impressive, the scan doesn't do it justice.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on April 10, 2009, 06:44:24 pm
I've heard they started using some kind of custom poser models for the layouts. And it shows. So artificial now. Old naruto looked much more ghetto and I liked it much more. Heh.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 10, 2009, 06:47:19 pm
I've heard they started using some kind of custom poser models for the layouts. And it shows.

Hahaha, that's funny because I was just thinking how stiff and un-dynamic his landing is in that page.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Squiggly_P on April 10, 2009, 08:17:48 pm
the difference in those two pages is pretty huge.  I don't think that guy looks like he's comfortable doing backgrounds, tho.

On a somewhat related note:  I just happened to google Blade of the Immortal to see if there were some example images I could show (Samura's art is insanely good) and I found out that it got turned into an anime last year o_0. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgqiKenFrPc
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on April 10, 2009, 09:22:56 pm
I watched the first episode a while ago. It was pretty god-awful. Likeeven worse that your average Gonzo anime.

They have the Devil-Man manga on that oneanime.com site, which I've always wanted to read. There's something deeply gratifying about seeing cutely draw 70's anime characters ripping each other's tits off and drinking their blood. I need to find some more of Go Nagai's work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on April 11, 2009, 01:11:38 pm
Happy easter everyone! : D

(that is all)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 11, 2009, 04:46:46 pm
I'm trying to learn how to use Game Maker and all I can say is ARGHALEGASEH SDF@#$^@#$()*&@#$  :yell:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TomF on April 11, 2009, 07:39:34 pm
Fed up with MMF? I certainly am anyway.  :'( I wonder if Construct would be a better option.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 11, 2009, 09:00:33 pm
Yeah... Game Maker is a lot more flexible and a lot less wonky than MMF is. I think the way it organizes data is superior to MMF as well. Although I'm also finding that it's not as idiot-proof as MMF is.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on April 12, 2009, 01:07:26 am
Happy Easter Eggs, Jad! ;)

Hey, I am wondering. . . were there any cowboy-shooting games back in the past?  You know, some old arcade lawmen/outlaws duels. . . with pixel-art-based graphics and, say, a static third-person view.  Perhaps I should be ashamed now, but except a few Flash-based pieces I just don't know any.  Seems classic.

Anyway, I'm thinking of starting my own project set in this vibe on the side. :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 12, 2009, 02:05:05 am
Wild Guns:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/snes/wild-guns/screenshots/gameShotId,27924/

Fricken' awesome and not bad pixel art either!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JonathanOfDrain on April 12, 2009, 04:43:04 am
Yeah... Game Maker is a lot more flexible and a lot less wonky than MMF is. I think the way it organizes data is superior to MMF as well. Although I'm also finding that it's not as idiot-proof as MMF is.

Comes with the territory I think.
 I teach Game Maker to kids at a computer camp during the summer and I can understand where you frustration comes from. On the plus side you understand the creation of graphics and probably understand the process of game design is more than "mario shoots tanks at the smiley faces".

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on April 12, 2009, 06:43:56 am
I always used to love playing Sunset Riders on the SNES, also Tinstar (SNES) but thats not really 3rd person, its more like a mix of side scrolling and 3rd person. Also he's a cowboy robot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on April 12, 2009, 06:12:45 pm
There is also Lone Ranger on the NES. I think it has some great spriting and graphics for its time. It's a mix of third-person, first-person, and platforming.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 12, 2009, 07:05:24 pm
There were at least these games on Amiga that were 3rd person Western shooters:

(arrows on top of the screen to scroll through the slideshow)

West Phaser (http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/popup_screen_index.php?id=2593&screenname=west_phaser_01.png) I kinda like the graphics on this. I guess the game wasn't that good.

Buffalo Bill Wild West Show (http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/popup_screen_index.php?id=1704&screenname=buffalo_bills_wild_west_show_01.png) Ok graphics but no violence really..

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on April 12, 2009, 07:21:56 pm
Thanks a lot guys!

Yeah, that's exactly what I've been searching for!  I'm going to look closely at each one, and I think I'm giving up the idea of starting a new one -- since, as it seems, there are plenty of them around just in the style I'd like to go with.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 13, 2009, 11:01:10 am
All these are Cabal clones, I hope you realize.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 13, 2009, 01:16:58 pm
Finished Giana Sisters on the DS, nice little game
They gave Hlsbeck a special thanks in the credits, I also noticed that 8-3, the hell themed level gives you 666 seconds on the timer >:D


Also, this bootleg toy is fucking awesome and I am buying one:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2enq3df.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on April 13, 2009, 09:50:06 pm
I'm trying to learn how to use Game Maker and all I can say is ARGHALEGASEH SDF@#$^@#$()*&@#$  :yell:

XD
It was frustrating at first for me as well..  I can give you some pointers, I learned a lot from the head programmer of Anaglyph Gaming.  If you'd rather laern from tutorials go to http://64digits.com/
They have tutorials, engines, and other resources.  A godsend for me as a wannabe 9-year-old programmer...   :lol:

Happy Easter everybody!
Am I the only one who's not Christian but celebrates their holidays anyways?
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on April 13, 2009, 10:21:08 pm
Hey, I am wondering. . . were there any cowboy-shooting games back in the past?  You know, some old arcade lawmen/outlaws duels. . . with pixel-art-based graphics and, say, a static third-person view.  Perhaps I should be ashamed now, but except a few Flash-based pieces I just don't know any.  Seems classic.

One of my absolute coin-op favs from yesteryear is Blood Bros, sequel to the aforementioned Cabal. I think it's pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Wild Guns was also sort-of an homage to this game.

http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7163

TAD Corp. made a handful of awesome, quirky arcade games (including Toki, a platformer about a spitting ape) before they switched gears and started making beauty products or some weird shit like that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on April 13, 2009, 10:39:33 pm
Quote
Am I the only one who's not Christian but celebrates their holidays anyways?

By celebrate what do you mean? If you mean getting candy for Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween, and presents for Christmas, then no, that's just buying into a marketing campaign... If you mean going to a celebratory mass for each holiday, then unlikely but you've got a better chance.  ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 13, 2009, 10:53:46 pm
Cabal taught me that if anyone's shooting at me, I should just do a roll. Roll with the bullets. Roll with them. It always works.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on April 13, 2009, 11:50:27 pm
I used to use gamemaker, but I realised over a year back that everytime I wanted to do something(palette swapping, proper collision, dynamic map loading) that I kept having ot throw away the code it provided for often basic things and replace it with my own in an unintuitive way. So, I made the switch to XNA and haven't looked back. I'm currently working on completing a general2d engine, initially in sideview, but once I get most of the features built in, I'm going to extend it towards a typical jrpg top-down view. I'm pretty decent with programming and was already familiar with C++ syntax, so it was a beneficial and relatively painless switch. There's a pretty awesome support community and tons of blogs with lots of helpful articles. The tools provided, like Visual C#'s code editor, are incredible.

Just putting this out there for any gamemakers growing tired with the program. I was initially attracted to GM because of the ease, speed and what I thought looked like flexibilty. I wanted to make some games, but didn't want to spend 5 years on the programming.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on April 14, 2009, 12:35:22 am
Hehe, thanks again!

Hmm. . . Blood Bros feels a bit familiar -- might have seen some kid playing it on a machine some time ago, though I'm pretty sure I haven't ever seen/played Cabal!  Shame!!

I assume I'll burn in hell now? :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 14, 2009, 05:39:17 pm
Cabal taught me that if anyone's shooting at me, I should just do a roll. Roll with the bullets. Roll with them. It always works.

Same lesson as in Lethal Weapon 1 then?

Well, Cabal is in turn Operation Wolf with a 3rd person view added, Op Wolf is a hard cored version of Duck Hunt, Duck Hunt is.. how far can this be tracked?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 14, 2009, 05:52:50 pm
You can trace any game's roots back to Duck Hunt. Even Pong.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 14, 2009, 06:19:18 pm
You can trace any game's roots back to Duck Hunt. Even Pong.

No way! Even Spacewar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar!)?!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on April 14, 2009, 07:18:58 pm
Well, Cabal is in turn Operation Wolf with a 3rd person view added, Op Wolf is a hard cored version of Duck Hunt, Duck Hunt is.. how far can this be tracked?

I hate to be a smartass I love it but Cabal was most likely inspired by the rather obscure DECO coin-op "Shoot Out" from -85. The only credit Operation Wolf could get would be inspiration for the military-theme, but then again the whole commando soldier thing was all the rage back in the 80's, so you could blame Stallone and Schwarzenegger for that as well.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on April 15, 2009, 05:16:51 am
Well, Cabal is in turn Operation Wolf with a 3rd person view added, Op Wolf is a hard cored version of Duck Hunt, Duck Hunt is.. how far can this be tracked?
Magnavox Odyssey had a shooting gallery game with a light-rifle.
Also there were duck hunting light gun games way back in 1930s
Seeburg Ray-O-Lite (http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/03/lightgun-game-from-1.html)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 15, 2009, 05:28:23 am
We got two Burmese kittens yesterday.
My dog is crazy jealous, she's been crying and whining all day.
She keeps hiding her toys and stealing theirs, and she's tried to jump on my lap like them a couple times which she is way too big for now.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 15, 2009, 10:19:00 am
junkboy I'd say Comical Machine Gun Joe for the Sega Master System / Mark III would be the closest older relative to Cabal proper.

(http://www.smspower.org/misc/comical_machine_gun_joe.gif)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on April 15, 2009, 01:49:26 pm
You can trace any game's roots back to Duck Hunt. Even Pong.

No way! Even Spacewar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar!)?!

It involves shooting airborne objects... a concept clearly lifted straight from Duck Hunt! The fact that this fellow managed to beat Duck Hunt to the store shelves is a mere technicality.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 16, 2009, 02:09:10 pm
how come Monsoon2D (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?action=profile;u=51) is sitting on -3 karma?

I can't remember if he is/was a mod or not and since he's been kinda absent the penalty is a kick in the karma?



Also I saw Watchmen last night, I liked it just fine, sex scene was the only thing I thought the movie could have done without, just seemed weird and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on April 16, 2009, 02:24:10 pm
how come Monsoon2D (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?action=profile;u=51) is sitting on -3 karma?

Now I'm a mod and I haven't got the least idea and the administration forum says nothing about this. What is up here?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 17, 2009, 12:44:02 am
Seriously first time I see this. Seems like a glitch in the system. We need a panda or an atomic adam!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JonathanOfDrain on April 17, 2009, 07:27:32 am
Has anyone else seen the latest "masterpiece" in the X-men movie franchise? It was rubbish.

SPOILER!
Wade Wilson was great until he was Dead Pool. Dead Pool was one of my favorite Marvel characters of all time. They ruined him! He took powers from a bunch of mutants and then put then pooled (it was their pun, not mine) them into Wade Wilson. Also Saber Tooth is Wolverine's brother? The film ruined the whole Weapon X story. So many things upset me about that movie.
/SPOILER!



I also have low expectations for SOTC the movie.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on April 18, 2009, 02:42:10 pm
I used to use gamemaker, but I realised over a year back that everytime I wanted to do something(palette swapping, proper collision, dynamic map loading) that I kept having ot throw away the code it provided for often basic things and replace it with my own in an unintuitive way. So, I made the switch to XNA and haven't looked back. I'm currently working on completing a general2d engine, initially in sideview, but once I get most of the features built in, I'm going to extend it towards a typical jrpg top-down view. I'm pretty decent with programming and was already familiar with C++ syntax, so it was a beneficial and relatively painless switch. There's a pretty awesome support community and tons of blogs with lots of helpful articles. The tools provided, like Visual C#'s code editor, are incredible.

Just putting this out there for any gamemakers growing tired with the program. I was initially attracted to GM because of the ease, speed and what I thought looked like flexibilty. I wanted to make some games, but didn't want to spend 5 years on the programming.

I know nothing of code, though I should...   In order to survive I need to know at least SOME kind of applicable code.

Anyway.
I'm downloading XNA right now, it looks promising.  Neat that you can produce for the Xbox Live!  :D
Looks like I'll need to start my code education tho...

Later
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on April 18, 2009, 06:10:13 pm
Has anyone else seen the latest "masterpiece" in the X-men movie franchise? It was rubbish.

SPOILER!
Wade Wilson was great until he was Dead Pool. Dead Pool was one of my favorite Marvel characters of all time. They ruined him! He took powers from a bunch of mutants and then put then pooled (it was their pun, not mine) them into Wade Wilson. Also Saber Tooth is Wolverine's brother? The film ruined the whole Weapon X story. So many things upset me about that movie.
/SPOILER!



I also have low expectations for SOTC the movie.

It sucked ginormous rhinocerus genitalia. I thought it would be about the stuff from the Origin series, but it's just a bunch of generic superpower-action-movie-shit.

Not many of todays action movies are worth watching, especially not the super-budget hollywood "masterpieces".
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on April 18, 2009, 06:29:04 pm
how come Monsoon2D (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?action=profile;u=51) is sitting on -3 karma?

Now I'm a mod and I haven't got the least idea and the administration forum says nothing about this. What is up here?

Fixed now.
They were the Secret Santa strikes.
I gave those that didn't make a gift, 3 chances (Being, 3 extra weeks. Checked upon every week and if they didn't send in anything, they would get a strike).

The ban expired a month ago, but forgot to remove the strikes :B
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on April 21, 2009, 09:52:07 pm
Got myself a new avatar! :O

http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/42069.htm
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 21, 2009, 10:21:18 pm
(http://www.locustleaves.com/Uav.gif)

check where the head connects to the neck, this seems to be an enduring problem in some of your work that you don't highly investigate before you draw. You have to internalize the lessons you learn from reference and anatomy practise so they carry on to your more free-form work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on April 22, 2009, 12:45:36 am
Hi there, Helm!

That's right, looks kinda like a reoccuring mistake -- I'm committing it on and on, and it seems I can't easily get rid of that nasty habit.  Thanks for pointing it out again, now I've promised myself to take on some more detailed studies on necks -- and this is prolly what's going to fill up the margin spaces in my notebooks now. :)

The image doesn't show up, though; could you re-check the links?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 22, 2009, 12:58:22 pm
huh! I totally misplaced that file and then deleted it! Well i just nudged the head 5 pixels to the right and 3-4 downwards.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JonathanOfDrain on April 24, 2009, 05:05:07 am
 We all feel like this sometimes. (http://www.tofulator.com/2009/04/02/captioned-youtube-charles-mansons-epic-question/)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on April 26, 2009, 01:16:42 pm
junkboy I'd say Comical Machine Gun Joe for the Sega Master System / Mark III would be the closest older relative to Cabal proper.

(http://www.smspower.org/misc/comical_machine_gun_joe.gif)

Nah, Shoot Out predates it by a year or so, but you totally get points for mentioning a game I've never heard about! Rom sites, here I come..
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on April 26, 2009, 02:00:44 pm
I'm not trying to impress you. I think the gameplay (once you see it in action) of CMGJ has more in common with Cabal than Shoot Out, but that might just be me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on April 27, 2009, 05:27:31 pm
   Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a lack of pixel art activity from our normal staple of known active users? I remember I used to pixel all the time, when I was bored, working, or eating. Now, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it feels like just don't have the urge to pixel any longer. I'm sure it's just a normal artist's block, or something, but I've noticed a lot of the other users here who normally post their pixel art, are also missing more and more. Not to say that the current people who submit art in the forums now aren't good, they are, it's just that I'm wondering if maybe age is getting to some of us, and we're moving on. Kinda' sad really.
   Kinda' makes you think, how old do you think some of us may be, and still keep in touch like this on the web? I'm one of those people who actually fall in love with communities like this, and the thought of "watching them go, as they leave one by one" is a bit depressing. But I guess people sometimes find something new, are too busy, or move on. That, or become lazy, like myself.  :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Arachne on April 27, 2009, 06:34:35 pm
For me, it's simply the combination of being busy (vacation, work, moving, etc.) and a broken monitor and tablet pen. I'm still pixeling on a daily basis, it just looks like crap (at the moment, anyway! ;D).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ryumaru on April 27, 2009, 07:49:38 pm
B.O.B.,
I miss you too.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 28, 2009, 04:36:01 am
Yeah, I haven't pixelled anything that wasn't for my game in over a year probably.
I do feel like a hack for not being more involved with something I love so much, but I'll get back into it eventually.


And no offense to any of our new members but I just feel a bit burnt out on people registering for help with one piece and never coming back.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Stezy on April 28, 2009, 09:21:44 am
I found this place again! I'm definatly going to try and stay active. Such a cool place here.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 28, 2009, 10:33:10 am
I've not had much time to pixel (or do any art) on my free time, but some new challenge would be nice. Something quick and simple that can be expanded depending on your motivation. Full game mockups are a bit too much for me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Batzy on April 28, 2009, 11:51:02 am
I've not had much time to pixel (or do any art) on my free time, but some new challenge would be nice. Something quick and simple that can be expanded depending on your motivation. Full game mockups are a bit too much for me.
Have you checked PJ new challenge  ??? it's pretty cool  :) even i might have enough time to make my something for it.

By the way has anyone seen/played this "MyBrute" game ? The art is looking pretty nice and simple  :)
(Challenge me http://batlorder.mybrute.com (http://batlorder.mybrute.com)  >:D)

Also has any "coder" tried Brutus 2d ? what i've seen and tried i'd say it's one of the best free languages you can get  ;D
http://pewtersoftware.com/wordpress/ (http://pewtersoftware.com/wordpress/) you must try it out  :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on April 28, 2009, 04:13:04 pm

And no offense to any of our new members but I just feel a bit burnt out on people registering for help with one piece and never coming back.

I'm not sure whether I still belong in the newbie group or not, but I feel I've earned a title as one of the few newbs who came, then stayed and improved.  Though I don't post art much, I'm getting back into it.

I wasn't around when the greats still posted work; they were/are just these looming presences that hang around until you do something really stupid and post amazing edits and paragraph-long critique.  I love it here, I doubt I'll ever not find time to hang here.  Also, Summer Solstice, when it hits, might be a burst of activity; It will be for my anyways, as I need to earn some money doing graphic design jobs.   ::)


Is it strange that I excel at edits but fail moreso when I try to create an original piece?
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on April 28, 2009, 04:32:42 pm
Is it strange that I excel at edits but fail moreso when I try to create an original piece?

no not at all.  I always find it easier to see improvements in others work than in my own.  I guess that when you are making your own art you are sub-consciously trying not to see the faults, and hence why critique is almost always needed.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on April 28, 2009, 05:51:43 pm
True, it is probably to an extent a matter of self-critique.  But I am ( I think ) quite fine with the techniques; coming up with new ideas may be my problem.  Also, I lack the time to spend it doing something that would be awesome but will only be achieved via Summer Vacation.

Batlorder:
My Brute is awesomely fun.
http://shrike-laniidae.mybrute.com
Don't challenge me tho...  I'm only a level 2.  xD
Anyone wanna be my pupil?

Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on April 29, 2009, 04:52:31 pm
I'm getting emails from a scammer, I'm gonna play along and progressively get more and more bizarre and perverse.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 29, 2009, 07:47:12 pm
I'm getting emails from a scammer, I'm gonna play along and progressively get more and more bizarre and perverse.

Is it from Dr. Ibrahim Martin from Nigeria again? Has he still not gotten his money through? ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: AdamAtomic on April 29, 2009, 09:12:47 pm
It's pixel's birthday today!

http://tinyurl.com/happybirthdaypixel

Wish him happy birthdays
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on April 30, 2009, 01:03:06 pm
It's pixel's birthday today!

http://tinyurl.com/happybirthdaypixel

Wish him happy birthdays
I thougth you were talking about your dog  :P
It's named Pixel rigth?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: AdamAtomic on April 30, 2009, 05:08:49 pm
lol no that's Gary's pug!  i dunno when his birthday is
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on April 30, 2009, 05:10:34 pm
Yes I remember now!

Silly me  :-[
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on April 30, 2009, 09:53:06 pm
Have you checked PJ new challenge  ??? it's pretty cool  :) even i might have enough time to make my something for it.

I don't want to go to PJ, the light blue and bright green hurts my eyes.  :ouch: Also, since comments like "lol I like it keep up the good work" are allowed, I'm having my share of that already on dA so no thanks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on April 30, 2009, 10:40:29 pm
I don't want to go to PJ, the light blue and bright green hurts my eyes.  :ouch: Also, since comments like "lol I like it keep up the good work" are allowed, I'm having my share of that already on dA so no thanks.
You know that you can change the themes?
Go to your profile and press ''edit theme'' there are alot of more ''eye friendly'' themes!
And in PJ's defense it is primary a gallery site were you show of your art.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on May 01, 2009, 08:09:36 am
http://www.farbs.org/Message.html

I want to make sweet love to Farbs!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on May 02, 2009, 12:54:40 am
I was browsing through this guy's website and foudn this attack animation sufficiently disturbing.  I think all it needs to complete it is an option to have an all female team of adventurers
http://www.windship.pe.kr/dot_gallery/


(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5070/nepeatk.gif)


Other than that, his stuff is quite good.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Squiggly_P on May 02, 2009, 04:41:38 pm
Found this article interesting:
http://www.digitallounge.gatech.edu/gaming/index.html?id=2824

Some students are apparently altering Stella, the 2600 emulator, to apply filters to make it feel like you're playing on a crappy old TV, the way you could originally play them.
I find it pretty awesome, and hope more emulators start working on options like this, especially emulators for older systems.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on May 06, 2009, 03:13:56 pm
I would really enjoy it if they made these filters they developed available for anyone to use to dsiplay their pixelart
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skw on May 06, 2009, 10:24:31 pm
huh! I totally misplaced that file and then deleted it! Well i just nudged the head 5 pixels to the right and 3-4 downwards.

Ugh.  Belated "thanks", I was on my way to London and totally forgot about this one.  The neck studies are being done on the side so prolly in the nearest future I'll show off their outcome. ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 07, 2009, 12:47:09 pm
Well, Scrubs has officially ended. (although there is a small chance there may be a crappy spinoff or something)
That was a great finale, around the fifth season it definitely started going downhill, but this last season has been so great that it's kinda sad because I would have enjoyed at least a few more episodes at this level.


So if you ever liked scrubs and gave up during season 5-7, you might want to check out this last season.
They even reveal the Janitors name :o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on May 07, 2009, 10:31:39 pm
Eh...  Nearly broke my foot in Gymnastics last week.  Dislocated my toe, but it popped back in while I was sitting in Gym moaning, apparently.  Now I walk around like I'm drunk and have a quite disagreeable limp.   !yus!

But I had an idea.  It's an amazing/stupid idea.  *posts in OT-Creativity*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 09, 2009, 09:54:10 am
Man I saw the new Star Trek yesterday. It was awesome. A bit thin on story, but an action packed thirll ride. A worthy restart of the series.
And probably already my favourite Star Trek movie.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 09, 2009, 01:31:26 pm
I've been waiting to see the new trek movie, but I've been confined home for two weeks due to reasons  :yell:
I feel a bit iffy about it though. The trailer showed more phaser fire from the enterprise than all of the TNG episodes combined.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on May 09, 2009, 03:22:51 pm
Ugh I hated TNG, it was way too sterile. I can't wait to see the movie, TOS was my favorite. I've been watching DS9 and supposedly it gets better later on, I'm only on season three. It's pretty good... Though it does feel a bit too much like TNG at the moment.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on May 09, 2009, 06:33:56 pm
Man I saw the new Star Trek yesterday. It was awesome. A bit thin on story, but an action packed thrill ride. A worthy restart of the series.
And probably already my favourite Star Trek movie.

I thought the whole point behind Star Trek was that it was more story driven and less action packed. It looks like it's trying to be a Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on May 09, 2009, 11:53:51 pm
Star Trek started out fairly action packed. Actually very action packed. With TNG they took the action out in order to make room for more story, but ended up with the same episodic format which doesn't lend well to continuing plot lines - as was the case in the original - but without the action of the original to make it worthwhile.

So the new movie should be very true to the original in this regard.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 10, 2009, 09:43:20 am
Man I saw the new Star Trek yesterday. It was awesome. A bit thin on story, but an action packed thrill ride. A worthy restart of the series.
And probably already my favourite Star Trek movie.

I thought the whole point behind Star Trek was that it was more story driven and less action packed. It looks like it's trying to be a Star Wars movie.

Though kind of true, this franchise needed a reboot. And only a movie like this could've done it. Would you really want another Nemesis?
That one was more story driven, but it was terrible.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ryumaru on May 10, 2009, 04:53:50 pm
Well, Scrubs has officially ended. (although there is a small chance there may be a crappy spinoff or something)
That was a great finale, around the fifth season it definitely started going downhill, but this last season has been so great that it's kinda sad because I would have enjoyed at least a few more episodes at this level.


So if you ever liked scrubs and gave up during season 5-7, you might want to check out this last season.

I absolutely love scrubs! it sucks that it ended :[
Although im pretty sure the Janitor just gave J. D another fake name in that episode, maybe not.
I had to hold back tears during the ending D:
They even reveal the Janitors name :o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 11, 2009, 03:44:51 am
I absolutely love scrubs! it sucks that it ended :[
Although im pretty sure the Janitor just gave J. D another fake name in that episode, maybe not.
I had to hold back tears during the ending D:
Naw, that was officially his name, the other doc calling him a different name seconds later was just proving his point that no one cares what his name is.
Also, Neil Flynn voiced the character of the Janitor on another Bill Lawrence show before (clone high) and that janitor had the same name ;P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on May 11, 2009, 06:44:42 pm
I just came back from seeing the new ST movie. It was.. epic, I suppose.

Though kind of true, this franchise needed a reboot. And only a movie like this could've done it.

I agree that a Star Trek movie like this was probably necessary, and I liked the new Kirk and Spock, Bones was pretty good as well, so if they do more movies with this new crew I'll probably go see them.

But I still like the old movies better. ST1: The Motion Picture (Director's Cut), Wrath of Khan, The Voyage Home and First Contact have a unique feel to them and I like watching them again and again, they mature well, whereas this new movie.. while it was a fun ride, I don't feel like watching it again.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 11, 2009, 06:59:33 pm
I actually loved it!
My previous top 3 were Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and First Contact, but this one I would rate at least as high as Khan or maybe even a little higher. It's an origin story so there's a lot that couldn't be crammed in but I hope Abrams and crew stick around long enough to make a self-contained trilogy. If I had to describe it in one word, it would be FUN. Fun, fun, fun! More fun than any other Star Trek film (even Voyage Home), and waaaay more fun than the Star Wars prequels.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 11, 2009, 07:08:17 pm
Yup, saw star trek. Thought it was an allright rollercoaster. Spock did good, Kirk was aight.
BUT
It's star trek only superficially. There's really nothing trek about it. Themes like difficulty of communication, exploration, understanding different life, seeing humanity in different perspectives.
It's an action flick and being star trek only made it worse by strait jacketing it and preventing any awesome bad-assery type of action, which is something this movie was going for, but fell way short.
Also it went through on full throttle which made it very dull and Michael Bay like. The battles weren't very imaginative, there was no mystery, very little suspense thanks to the way things were conveniently and constantly pulled out of thin air, which made it seem like a story told by a hyperactive child.
Music was totally forgettable too, which is a shame cause it was like a two hour music video otherwise. Lens flares everywhere and all.

The beginning made me think of wing commander prophecy for some reason.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on May 11, 2009, 07:46:06 pm
It's star trek only superficially. There's really nothing trek about it. Themes like difficulty of communication, exploration, understanding different life, seeing humanity in different perspectives.

Indeed. As if exploring deep space and going where no one has gone before wasn't exciting, dangerous and mysterious enough, so the screen writers feel a need to come up with the inevitable revengeful villains and their doomsday weapons.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on May 12, 2009, 12:34:29 am
huZba has all the words for star trek that I couldn't find to describe the unfulfilled feeling I walked outta the cinema with...

I'd LOVE a Wing Commander movie. Just stitch together the cutscenes with gameplay and I'll still go watch it. :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 12, 2009, 10:53:19 am
Footage of the new Contra Wiiware game (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174178)

The action looks decent, but the level design looks pretty uninspired in some places.
Also, it looks like it's using the wayforward sprites, hopefully those guys have some sorta hand in it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 12, 2009, 01:49:36 pm
Indeed. As if exploring deep space and going where no one has gone before wasn't exciting, dangerous and mysterious enough, so the screen writers feel a need to come up with the inevitable revengeful villains and their doomsday weapons.

Well to be fair, only two Star Trek movies have ever been about going to strange new worlds: The Final Frontier, and Insurrection.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on May 12, 2009, 03:08:26 pm
Well to be fair, only two Star Trek movies have ever been about going to strange new worlds: The Final Frontier, and Insurrection.

I'd include the first movie in this category as well. Yes, they saved the world but most of the time they were being puzzled about the entity... and most of the other themes listed by huZba were present as well. It was trippy, and The Director's Cut is awesome. They did what Lucas should've done: they added new/better special effects but only such that they could've done with the technology at the time (If they had had more money).

The Earth on The Voyage Home was sort of a strange new world for them, I think it's one of the best attempts ever in movies to see our present world through different eyes. Done with great humour as well. Although Kirk and Spock had already previously visited the 1930's in The City on the Edge of Forever. My favourite series is TNG, I loved those episodes where they encounter something strange and weird stuff starts happening on Enterprise.

Well, we'll see what the next movie does, now that the ending of this movie promised all of those things I watch ST for. Not that I despise fast paced space action. On the contrary. I just wish ST at least wouldn't go any more in that direction than what this movie did.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 12, 2009, 07:15:15 pm
I watched a big part of the new Star Trek movie as well. Absolute tripe that insults the intelligence of any viewer that cares to actively use it while watching it. Time-travel? Parallel realities? Conviniently placed Old Spocks? Irrationally irrational young spocks that maroon people at moment's notice? Ridiculous video clip pacing where no humanity can breathe? Absolutely no wonderment at the unknown, the distant unfathomable? Bleh. I don't understand all these reboots.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on May 13, 2009, 03:22:09 am
I watched a big part of the new Star Trek movie as well. Absolute tripe that insults the intelligence of any viewer that cares to actively use it while watching it. Time-travel? Parallel realities? Conviniently placed Old Spocks? Irrationally irrational young spocks that maroon people at moment's notice? Ridiculous video clip pacing where no humanity can breathe? Absolutely no wonderment at the unknown, the distant unfathomable? Bleh. I don't understand all these reboots.

   A bit harsh review, wouldn't you say? I saw it as a popcorn flick. Easy going reboot, with a bit of heart. I liked it. I don't expect all movies I view to test my intelligence, despite their source material. I enjoy a bit of brainless action to jog my brain a bit, before thought overload occurs. Only point I agree with Helm is the fact that they treat alt. reality, and time travel as if it it were nothing. These are things man has been trying to obtain for so long, and conquer, yet the movie makes the viewer feel as if the characters within it treat it like it's a simple concept, that can casually be thrown around. Maybe I'm more offended by it, because I have a story that centers around time-travel(a bit, not like the kind you think), and feel the power to do so shouldn't be treated so bluntly. Such a wonderful thing, time is. It's not meant to be controlled, or understood. Moreso, just meant to be lived with....in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 13, 2009, 09:04:13 am
Haha, i was wondering when Helm would throw the "insult to our intelligence" again. I remember responding like Bob before, but for this occasion I'll have to say it's out of hand with so many movies going for a specifically targeted brain-nerve-wank-fest. Consciously avoiding anything that might invade the viewers privacy to keep them nice and passive.

It's not just movies. I feel like everything around us is being turned into comfort zones.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 13, 2009, 11:07:41 am
A bit harsh review, wouldn't you say? I saw it as a popcorn flick.

I will never go into a theater prepared for something worse than a good movie. I understand why others do, but I am not prepared to cheapen myself that way. I don't have to consume everything with a smile. I don't owe it to them to find a proper vantage, a painless point of view through which shit shoveled in my face is magically alright. I will NEVER ADJUST MY EXPECTATIONS. It's either good or it's not.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 13, 2009, 01:32:22 pm
I like to have a bit of candy in my film-going diet. The two films I watched before Star Trek were Brick and Synedoche, New York. Coming out of two depressing, heady films, Star Trek was like a delicious desert and it hit the spot perfectly. I agree with you Helm that you shouldn't go into a film expecting anything less than a good film, but it's also not fair to judge a film on criteria that it is clearly not aiming for. I wouldn't criticize a tragedy for being a piss poor comedy, and I wouldn't criticize a popcorn adventure movie for not being an intellectual potboiler.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 13, 2009, 03:34:59 pm
What is this 'pop corn adventure movie' you are talking about? Is it that if you eat pop corn at a theater it means the movie gets carte blanche to be idiotic (I ate popcorn at Synedoche, New York too)? Or is it that if the movie is about an adventure it's allowed to be intellectually bankrupt and have a story full of convenient holes?

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 13, 2009, 04:07:25 pm
The kind of experience you'd expect from a rollercoaster. Things go fast, there's some fancy lights, violent bits, fast bits, slow bits, then it stops and your experience is over and wont be carried with you further than that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on May 13, 2009, 04:10:17 pm
Indeed. Movies like Taken for example. Movies like that are good fun action where you do not have to think too much, but they are still fun. Like a day at the beach is fun when you have been backpacking and walking around for weeks. The only problem is that Hollywood is throwing out trash like there is no tomorrow. But that is more the consumers fault than Hollywood. Every market gets what it deserves and so on...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 13, 2009, 04:22:41 pm
No of course not, ptoing. A market doesn't get what it deserves, what are you talking about?

I fail to recognize any cognizant relationship between a day at the beach, which is full of rich experience that carries a lot of emotional weight in it besides just the 'fun' part and a roller-coaster hollywood movie pop corn adventure mindless whatever the shit experience you're talking about.

I think you're regurgitating a cliche without having given it enough critical thought. I think we're trained to do this, we're trained to be so soft on these films and this entertainment because the market profits from our lenience.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on May 13, 2009, 04:51:09 pm
A market gets what it deserves in the way that as long as it keeps consuming what it is given things will not change.
As long as people buy Fifa 20XX EA will make more, as long as people go watch films like The Fast and the Furious there will be more sequels.
Of course then there are people with more of a vision that sometimes produce something which actually makes you think or is great in other ways, but that is not the norm, with nothing. Would it be the norm, things would get boring as well and people would find something else to complain about.

The day on the beach was just a mild comparison.

walking through the jungle in a humid atmosphere = lying on the beach
a movie that makes you think = a movie which is just fast action without much mind

That kinda thing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on May 13, 2009, 06:12:10 pm
I like to go see a mindless action movie riding on special effects by Roland Emmerich or Michael Bay from time to time, just for the sake of the eye candy and momentary distraction, knowing that that's what I'm gonna get, but I'd hate the idea of having to go see a Star Trek movie for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on May 13, 2009, 08:21:09 pm
I kinda saw the new Star Trek as a throwback to the space swashbuckling of the swinging 60's show. Except this time Kirk wasn't handing out judo chops to a guy in a rubber suit, he was being chased by the Cloverfield monster across an ice planet! It was big, noisy, melodramatic and tons of fun.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 13, 2009, 09:22:07 pm
Well, even if it is very thin on story, I really enjoyed the action, the bright colours, the nice designs. It was just everything I expected from it.
Though from a Star Trek you do expect a better story, this is what the franchise needed to get a reboot. (And I think Star Trek deserved one)
Would any of us have been happy with another Nemesis? I certainly wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on May 14, 2009, 12:11:38 am
I only watched Star Trek for Sylar/Spock, and I prefer his performance in Heroes >.<

People bagged the Wolverine movie, but here I felt that actually had more of a story - and less crazy science, and we're talking chicks who turn into diamonds and giant frickin' laser beams outta ones eyes - than this one. Not to rile up all the comic lovers about how it changed the origins story or anything... XD Somehow that leap of 'science' made more sense than 'wee RED MATTER cos RED MATTER RLY IS SCIENCE NORLY'

I must've missed all the red matter episodes in Star Trek.

Edit: There were no red matter episodes, turns out. Eesh. All the science things that bugged me and more over here - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/ (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: bengo on May 14, 2009, 07:00:07 am
http://www.getpersonas.com/
Pixelation needs one of these, I'd wear it everyday, hurm, maybe I'll make it when I decide not to be lazy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 14, 2009, 09:17:34 am
Plus the fact that you can actually SEE several black holes. But I guess showing a black screen isn't very romantic.
But a supernova that just suddenly happens. I mean, doesn't it take several years for a star to actually become a supernova? That's just a plothole.
If those Romulans are so dumb they didn't see it coming, I guess they deserved to be wiped out xD.
It kind of reminds me of that scene in an Austin Powers movie. Where a guy waits like 5 minutes to be run over by a steamroller.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 14, 2009, 10:39:17 am
No one was bothered by the seemingly infinite transporter range? Kinda makes the enterprise obsolete.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on May 14, 2009, 09:16:38 pm
No one was bothered by the seemingly infinite transporter range? Kinda makes the enterprise obsolete.

 I was too busy being bothered by how the Romulans (my favourite alien race on Trek) neither looked nor acted like Romulans.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 15, 2009, 11:40:46 am
Saw Star Trek today, and it is the first time I've ever been interested in watching anything star trek related.

I was expecting all the faults already mentioned, they didn't really bug me though, I enjoyed the story and how much of the Star Trek universe they managed to establish without treating newbies like me like retards.
Overall, I am very glad I saw it and not wolverine.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 15, 2009, 01:05:18 pm
Overall, I am very glad I saw it and not wolverine.

Amazing false dichotomy there.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 15, 2009, 01:13:39 pm
Not sure what you mean, my friends wanted to see wolverine, I managed to convince them into Star Trek.
I didn't really enjoy any of the xmen movies and I've been hearing wolverine is even worse.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 15, 2009, 01:38:09 pm
Overall, I am very glad I saw it and not wolverine.

Amazing false dichotomy there.

 ??? :-\  :-X  ::)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 15, 2009, 07:30:51 pm
Ι'm not trying to play the smart ass. False dichotomy is when you force someone to choose between two alternatives as if they're the only available whereas they could conceivably choose neither and go with an 'outside the box' choice, like uh, not going to the movies when only shit is playing.

It's kicking the terrorist in the nuts instead of either choosing saving your only child, or saving your village, you know? It's a triumph of goodness and human spirit. Willpower and pure desire for a better life.

consumerist culture blah blah we've had this conversation before, I'm sorry. Just rubs me wrong.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on May 15, 2009, 07:46:27 pm
...It's a triumph of goodness and human spirit. Willpower and pure desire for a better life.

No offense, please, but pretty deep and epic words for a conversation about rollercoaster ride blow-up movies.  My foot is getting better... As if any of you guys are interested.   :)  Talking about problems is such a waste of breath..  I don't know why I do it.
Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on May 15, 2009, 07:55:30 pm
The consumerism runs pretty deep so it's required for the few to stand up strong instead of going for an even handed approach trying to avoid offending anyone.
Interest in other people is far more important than our wankrides. So uh, nice knowing your foot's better  :P. I dislocated my toe like a year back and it still doesn't work right.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 16, 2009, 01:01:59 am
Well, I work in a video store so it's good to watch movies :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 17, 2009, 07:29:42 pm
Here's a happy birthday to Miascugh, Ben2theedge, Terley, and of course Ptoing :). Have a good one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on May 17, 2009, 08:21:44 pm
Thanks :) And happy birthday from you to those other 3 guys as well :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 18, 2009, 08:51:06 am
HAPPY BIRFDAYS :D :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on May 18, 2009, 09:08:13 am
Happy birthday to you guys.

With all this star trek talks... we need to watch some old school stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5lwyk1paQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L04dpkbU3IA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uz-BGbxptY
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 18, 2009, 01:02:47 pm
Thanks guys!
It's been a rockin' quarter-century, I'm looking forward to another one!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on May 19, 2009, 02:27:15 am
Oh geeze, all this pixel art has me with my eye basically touching the screen trying to get the 25% of a digital painting exact right down to the pixel. I'm probably going to take all my digi stuff onto pixel level for cleanup after resizing from now on, automatic AA is kind of bugging me when I can't get something exactly the way I intend it because of the stupid blurry shrinking.  :blind:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on May 19, 2009, 10:10:39 am
Huh? Atnas, what are you up to : D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 19, 2009, 02:41:33 pm
Happy birthday guys :)

I'm starting a tool assisted speedrun (TAS) for Sonic Rush on the DS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhkBph6mxXc)
An emulator has been released that finally makes this possible, and I'm pretty interested in pushing Rush to its' limits.

I've already obsoleted this run by half a second, and I'm still half a second behind the fastest recorded run I've been able to find. I still need to shave off another 2 seconds according to the leader board at soniccenter.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on May 19, 2009, 03:35:17 pm
Nice :O What emulator are you using?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 19, 2009, 03:49:01 pm
DeSmuME (http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8008)

It still has a ways to go, plenty of bugs, crashes, and incompatibilities.
Plus I don't think a single game is emulated at 100% yet (I removed slow down frame by frame in the video)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 20, 2009, 03:16:45 pm
Oh man this is briliant. My birthday is in a month from now.
And today I receive a huge package from musicstore.
I am the only one home so I had to take it in.
Now I just have to wait a month until I can play on the damn guitar. Which by the way, is an Epiphone Les Paul Standard Ebony.
But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that it's here a month early.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on May 22, 2009, 08:35:45 pm
I picked up a guitar once or twice. I always felt like it just wasn't meant for me. But recently, I've played some Rock Band. That is fun!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on May 22, 2009, 11:04:26 pm
Huh? Atnas, what are you up to : D

Pixel art for a commercial project and a digital painting for my own indulgence at the same time. I get the principles of each media mixed up with the other sometimes c:

What are YOU up to? ' v '
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on May 24, 2009, 09:33:09 pm
I picked up a guitar once or twice. I always felt like it just wasn't meant for me. But recently, I've played some Rock Band. That is fun!

You should do it alittle longer. In the start it's boring. But after you've done it a while and really start being able to play along with your favourite songs it becomes fun.
It's just like reading a book that needs some time getting into it.

Well my girlfriend just broke up with me. My first pretty serious relationship... And man it feels like being hit in the head with a sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on May 25, 2009, 08:09:30 pm
Huh? Atnas, what are you up to : D

Pixel art for a commercial project and a digital painting for my own indulgence at the same time. I get the principles of each media mixed up with the other sometimes c:

What are YOU up to? ' v '

Well, everyday consists of making pixel art for a commercial project, heh, which is lucky for me! Also everyday when in a bad mood is spent in anguish over making a game I wouldn't like to play myself, but that's life! Hah!

Right now I'm totally trying to create a little shooter mockup because because .. @ n @ I need to do pixel art for personal purposes or my pixel bone with wither and break! I'll just try to get everything I wanna add down (or at least a little more) and I'll post it! Holy moly me posting an art thread in pixelation, now that'd be something!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: davidelrizzo on May 27, 2009, 12:36:43 am
I recently discover this link to one of the craziest Japanese snes games I have ever seen and thought people here would enjoy.
I would defiantly play if it was still around. Where do the Japanese get such ideas from and has anyone ever seen anything quite as bizarre as this before?

http://www.bogleech.com/snes-gourmet.html (http://www.bogleech.com/snes-gourmet.html)

love it!


PS. I am a big fan of this site and enjoy the amazing talent of its members.
Its entertaining even if you aren't a pixel artist, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 27, 2009, 04:07:21 am
Leaked footage of canceled Wayforward DS game (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/alien-ds-cancelled-game/318772), looks like a slower paced contra with maybe a little horror to it.
From that footage, I think I would have bought it, sucks that it apparently got canned

edit-
Video has been taklen down, so hopefully that means something good...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dr D on May 27, 2009, 04:37:13 am
http://www.kongregate.com/games/urbansquall/battalion-skirmish

Believe this is a demo for a game in which Doppelganger was the artist. It looks very nice and smooth, can't wait until it's finished.
Although, not fond of the portraits.

Just ran across it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 27, 2009, 05:01:54 am
Leaked footage of canceled Wayforward DS game (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/alien-ds-cancelled-game/318772), looks like a slower paced contra with maybe a little horror to it.
From that footage, I think I would have bought it, sucks that it apparently got canned

Hope it's not canceled  :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on May 27, 2009, 09:06:36 am
I really hope it didn't get cancelled too.
Looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 27, 2009, 01:15:11 pm
I spy Paul Robertson animations! I'm digging those giant modular aliens too... this BETTER come out or I will cry a thousand emo tears.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on May 27, 2009, 02:40:30 pm
I recently discover this link to one of the craziest Japanese snes games I have ever seen and thought people here would enjoy.
I would defiantly play if it was still around. Where do the Japanese get such ideas from and has anyone ever seen anything quite as bizarre as this before?

http://www.bogleech.com/snes-gourmet.html (http://www.bogleech.com/snes-gourmet.html)

love it! . . .


Oh man, I got that beat, easy. Possibly the most disturbing Japanese game ever (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/sexual-games/10.php). Go up one level, you'll see they also featured your Gourmet Sentai Bara Yarou.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on May 27, 2009, 08:03:42 pm
Anybody here good at math?

(http://www.danfessler.com/dump/isotilemath1.PNG)

the top portion of the image shows how to find the tilex and tiley of a point given the tilesize.  tile = int( pt / tilesize ) + 1
I want to perform this same type of operation on an isometric grid given a constant 2:1 tile ratio, and origin is the top corner of the isometric grid.

I'm assuming I should stretch the isometric grid vertically x2 then rotate it counterclockwise by 45 degrees, then finally perform my original equation - but I am unsure how to do this.  Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Arachne on May 27, 2009, 09:21:34 pm
Maybe this book (http://books.google.com/books?id=sdfWzPrNx2gC&pg=RA1-PA194&lpg=RA1-PA194&dq=game+isometric+coordinate+system+transformation&source=bl&ots=_RzTXHIn56&sig=12pVhSivUmt2vwKUC5C6Bh9Iovk&hl=en&ei=s6UdSsumJoXQ-Aat35HRBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PRA1-PA195,M1) will be of use?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: willfaulds on May 27, 2009, 09:42:07 pm
Indigo i'm sure that kind of thing is covered in http://www.tonypa.pri.ee/tbw/start.html  :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on May 27, 2009, 10:51:19 pm
thanks for the help guys.  Both of those links look insanely awesome.  Bookmarked both of them for future reference :)  I ended up solving the problem before viewing them though.  If anybody is interested, here is how the function ended up...

Code: [Select]
function gettilex(x,y,tilesize#)

   `stretch the iso grid vertically x2 to create
   `perfectly square tiles
   y=y*2

   `find the angle to rotate to
   `(current angle -45 degrees)
   theta#=atan(x/y)-45
   if theta#<0
      theta#=theta#+360
   endif

   `perform rotation. grid should now be straight
   newx = cos(theta#)*x - sin(theta#)*y
   newy = sin(theta#)*x + cos(theta#)*y

   `get tile ordered pair from pixel position
   tilex = int(newx/tilesize#)+1
   tiley = int(newy/tilesize#)+1

   `return tile
endfunction tilex
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on May 27, 2009, 11:35:33 pm
i just spent ages puzzling out this cheap way to do it:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/tocky/cheapiso.png)

you can count the diagonals on the display and then work backwards to pinpoint the cell
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on May 28, 2009, 12:54:26 am
really confused what you're talking about, tocky.  Can you explain?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on May 28, 2009, 01:13:26 am
um, maybe.

in isometric your original x and y coordinates are skewed and don't follow the x and y dimensions of the display. any given x-gridline (on the grid data structure) takes up several different y values on the screen (and vice versa for y-lines and x values). but the diagonals (on the data structure) map to constant x and y positions (on the display). so you can measure the distance in diagonals between any given point and the origin (on the display), and that'll tell you which cell you're addressing.

for each diagonal in one direction, the sum of the x and y adresses (on the data structure) for all cells on that line is constant. in the other direction, the difference between x and y is constant. so if you have both of those values, you've found the cell - but these are the same values you get from counting the x- and y-distance from the origin on the isometric display.

in the example, the cell you're after is one diagonal east and three diagonals south of the origin. so you find the cell in the target area where x-y=1 and x+y = 3, and that's your guy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on May 28, 2009, 04:53:52 am
Some simple matrix transformation strikes me as the most elegant solution (axonometrically general to boot).

Using a 2x2 matrix derived from your world-to-screen x and y vectors:
xxxy
yxyy
Multiply the matrix by your world coords to get screen coords.
Multiply the inverse of the matrix by your screen coords to get world coords.
(http://surtspixels.googlepages.com/iso_vectors.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on May 28, 2009, 06:02:01 pm
that IS a good way to go about it.  I didn't think about that at all.  Although my current solution works - this seems much more versitile.  Gah.  I may rewrite my function now.  Thanks surt
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on May 29, 2009, 09:35:21 am
Some information (only in 日本語) about the creation of the new KOF sprites, along with galleries and stuff. 100% DOT action!
http://kofaniv.snkplaymore.co.jp/info/15th_anniv/2d_dot/index.php

So far my favorite bit about the new game (aside from the sexy banding on the characters) is the somewhat disturbing backgrounds, especially the one with the french pig women.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on May 29, 2009, 10:30:10 am
100% DOT action!

Edited from cartoonshaded 3D models. Fair enough tho, the sprites are huge and lots of frames.

EDIT: Just looked at the example animation. I have to say I have mixed feelings. Because stuff is made from 3D models the consistency is extremely high, but there is not much flair. Even for really fast attacks they do not use any blurring or stretching, which is some cases looks a bit robotic.

Also it is very formulaic and they added buffershades for the main body but when dropshadows which are of course all from the 3D source overlap they did not apply the buffershades, which looks a bit odd too, but probbaly wont be all that noticable in motion.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on May 29, 2009, 11:50:28 am
Yeah, the lack of buffer shades in the "self shadows" is a bit strange, but I'm sure the style will be copied by pixelers of all ages for the foreseeable future. It'd be nice to read a translation of the page, especially since the jump from 2d to 3d to 2d is a bit fuzzy picture wise.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on May 29, 2009, 01:33:26 pm
BANDING HELL
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on May 29, 2009, 05:43:11 pm
Uhmm let's see...

It takes them 3 days to make the rough sprite.
Then they make a 3d model + animations, based on it so they can trace the frames later on.
And after that, it takes them a week to make a finished frame.

A whole character (with all the frames and stuff) takes them roughly 6 months and a half.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on May 29, 2009, 05:52:23 pm
One week for a frame? the fuck? That sounds hella slow.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on May 29, 2009, 06:24:42 pm
It says it takes the director about a week to trace and make the stuff for 1 character, so I supposed a single frame, especially seeing how a rough character takes them 3 days and a finished full one 6 months+.
Maybe he just traces all the frames needed in one week and has other people finishing them for half a year *shrugs*.
They don't really go too deep in the process explanation.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on May 29, 2009, 08:00:51 pm
the sprites are terrible

Would make much more sense just to use the straight renders if they can't do the pixel art renditions very well.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on May 29, 2009, 09:20:17 pm
The rendering logic in these sprites is completely balled out (direct translation of swedish expression ftw)

Loads of buffer shades but no AA, again lots of buffer shades to create smoothness but banding that counteracts it, and as previously stated lots of animation without animation fluff applied (i.e. no bending/squashing/stretching/blurring) and in the end LOADS of flashy glowy alpha-channel rainbow effects that effectively obscures anything that might translate to a feeling of impact from fists and feet hitting man and woman fighter meat.

I'm a bit sorry. It's not horrible but the lost potential just SHIIINES out of these sprites D:

Pig people are fantastic though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Squiggly_P on May 30, 2009, 05:43:10 am
I think the way they've lit them is gonna kill a lot of the effect.  Look at the Egypt stage.  It's dim and red and the ligthing is from the bottom.

Now look at the characters...  They're high contrast and lit by white light from above.

See...  I always thought that most 2D games avoided really emphasizing things like light direction and high contrast lighting for this exact reason...  you'd have to design the characters and stages to conform to some specific rules about lighting and light sources, and it would have to be from directly above, or flipped sprites would be lit from opposite directions...  The only stage that would make sense with their ligthing would be a prison yard stage at night or dusk with searchlights following the characters or something like that.  I don't see them fitting into any other environment really well, especially not something lit so differently as that Egypt stage...

I'd like to think most people won't notice, but that seems like it would stand out a lot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TrevoriuS on May 30, 2009, 09:42:35 am
now their pipeline doesn't seem very efficient
basing it off a 3D model can work, but you really lack control over small detail elements when animating like that
you might as well just sketch out a few figures in the time you make the 3D model  and animate that
and have your animation planned like that much better
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on May 30, 2009, 12:10:01 pm
I.. like the palette?

It's a shame to see Street Fighter and KOF sporting such disappointing graphics.. I think KOF is at least an improvement over SFIIHD though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on May 30, 2009, 04:31:53 pm
The time listed probably takes into account the tweaking and bouncing back and forth between q&a/testing and the development team, something that is especially crucial for a fighting game I'd wager. You can't make all the graphics 100% correct from the start.

And Hey Hey c'mon! Let's be honest, the reason why people are ragging on these graphics is because there's some 3D involvement. They don't look worse than anything in the KOF series so far. I'm honestly surprised they got such a good result out of making it this way.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on May 31, 2009, 02:16:51 am
Junkboy: What you talking bout mans, 3D in the pipeline is totally fine, it's just a little non-delicate animatey technique plus BANDING HELL that bugs me. And most people. I think.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on May 31, 2009, 01:12:38 pm
The rendering logic in these sprites is completely bollocksed

Fixed  :P

I would say that it all seems on-par with previous KOF games and overall the game is still quite pretty, but fun of animation is definitely diminished by locking it onto a 3D aperture. 3D tends to make everything sterile and lifeless because the ability to exaggerate space and proportion in 2D animation is what gives it so much life, and it's an effect that 3D animators have been trying to somehow convert over to their methods for decades now (and failing with a few exceptions). I am willing to guess that this is a pretty inexperienced team... not so much as SFIIHD but not that much better either. That would explain the completely bonkers workflow they're using, the ludcirous amount of time it takes, and the religious devotion to accurate proportions instead of more adventurous, expressive animations (or criminy, even motion blurs and such) But the end result I think will still be 100x superior to SFIIHD. I'll be reserving final judgment until I see the whole game in context, I think.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Souly on June 01, 2009, 03:42:10 am
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2lsts08.png)\

Whatever you do, don't click this image here.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 01, 2009, 08:22:54 am
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2lsts08.png)
Whatever you do, don't click this image here.
I'm guessing you had it url tagged?
I believe we have that disabled because of dumbasses copying the hyperlinked code from imagesites so every time we click to enlarge it opens more windows.
You need to use [url=URL][nozoom]IMAGE[/nozoom][/url]  ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Souly on June 01, 2009, 10:12:17 am
^.^; oops
So my post really didn't make any sense... heh

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9-GXd0Ha4)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 01, 2009, 11:38:20 am
So is this a riff off of Gish or what?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on June 01, 2009, 04:32:34 pm
interesting game, but curse you for using Musicshake.  Use FL Studio and make original things.   >:(
I can make music for you if you want.  For free, call it a favor.  Not that my music is in high demand at the moment.  Just don't use MusicShake.  !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Souly on June 01, 2009, 07:16:06 pm
So is this a riff off of Gish or what?
Not at all, Gish is entirely physics based.
The character, the objectives everything was physics based.
In Gish you collect coins while moving to the next objective.

And I don't remember getting larger in gish.
Do you? I never got that far into yet I just got the game a few days ago.

I think of this game more like Katamari then Gish to be honest, though the whole blob with a face is what Gish is so that part I can't really make any different.
In Gish you control your properties of Gish with A,S,D
A to stick, S to be slippery, D to make yourself heavy

In my game you're always sticky and slippery, and my blob isn't physics based.
It's just quite the illusion that it sort of seems to be.

But I'd go as far as say yes inspired by Gish for sure.

but curse you for using Musicshake.  Use FL Studio and make original things.   >:(
I can make music for you if you want.  For free, call it a favor.  Not that my music is in high demand at the moment.  Just don't use MusicShake.  !yus!
Umm Srike, I didn't use anything to make any kind of music?
I don't know where you are getting this idea.

I used a song from Youtube's collection.
That's where the song for this video came from if you're wondering.
I accidentally un-installed my fruityloops or maybe I would have tried to make my own music.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 03, 2009, 04:48:30 am
Well, nintendo's e3 conference this year wasn't too bad, they showed more than I was expecting, namely:
Super Mario Galaxy 2
New Super Mario Bros Wii (with 4 player co op)
Metroid: Other M (Team Ninja + Nintendo)
Golden Sun DS

And of course a stupid new peripheral that reads your heart rate and a bunch of other shitty games.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 03, 2009, 04:55:09 am
Mario Galaxy 2 looks sooo fun... I can't wait! Give me a reason to turn my Wii on other than Gamecube games, please!
I haven't seen anything from the NSMB yet, but if it's co-op and as great as the original... definitely can't wait for that either. I'm hoping they add some REAL sort of multiplayer for Galaxy 2 as well, and not some cheesy pointer or something.

I'm skeptical about Team Ninja working on Metroid, and the trailer only made me feel more secure in that skepticism... :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on June 03, 2009, 05:00:16 am
http://www.iimusic.net/catalog/2009/06/nectar (http://www.iimusic.net/catalog/2009/06/nectar)
Just pimping this here, I enjoyed making the covers as I enjoy the music, the cyberpunk EP especially.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 03, 2009, 05:15:54 am
Mario Galaxy 2 looks sooo fun... I can't wait! Give me a reason to turn my Wii on other than Gamecube games, please!
I haven't seen anything from the NSMB yet, but if it's co-op and as great as the original... definitely can't wait for that either. I'm hoping they add some REAL sort of multiplayer for Galaxy 2 as well, and not some cheesy pointer or something.

I'm skeptical about Team Ninja working on Metroid, and the trailer only made me feel more secure in that skepticism... :(
It's really hard to tell what's going on in the metroid trailer, at the moment it looked something like that disaster day of crisis game..

Here's a trailer for NSMBWii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlDUbRQ4UA), just looks like good old fashion fun.

I liked Galaxy's multiplayer, I don't think a full on co-op would have been necessary and I would have killed for the.. little brother second player option when my brothers were playing SMW on the snes or something.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: LODYblokady on June 03, 2009, 06:12:42 am
I don't like how everything looks gradient-raped.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: xhunterko on June 03, 2009, 06:16:09 am
@Cow: Ah, now that is something to look forward listening too. And to anyone else who doesn't like the .flac file type. Just get one of the many free converters on the net and swap the file. There is no sound loss and the transfer is seamless. I would reccomend using Switch. You should be able to find it on downloads.com. And the best part is, it's (should be anyway, I think) free. At least the version I'm using is.

This is also the first E3 that I'm able to watch the conferences and demos live. I don't know why your worried Takam, the new Metroid looks fine to me. One of my favorite things so far is the SW: The Old Republic MMO. That trailer looked sweet.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 03, 2009, 07:02:26 am
I love that the new Metroid is going the 3rd person route. Should be interesting to see it done. Hated all the build up and cut scene stuff with the super serious expression people. Stern gazes remind me of my tormented childhood and neglective parent figures.  I don't understand why they are going to have FPS scenes, which I have a sneaking suspicion will work like quicktime events to be performed at critical moments in boss battles. Love all the neat wrestling bits during hte boss fights, except they are probably quicktimish gimmicks. I wish they could incorporate that stuff in a more interactive way. There's no real indication of how linear the game will be, but I'm going to assume very. Looking forward to the new trailer at the next E3.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on June 03, 2009, 07:14:31 am
Did you guys already see this: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-secret/50151 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-secret/50151)

It's a HD remix of Secret of Monkey Island for Xbox360 and.... ew....ew....ew.... I feel molested now. :( It could have been really good remix, if they'd done it for example Curse of Monkey Island style but this is just awful.

I almost cried out loud when I saw that. They took my whole childhood and raped it. :'(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dr D on June 03, 2009, 07:28:56 am
Yeah, I was reading about that earlier today. Sharprm gave the link on PJ.

http://grumpygamer.com/8280380
http://www.lucasarts.com/games/monkeyisland/

I really despise when video game companies try to milk an old franchise for money. Even if the new game might be 'better' in every way, it's usually really not, and it's hard to be optimistic about it, when they're messing with your sweet memories, and changing the game as you knew it.

Being over-anal maybe, but, bottom line, I can truly say I would have preferred they left it alone, or didn't make such drastic changes.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on June 03, 2009, 10:05:36 am
New metroid feels like a slomo punch into the soul for me

Not because it looks awful but because it looks wrong for fandom reasons. Also because graphics look like plastic and that the 'pallette' and design is completely n64ishly flat and one-colored. None of the gritty organicness that I think of when I think of metroid.

They seem to strip away all the WHAT THE HELL-ness from the games and replacing it with otherstuffs. It's cool. It's something else. It's not what i wanted. Boohoo.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on June 03, 2009, 10:19:02 am
Did you guys already see this: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-secret/50151 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-secret/50151)

It's a HD remix of Secret of Monkey Island for Xbox360 and.... ew....ew....ew.... I feel molested now. :( It could have been really good remix, if they'd done it for example Curse of Monkey Island style but this is just awful.

I almost cried out loud when I saw that. They took my whole childhood and raped it. :'(


The art is messy and horrible and the animations are crap. No atmosphere, horrible colour usage. has The pixel art is objectively still miles better.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: willfaulds on June 03, 2009, 10:41:28 am
I was very pleased to see you can swap between pixel and modern graphics at any time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZCNWO7izE (towards the end)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 03, 2009, 01:23:16 pm
My summary of E3 so far:

Not excited about God of Metroid May Cry Gaiden's Inferno. >:(

HD Remix of Monkey Island looks like bollocks. The Tell-Tale one will be awesome although the renderer they're using is getting very long in the tooth.

Left 4 Dead 2 looks like someone saw the first game and thought "This is way to atmospheric and stylish! It needs to be more generic!"

The new Team Ico game looks AMAZING!!! Breathtaking, even.

That new game that Bethseda is making sounds awesome.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on June 03, 2009, 01:35:57 pm
I was very pleased to see you can swap between pixel and modern graphics at any time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZCNWO7izE (towards the end)

But who really wants to play original monkey island with a pad, seriously?

In the remake there are lots of pretty decent character art and backgrounds are mostly quite ok, but I can not excuse the style decision for Guybrush. The hair for crying out loud! And all the animations seen so far are really crappy too.

 :'(

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/monkeyisland.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on June 03, 2009, 02:10:33 pm
looks like shit disney to me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on June 03, 2009, 03:22:51 pm
Everything I've seen so far about L4D2 disappoints me. I honestly hope it's a two-month late April Fool's joke. Valve plays pranks, right?

The original L4D has a lot of bugs that need to be ironed out. Since it's release, they've only updated it with one truly new (but small) level. It was released with only 20 levels. I hope they continue to add updates (as they promised pre-release) despite the announcement of a sequel.

I've watched all the gameplay videos I could find for L4D2, and it looks like an elaborate re-skin. They've added new characters, weapons, and special enemy types... but it's still the same game. On top of that, nothing really says "horror" to me... broad daylight, goofy weapons.

I would've liked to see the sequel take the game to a new scale. Make it L8D, with 8 survivors and thousands of zombies. Make the maps an entire location, rather than glorified tunnels from point A to B. Instead of giving you more weapons to fight one zombie at a time, make the weapons more group-effective. Flamethrower, rocket launcher, etc.

These are the kinds of improvements that make a sequel.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on June 03, 2009, 04:14:01 pm
New metroid feels like a slomo punch into the soul for me

Not because it looks awful but because it looks wrong for fandom reasons. Also because graphics look like plastic and that the 'pallette' and design is completely n64ishly flat and one-colored. None of the gritty organicness that I think of when I think of metroid.

They seem to strip away all the WHAT THE HELL-ness from the games and replacing it with otherstuffs. It's cool. It's something else. It's not what i wanted. Boohoo.

I'm definitely feeling more like that.
like, even though the beginning was a flashback, that chick looked like a final fantasy character, not a younger Samus.  I'm too shocked to formulate a valid opinion, though.  I won't judge too hard until I get some more information.  Interesting direction, yes, but although I'm sure it'll be a great game, it won't be a metroid game.  Once again though, I'm not judging till I get more info.  We'll see how it develops.

OMFG
The Wii Vitality sensor?  wtf?  so STUPID.  it's a fucking game system, not a children's doctor-dress-up plastic thing.   !yus!

NSMB2 looks great, though.  I'll be buying that.
Yeh, I just saw UP yesterday.  I laughed, I cried, more than once, definitely a buy.  Who else saw it?  It's too amazing to explain, you just have to see it.  Pixar gets better every time.  I was like, ouch, first five minutes of the movie.  No diolouge is happening, and I'm crying.  Dammit, Pixar, you're too good.

3D gave me more headaches than pleasure.  The short in front of UP, Partly Cloudy, it genius. 

I love pixar.
EDIT:
Quote from: Souly
Umm Srike, I didn't use anything to make any kind of music?
I don't know where you are getting this idea.

I used a song from Youtube's collection.
That's where the song for this video came from if you're wondering.
I accidentally un-installed my fruityloops or maybe I would have tried to make my own music.
Oh.   :D  Either way, the song was made with MusicShake, the world's shittiest music program.

I'd assumed you'd used Musicshake, because it's super-easy and quick but produces super-juvenile music.  Game developers use it to make quick functional music for games.


Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 03, 2009, 04:43:43 pm
The new Team Ico game looks AMAZING!!! Breathtaking, even.
Whoa, link please?

Everything I've seen so far about L4D2 disappoints me. I honestly hope it's a two-month late April Fool's joke. Valve plays pranks, right?

The original L4D has a lot of bugs that need to be ironed out. Since it's release, they've only updated it with one truly new (but small) level. It was released with only 20 levels. I hope they continue to add updates (as they promised pre-release) despite the announcement of a sequel.

I've watched all the gameplay videos I could find for L4D2, and it looks like an elaborate re-skin. They've added new characters, weapons, and special enemy types... but it's still the same game. On top of that, nothing really says "horror" to me... broad daylight, goofy weapons.

I would've liked to see the sequel take the game to a new scale. Make it L8D, with 8 survivors and thousands of zombies. Make the maps an entire location, rather than glorified tunnels from point A to B. Instead of giving you more weapons to fight one zombie at a time, make the weapons more group-effective. Flamethrower, rocket launcher, etc.

These are the kinds of improvements that make a sequel.
I agree. They're pushing out a sequel before they even expanded the first one(like they should have, because nearly everyon who bought it was expecting DLC because the game was so damn small). I just don't think it was time yet for a L4D2, as all of those changes could have easily been put into L4D.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 03, 2009, 05:58:57 pm
If they were to change anything structurally about the game I would have liked to see more physical cooperative abilities between characters as well as some more work on the "siege" parts of the game - being able to make barricades, etc. There doesn't seem to be any sort of strategic updates to the game at all, they're just adding extra polish. Hence it seems less like a sequel and more like an expansion pack.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on June 03, 2009, 09:22:48 pm
I read that they added the Charger special infected to solve one of the flaws with the first game, people cornercamping and spamming melee throughout crescendos without anything being able to touch them.

Well, thanks for including the fix for that in the game I didn't buy and haven't had a problem with yet because it's not out yet! Hey, how about making those fixes for the game that's already out? There's a lot of cool stuff that can be added to the experience to make it deeper. Yeah, like melee weapons, that's a good one. You can save those for the sequel. But please, if you have a fix for the biggest thing people are complaining about with the game, why not include it in the actual game people are complaining about? Are they seriously trying to force people to buy the sequel by not fixing a balance issue in the first game?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 03, 2009, 09:31:06 pm
I read that they added the Charger special infected to solve one of the flaws with the first game, people cornercamping and spamming melee throughout crescendos without anything being able to touch them.

Well, thanks for including the fix for that in the game I didn't buy and haven't had a problem with yet because it's not out yet! Hey, how about making those fixes for the game that's already out? There's a lot of cool stuff that can be added to the experience to make it deeper. Yeah, like melee weapons, that's a good one. You can save those for the sequel. But please, if you have a fix for the biggest thing people are complaining about with the game, why not include it in the actual game people are complaining about? Are they seriously trying to force people to buy the sequel by not fixing a balance issue in the first game?
Actually they added a cool-down if you spam the melee too much. I believe it's after 3 melee's you have to wait a few seconds before you can melee again.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on June 03, 2009, 09:42:45 pm
Oh also Super Mario Galaxy 2, why did the trailer not have real orchestral music? Too expensive? Very confusing. Feels like one of those disney movie sequels with horrible animation and no plot.

Nintendo feeling like horrible disney makes me worry. (they're probably gonna make a shitton of money if going in that direction, too! : D)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 03, 2009, 09:53:02 pm
I read that they added the Charger special infected to solve one of the flaws with the first game, people cornercamping and spamming melee throughout crescendos without anything being able to touch them.

Well, thanks for including the fix for that in the game I didn't buy and haven't had a problem with yet because it's not out yet! Hey, how about making those fixes for the game that's already out? There's a lot of cool stuff that can be added to the experience to make it deeper. Yeah, like melee weapons, that's a good one. You can save those for the sequel. But please, if you have a fix for the biggest thing people are complaining about with the game, why not include it in the actual game people are complaining about? Are they seriously trying to force people to buy the sequel by not fixing a balance issue in the first game?

I think you're spoiled by Vavle's past good graces. Just because they often support their games extensively doesn't mean they owe you to continue to do so. Finding fixes for problems and implementing them on sequels is pretty much why there are sequels.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 03, 2009, 10:00:12 pm
Oh also Super Mario Galaxy 2, why did the trailer not have real orchestral music? Too expensive? Very confusing. Feels like one of those disney movie sequels with horrible animation and no plot.

Nintendo feeling like horrible disney makes me worry. (they're probably gonna make a shitton of money if going in that direction, too! : D)
They're basically calling Galaxy 2 an expansion pack aimed at the hardcore players that wanted more and for it to be harder, sounds good to me.

Back to Metroid, pretty sure the footage resembling gameplay was a proof of concept, the CG stuff is probably final and being used in cutscenes though.
At the moment I'm only really excited that a new Metroid is on the horizon, and it looks to be filling in the gaps with Samus's commander Adam she referenced in fusion.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on June 03, 2009, 10:07:36 pm
BUT ORCHESTRAL MUSIC D:

Okay, well, that's the same thing as the japanese super mario bros 2 then. In some ways. Is cool I guess!

Why did metroid look so plastic though! Goddamnit! Give me gritty and weird! Gah.

I want metroid games to give me a metroidepression. I wanna be disoriented and feel lost and alone. Not many games do that. If the metroid series completely stop doing that as well then. Gah. It's a little sad!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: xhunterko on June 03, 2009, 10:10:29 pm
Heh, buy the way. If you guys like UP, I was just wondering if anyone's seen this yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJEDUainX4

Now that, I think, is going to be excellent.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 03, 2009, 10:54:56 pm
What a hairdo on Threepwood. YOU'RE... GORGEOUS! Seriously, somebody needs to let LucasArts know about this little thing called the DS. It has this pointer thing, and a screen. And another screen...

I dunno, the in game graphics don't look so bad to me. I liked the water effect, and lighting looks the same as I remember. I think they're doing hte same thing as Street Fighter HD, except with less invented anatomy. I always though the pixel art for the MI games was pretty rough. It wasn't till Day of the Tentacle that I feel they had successfully blended their hand drawn art with the pixels. I think they're going the right route if they want this to appeal to the current gen of gamers. I hope they are putting this on XBLA. Can't put a full price tag on this, which is a bad move on the retail shelf. Hmm, they really need to tweak the analog stick speed, though. It's way too slow for the moment.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 03, 2009, 10:57:09 pm
What a hairdo on Threepwood. YOU'RE... GORGEOUS! Seriously, somebody needs to let LucasArts know about this little thing called the DS. It has this pointer thing, and a screen. And another screen...
Someone asked him ages ago if he planned on a new or old Monkey Island game coming out for DS and he said it wasn't possible on the DS.
They told him it was already possible thanks to homebrew and showed him some of the scummvm games running.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on June 04, 2009, 01:58:09 am
Oh, really, they fixed the melee spamming? See, that annoyed me so much I haven't picked the game up in quite a while... Maybe I need to crawl back and apologize to it, then.

Also, Helm, I'm not spoiled. L4D was the first Valve game I've ever bought. I have no expectations about their good graces. The exploit I'm talking about ended up being quite serious and I heard nothing about it for months, until I stopped playing the game. Then, today, I read about a fix for it - in another game. That'd be like Bungie releasing Halo 3 in order to fix the early problems with Halo 2. And believe me, H2 was very broken early on. Some things obviously can't be fixed unless it involves a serious redesign of gameplay elements, and we got those in Halo 3, but things like the cornercamping in L4D should be a very simple fix. They just seemed to never ever get around to it.

But if it's fixed now, then I'm very happy. I'll try it out again as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 04, 2009, 02:03:37 am
how serious was this? I bought L4d at launch and it served me and my online friends well for many tens of hours. I think I got my money's worth, for ONCE buying a PC game... perhaps for the uber-elite that finish any map on the highest difficulty with just the pistols, the exploit was game-breaking.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 04, 2009, 02:12:30 am
Only problem I have is that L4D got generally great reviews, but always with the tag, "a very small game that will hopefully see expansions to lengthen it". And that was very true. The game is so small the whole thing can be completed in a few hours(on your very first playthrough). Luckily the AI system allows you to play through quite a few times with totally different experiences, which was fun... but the SAME small levels got boring fast. If Valve had perhaps released a larger game I wouldn't feel this way, but it almost feels as though they sold half a game, and I was hoping they'd eventually release the other half. They most likely still will(or so they said), but now I feel like they're going to be putting more effort into the sequel.

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how serious was this? I bought L4d at launch and it served me and my online friends well for many tens of hours. I think I got my money's worth, for ONCE buying a PC game... perhaps for the uber-elite that finish any map on the highest difficulty with just the pistols, the exploit was game-breaking.
I think it's mainly a problem for those who play random matches. When you play with friends you're in a much more controlled environment because after all... they're friends. However, random matches yield many bug abusers and such that can really ruin matches. These sort of tactics were very widespread online.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on June 04, 2009, 03:12:50 pm
Normally I'm of the "pay for what's in the box" mentality, but Valve promised to offer bug and content updates for L4D, referencing the support they've given to TF2. I hope they don't consider the one tiny level they recently released to be a fulfillment of that promise, especially considering the extensive updates they've given to TF2. As long as they continue to fix bugs and maybe add a campaign for L4D, I don't care what they do with the sequel. Make it a "horror" game in broad daylight with frying pans and fiddle music for all I care... oh wait.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on June 04, 2009, 08:50:15 pm
It was a pretty big problem when playing on Expert with random crowds. I unfortunately didn't have enough friends online at the same time as I was when I wanted to play it. At its worst, a game would consist of me finding a game, everyone agreeing on playing on Expert, going through a level like normal until a crescendo event - the machinegun room in the first campaign and the hospital elevator being particular favorites - where suddenly all the other players would initiate the event with zero preparation then huddle down in a corner and tape their melee buttons down.

A few times I was joined by another sane person who sometimes managed to convince the others to play normally, or sometimes cause them to end up dying, which of course meant we all failed. I'm cool with dying, that's why I wanna play on Expert. Apparently most other players aren't. A particular scenario I remember involved three people hopping into a corner by the elevator in the hospital, and after someone demanded I join in and I refused to, explaining that I want the game to be a challenge, he set me on fire with a molotov.

Short story shorter, it got to the point where a lot of players apparently considered the offenders to be the ones who tried to play the game as intended, instead of relying 100% on the melee button during the parts that are supposed to be the hardest.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on June 04, 2009, 10:01:54 pm
Well honestly, I'd be wont to do the same thing in that situation, deliberately eschewing intelligent strategy based on some misguided ideal of how the game should be played is the kind of thing best saved for anything other than co-op games. A player going off on his own like that is usually a tell of a griefer to some degree.

Also there's this here, if anyone wants to play with me or be my friend <3 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197982055955)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: xhunterko on June 04, 2009, 10:14:15 pm
That sounds alot like campers in Halo 3. All I want to do is take a rocket launcher or several stickys to them. I die before anything happens though. When people are of that mindset it doesn't matter what crutch they think they have to use to help them "win" the game. There is no convincing or surprising them. They just think they're good because they "win" all the time. The real winners are those that are successful and conquer the game as it was intended. Everyone else just sucks and found a shortcut. I suck, but at least I try to win the good way. All I try to do is at least score once. Then I can get blown apart and die for the rest of the game. The reason is when I kill you, and I suck, it doesn't matter how many kills you had before hand. It mean's yoru straight back to zero and have to kill me again. Otherwise your gonna let a sucky player beat you. And ya, some of them do play like that. That's why I like playing with "real" players.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 04, 2009, 10:40:27 pm
Yes pretty much all I can say is play L4D with friends only, Rox. It's not that difficult to find 3 buddies online to play if you've been networking even a little over in publics for a while. One tends to create a userlist of sane, friendly people pretty fast.

I am not saying LOL GET FRIENDS LOL to insult you. Just letting you know that whatever game L4D2 turns out to be, it will not be griefer-proof and you'll still be getting killed by people not respecting your time in the game. Co-op games need friends, not randomers.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on June 04, 2009, 10:52:29 pm
Co-op games need friends, not randomers.

Quoted for emphasis!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: tocky on June 05, 2009, 04:03:30 am
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/monkeyisland.jpg)

he looks like manning krull
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 05, 2009, 04:27:17 am
Normally I'm of the "pay for what's in the box" mentality, but Valve promised to offer bug and content updates for L4D, referencing the support they've given to TF2. I hope they don't consider the one tiny level they recently released to be a fulfillment of that promise, especially considering the extensive updates they've given to TF2. As long as they continue to fix bugs and maybe add a campaign for L4D, I don't care what they do with the sequel. Make it a "horror" game in broad daylight with frying pans and fiddle music for all I care... oh wait.
Sadly, I don't see much reason for them to expand on the original after the sequel is released(or even prior), as it would be counter-productive.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on June 05, 2009, 07:44:00 pm
Co-op games need friends, not randomers.

Quoted for emphasis!

Co-op fps with friends is the crown jewel of computer gaming. Screw everything  else. Even Tetris.

Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory was awesome because you HAD to co-op with randomers if you wished to get any points and upgrade yourself. Lonely wolves found themselves being not only lonely but very low level after a couple of maps.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 05, 2009, 07:54:03 pm
HI JJNAAS I FIXED YOUR AVATAR

(http://www.locustleaves.com/noband.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on June 05, 2009, 08:33:43 pm
HI JJNAAS I FIXED YOUR AVATAR

(http://www.locustleaves.com/noband.png)

That's awesome. The least I can do is return the favor:

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss178/jjnaas/helmkitty.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 05, 2009, 09:00:09 pm
teehee  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 06, 2009, 02:12:44 am
This Pocket Retro Emulator (http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/bd6f/) looks awesome, one of my friends is getting one and if the buttons have a nice feel I'll be getting one too.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 06, 2009, 02:42:54 am
Square design is so meh... it's the main reason I can't play my DS for more than half an hour -- cramps the hell out of my hand. Also, just be wary. You might want try to find an in-depth review that checks out compatibility and such.

Also, pity it doesn't support GB. I'm curious how they handle the many different resolutions, though. Should post your personal experience with it when you try it out, though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 06, 2009, 02:52:08 am
I have no problem with the shape, I've been wanting a GBmicro but this will be much better (hopefully)
And will do.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on June 06, 2009, 03:02:43 am
Hold off on buying that thing. It's actually just a black Dingoo A320, which is a chinese handheld with emulators preloaded. There are huge problems with it right now, but the user community is kinda growing, so it might turn out okay. Not the moment to buy it yet though.

SNES emulation is pretty awful for starters and "pressing Y and B at the same time doesn't work, we call this a feature"

So yeah, some great guy is porting Linux and it promises to be excellent to fix the awful standard emulators and such, but it's still miles away. Right now he's got the kernel loading and if you're a decent linux guy, you can get some games ported on it already, but it's going to take a while to get it working on all the different hardware versions.

I'm rambling. Point is, it's not good... yet.

I'm going to buy one though, once it matures a bit and still exists.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 06, 2009, 03:31:20 am
Aw that's a bummer, I checked out some reviews for the A320, and the buttons sound good though.
It looks like it has the power for the emulators to run at full speed, they were just rush jobs, once the community comes out with a nice snes emu I'll be buying I think
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on June 06, 2009, 03:21:47 pm
This message is to honor those men who gave their lives on June 6, 1944.
a message c'est honor l hommes qui donn eux vit one Juin 6, 1944.
Dit bericht moet die mensen eren die hun leven op 6 Juni, 1944 gaven.
Ten przekaz jest wobec honor w mężczyźni ktry dał ich żyje u Czerwiec 6, 1944.
Tato poselstvi a k ctt those clovek kdo kladvko jejich dobytek dle Červen 6, 1944.
Nyt kuluva asia on jotta kunnioittaa ne ihmiset joka kimmoisuus heidn model after Keskuu 6, 1944.
μήνυμα σε τιμή εκείνοι άντρεs ποιόs έδωσα δικό τουs ζωέs επάνω Ιούνιοs 6, 1944.

I apologize, I only speak English, Spanish and Italian, and so can only hope that the translations are correct.  Moderators please make spelling changes if necessary.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on June 06, 2009, 03:49:06 pm
Aw that's a bummer, I checked out some reviews for the A320, and the buttons sound good though.
It looks like it has the power for the emulators to run at full speed, they were just rush jobs, once the community comes out with a nice snes emu I'll be buying I think

Apparently the look, feel and insides of the hardware are perfect, so yeah, here's hoping the userbase gets it fixed up good. I want one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 07, 2009, 01:19:38 am
I flipped a page from my sketchbook today to find what I've been suspecting - that my drawings slant. It looks like someone stretches the top right corner of some drawings up. Here (http://www.lolipopsicle.com/linky/flip.jpg) you can see it on some of the faces, specifically the portrait, armored goblin, and bald dude. It's flipped so I could see it.

It's kind of embarrassing to think that I've been oblivious to what must be obvious to most people.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on June 07, 2009, 02:43:11 am
It isn't terribly obvious to me. If you hadn't pointed it out I probably wouldn't have noticed.

Actually. I just flipped it again and it looked way more skewed. Very weird...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 07, 2009, 04:19:42 am
Atnas most artists I know naturally tend to draw with a slant. It's something that always must be fought against but the fact that you are able to recognize it is a good thing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 07, 2009, 04:23:00 am
Aren't most artists oblivious to the flaws in their own pieces, hence why external critique is such a good thing? I don't see what's embarrassing about that :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 07, 2009, 01:30:14 pm
Thanks guys. :3 I'm really glad I realized this, it is a good thing.

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on June 07, 2009, 08:03:58 pm
You are not alone!111111 My drawings slant so much it's not even remotely fun! Goddamnit. Sadness. Drawing things like faces from the front is more or less impossible for me, it just seems to be embedded in my pen/cil strokes or something! It's horrible.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 07, 2009, 11:38:26 pm
Anyone seen the new trailer for Brutal Legend? It's Tim Schaefer's(DOTT, Full Throttle, Psychonauts, and more) new game and it looks pretty hilarious. I'm not a big fan of Jack Black or Heavy Metal so I wasn't sure what to think of this, but the new trailer won me over. I had a look through a gameplay video, and although it looks a bit underwhelming, I've found I can count on the story/humour/characters of a Tim Schaefer game to carry me through any lackluster gameplay issues. Hopefully it ends up on Steam at some point at a similar price point as Psychonauts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5sa2KLpW84
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on June 09, 2009, 12:00:46 pm
flixel (http://flixel.org/), AdamAtomic's actionscript library has been released, along with a new game Mode (http://www.adamatomic.com/mode/).

My highscore is 6050. It beat me down bad.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on June 09, 2009, 04:42:16 pm
I slant alllll the time.  Actually, what I usually do (which is probably bad) is I unconsciously tilt my drawing surface so it straightens out.  Also I have a crooked personality  ;D :D :-X
lol @ jjnaas and helm.  That would be a good activity.  And JJNaas' av was bugging me, I like helms edit.  And I like teh noms.

Shrike
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on June 10, 2009, 03:32:19 am
I tilt more than I slant.  When the page is rotated counter-clockwise (about 5-10 degrees usually), things are generally in OK proportion.  It's a similar problem though and hell when working in a frame...

in my sketchbook things like buildings and characters (anything which needs to hit the ground solid) almost always have a cross added after the initial sketching that shows the drawing's orientation (usually like i said a few degrees behind the page).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 10, 2009, 06:43:23 am
26 new episodes of Futurama are coming. (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/06/its-official-futurama-returns.html?cnn=yes)

 !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on June 10, 2009, 08:30:57 am
Yay!!!!! We're watching Futurama series third time with my wife at the moment, so this is happy news :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on June 10, 2009, 08:32:56 am
Awesome  ;D
I hope it is as good as it used to be.
The movies were fine, but I guess the format wasn't the best for Futurama.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 10, 2009, 10:08:51 am
Yeah, the movies weren't quite as good as the show, I think it mainly came down to the format, but it seemed like they were testing the market and I have no problem supporting them.

Hopefully this time the show sticks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on June 16, 2009, 06:28:05 pm
I figured it's about time I took a real initiative to improve my drawing skills, and I thought I'd ask here if anyone knows any good resources online or offline. My skills right now aren't completely non-existant, but I don't quite know if there's somewhere preferable I should start. I dunno, general advice always help, so if anyone got any ideas, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 17, 2009, 07:34:30 pm
I'm not sure of your age, but to start off try "Fun With a Pencil" by Andrew Loomis. You can't find it in stores, but there's a billion people hosting it and his other books online now. FWAP is Loomis' first book and doesn't go into much detail on correct human anatomy and the stuff comes across as pretty cartoony. The point of the book is to get you thinking of the body as 3d dimensional shapes. My first time through I sort of glanced at a couple pages, drew some stuff and then headed onto the next book because it had all the anatomy stuff I wanted. I only realised recently that I really missed the point and I've since gone back to FWAP. There's probably some good info to be found in the Official Anatomy thread so have a look there if you haven't.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on June 17, 2009, 08:22:51 pm
I'm 22, I'll check out the book if I can find it. I've been trying before to study anatomy and drawing it, but I believe I could benefit more from it if I knew more "basic techniques", sorta (Guess I'm a bit afraid of starting in the wrong place). So yeah, starting from the bottom and going up. I lurk alot and read all new threads and replies, so I'm familiar with that thread, it's a good one :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 18, 2009, 12:04:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2klX-puUU

Great animation.  ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on June 18, 2009, 05:50:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2klX-puUU

Great animation.  ;D

Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on June 18, 2009, 08:46:28 pm
Going to be heading out for a while probably. I'm going to miss you guys. Keep pixelling!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 18, 2009, 09:35:27 pm
I'm 22, I'll check out the book if I can find it. I've been trying before to study anatomy and drawing it, but I believe I could benefit more from it if I knew more "basic techniques", sorta (Guess I'm a bit afraid of starting in the wrong place). So yeah, starting from the bottom and going up. I lurk alot and read all new threads and replies, so I'm familiar with that thread, it's a good one :)
Cool, I'm the same age. I've had the same desire since last summer to really learn the basics, so I've kinda shelved the pixels and been concentrating on my pencils. The Loomis series is really great for that and I enjoy them a lot. If you aren't already checking it out, conceptart.org has a fantastic atmosphere for artists looking to improve. If you want to PM me your email I'll send you some links to art threads and articles I've found interesting. It's got some book recommendations as well.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on June 19, 2009, 07:43:46 am
http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html

Damnit, where's the :headexplode: smiley?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 19, 2009, 12:42:39 pm
:0#
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 19, 2009, 01:07:25 pm
http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html

Damnit, where's the :headexplode: smiley?

Nevermind that, where's the Dick Cheney figure with the spring-loaded gun that fires real birdshot, and the Guantanimo Bay Action Playset?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Argyle on June 19, 2009, 03:24:41 pm
Ahahaha just came across this.

Garfield Minus Garfield (http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/)

(http://15.media.tumblr.com/fSymsOGXOo1lumpvPq2eNVLSo1_500.png)

Garfield Minus Garfield is a site dedicated to removing Garfield from the Garfield comic strips in order to reveal the existential angst of a certain young Mr. Jon Arbuckle. It is a journey deep into the mind of an isolated young everyman as he fights a losing battle against loneliness and depression in a quiet American suburb.


I have always found the Garfield comics pretty depressing but couldn't quite pinpoint the source directly at John.  This confirms it.  Garfield is just the fat lasagna fiending apparition that haunts his mind as reality.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on June 19, 2009, 04:17:53 pm
Garfield Minus Garfield is almost as telling as the Nietzsche Family Circus:

http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Colonel Mustard on June 19, 2009, 11:04:50 pm
I'm 22, I'll check out the book if I can find it. I've been trying before to study anatomy and drawing it, but I believe I could benefit more from it if I knew more "basic techniques", sorta (Guess I'm a bit afraid of starting in the wrong place). So yeah, starting from the bottom and going up. I lurk alot and read all new threads and replies, so I'm familiar with that thread, it's a good one :)
Cool, I'm the same age. I've had the same desire since last summer to really learn the basics, so I've kinda shelved the pixels and been concentrating on my pencils. The Loomis series is really great for that and I enjoy them a lot. If you aren't already checking it out, conceptart.org has a fantastic atmosphere for artists looking to improve. If you want to PM me your email I'll send you some links to art threads and articles I've found interesting. It's got some book recommendations as well.

Long time reader at Conceptart.org, it's an amazing site filled with not only skilled people, but nice people too. If you have time to email me those links that'd be fantastic, I'll send you my email.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 22, 2009, 04:35:56 pm
Neat app for changing your Windows bootscreen (http://www.stardock.com/products/bootskin/downloads.asp)

XP only allows for a 16 colour 640x480 image, so it's a good opportunity to display some pixel art
Pretty simple too, all I did was paste my image over C:\Program Files\Stardock\WinCustomize\BootSkin\skins\TimeWarp\warp.bmp, run the app and select the warp theme.
You can create your own themes but that's the easy/lazy way to do it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 22, 2009, 05:55:26 pm
Sadly, it seems as though Windows will resize that image with bilinear filtering, which will just blur it. At least, that's what my windows logo looks like when my XP boots up.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 22, 2009, 06:22:16 pm
Is your image 640x480?
Mine isn't stretched or anything, and I'd assume if you used a smaller image it would just be given black borders.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on June 22, 2009, 10:13:08 pm
I'm finally 18! Ahh, strong alchoholic beverages, drugs, drivers liscence. Thousands of new ways to potentially kill myself!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Argyle on June 23, 2009, 02:32:21 am
Happy birthday, Opacus!  You only get one more landmark age birthday in your life that gives you more 'liberties', then after that they're the stereotypical closer to death ones.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on June 23, 2009, 06:12:54 am
HI JJNAAS I FIXED YOUR AVATAR

(http://www.locustleaves.com/noband.png)

That's awesome. The least I can do is return the favor:

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss178/jjnaas/helmkitty.png)

These two made me laugh-snort-cry and should be immortalized somewhere. Also we finally have an Xbox360 of our own with GoW 1&2. Same username as here. Feel free to pwn me, but if my Su is playing too be sure to fall down and pretend she got you or she'll stop playing with me, and whatever you do don't run away - or move around much, she still gets dizzy watching FPS games. >_<

Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Opacus - but what landmark birthday comes after 18 with more liberties when he's already got booze & cars? A mid-life crisis one someplace?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Argyle on June 23, 2009, 06:25:46 am
Well I suppose it only applies as an American, when they let you accrue your very own alcohol legally at 21.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 23, 2009, 08:34:47 pm
hi my name is clement and Im a linux

Ubuntu Studio is great. Going to have to get used to the GIMP or use Wine and GG for pixel art, though.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on June 24, 2009, 01:32:53 am
One more person in the world capable of buying and enjoying a drink.  One thing i wish i'd done was start with good drinks rather than like...PBR and Smirnoff.  I personally recommend Laphroaig single-malt whisky for price and quality, get like a $30 bottle and share the love with some good friends.  Oh and: Please become an 'adult' responsibly :P.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on June 24, 2009, 01:18:04 pm
You can do a lot worse than PBR and Smirnoff. :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Doppleganger on June 24, 2009, 01:51:51 pm
Here here to that!

Natty Ice, Blatz, Hamms, and Steel Reserve make for much worse beers. Skol and Fleischmann's are just 2 of the many appaling vodkas out there.

But, if you don't experience shit beer and liquour, how can you appreciate the good stuff?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 24, 2009, 01:53:12 pm
went to an irresponsibly late showing on Transformers 2 last night.
It was cool... I think I liked it... the first one had more charm though. There are some absolutely amazing fights in the new one and the robots got more dialogue/story. Also Shia LeBouf and his ridiculous parents are still great. But the twins (whatever their names are) will annoy the crap out of you, they're not funny and actually pretty racist. Also Megan Fox can not act, to the point where I feel bad for her. For 90% of the film she looks and talks like she's advertising a 1-900 number. Some of her lines made my sphincter clench. On the Sequel-O-Meter I'd say it's closer to Ghostbusters 2 than Empire Strikes Back.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on June 24, 2009, 02:11:24 pm
I saw Megan Fox recently in whatchamacallit, How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, and then saw Transformers. It is probably the characters I've seen her as (people keep giving her the bitch to play?) or what, but for me she came off with no personal charisma - raw sex only. I really don't see why people compare her to Jolie - Jolie still comes across as very soft at points, even in her hard flicks.

Hoping the new fight scenes in Transformers 2 will be more readable than the last. I loved it til halfway through, then couldn't work out which robot was which for all the metal bits mashing together. And the ending, with Sam moving backwards away from whosname, his back towards wassname, then suddenly the camera angle changes and he twists around but you don't see him twisting and then he's doing something with his back towards whosname and facing wassname and you're going "Who did what now for why now!?" and walk out of the cinema thinking it was nonsensical self-sacrifice, not murder! @_@
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 24, 2009, 02:42:14 pm
The first half of the sequel is much more read-able... there is an AMAZING fight in a new england forest. it devolves back into visual anarchy later on.

Megan Fox seems to sedated to even be that sexy. Most of the time she seems to be on horse tranquilizers.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on June 24, 2009, 05:10:14 pm
In college, the standard vodka was Vladimir, which cost about $9.50 USD for a half-gallon. Then my friends and I found you could save a bit of money by getting Crown Russe for $9.00. Remembering those days makes my liver shudder.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on June 24, 2009, 07:11:01 pm
Well, I shrewdly avoided contact with college, yes that's right I'm an unlearned hack, but regardless of my missing college alchohol education I'd say my evolution of a-juice is going well. Can't do liquor anymore, currently it's just me and ol' george killian. I think we're a good team.



And I can't post w/o a random spam image, screw descriptions, it's for a game surprise surprise
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4250/miniscrollsplash.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 25, 2009, 02:38:49 am
You shrewdly avoided massive piles of debt, STDs, and abominably crappy beer as well. Your loss.

I thought that was a submarine at first and was a little disappointed to realize it's actually a spaceship. But it still looks awesome!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on June 25, 2009, 03:08:10 am
The first half of the sequel is much more read-able... there is an AMAZING fight in a new england forest. it devolves back into visual anarchy later on.

Megan Fox seems to sedated to even be that sexy. Most of the time she seems to be on horse tranquilizers.

We were wondering if it'd be easier to make sense of it if we see it in Imax. Even the reviewers on TV this morning were saying they walked out of the new one with no idea what was going on.

Re Megan, I think that might be the marijuana she keeps advocating.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Panda on June 25, 2009, 10:27:05 am
This is what I've done after waking up:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6519/builtinbag.png)

Built inside the bags without opening them :B 
Wheee
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Batzy on June 25, 2009, 11:15:55 am
ARRGHH... This is just too much for me  :'( I bought a new monitor today (BenQ T221Wa (22")) When i threw my old monitor away i figured out that my computer had been maybe 10x slower than now dunno what's going on anyone ???
Btw. Got this new monitor for 40$ must say that it's fucking awesome  :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on June 25, 2009, 02:24:30 pm
Built inside the bags without opening them :B 
Wheee

Haha that's an interesting activity, what inspired that?

Also i enjoy a good cider now and again.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on June 25, 2009, 04:47:09 pm
You shrewdly avoided massive piles of debt, STDs, and abominably crappy beer as well. Your loss.

I thought that was a submarine at first and was a little disappointed to realize it's actually a spaceship. But it still looks awesome!

Hehe. Darn!

(yeah . . . the ship design was done by the other art guy. but the in-game sprite looked cool because it would rotate and twist and stuff)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Feron on June 26, 2009, 12:14:12 am
im all about the scotch.  as far as beers are concered can't go wrong with nice britsh bitter or ale.


Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on June 26, 2009, 12:26:27 am
This is what I've done after waking up:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6519/builtinbag.png)

Built inside the bags without opening them :B 
Wheee

NRFB! NRFB!!!!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 26, 2009, 12:53:14 am
my adventure with linux was somewhat short lived. gotta have my proprietary software :3
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on June 26, 2009, 06:31:50 am
i liek Quake. esp Q1
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on June 26, 2009, 07:00:12 am
I liek Q1 too. Actually, trivia, Quake 2 was not supposed to be a sequel to Quake but they did not bother about thinking of a new name and in the end thought it would probably be good to just call it Quake 2, although it is not canonical AT ALL.
I guess neither is Q3A really.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 26, 2009, 08:53:42 am
Quake 1 has that Doomish occult aspect, which is basically the result of texan metalheads making stuff they thought would be 'cool' and a bit offensive, whereas Q2 goes into a sorta sci-fi plot direction which is ridiculous. Q3 is an arena game, inexplicably, and I haven't played Quake Wars nor do I intend to.

The first Quake has an odd charm. The rest never appeled to me. More of a UT guy, for multiplayer fpses of the time.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on June 26, 2009, 09:46:46 am
Don't forget Quake 4 which basically is a direct sequel to Quake 2, same setting with the Stroggs and such.
I have not played Quake Wars, but I heard it is good fun. It is apperantly kinda like Battlefield, only much more arcady with fast running and such.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on June 26, 2009, 10:14:33 am
I like Q1 a lot too. I think it looks best without any smoothing of the low res textures. The dark Gothic architecture mixed with Lovecraftian and Satanic themes works. The pace is fast and the monsters are relentless. The monsters really try to kill you, they don't waste any of their time showing off, going through scripted sequences like "ROOAARRR (Fog horn) I'm gonna start chasing you after I've done a bit of scripted roaring ROARR!!" The multiplayer was insanely fast and 100% skill and reflex based.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on June 26, 2009, 10:34:37 am
I didn't know Quake 4 even existed. Was it done by Raven? I don't like their games.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on June 26, 2009, 12:04:25 pm
Well, there goes Michael Jackson. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31552029/ns/entertainment-music/)
I wasn't old enough to see him rise to fame, but I know I only bought his music as a kid.
Always felt sorry for the kids who didn't get to see him before all his problems and controversy when he was the coolest mother fucker alive, at least now he'll be remembered in a much more respectful way.


I think he'll join the ranks of elvis and tupac with death conspiracies and the like btw.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on June 26, 2009, 03:59:11 pm
I didn't know Quake 4 even existed. Was it done by Raven? I don't like their games.

Yah, Raven indeed.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 26, 2009, 04:06:21 pm
Quake 1 is great, it's one of my favorite PC games. Theres a solid atmosphere and feel to it not present in most modern first person shooters.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on June 26, 2009, 04:33:25 pm
I remember playing Quake at one of my old friend's house when I was young. Along with Chex Quest. Fond memories.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on June 26, 2009, 10:55:39 pm
Michael Jackson, for several years, was quite possibly the coolest human being on earth. Then came the marriage to Elvis' daughter, plastic surgery, and molestation scandals. It all went steadily downhill after that. I still have fond childhood memories of the man

Anyone want to do some online Quake 1/2/3? I've never taken the games seriously, so I'm absolute trash compared to the more dedicated players, but I do have fun playing casually.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on June 27, 2009, 01:39:25 am
My incessant "yeah, but unlike the Wii we have, the xbox..." + co-op comments resulted in the missus deciding we'd get one, and despite her motion sickness during Halo which I thought was improving, we picked up the Gears of War pack...

Dear lord, what is wrong with programmers these days? It sticks you with a over-the-right-hand shoulder view and if you press the RUN button, it sticks your head in the ground - still on the right somewhere - so that every pebble near the guy JOLTS your perspective. Or something. And the constant bouncing as he runs! EGADS! Even the movies know better than to have the invisible-bouncing-camera-man-squad-mate perspective the ENTIRE way through a movie.

Sadly it made all too clear our tv is too small for co-op >.< can't read the text when it says "press this button to live."
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on June 27, 2009, 01:43:27 am
The Orphan Bill again
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=145485
I feel conceptart is one of those spots of the internet like pixelation which justify that the internet has value. I just noticed our pals at CA seem to be really worried about the orphan bill...and believe it will pass because it benefits corporations and they have the money leverage.

They are putting all of their resources to make a searchable art registry spot for their users...and that makes me think about all our pixelart here, but specially over at pixeljoint.....should WE make some advances so that we are prepared for it too?

I have a hard time believing this because if its true it makes me feel like it reeks of facism o.o
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on June 27, 2009, 02:19:52 am
The whole orphan bill completely situation is overblown, especially here in the states. It seems most of the artists who are frothing-at-the-mouth against it are almost entirely ignorant of what the bill actually stipulates, and how it affects current copyright law. deviantArt had an particularly farcical campaign that convinced artists and photographers that orphan works would stomp their puppies and rape their daughters if it came to pass.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on June 27, 2009, 02:18:57 pm
Better if it's overblown rather than ignored. I don't like it at all, it makes me rather pissed that something I make for myself wouldn't inherently mine from the get-go. And if it is passed, what's next? It has the possibility of opening the way for a bill to be presented referring to unregistered property. Will we have to register all of our material property for it to be ours? Because that's basically what it is, I don't see the reasoning of not going further if this is passed. If you don't have records of anything of your own, it isn't yours. It's going too far on so many levels.

If I'm overblowing it, it doesn't matter, because I don't agree with its most basic stipulation.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Cow on June 28, 2009, 04:48:21 am
Graduated from highschool yesterday, did some irresponsible things last night, back to the internet this night. I'd be up for some Quaking if you need some cannon fodder but last time I checked I was really bad at that game. :( Played through a couple single player episodes recently actually.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on June 29, 2009, 01:45:34 pm
From what I understand of this bill it basically intends to victimize the copyright infringer. Ridiculous. I think the thing that bothers me most about it is that it's clearly pandering to large corporations who want to be able to steal stuff without fear of lawsuits, while preventing their own assets from being likewise stolen. It'd basically be grabbing the bollocks of every independant artist/studio and giving them a good sharp twist. :blind:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ndchristie on June 29, 2009, 02:34:51 pm
From what I understand it's referring mostly still to orphaned works, which demand that the work's creator be difficult to identify (i.e., should you put your name on things, theres' no issue).  We might see a resurgence of the big and obnoxious corner signature, but I would need to see how this applies to things before I torch the capitol.  For instance, is posting an image that you've made under a username that links directly to your personal information an orphaned work? (i.e. how difficult does finding the owner need to be before it's actually considered "difficult"? the text of the bill (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-2913) implies that there's actually quite a bit they must do to prove that the work is unidentifiable)

I think the idea that it would allow companies to destroy minor commercial artists is foolish in the sense that a minor commercial artist would be all over their own works and not go posting them without the appropriate information.  The potential problem - that the corporation might be able to step on him and ignore any small suits he files - has always been true and does not change with this.  The fact that the corporation is innocent until proven guilty of the theft is constitutionally sound, although it is impractical and certainly does impact the rights and protections of the original owner.  It also looks like a lot of additional paperwork on the side of the infringer (the owner needing only to provide his name, address, and a few quick points of description), meaning that anything the company takes seriously will be rushed ever-more-quickly to an out-of-court settlement.  Not to mention - how awkward is it for a company to put a label on an advertisement that says "we don't actually own this image and we don't even really know who does." ?  It's like CNN's big unverified story sticker that made everyone laugh and cry at the same time.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on June 30, 2009, 03:48:22 am
I will now heroically contribute to this pertinent conversation. This is the solution we seek (http://www.maniacworld.com/AutoTune-the-Ninja-Terminator.html).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Doppleganger on June 30, 2009, 02:36:29 pm
lol

that's priceless, Mathias!


As far as the Orphan Bill goes, I agree with Atnas in that it infringes on basic liberties. Even if that infringement is rudimentary at best, I still have a hard time wanting to abandon any rights I may have. Why should others be entitled the privilege to use my work under obscure circumstances? I haven't read the bill since its first conception, and don't have the desire to do so again but, what I walked away with that time seems to be the case still.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on July 01, 2009, 02:31:42 am
I will now heroically contribute to this pertinent conversation. This is the solution we seek (http://www.maniacworld.com/AutoTune-the-Ninja-Terminator.html).

That made me sad. Who randomly stabs crabs for tv? Sniffle.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on July 03, 2009, 02:51:51 am
I don't know who here visits newgrounds but they now have a pixel-art section:
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/category/pixel-art
Let's get in there and clean it up!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on July 03, 2009, 02:19:25 pm
Youtube pixelart section in 5, 4, 3...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dr D on July 03, 2009, 07:43:24 pm
I actually like that some of these sites are creating sections for Pixel Art. It's getting us more recognized across the internet, is it not? Thus I'd like to think that Pixel Art is prospering instead of dying.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on July 04, 2009, 06:57:07 am
My brother and one of my best friends and I have this cover band where we do country, rock, and pop covers, and tonight we learned a bunch of new songs for practice. Some Pink Floyd, a Distillers song, "Someday" by the Strokes, just kinda for shits and giggles, and we can pull it off exactly like the recording--it's a not very complex band and it's not a very complex song. But yeah, we were mostly just messing around and having fun. My brother and I  taking our mind of things.
You see, early this morning my grandma on my mom's side died. Everybody in the family has been expecting her to be dead for years already. Cancer. She was a machine though, I swear. But it wasn't a very big surprise. All the family was at my place today--everybody going through old photo albums of her and discussing the good times. It's a big family--7 kids. But yeah, it was getting late, everybody had gone home, but we were still practicing, and my mom came to tell us she was going to bed, and that she had a long day. So we were like, let us play a song for you, we've learned some new ones. She says sure and listens. And we play the Strokes. And we just fucking nail it. Not a single note out of place. It was completely crystal perfect. The most soul and heart I ever put into a performance ever. Ever. And somewhere during the middle of the song I glance up and my mom is teary eyed, and my brother and my friend both saw it too, and they gave it their all. We played as a perfect unit, and I felt every lyric sting from my soul, nearly teary eyed myself. We keep playing, and I look up again and my mom is just sobbing, turned away from us.  She lost her mother. She works hard for 40 hours a week at this factory that's going out of business. And it's a wonder that my parents have been able to stay together for more than twenty years. Every lyrics struck a chord for her.  I don't think anybody in the room will forget this evening, or this song. All said, my grandma had a good life.

If I didn't have a headache right now, I could describe this more accurately. But it was the most magical, celebratory, perfect song for the day.
I want to say though, if you think all pop music is just about money, you're wrong.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on July 04, 2009, 08:07:11 am
Glad you could give her that.

I don't care if it's not appropriate, I'm passing on giant hugs and birdie snuggles (and the snuggles of my birdies are awesome) to your mum.

*looks up the song*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dr D on July 04, 2009, 08:08:32 am
Sorry about your grandma.

My grandma (on my mom's side as well) was diagnosed with lung cancer, just a few days ago, as well. Yeah it's sad. We're going to see her (she lives in a different county - Germany) soon. She doesn't know she has it yet.

I'm glad you were able to have such a nice and memorable day, on that day, though. Sure your grandma would have been proud.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on July 04, 2009, 08:11:58 am
I like that song. The Strokes are really great for a pop band or whatever.

Sorry to hear about your grandmother. :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on July 04, 2009, 10:53:23 am
My condolences, Rydin.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Shrike on July 04, 2009, 09:15:12 pm
That's touching, Rydin.  I...  it sounds like..  a nice end to a day.  Relatively, at least.

(For those of you who are Mario fans, please enjoy a remix I made for a friend: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/252415 )
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on July 05, 2009, 06:28:06 am
Thank you guys.  Sorry to be the downer in the off-topic though!

Happy Fourth of July! *insert fireworks here*  ;D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: saimo on July 05, 2009, 12:46:56 pm
Hello pixellers!

I'm here to present you a finished game of mine which might be interesting to you for a number of reasons.
The first and foremost is that, even if it targets PCs (AmigaOS, AROS, Linux, MacOS and Windows), the game is totally oriented to pixel art: it uses a resolution of 320x240 and allows anybody to create his/her own graphics.
More precisely, the game is based on themes, which allow to redefine the audio/visual aspect in every detail. Making a theme is very easy: it all boils down to creating a directory and putting there the custom data files (f.ex. the tiles bitmap). The full instructions can be found in the freely downloadable developer's manual (http://www.bohthegame.com/downloads/developer's_manual.pdf) in PDF format.

To give you a quick idea, I'll shortly illustrate the 7 themes I made myself:
 * the theme "default" presents a military/sci-fi scenario;
 * the theme "warm" is basically the same as "default", with just minor graphical variations;
 * the theme "C64" is the theme "default" re-drawn using only the C64 colors and with a C64-evoking interface;
 * the theme "castle" changes things radically and takes the action to a medieval/fantasy setting;
 * the theme "vectors" again changes everything, as it is inspired by vectorial graphics;
 * the theme "underground" has a military/cave setting;
 * the theme "pyramid" transports the player to the ancient Egypt times.

(http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-C64-1T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-castle-1T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-default-1T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-pyramid-2T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-underground-1T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-vectors-1T.png) (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/screenshot-warm-3T.png)

I decided to present the game here because:
 * I'm sure that, unlike most of today's gamers, you won't be scared away by the low resolution;
 * I hope that somebody will have fun with fiddling around with themes (that would be a way to share the passion I put into the game);
 * it would be great if more themes were made by others;
 * I'd love to see what real artists can make out of my game;
 * I'm trying to build a small, creative community around the project;
 * of shameless advertising :P

I also have to state clearly that the game does not come for free, as it's a commercial product (but the demo doesn't put any restriction on themes, so it can be used for development).

If you are interested or just curious, you can see/try the game for yourself at http://www.bohthegame.com, where, besides the developer's manual and the demo, you can find plenty of other information, screenshots, videos and more.

Finally, big thanks to all the moderators for allowing me to make this announcement on Pixelation! :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: eckered on July 06, 2009, 05:17:28 am
my life currently sucks.
my girlfriend of over a year and a half, who i loved dearly, cheated on me with three guys on the fourth of july. 
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on July 06, 2009, 05:29:08 am
Whoa. If at the same time... that's... well, golly. It sounds so unreal that my initial response was, well, -  I couldn't find any non-offensive way to indicate you might have been welcome too. :/

Condolences on the suckage, but at least you have the clearest signal possible that she wasn't the one for you! :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on July 06, 2009, 09:19:41 am
Three guys at once? Man, are you sure? Sounds like a joke. Not a good one  :ouch:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on July 06, 2009, 09:37:30 am
my life currently sucks.
my girlfriend of over a year and a half, who i loved dearly, cheated on me with three guys on the fourth of july. 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on July 06, 2009, 01:59:29 pm
.__________________________________.

well


(looks fantastic, Saimo!)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: saimo on July 06, 2009, 02:55:22 pm
(looks fantastic, Saimo!)
Thanks, I'm glad you like it :)
Interested in making a theme? :D

(eckered, you have my sympathies... I know it's hard, but seize the chance to strengthen yourself and become a better man ;))
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on July 06, 2009, 04:07:23 pm
my life currently sucks.
my girlfriend of over a year and a half, who i loved dearly, cheated on me with three guys on the fourth of july. 

Sorry 'bout that. If you take her back, there will be no trust. It would require something very drastic like both of you quitting parties/drinking.


Saimo, I'm going to give your game a try when I get a chance. Might be a few weeks, but when I do I'll try and have some useful feedback for you.


The mystery of the tangrams resolved
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/914/tangramsbehavingbadly.png)

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: saimo on July 06, 2009, 04:10:42 pm
Saimo, I'm going to give your game a try when I get a chance. Might be a few weeks, but when I do I'll try and have some useful feedback for you.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: eckered on July 06, 2009, 04:41:55 pm
for those interested, i found out that her excuse wasnt even valid, because she cheated before her excuse even happened, so she just cheated on me because she had nothing better to do :/

i dont really care though, so i made some pixel art >.> 
go crittack, guys!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on July 07, 2009, 06:49:02 pm
I haven't been bothered to have a TV for a couple of years. Now I'm spending a few days at my parents' place and the TV is on and I find it totally ridiculous! There's all kinds of programs and movies and what have you on it and you have no control at all regarding what it plays and when! It just plays some random stuff on its own on different channels and you just need to be there or at least you need to know when something's on if you want to record it. It's baffling.

So, no thanks. Too last century to my liking.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on July 07, 2009, 07:28:36 pm
Well, you do realize that a TV is just a monitor, right? It's pretty versatile since you can watch DVD's on it, play video games and when all else fails you can do this (http://i30.tinypic.com/65r68x.jpg).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on July 07, 2009, 08:16:43 pm
Well, you do realize that a TV is just a monitor, right? It's pretty versatile since you can watch DVD's on it, play video games and when all else fails you can do this (http://i30.tinypic.com/65r68x.jpg).

I've got the monitor for watching DVDs and playing on consoles, but I don't have the digital box thingie that delivers TV-channels. Anyway, sports, yeah, I guess it'd be good for that. I like the Olympics but don't really care for the rest. I secretly enjoy if Finland loses to Sweden in ice hockey, at least it shuts up the hockey maniacs. The last time Finland won it was nothing but NONSTOP HOCKEYMANIA for a year. It drove me nuts.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on July 08, 2009, 11:59:08 am
TV does feel very primitive, the commercials are the main reason I very very rarely watch it at all, as far as I'm concerned it's only used to displaying my games and movies.


(http://i25.tinypic.com/1491a8z.jpg)
 :huh:
Why the hell do they do this, he was clearly just folding his arms for the photo, why the fuck do they have to photoshop arms in!?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on July 08, 2009, 01:38:54 pm
It's even got a Lens Flare!

Photoshop win, everyone!

TV totally sucks. The few good shows are better on DVD anyway since you can watch them in chunks or at your leisure and without commercials.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on July 08, 2009, 02:04:23 pm
I concur, TV totally blows. There are a few good channels here (like arte which do not have commercials), tho.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on July 08, 2009, 05:06:43 pm
Gamefly commercial(which consists of about 2 minutes of constant screaming) every 5 minutes...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ter-o on July 08, 2009, 06:08:01 pm
I've been playing the new Tales of Monkey Island by Telltale games and even when I'm a hardcore MI fan (thus pretty critical about any remakes and new versions of the ip) I must admit that I kinda like it! So far only thing that has bothered me is some of the artistic choises for the characters and I can't understand why all Telltale games are so lowpoly but all in all, it sounds and looks and feels really Monkey Islandish.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on July 08, 2009, 09:11:31 pm
Pff, TV. I haven't had any channels on mine since I moved here, a year and a half ago. The only thing I can say I really miss is accidently zapping past Simpsons reruns when I'm bored, and ye olde Discovery Channel. But of course, I'd stumble on both while trying to waste time, so the only thing they really do is help people waste time. I don't know, I'm kinda glad I can't do that anymore.

I'm less happy about my 360 still being broken, meaning I haven't even used said TV for many months...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on July 09, 2009, 07:02:36 am
does anyone know corel painter very well? I'm painting using pure black but on the canvas it's not pure black. it ends up reading about 28,28,28 even though painter says 0,0,0. but when i save as JPG it ends up as pure black. why does it look lighter on canvas?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on July 09, 2009, 08:05:38 am
Sounds like something wonky is happening with your gamma settings. I don't have a copy of Painter handy, but somewhere in the menus there is a wizard that lets you set up your color preferences.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on July 09, 2009, 08:45:54 am
Don't know much about that program, but perhaps you loaded some sort of color profile or such in the program?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Akira on July 09, 2009, 10:51:47 am
Are you in CYMK colour space? Or saving to CYMK colour space? I had a similar problem with photoshop.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on July 09, 2009, 07:27:23 pm
It could also be you use some impasto brushes, which add a mask over the image and makes it a little bit brighter.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on July 10, 2009, 11:02:50 am
http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/prado/

This is quite cool, It's basically super high resolution paintings using the google maps set up.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on July 11, 2009, 02:17:18 am
I've noticed quite a few images hosted on image shack have been redirected to display this:
(http://www.lolipopsicle.com/linky/Anti-sec.gif)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on July 11, 2009, 02:53:58 am
Imageshack got compromised by this anti-sec group, apparently due to the imageshack administrators not properly securing their servers.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on July 11, 2009, 11:29:14 am
Err yo I'm a stupid swede and I don't get their jargon.

What are they trying to say? @ __ @
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Post by: 32 on July 11, 2009, 11:57:50 am
I had to read through a couple of times, and It's still incredibly unclear but what I get from it is that they against publishing security holes OR against the people exploiting the holes, maybe both. They say that the security companies are publishing the security holes so that people will exploit them, in turn creating a need for their security programs. Although I don't know anything about this anti-sec movement I think this is specific to the hacking of image shack and just one of their agenda. Something like,
"we hacked this and caused you inconvenience because computer security companies are publishing security holes for profit, also BAD PEOPLE [guys exploiting the security holes] STOP BEING BAD"

I'm probably way off though.
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Post by: Helm on July 11, 2009, 12:59:40 pm
Seems to me that's pretty much it. As I understand it - perhaps I'm a bit cynical here - hacker groups use a facade of ideology in order to not have to write WE HACKED JOO LOL TAKE THAT. Some do though, I'm just saying those that don't, still are fuelled by the desire to be recognised for their skills by the wide public. The most important part of the hacking annoucement is always the part about 'what group' they are, then. The anti-sec group, in this case.
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Post by: Jad on July 11, 2009, 01:42:15 pm
Basically the guys who wrote this are so far up their own asses and jargon that they can't even get their point across. With that much text. Which is sad! Awright!

"Full-disclosure is the disclosure of exploits publicly - anywhere"

that's the explanation they offer as to what they're fighting against

exploits? Explain this shit to me man, what kind of exploits, in what context? If you're about SENDING A MESSAGE to the GENERAL PUBLIC then EXPLAIN IN TERMS THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS or you're just full of shit.

Apparently the INDUSTRY does this. To earn MONEY. And .. And .. I'm lost.

Whatever.

They should just've written HACKED j00 f00LS and drawn penises all over the image instead
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Post by: Atnas on July 11, 2009, 02:02:36 pm
It's not too incredibly full of jargon... The people they were targeting with this message should understand it. I think this was more of a message to try to get people from performing practices that they are set on destroying. A warning, I guess. Essentially, they're purist hackers who hack and don't tell. Their rules of engagement are blend in, trust no one, destroy everything, disclose nothing, and then get out without leaving a trace. They're against the "Whitehats" who are hackers who use their abilities to help the security industries, the people that publish their hacks. They call themselves "Blackhats", hackers who simply hack without the disclosure of their methods.

Plain english article that explains it pretty well

Quote from: http://www.examiner.com/x-12971-Houston-Legal-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d11-What-is-AntiSec-What-happend-to-ImageShack-overnight-Is-it-coming-to-town
Here’s the deal: Anti-Sec guys are apparently wholly against the idea of “full disclosure.” What’s that, you ask? According to the rogue group, it’s the security industry practice of making publicly available all security vulnerabilities in order to, as in the example above, enrich itself by selling yet more security software, firewalls, ad nauseum. But, so the gripe by Anti-Sec goes, by making public this security vulnerability information, “genuine” hackers can use it to further their malicious ways, thereby causing all us grief and to, well, buy more security and anti-virus software. It’d be like the United States government publishing top secret security vulnerabilities at nuclear power plants, thereby practically forcing us to buy their nuclear-proof spacesuits. That’s a far-fetched analogy, but you get the gist.
So the Anti-Sec Movement proposes – indeed, they promise -- to hack any and all such alleged perpetrators with its perceived impunity, ostensibly in order to stop the perps from “full disclosure.”

I don't really think there's a big facade of ideology here, I think they honestly just want to purify the hacking "scene", and making information about hacks public isn't pure.

that topic's a bit ehh and I don't really care about it enough to argue an opinion so this post is now about pixel art. : D

The iphone screen is soo large. When doing sprites I have the habit of nudging them unintentionally towards 16x16, but I always fear that having the sprites so small will make it hard to easily tap one, not to mention there will be an INFORMATION OVERLOAD or toosparsebland on the screen. Bumping tile size up to 32x32 could work but it's too big in my opinion for an acceptable amount of movement options in a tactical game. I decided to go with 24x24 because it's big enough to easily tap, but I have 16x16 sprite syndrome or something.
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Post by: alkaline on July 12, 2009, 06:09:45 pm
I finally found the problem! on the very right of the screen above the scrolling bar was a tiny icon that i double clicked. it disabled "color management". thanks for the suggestions though
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Post by: Conzeit on July 14, 2009, 07:54:09 pm
SUPERBROTHERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etEvL0EsxOY

http://www.superbrothers.ca/film_002dotmatrix.html

good thing to see that someone other than Paul Robertson is doing pixels in video. I like this guys aproach
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Post by: Atnas on July 14, 2009, 08:21:57 pm
Thanks Conceit, that was really cool. The composer for the video has some nice music under "composed on a playstation(ps1)" on his site (http://jimguthrie.org/soundz.php).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on July 15, 2009, 12:00:54 pm
I've been playing Dwarf Fortress II the last couple of days. I couldn't stand it the first couple of times. Too slow, didn't understand what was happening, hated the interface, absolutely retarded graphics :p but I kept giving it another chance because all the cool kids like it and I want to be just like them some day. And now It's really starting to grow on me.

I think I'm on my 5th fortress. I'm not sure how it happened, but apparently I upset a local goblin kingdom and they've responded by repeatedly trying to exterminate my dwarven race. I used to have almost 50 dwarven kind. Now I'm stuck with a Sheriff and about 6 lame and comatose brothers and my fortress is utterly foul with gases from the all the corpses lying about. The good news is about six migrants were stupid enough to come to my fortress about a week after the attack, so I think I can pick up the pieces and move on. I've got to figure out a better way to defend my fort entrance, though.

It has a 2x3 set of up/down staircases that I think I'm going to knock out. I originally put them in thinking the wagon traders would be interested in bringing their wagons down those steps, but apparentlly that wasn't going to work so I channeled out a ramp instead. The thing that worries me the most is that my sherriff is really stressed out and depressed and I'm afraid he'll jump into a lake soon like so many others. Although, that would be better than the last guy who went batshit crazy from working all alone in the mines and tried to slit everyone's throats. And naturally he does this right after a massive goblin siege when my people were already pissed off about being drafted the first time.

I never thought randomly generated characters could be very compelling, but I think my heart just broke in two when I found out that my first suicidal dwarf jumped in a lake because his wife miscarried their first child. It just pissed me off when I lost a good miner with the next jumper, though :p
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on July 17, 2009, 07:11:00 pm
Has anyone else ever dreamed in pixels? I normally dont, but the past few nights Ive had some fairly lucid dreams of pixel art, including visions of a totally kickass shmup.
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Post by: ptoing on July 17, 2009, 07:15:24 pm
I dreamed about videogames including pixely stuff quite a few times. Not as often as I dreamt in 2D animation looking stuff, tho.
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Post by: blumunkee on July 17, 2009, 07:31:09 pm
On a related note, how would you say

"Exploding dolphin tits"

in German?

This is directly related to the shmup dream I had last night.
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Post by: Sherman Gill on July 17, 2009, 09:05:06 pm
http://punaji.com/
 :'(
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Post by: Reo on July 17, 2009, 09:51:21 pm
Has anyone else ever dreamed in pixels? I normally dont, but the past few nights Ive had some fairly lucid dreams of pixel art, including visions of a totally kickass shmup.
I have :D
I also met Ptoing in one, Despite being German he talked with a sligth finnish accent lol
Also on Punaji why not just move over to a free forum?
Its the people that matters rigth?
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Post by: alkaline on July 17, 2009, 10:46:50 pm
Its the people that matters rigth?

but it won't be the same  :(

we punajiphiles will just wait for the rebirth then. like jesus.
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Post by: Larwick on July 18, 2009, 02:53:01 am
Has anyone else ever dreamed in pixels? I normally dont, but the past few nights Ive had some fairly lucid dreams of pixel art, including visions of a totally kickass shmup.

Oh cool. I once had a dream about a very simple shmup, b&w like you used to get on old mobile phones. I was playing it vigorously in my head, and i remember waking up completely revitalized almost like it was the best sleep i've ever had - like i'd been doing mental exercise. I drew the mechanics of the game down on some paper but it doesn't make any sense to me now.
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Post by: blumunkee on July 18, 2009, 08:04:07 am
I was playing it vigorously in my head, and i remember waking up completely revitalized almost like it was the best sleep i've ever had - like i'd been doing mental exercise.

Yar. Each time I've had a pixel dream I feet quite invigorated and inspired afterwards. I need to draw the ideas out before they fade away, but it almost feels like cheating...as if I really didn't create the images and I'm stealing the idea from some one else.
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Post by: The B.O.B. on July 18, 2009, 07:46:29 pm

Yar. Each time I've had a pixel dream I feet quite invigorated and inspired afterwards. I need to draw the ideas out before they fade away, but it almost feels like cheating...as if I really didn't create the images and I'm stealing the idea from some one else.

Careful, your brain may sue you for copyright infringement...you damn pirate.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on July 19, 2009, 10:59:03 am
Futurama news:

This is most likely a publicity stunt (comicon is in a week and the full cast will be there revealing futurama info) but they are "looking for new voice actors", for every character.
Apparently the cast were asking for around $75,000 per episode (Simpsons VA's get $400,000 per episode), due to their budget being so cut they can't afford it.

Honestly, I'm not worrying, this feels llike a publicity stunt and a little jab at their obsessive fans.
If any new voice actors are hired, my money is on them only being used in a cold open and after the intro it's revealed that their voices were caused by some farnsworth technology.


edit-
Comicon has been and gone, turns out it's for real :(
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Post by: ptoing on July 19, 2009, 02:02:51 pm
Quote from: blumunkee
"Exploding dolphin tits"
Explodierende Delfintitten

Quote from: Reo
I also met Ptoing in one, Despite being German he talked with a sligth finnish accent lol
Now I am scared D:
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Post by: junkboy on July 19, 2009, 08:01:50 pm
I found this Japanese dot app called EDGE2 (fetch, Tim Langdell!), which seems pretty sweet. You have some promotionish dirty tools, some graphic galeish stuff, dither patterns, grids for isometric pixeling, animation and stuff like that. Too bad it's all in Japanese, so it's hard to get into. Just a curiosity for most of us, I guess.

http://takabosoft.com/edge2
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on July 20, 2009, 04:29:25 pm
Some cool C64 videos I found from a competition (http://lcp.c64.org/)
this was first place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLP-poYbfos
and this second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1feN5Y9jMo
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Post by: JJ Naas on July 21, 2009, 09:16:11 am
Some cool C64 videos I found from a competition (http://lcp.c64.org/)
this was first place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLP-poYbfos
and this second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1feN5Y9jMo


Excellent stuff.

While this C64 TV ad from 1982 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVVtOOZPuGM) is totally funky, I wonder how mind blowing it would've been if they had had time to learn to use C64's capabilities to the same extent as in these later demos.
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Post by: The B.O.B. on July 23, 2009, 12:12:55 am
First Punaji, now Pixeljoint.com is down...the end of the world is fixing to come. Gentlemen, prepare yourselves for the final battle...

   Also, I've been lurkin on the site a bit, and have noticed that the Star Ocean sphere mock up challenge is very lonely. Feel bad for it. Would attempt something for it, but everytime I think of something, it just seems so bland....must be what others are thinking when they think about participating for it as well...oh well.
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Post by: 32 on July 23, 2009, 06:23:33 am
What's going on with pixeljoint? I thought it was just me.

Been playing Psychonauts over the last week or so, the whole concept is just really cool, the milkman and lungfish stages were amazing. Definitely recommend it (only $10 on steam), though you better have a gamapad/ get it for console. I think I'll have to play more of Schafer's games, I've heard so much praise but I never played any before now.
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Post by: Zenobia on July 23, 2009, 06:38:38 am
I miss Pixeljoint. I've been on holiday the past two weeks... and when I finally return to the internet...
On the bright side, someone offered to take a look at my Orphica set in Game Maker, before Pixeljoint... went on holiday.
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Post by: Cure on July 23, 2009, 08:07:05 am
Pixeljoint is indeed down.

All refugees to pixelation!
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Post by: skamocore on July 23, 2009, 10:30:42 am
PJ seems to be back. Woot.
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Post by: crab2selout.png on July 23, 2009, 04:42:01 pm
What's going on with pixeljoint? I thought it was just me.

Been playing Psychonauts over the last week or so, the whole concept is just really cool, the milkman and lungfish stages were amazing. Definitely recommend it (only $10 on steam), though you better have a gamapad/ get it for console. I think I'll have to play more of Schafer's games, I've heard so much praise but I never played any before now.
:y:

Milkmand and lungfish and the Napoleon boardgame  are definitely my favourite stages. So many amazing level designs and variety. Did you only hear about it recently or is something you've known for a while that you decided to take a chance on now that it's $10? And I agree on the gamepad.
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Post by: blumunkee on July 23, 2009, 06:49:02 pm
Psychonauts holds a special place in my heart, along with Beyond Good & Evil and Shadow of the Colossus. I've been waiting to see what Double Fine would come out with next. Looks like it's Brutal Legend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxnho1yTjRo&feature=related

Jack Black annoys me to no end, and choosing voice actors based on star power rather than - you know, actual voice acting ability - annoys me even more. But, here's hoping the game ends up being fun and funny.
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Post by: Jakten on July 23, 2009, 11:05:34 pm
I'm pretty excited for Brutal legend. Tim Schafer said when he designed Eddies character he had not planned him to be Jack Black and someone during development said he reminded them of Jack Black so Tim tried to get Jack as a joke and Jack ended up accepting. The casting for this is a little different than usual when you get stars to play parts for this though. Its not like they got Shia Lebouf and Beyonce or someone who has a HUGE name and little to no talent. Its all 80s metal singers (save Tim Curry who I think would be a better voice than Dio anyways, which why they booted him) which makes sense for a game based off of 80s Heavy Metal so it should be pretty natural for them to act like them selves.
 
 I've only played random levels from psychonauts but from what I played I enjoyed a lot. the napoleon level was fantastic and i really liked how Black Velvetopia looked. You should play Day of the Tentacle, I quite enjoyed it.
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Post by: Scribblette on July 24, 2009, 04:57:31 am
We'll be picking up Psychonauts soon too - the missus just spent all the M$ points I had on songs for Lips. XD
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Post by: 32 on July 24, 2009, 05:34:57 am
:y:

Milkmand and lungfish and the Napoleon boardgame  are definitely my favourite stages. So many amazing level designs and variety. Did you only hear about it recently or is something you've known for a while that you decided to take a chance on now that it's $10? And I agree on the gamepad.

I've known about it for a while but I thought it was console only.

Just realised beyond good & evil is pc as well, I really should look these things up. I'll have to wait a while to get it though, damn download quotas :yell:
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Post by: crab2selout.png on July 25, 2009, 02:24:40 am
I bought Beyond Good & Evil off Steam around Christmas when I saw it going for special. Didn't like it. It wasn't challenging and the gameplay was fairly bland. I guess this complaint could be levelled against Psychonauts, but PN kept me engaged with the characters and the story. I always wanted to keep playing so I could meet somebody new or advance the interesting subplots. I heard BG&E's characters and story are supposed to be compelling or interesting, but... eh, they just didn't do anything for me. Many months on and I can't even remember anything about it. It's drifted almost completely from my memory. All that comes to mind is a pig, a girl with green hair, and some really bland story about benevolent protectors, wait, oppressors. Actually, I'm starting to remember cringing at all the protesters that start popping up towards the end. It kinda came across as a poly sci student's wet dream.

Anybody ever give Vampire Bloodlines: The Masquerade a try? It's a FPS/RPG based on a boardgame property by WhiteWolf. It was made byTroika Studios, which was founded by some core members of the the RPG team at Interplay. That would be the guys who were making RPGS like Fallout. Vampire is a pretty solid effort, Great story, multiple characters and the dialog and in game opportunities are affected by your stats. If you feel like given it a shot, make sure to look for the fan made patch. Troika's games are kinda infamous for various bugs. I don't think it was entirely their fault, though, they were under a lot of financial pressure pretty much over the course of their existence. I even read an interview with Leonard Boyarsky(one of the founders), describing some pretty brutal crunch time he put in over most of their final two games that took him out of the game industry for a short period. And now he's on the design team for Diablo III :D
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Post by: JJ Naas on July 25, 2009, 12:05:47 pm
Anybody ever give Vampire Bloodlines: The Masquerade a try? It's a FPS/RPG based on a boardgame property by WhiteWolf. It was made byTroika Studios, which was founded by some core members of the the RPG team at Interplay. That would be the guys who were making RPGS like Fallout. Vampire is a pretty solid effort, Great story, multiple characters and the dialog and in game opportunities are affected by your stats. If you feel like given it a shot, make sure to look for the fan made patch. Troika's games are kinda infamous for various bugs. I don't think it was entirely their fault, though, they were under a lot of financial pressure pretty much over the course of their existence. I even read an interview with Leonard Boyarsky(one of the founders), describing some pretty brutal crunch time he put in over most of their final two games that took him out of the game industry for a short period. And now he's on the design team for Diablo III :D

I've read that the fan patches to Vampire: the Masquerade: Bloodlines make a great game out of the buggy release version, but I've never played it, although I DID play and even complete Vampire: the Masquerade, which was a rather straightforward and simple RPG, but for some reason highly enjoyable.

I've been playing a fan patched Oblivion for a good while now, a big patch to get rid of the scaling monsters, fix bugs, improve AI, and so forth. I've enjoyed it greatly. I'm currently a level 10 female imperial Thief/Mage and I've just bought my first own house. I've stood clear of the main plot, I haven't entered a single Oblivion Gate yet.

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Post by: .TakaM on July 25, 2009, 12:41:26 pm
Guess that 8bit sprite at IGN (http://au.gamespy.com/articles/100/1007157p1.html)
You guys should enjoy that, I identified almost all of them.
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Post by: .TakaM on August 01, 2009, 03:01:15 pm
Quote
Los Angeles, Calif.-The Star has learned exclusively that the voice cast of Futurama has just signed a new contract with Fox after weeks of intense salary negotiations.

As late as last week, the network was threatening to replace the original voices of Matt Groening's cult-hit cartoon, to the point of actually announcing a casting call for voice actors to replace them.

The compromise agreement, with the studio paying more and the actors accepting less, comes after the announcement of a 26-episode pick-up here by Comedy Central. Futurama also airs internationally in syndication, has produced four bestselling straight-to-DVD movies (later cut into episodes) and an upcoming feature film.
Severely reduced pay for all! :)
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Post by: skw on August 02, 2009, 11:05:03 pm
You might have seen it already, but . . .

http://thevillagepetstoreandcharcoalgrill.com/

. . . fantastic stuff!
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Post by: MintPastille on August 02, 2009, 11:57:40 pm
Coming from the very book-oriented field of programming, I am wondering if there is any literature worthy of my attention about art. Not specifically pixel art, but rather about drawing in general, as I suspect that the same principles apply pretty much everywhere. I am perfectly well aware of that skill comes with practice, but anything which speeds up my learning is something I'm interested in looking into. Have you ever read any art-related books which you've found to be good?

I realize that this is a very broad question; there are books about anatomy, color theory, perspective and so on. Preferably the book would be about elementary concepts, since I am a beginner.  I try not to be too specific, because I think that you're the ones who'd know what to start with.
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Post by: Jakten on August 03, 2009, 03:03:29 am
drawing on the right side of the brain (http://www.amazon.ca/New-Drawing-Right-Side-Brain/dp/0874774241)
I have the old version of this book so i can't really say how different the new version is but i'm sure it can't be worse. A lot of very good exercises for drawing. If you do them regularly i'm sure you will improve quickly.
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Post by: Dex on August 03, 2009, 03:40:36 am
Reading MintPastille's post saying 'a book not specifically for pixel-art' leads me to wonder how a book dedicated to the basics and the advanced aspects of pixel art and digital graphics would turn out. Maybe Pixelation should turn that into a community project, since I've seen the limitless pixel knowledge displayed here before ;D

Also, Jakten, I've got the old copy of that book too, I believe. Was a good read, very helpful.

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Post by: Cow on August 03, 2009, 04:49:52 am
Reading MintPastille's post saying 'a book not specifically for pixel-art' leads me to wonder how a book dedicated to the basics and the advanced aspects of pixel art and digital graphics would turn out.
As far as I know Ptoing has something of the kind (still) planned, I think this might've been mentioned once or twice on the forum here.

Also I have no cool segue but I'm turning 18 in about an hour! Although that doesn't entirely change much because I don't have money for any of my vices and I live in the most Conservative part of Canada so my vote's a throwaway. :y: :y:
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Post by: JJ Naas on August 03, 2009, 08:36:16 am
Technical drawing guides aside, reading about the history of art is also very inspirational, interesting and educating. And as the techniques and styles all around the world develop and change on the road from paleolithic cave paintings to modern art, you can also read that as a guide about what in general makes a drawing, painting, statue, building, vase or any other object visually pleasing. I have this book (http://www.amazon.com/World-History-Art-Hugh-Honour/dp/1856694518) and it's always nice to open it from a random spot and marvel at the awesome things on its pages. Recognizing what makes any piece of art look good is essential. With technical knowhow one can paint a realistic apple, but all technical excellence is pointless if the painting as a whole isn't interesting.
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Post by: MintPastille on August 03, 2009, 07:23:22 pm
...and I live in the most Conservative part of Canada so my vote's a throwaway.

Canada? Is it anything like Corner Gas?
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Post by: Batzy on August 07, 2009, 05:36:48 pm
Hehe made a Helm bunny :hehe:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7684/helmd.png (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7684/helmd.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: #36005A on August 08, 2009, 10:06:47 pm
Hehe made a Helm bunny :hehe:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7684/helmd.png (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7684/helmd.png)

Cute and satisfied! Just for future reference, though, the doodles thread (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3973.0) might be a better choice for posting things of this nature.
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Post by: Scribblette on August 17, 2009, 04:08:41 am
Fair warning to all fellow Aussies: stay off the roads. They're mad enough to think 'I' can drive unsupervised already...

*brandishes his new P plate with a deadly two tonne hunk of steel attached*

Thought I'd failed it, but didn't too badly. Screwed up my reverse parking. Big car, driveway instead of curb, too easy to mount unfortunately.

Also some of those instructions are evil: "Merge into the right lane. When the road ends, turn left (we won't tell you to merge left afterwards BWAHAHA if you forgets TWICE we fails you!). First time I was just following instructions, the second time... I figured screw the instructions, something's off. Yay for brain functions!

I'm a bit old to be getting my license, just never needed to before. The concept of people driving around is bloody terrifying - moreso is the fact it doesn't feel as terrifying as it should while you're at it
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Post by: Frychiko on August 17, 2009, 04:35:56 am
Heh, speaking of Driver's Licenses, mine expired a couple of years ago.. I feared I would have to go and do another test / practical test, but it was just a matter of getting it re-activated.
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Post by: .TakaM on August 18, 2009, 10:36:17 pm
Time for a new (old) avatar :)
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Post by: blumunkee on August 18, 2009, 11:24:03 pm
NPA!!! BAN!!!
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Post by: ptoing on August 18, 2009, 11:28:57 pm
Takarl? :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: saimo on August 19, 2009, 10:43:00 am
Hi everybody,

I just wanted to inform those who might be interested that the developer's manual to create skins for BOH (which I presented in this earlier post (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=7291.msg97748#msg97748)) has been finished (it took longer than expected :P). It can be downloaded from the DOWNLOADS page (http://www.bohthegame.com/downloads.html) of the website (direct link (http://www.bohthegame.com/data/developer's_manual.pdf)).
Have fun!
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Post by: Doppleganger on August 19, 2009, 04:25:18 pm
Haha, takam! I made a simple ambigram with my name (Tim) before, and the T/M area turned out really similar to yours. That K situation is a hard one though. I've done some names with Ks and it always turns out a bit iffy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on August 19, 2009, 04:43:39 pm
(http://www.game-designer.org/art/pixelart/edit/290ptz7.jpg.png)
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Post by: Doppleganger on August 19, 2009, 05:53:36 pm
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/pixelgroover/ambigram.png)

like that, except it took me longer than 3 minutes the first time.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on August 21, 2009, 11:35:12 am
Ambigrams are fun  :hehe:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on August 23, 2009, 11:49:38 pm
I was thinking about Minish Cap, the Legend of Zelda for the GBA recently and how someone here had been impressed because only one guy is credited (http://www.mobygames.com/game/gameboy-advance/legend-of-zelda-the-minish-cap) for doing all the artwork. This was actually a year back or something, but I started thinking about it some more while looking through my manual for A Link to the Past(GBA). I'd completely forgotten that a lot of the Minish cap artwork had already been completed for the Four Swords supplement. So I went on mobygames to check the credits for ALTTP/Four Swords (http://www.mobygames.com/game/gameboy-advance/legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past) and I see that the person mentioned in the Minish Cap credits is credited as a Character Designer and there are four other people listed under Graphic Design which I take is a general category meaning they were probably working on all kinds of art stuff. I did a quick check of the artwork credits for ALTTP(SNES) (http://www.mobygames.com/game/snes/legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past/credits) to make sure the Four Swords credits aren't for ALTTP(They aren't).

Unless I'm wrong about what Graphic Design entails, the only conclusion I can draw is that four other people didn't get a proper mention in the Minish Cap's credits. That's kinda bullshit.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on August 24, 2009, 11:06:35 am
I was thinking about something completely different when I wondered this, but it's actually worth talking about in terms of art.

How much of what I "know" to be real actually exists in a concrete sense, and how much of what I "know" is subjective perception?

Example: The time on the microwave is blurry and unreadable to me from this side of the room, so I ask my room mate for the time. He tells me that it's 5:52. I glance at the microwave again and see that it reads 5:52.

It ought to be a pressing issue, artistically, to discover just how much of what I perceive exists actually and how much my brain fills in, don't you think?  After all, what I believe to be real is the basis of what I communicate with my art, and if what I believe to be real is different from the way things actually are, my message is going to lose a certain amount of validity.

From this, I got to thinking:  I think that a talented artist could present the world to a viewer in a way that agrees with the way that the viewer perceives the world.  Or a more talented still artist could exploit this "relate-ablilty" as another artistic element.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on August 24, 2009, 11:32:43 am
Nothing exists.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on August 24, 2009, 11:41:19 am
Dude, but so does everything.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on August 24, 2009, 11:55:15 am
I do not know whether or not anything exists.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Doppleganger on August 24, 2009, 03:45:55 pm
Je pense, donc je suis.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on August 24, 2009, 03:46:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI

8bit music video made with lego, probably the most impressive one to date.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Twirly on August 26, 2009, 06:58:45 pm
:(
Sometimes my pixel art is okay, sometimes it sucks really hard.
Why ;-;
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on August 26, 2009, 07:35:57 pm
Quote
Sometimes my pixel art is okay, sometimes it sucks really hard.
Why ;-;
You must perform more sacrifices.


Hey, more people should come to #pixelation on irc.sorcery.net! [:

if those people have time
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rox on August 26, 2009, 08:44:33 pm
Unless I'm wrong about what Graphic Design entails, the only conclusion I can draw is that four other people didn't get a proper mention in the Minish Cap's credits. That's kinda bullshit.
Similar thread going on at Polycount today. Pretty interesting, I'd never even thought about it before.
http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=65229
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on August 27, 2009, 11:44:21 pm
Pixelation seems to be going down a lot recently. Don't tell me it's being targeted again or something D:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on August 28, 2009, 01:46:29 am
My little sister randomly found and shared this on Facebook. I don't know who it's by, but I thought y'all would enjoy it and might know who to credit. Hidden behind link, as it's massively zoomed in.

http://media.fukung.net/images/15564/19db1a95c3458b342d92130f871f1329.png (http://media.fukung.net/images/15564/19db1a95c3458b342d92130f871f1329.png)

I forget if I shared it in this thread, so I'll include this in here too.

http://www.trevorvanmeter.com/flyguy/flyGuy.swf (http://www.trevorvanmeter.com/flyguy/flyGuy.swf)

Anyway, main reason for posting is that I finally finished reading the Animator's Survival Kit and am happily moving on to Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain - and feeling the progress. I would've liked more focus on computer graphics, though - I still don't know where everyone learns what colours to use per limb and so forth when planning out animations.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on August 28, 2009, 01:47:39 am
I think that has been posted before :)
However, you might want to link to it rather that putting it in image tags, as it's pretty huge.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Twirly on August 28, 2009, 06:57:54 pm
Hey, more people should come to #pixelation on irc.sorcery.net! [:

if those people have time
I tried to go there, here are the results:
* Connecting to sorcery (6667)
-
* Unable to resolve server


Edit:
nvm, it works
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on September 02, 2009, 03:28:00 pm
I still don't know where everyone learns what colours to use per limb and so forth when planning out animations.

Do you mean when they plan the animation out before hand? I think they just choose any old colour that is different than the other so they can differentiate the left from right. I'd say its up to you which colours to use so long as it helps you to tell things apart. I know when I plan out an animation its usually just black scribbles so.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on September 03, 2009, 12:58:37 pm
The rough version of the animation should be a shorthand version of the animation that *you* can understand, it's basically writing notes to yourself. You still should observe proper technique in rough form but you are the only person who needs to be able to decypher it for the finished animation. I'm like Jakten in that I just use black scribbles, personally I feel like assigning colors to separate limbs is often a waste of time unless you're doing something very complicated - like a guy flipping and spinning through midair.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 08, 2009, 10:53:23 am
Just thought I'd say hi.  Used to be Wolverine some time ago (and still am on Pixel Joint since they can't change names easily apparently) and it looks like I still have a wolverine named account here too which I didn't realise so if the mods want to delete that please do.

Just signed up to comment now and then on some topics.  I'm not really much into pixel art these days as anything other than just the fact I like making games that look 8/16 bit so I don't think I'll have much to contribute but it's nice to see some people on here I used to follow back in the day.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 08, 2009, 12:29:33 pm
I remember you. Always enjoyed your works.

My pixel interest has wained dramatically as well. Need to do something about that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 10, 2009, 07:59:37 am
Hi Logan :)

We do not delete used profiles and such (even on request).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on September 10, 2009, 09:09:32 am
uhm Are we being invaded by bots spamming the boards? or the usual trolls with nothing to do :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 10, 2009, 09:59:04 am
We have both email activation and those image thingies on signup enabled, so if it is bots they have gotten smart.
It is possible that this is just really sad people that earn some money with spamming.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 10, 2009, 04:21:11 pm
No, sadly enough, bots have just gotten that smart. They have gotten around standard SMF Captchas and email validation.
 
I suggest you ban their email address' domain, that should slow them down. Another option is to set the CAPTCHA to highest level possible.

If you want to get rid of them altogether, add an extra question to the registration form that is required and non-standard.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on September 10, 2009, 09:02:33 pm
By the way, The Protomen put out Act II (http://www.amazon.com/Act-II-Father-Death/dp/B002LW06AO/ref=pd_cp_dmusic_1) just two days ago! I think all the songs can be found on youtube.

While the first act was something like raw and aggressive 8bit-Grunge, this one sounds a lot like 80s synthrock, and very polished at that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Darien on September 10, 2009, 09:28:40 pm
haha, didn't we once have a quiz that had to be finished before someone could register?  i bet that'd stop some bots
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on September 10, 2009, 09:32:48 pm
Ya, wasn't it based on the rules? Or was that on the temporary forums?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on September 11, 2009, 02:11:09 am
I know I had to finish a quiz based on the rules of this forum at some point.

and atnas, thanks for posting that protomen thing, its phenomenal!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 11, 2009, 04:05:54 pm
Hi ptoing.  So my old account just sits there then?  If that's how you do things round here that's fine by me.  Doesn't matter either way, least I get my current name.

By the way was I supposed to post hello in the intros topic I've only just noticed in the Things of Importance and Interest section?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 13, 2009, 07:42:26 pm
Well, we keep the profiles for posterity so to say. If i delete it I think it will say Guest instead of Wolverine on all the posts which is not good. I could try and test this tho.
Also ideally you could have messaged an admin to change the name on your old account to Carnivac. But does not really matter either :)

If you want you can post in the Intro thread, but not strictly needed.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 13, 2009, 08:04:21 pm
Okay.

Also ideally you could have messaged an admin to change the name on your old account to Carnivac. But does not really matter either :)

I didn't realise Wolverine was there until after I'd created a new account.  The members list at the bottom of the main page doesn't seem to be available to guests.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on September 14, 2009, 06:59:22 pm
If you guys have any spare time, can you check if you have this font:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/eq36v5.jpg)
I used to have it but it's gone :(

edit-
Rockwell Bold!  :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 15, 2009, 03:32:34 am
I'm having some trouble and I'm wondering if the mods can help.

Apparently, A Small Orange (www.asmallorange.com) hosting service has blacklisted WayOfThePixel.net

You guys are marked as referral spammers and now I can't showcase my art on this forum. I'm assuming there might be some other people using this company, so it might be in everyone's best interest if we could get rid of this blacklisting. Maybe someone can e-mail the folks at ASO to ask what's going on?

The problem is that none of the images I post are shown on the forums, as my hosting sends back a 403 error message for every request coming from wayofthepixel.net
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on September 15, 2009, 03:40:51 am
I don't know if it makes any sense of Pixelation to plead they're not referral spammers to your hosting service. Either users, who pay money to them, complain and they change their ruling, or users move to a different hosting service.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 15, 2009, 03:58:59 am
I'm obviously complaining, but I'm worried that they won't take a blacklist domain from their list, just because one guy is complaining. We'll see.

If it stays with just this one hosting service, it's no problem I guess (except for me ;)). I'm just worried about blacklist sharing. Some companies tend to upload their blacklist, so other companies can easier identify spam domains. If this would happen, most self-hosted images on this website would go down.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on September 15, 2009, 04:12:39 pm
what I mean is that it won't help if I complain to your hosting service because I'm not a paying customer.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on September 15, 2009, 04:41:10 pm
Back to the old avatar, because.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r9IseaRXfg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 17, 2009, 10:22:55 am
The question about the whole spam thing is WHY? Why are we blocked as being referral spammers? Is it because of the recent rush of spambots spamming with links? or what?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 17, 2009, 05:22:20 pm
I fixed it with my host. If others have the same problem, contact me, I'll explain it thoroughly.

It's basically a problem that everyone is hotlinking tons of images here, so hosting providers think this site is trying to leech bandwidth from their servers (called referral spam). It's called referral spam, because every time pixelation shows an image from another domain, the browser attaches a referrer URI to the GET request.

The hosting service registered Pixelation as a referral spammer, through mod_security in Apache. Once I declared it a false positive to my hosting service, they rectified the problem.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on September 17, 2009, 05:37:04 pm
So basically... every forum has a high potential to be considered a spam site? Seems silly.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 18, 2009, 05:56:21 am
My Toshiba M200 Portege Tablet PC (aka ancient, refurbished laptop) just died. All within the space of about two minutes.

Started with 'delete' key not working, then spitting out '=' (key next to it), followed by random keys not working. Turned it off to clean the keyboard, back on and the screen won't come on at boot. Just beeps every second.

I'd been happily reading all these old art books off it and learning to draw, too - ideal opportunity while stuck here in rural Victoria with my fiancee for a few weeks. Looks like I'm being forced to focus on sketching skills & away from pixels - but I'm confused as to why the Powers That Be think I need forcing when that's what I'm doing anyway. o_O
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on September 19, 2009, 01:00:14 am
I AM THE SPAMBOT CULPRIT
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2428/featurecreep17.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on September 19, 2009, 03:09:16 am
My Toshiba M200 Portege Tablet PC (aka ancient, refurbished laptop) just died. All within the space of about two minutes.

Started with 'delete' key not working, then spitting out '=' (key next to it), followed by random keys not working. Turned it off to clean the keyboard, back on and the screen won't come on at boot. Just beeps every second.

I'd been happily reading all these old art books off it and learning to draw, too - ideal opportunity while stuck here in rural Victoria with my fiancee for a few weeks. Looks like I'm being forced to focus on sketching skills & away from pixels - but I'm confused as to why the Powers That Be think I need forcing when that's what I'm doing anyway. o_O

Ooh, sad to hear this. At least it'll leave you with more opportunities to draw though. Sometimes I wonder how different all our artistic insights would be without the internet. o.O
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 19, 2009, 05:20:08 am
I'd be struggling horribly to learn to draw - heck, if there was no internet I probably would've never gotten into drawing to begin with and just stuck with writing. May not've even gotten into writing without the opportunities via the internet... probably would've wound up in music or IT.

Computer, oddly, seems to be functioning again - enough to have turned itself on okay, but still has random keys being 'activated' and can't do anything other than check for any files that need backing up. If I could disconnect the built in keyboard, maybe I could use it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on September 19, 2009, 06:31:10 am
Computer problems, especially HDD-related problems... God I hate them. I mean, I have so much time and effort stored in what seems to be a totally unreliable thing. I could wake up one day and all my work be gone for no reason(which has happened countless times for me). I hate to sound dramatic, but my computer is way up their on important things for me. Not because I spend so much time on it, but because the time I do spend on it feels just as important to me as it would if it were instead on a canvas painting a picture and such. I wouldn't like it any more if someone spilled something on a picture I spent a week painting. Except my computer doesn't just hold a single picture. It holds nearly all my art, all the coding/scripting I've done, and all the time I've spent installing and downloading things(which takes a long time to redo). I could understand if I sat and screwed around with my computer and messed something up, or got a virus doing something I wasn't supposed to be doing... but I think all my hardware failures have been completely random and out of my control. Turned my computer on one day and my HDD clicked a few times and bam, corrupted HDD and unrecoverable data. Sitting watching TV while it was snowing out and 'POP', power surge and fried power supply. Meh.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 19, 2009, 08:43:57 am
I think that tale is enough to make me better about backing up!!

Tempted to take a break from all the art study and learn to code a bit - any suggestions on what language might be best learnt if one was looking to experiment with making Facebook applications? Only know basic HTML and how to manipulate a smattering of Ruby for scripting so far.

One downside to getting into art so much (and away from coding a long time ago) is that I really prefer if I could just code by moving blocks around visually instead of actually remembering syntax etc.

I was thinking PHP for starters, SQL and checking out REBOL.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 19, 2009, 03:06:02 pm
Can anyone help me find the name of a game I used to enjoy on my friends PC back in the late 90's or 2000/2001?  It's quite a console type thing being a 2D arcadey platform game.  Felt very japanese compared to other PC games of the time.  I'd know it if I saw an image of it.  The main character I seem to recall wore a fairly generic futuristic blue-ish metal armor suit (but I don't think he wore a helmet) and I think it was low resolution (part of why I liked it).  Despite it being a 'by the numbers' kind of game it was one of the very few games I've ever really liked playing on PC and I'd like to find it again and have it to keep (hoping it works on Windows XP without too much hassle).

I know the description is a bit vague which is why I haven't had much luck googling for it but I'm hoping someone here may have played it and remembers what it was called.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on September 19, 2009, 03:48:02 pm
Argh,

I got pulled over tonight for speeding (I wasn't), I don't have a full license and I had passengers in the car.
The cop was like "Ok, I'll just give you a ticket for the passengers, but not for the speeding." if he did give me the ticket for speeding I would have disputed it, but I can't dispute the passengers.
Oh well, there goes $400.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: junkboy on September 19, 2009, 05:19:53 pm
It's quite a console type thing being a 2D arcadey platform game.  Felt very japanese compared to other PC games of the time.  I'd know it if I saw an image of it.  The main character I seem to recall wore a fairly generic futuristic blue-ish metal armor suit (but I don't think he wore a helmet) and I think it was low resolution (part of why I liked it).

Abuse?

(http://www.conjuntojk.com.br/diversao/jk_humor_jogos_curiosidades/jogos/abuse_game.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 19, 2009, 05:20:55 pm
I never ever step into a car if I know I'm not completely in my right to start with. So I never drink alcohol when driving, never speed a mile if I don't have to, never took any passengers with my training license.

Traffic is already a dangerous hellhole when you're sticking to the rules
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 19, 2009, 05:24:15 pm
Abuse?

Thanks but hell no.  I still can't stand any game with mouse aiming.  And the game I recall didn't look like that at all.  It looked more.. japanese.  Pixelly.  Not sure how to describe it.  I'm sure the guy's suit was blue.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 20, 2009, 12:19:53 am
Traffic is already a dangerous hellhole when you're sticking to the rules

Agreed. Out here where I am atm on country roads everything's just dandy - with no traffic and miles of straight road with beautiful skies and mountains in the distance, it's as pleasant as could be and one is even tempted, occasionally, to sit at the speed limit. I still imagine and automatic turret popping up out of the bonnet and blasting away whenever someone speeds by, though, especially when it's a cop who isn't chasing anyone, doesn't have his lights on and is doing about 40 over the speed limit.

So much worse in the city (Melbourne) - so much panic everywhere. And drivers ignoring the basics.

The rule here is do not speed up until AFTER you reach the sign, and reach the 'slow down speed' BEFORE you reach the sign, yet I have idiots pushing away behind me to hit 100 the moment the sign hits the horizon. People seem to think the right hand lane gives you the right to ignore the speed limit.

Apparently the P in my Probationary license stands for 'Pissing You Off'.

90s - 2001
Console type, 2d arcade platform
Japanese
fairly generic futuristic blue-ish metal armor suit (but I don't think he wore a helmet)
low resolution
'by the numbers' kind of game

I was so going to say Megaman until I saw the helmet line. :P Remember anything about the enemies or the story or what sort of gameplay was involved?


*goes back to reading about REBOL*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on September 20, 2009, 02:45:18 am
Can anyone help me find the name of a game I used to enjoy on my friends PC back in the late 90's or 2000/2001?  It's quite a console type thing being a 2D arcadey platform game.  Felt very japanese compared to other PC games of the time.  I'd know it if I saw an image of it.  The main character I seem to recall wore a fairly generic futuristic blue-ish metal armor suit (but I don't think he wore a helmet) and I think it was low resolution (part of why I liked it).
Halloween Harry has a blue helmet.
(http://www.andrew-turnbull.net/new/carnage2.png)
A.K.A. Alien Carnage

The first game runs fine under DOSBox, but I've never managed to get the second game running at all. First game is freeware now (http://www.3drealms.com/news/2007/05/alien_carnage_freeware.html).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 20, 2009, 07:28:02 am
I was so going to say Megaman until I saw the helmet line. :P Remember anything about the enemies or the story or what sort of gameplay was involved?

It was straight forward left to right, I think hack n slash (I can't remember if there were any guns usable by the player).  And the enemies I think were mostly robots or people in metal suits too.

Halloween Harry has a blue helmet.

I know that game and it wasn't that.  This was more 'serious' and the character proportions more realistic (well in that heroic game character/saturday morning cartoon sorta way I guess).  I'm starting to think it was so obscure I may never find it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on September 20, 2009, 07:47:59 am
IRON BLOOD perhaps?

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/iron-blood/screenshots
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on September 20, 2009, 07:53:42 am
Hm, no it wasn't that but that does look like my kind of game.  Thanks for that.  I'm gonna go find that and give it a go.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 20, 2009, 07:55:00 am
Tempted to take a break from all the art study and learn to code a bit

Learn C. All else is peripheral.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 20, 2009, 08:15:43 am
Learn C. All else is peripheral.

Eee... I was thinking something less hardcore and painful to learn. Along the lines of no coding confidence, hated java at uni (10 years ago, though), found Ruby in RpgMakerXP vaguely comprehensible and realized could handle something a little better than that, etc. End-user coding type... stuff. What be used in making apps on Facebook or web browser games - not what be used in making alternate universes.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on September 20, 2009, 01:34:18 pm
As an artist I find Ruby very intuitive! show me C++ or Java or PHP and I can't really read it too well, it's not as spatially recognizable.

like

Code: [Select]
class Pixel
attr_accessor :color, :x, :y

def initialize(color, x, y)
@color = color
@x = x
@y = y
end

def draw
@color.draw(@x,@y)
end

end

specific drawing syntax aside, that's a pixel.

If I wanted to make a new pixel I'd just do Pixel.new(color, x, y), and the arguments could be filled in by whatever color is currently selected, and the mouse x and y. (how you handle those is based on what input/graphic libraries you use with ruby) Very straightforward simple but powerful language!

Back when I used RMXP I had no idea how to read or write ruby haa. But it's a very different deal writing it outside of an engine with different sound and graphic libs. Makes me happy whenever I write in it <3

not to mention you can write programs to do your math homework easily hohoho~

I know twitter is done with ruby, so if you really want to get into web apps, rubyonrails is a really great thing.

Theres also flash, AdamAtomic here has his very own flixel lib for creating flash games rather simply with actionscript.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 20, 2009, 08:18:59 pm
Hmm, I was going through the pixel art thread, and noticed several thread topics have "[WIP]" next to them; is this now required to be placed on a thread if it's meant to be a wip or something, or is this the mods doing this for constructive purposes? And the threads that don't have Wip assigned to it, are they just meant for gallery type comments, and light critique? Just to clarify, this isn't meant as a complaint, I'm just curious as to if this is something new that pixelation is doing, for future reference. Any one know, or have I missed something?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on September 20, 2009, 09:27:18 pm
It's always seemed to be something people add to their thread in order to augment critique. Saying you aren't finished leaves some things up in the air, and tells critiquers that now is a good time to suggest changes that would fundamentally alter an image. When there is no [wip] tag, either the person didn't feel like writing it in, or they feel like they're done... But we all know what the level of "done" is on pixelation *glances at news box* so it's obviously not that topic starters want to solely showcase the art, I think.

I doubt the mods add them, it's uncharacteristic of the mods here to play mommy, they tend to play daddy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 20, 2009, 10:37:30 pm
Rule 6: Content tags/warnings.

If your piece is a work in progress add [WIP] in front of a title.
If it contains an element of nudity, excessive violence or such note that as well. Please use the format of "[element] Thread Title".
E.g. "[Nudity] Yus bird goes streaking!" !yus!

 :B

Along the lines of no coding confidence, hated java at uni (10 years ago, though), found Ruby in RpgMakerXP vaguely comprehensible and realized could handle something a little better than that

Okay. If you have a lack of confidence, just pick a language you like and learn how to program. I too witnessed the horror of Java at a university. Luckily I had enough common sense to drop CS before I sank too much money into it.

For web stuff, Ruby, Python, and JavaScript are hip languages that all the kids seem to like. I don't know of any good free Ruby or JavaScript books, but this Python one comes highly recommended:

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html

[edit]

Ruby learning:

http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?IwannaLearnRuby

Personally, I'm learning JavaScript, despite its sordid history and many design flaws:

http://javascript.crockford.com/javascript.html
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 20, 2009, 11:38:50 pm
I was struggling to pick between PHP/Ruby/Python until I had another look at the syntax (http://reinholdweber.com/php/php-vs-python-vs-ruby-oop-style-syntax/) - PHP looks laughable.

I'm torn between Python and Ruby now. As Atnas points out, Ruby definitely looks simpler and a bit more intuitive (like maybe you really could be happy writing in it), but Python looks like it might not be too much harder. I'm torn. Of course I still have no idea how all this will translate to this thing called 'web application frameworks' and how it might wind up with me making a basic facebook app, but hey. I'll just pick one up and start.

It's like... perceived practicality (ruby) vs theoretical superiority & mates who can debug anything for me (python).

I have no idea yet how using Flash would compare (adamatomic + flixel libs = how simply?)

Thank you for the links. *studystudy*
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on September 21, 2009, 08:36:53 am
laughable? well, for an inexperienced programmer, perhaps PHP may be a little intimidating, especially since you said you hated java, which has its similarities. but not laughable in terms of web development, PHP is powerful stuff.
python has a similar readability to ruby, but really it comes down to your own preference. just take a look at both and learn one you like better. (I for one like python better  :P)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 21, 2009, 10:45:59 am
Oh, I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything when I said laughable - I meant that sort of half-suffocated laugh of shock/disbelief when comparing the ease of reading the syntax. I am a VERY inexperienced programmer here. Please expect many unintended stupid sounding statements.

I certainly don't mean laughable in terms of capability! Far as I can see they're all perfectly capable of what I want to do.

From what I can see it looks like if I want web development I need to know PHP regardless - at least the basics. And it does look like Ruby vs Python aren't miles apart. Apparently if I learn one the rest will come without too much trouble, so hey... it's all good! :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on September 21, 2009, 08:43:22 pm
woo, it's my birthday :D \o/

to stay on topic- I've never found that much interest in programming- art and soccer are the only things that really intrigue me! Haha.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 21, 2009, 11:58:58 pm
Happy birthday.

Programming, like art, is appealing in that you are basically the god of your own little domain. Given enough skill and experience, the only limitation to what you create is your imagination.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on September 22, 2009, 12:47:00 am
I was always interested in programming, but I never have the patience to get into real programming like C++... just so much to learn and figure out. It seems like such a huge jump from scripting languages to programming.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ai on September 22, 2009, 04:01:46 am
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real programming like C++
AFAICS languages like Python are both 'real' programming languages and scripting languages, since you can solve virtually any computational problem using them;
With any moderately complex problem domain you're trying to model, the development and usage bottleneck tends to be your own limited understanding of the domain rather than the unoptimized nature of your algorithm. IME switching to a 'low-level' language like C++ or C allows you to gain some speed at the cost of spending additional time negotiating the primitiveness of the language.

Consequently a common pattern has developed of developing in a scripting/dynamic language and only translating the points which are both simple and brute-force into a more primitive language (often C); this minimizes the cost of readjusting abstractions (inexpensive in scripting languages, very expensive and error-prone in low-level languages), which as I said, is the thing you are likely to spend most time doing.
The fact that PyTables (http://www.pytables.org), a very-high-performance system for storing and querying huge amounts of structured data, is implemented mostly in Python, illustrates this.

You only need to get into C/C++ if you really truly need exacting performance. Most people don't (especially because performance tuning tends to make your code more fragile and give you disincentives to revise it.)

Be aware though that C++ is very much an overinflated language design -- it's complexity is far beyond the reasonable.
If you want OO+high performance, Vala may be a better bet.

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Programming, like art, is appealing in that you are basically the god of your own little domain. Given enough skill and experience, the only limitation to what you create is your imagination.

YES. That is EXACTLY why I like programming so much.

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Ruby definitely looks simpler and a bit more intuitive (like maybe you really could be happy writing in it), but Python looks like it might not be too much harder.

I can only say: I am really happy writing in Python. Like, really really happy. The phrase 'fits your brain' is associated with it for a good reason. Almost all of the time in a coding session for me is spent problem-solving, rather than negotiating the language.

This set of images might be interesting:

http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055485/
http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055530/
http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/280662707/
http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/280661836/

-- from http://www.mail-archive.com/numpy-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03837.html

(dependency graphs for the grammars of Python, C, Java, and Ruby. Java is hilariously bad.)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on September 22, 2009, 05:02:41 am
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real programming like C++
AFAICS languages like Python are both 'real' programming languages and scripting languages, since you can solve virtually any computational problem using them;
With any moderately complex problem domain you're trying to model, the development and usage bottleneck tends to be your own limited understanding of the domain rather than the unoptimized nature of your algorithm. IME switching to a 'low-level' language like C++ or C allows you to gain some speed at the cost of spending additional time negotiating the primitiveness of the language.
I never said they weren't? The comparison of 'real' was to scripting languages that I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 22, 2009, 02:57:30 pm
Looking at the examples provided for PHP, Ruby and Python, I find that the PHP example is humanly readable and makes sense. I could read that out loud to a kid and he'd have some sense of what I'm talking about.

Ruby and Python's OO structures make no sense whatsoever. They both have massive advantages over PHP in most areas, but not readability imo. Besides that the synthax of Python always seemed so out of nowhere to me. It's counter intuitive.

I guess it's to each his or her own? :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ai on September 23, 2009, 12:20:19 am
Looking at the examples provided for PHP, Ruby and Python, I find that the PHP example is humanly readable and makes sense. I could read that out loud to a kid and he'd have some sense of what I'm talking about.
I think I should point out -- you don't read out German to an English speaker and judge the sensibility of the Germanic language
based on how much that person understands... that would be measuring something else. IMO a much more meaningful metric is how often the language bites experienced users of it. For example, I find C and C++ bite a lot (C++ more due to added complexity), which seems to match people's common experience of it. (Java is something I haven't tried but seems to bite people at a rate comparable to C++). Python bites very little (meaning I can very often write a routine and it will work right first time) -- this is also confirmed by plenty of other people. I haven't tried Ruby, I would guess it bites a little more than Python (based on the flowcharts I linked). Lua is also pretty good for un-biteyness. Dunno about PHP (it looks like a much simplified Java to me)
Smalltalk seems like it might bite the least of the languages I've heard of, so I hope to try it sometime soon.

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Ruby and Python's OO structures make no sense whatsoever. They both have massive advantages over PHP in most areas, but not readability imo. Besides that the synthax of Python always seemed so out of nowhere to me. It's counter intuitive.

I guess it's to each his or her own? :)
Yeah.. personally, Python/Lua's* OO is the only kind that does make sense to me -- although Smalltalk sounds interesting, I've never actually tried it. C++'s OO is some kind of cthuloid abomination (FYI: I learnt C++ before Python)

I agree that __len__ etc in some senses are not very readable -- otoh __len__ marks it as a 'system' method
(cf.  '_foo' which would be a method internal to the class -- probably only called by other methods to do some low level work)

Intuitiveness is just a measure of how well something fits with your particular habits, according to Peter Sikking (interaction architect working on GIMP UI) and a few other famous usability researchers (eg. jef raskin). So it is indeed personal.

* haven't tried ruby, I'll guess it's probably similar enough.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on September 23, 2009, 12:41:31 am
Personally, I think that what you define as "biting" is just something novice programmers go through, not something that applies to trained professionals who know the difference between memory managed by reference types and dereferenced pointer types (example).

It's all about speed of development really. All languages discussed are mature, potent languages with certain disadvantages and advantages. Simplicity and readability have always been a trophy reserved for C style synthax (C, Java, PHP, C#, etc). Feature set and depth of capabilities traditionally belong to Python style languages (Python, Ruby, others).

The result is that you'll see that the more rigid the project and the more people working on it, the faster companies will go for Java, C++ or C#. Python and Ruby are languages most often used by smaller groups of people looking for a rapid deployment of complex (web) behavior. At least, that's how I feel the business works right now.

If you write a complex codebase in Java, and hand it over to another team, they will easily be able to understand and reuse this codebase (provided you stick to analytic object oriented design, which is a given in Java). If a complex codebase in Python is handed over, things will not always go as smoothly, as the complexity of the language features and synthax tend to obfuscate algorithms, decrease readabilty, etc.

In professional software land, language is not really an issue when talking about one man teams. Choose whatever works best for you. When talking about big teams cooperating (a plethora of programmers working on a codebase over a span of years), you'll see language, platforms, API's becoming very important. The language chosen will depend on the workflow of development of a whole company, which is about complex analys, money, time, personalities, available training to staff, etc.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 23, 2009, 03:39:40 am
If you write a complex codebase in Java, and hand it over to another team, they will easily be able to understand and reuse this codebase (provided you stick to analytic object oriented design, which is a given in Java). If a complex codebase in Python is handed over, things will not always go as smoothly, as the complexity of the language features and synthax tend to obfuscate algorithms, decrease readabilty, etc.

What?

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Wait, what?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ai on September 23, 2009, 04:54:51 am
Personally, I think that what you define as "biting" is just something novice programmers go through, not something that applies to trained professionals who know the difference between memory managed by reference types and dereferenced pointer types (example).
that terminology was taken from commentary by a professional programmer, who said there were some languages, where you've been using them intensively for years and they *still* give you nasty surprises, and other languages that generally don't. He attributed this to the relative complexity of the offending languages (more precisely, the degree that they fail to be internally consistent and therefore predictable.)

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It's all about speed of development really. All languages discussed are mature, potent languages with certain disadvantages and advantages. Simplicity and readability have always been a trophy reserved for C style synthax (C, Java, PHP, C#, etc). Feature set and depth of capabilities traditionally belong to Python style languages (Python, Ruby, others).
C style simple? Perhaps.
Readable? well, it's better than Forth, Perl, assembly, and maybe Lua; I can't really see why you would compare its readability favorably to Python or Ruby.

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The result is that you'll see that the more rigid the project and the more people working on it, the faster companies will go for Java, C++ or C#. Python and Ruby are languages most often used by smaller groups of people looking for a rapid deployment of complex (web) behavior. At least, that's how I feel the business works right now.
I can believe that.

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If you write a complex codebase in Java, and hand it over to another team, they will easily be able to understand and reuse this codebase (provided you stick to analytic object oriented design, which is a given in Java). If a complex codebase in Python is handed over, things will not always go as smoothly, as the complexity of the language features and synthax tend to obfuscate algorithms, decrease readabilty, etc.
I find it difficult to imagine any knowledgable programmer taking the above claim seriously, although obviously you do.
I think you observed a pattern 'If a complex codebase in Python is handed over, things will not always go as smoothly'
accurately, and then erroneously rationalized it as 'the complexity of the language features and synthax tend to obfuscate algorithms, decrease readabilty, etc.'

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In professional software land, language is not really an issue when talking about one man teams. Choose whatever works best for you. When talking about big teams cooperating (a plethora of programmers working on a codebase over a span of years), you'll see language, platforms, API's becoming very important. The language chosen will depend on the workflow of development of a whole company, which is about complex analys, money, time, personalities, available training to staff, etc.
Well, I agree with that, surely.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Frychiko on September 23, 2009, 06:27:28 am
Personally, I think that what you define as "biting" is just something novice programmers go through, not something that applies to trained professionals who know the difference between memory managed by reference types and dereferenced pointer types (example)

Heh.. "professionally trained" programmers? There are such people that get professionally trained to program? Sounds like university graduates who end up not knowing how to program at all.

As for those issues just biting novices.. only a novice would say something like that. Managing memory was a pain in the ass...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 23, 2009, 10:42:42 am
   I'm having a strange problem with Promotion. I wanna' know if someone experienced Promotion users here has ever experienced this; basically, if I try to do a simple 2 frame animation, the 2nd frame ends up being auto cropped/chopped off toward the bottom and right sides AFTER I save it, close it out and reopen it. Doesn't happen if I do 3 frame animations or above. The funny thing is, if I upload that same chopped image, it loads just fine to the web. But if another promotion user saves the file and loads it into his promotion program, than back we go into the chopping issue .
   I've tried re-saving as different file names, saving on to the web, and re-saving it onto my pc, and even reworking it in mspaint, and copying and pasting it...NO difference. I'm totally stumped over this...looked online, and can't find any one who has this problem. I verified my crop settings were normal as well. Any one ever experience this?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 23, 2009, 12:20:57 pm
This is very odd. Which version of PM do you use. Also I suggest saving animations and such as .pmp files as that is native to PM and should not yield any problems.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 23, 2009, 04:57:59 pm
   I use Promotion V5.1. I was actually able to save it as a ".bmp" file and the 2 frame animation worked just fine. So it must be something with the .gif file type, it doesn't like with 2 frame animations. In either case, I'm going to see if I can email Promotion author, Jan Zimmermann, over the issue. Hopefully he might have a simple solution to this.

Thanks though, Pee-Toe!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on September 23, 2009, 05:19:11 pm
PM6 does this as well. I reckon it's about how gif is stored and how PM is reading it. As in that only changed pixels get stored. It's odd it only happens with 2 framed stuff.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 23, 2009, 05:29:22 pm
   Yes, I just noticed it now, that it's only cropping off where changes made to the 2nd frame are at( I believe I've seen this happen in Photoshop one time as well, but not to the point where I can keep recreating the problem, like with Promotion). If no changes are made to the 2nd frame, then it nearly chops/crops out the whole piece. Hopefully, Mr. Zimmerman may have some type of explanation or a quick patch update, that MAY fix it. I know it's an issue that can be bypassed, but it's still a slight annoyance.

   Oh well, at least this could be a good "known issues" log for pixelation users using Pro Motion, heh...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on September 26, 2009, 01:07:46 am
OK GUYS WHO WANTS TO KNOW HOW TO GET TRUE PIXEL PERFECT 2:1 ISOMETRIC PROJECTION IN WINGS 3D?

EVERYONE!? I GUESSED SO : D

edit>numerical camera input

X:2, Y:1.63299316185545206547, Z:2.

THIS NUMBER!!! ffff

anyways input that and you've got the camera in an isometric angle. now you can render out isometric bases to pixel upon for great justice.

Goddamnit me and my friend tried so much stuff until he came up with the right equation for finding out the point in space where we needed the camera. HALLELUJAH!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on September 26, 2009, 05:35:57 pm
major areas here got buried...

a whole month's rain fell over six hours, as Tropical Storm Ketsana lashed the archipelago, causing the worst flooding in Manila for 20 years.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on September 26, 2009, 10:39:29 pm
Oh wow, hope everyone's alright...

It's been raining non-stop all day here too, but nowhere near as bad as where you are, Froli!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on September 30, 2009, 05:50:34 am
My close and personal cat friend, whom my sister named "Gigi", but whom I refer to as "Gigimaru", has been MIA for close to a month.  :'(:'(:'( I fear he has either found a new home with some undeserving family, or worse, has met a grizzly death. I will, however, keep searching for him around the neighborhood, and will always keep the fire buring.  :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on September 30, 2009, 11:29:00 am
I hope you find him, or that he's happy and well. Check wall gaps if there are any around the place too, though that happens more with kittens than big cats AFAIK. Also check the pounds and RSPCA type places - they keep pets for a while - put up fliers, etc. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on October 14, 2009, 03:31:43 am
AW! BLu......I know exactly what that's like, same thing happened to me too =O Dont be like me and  if he comes back make sure he doesnt go away give him a good treat :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on October 17, 2009, 01:47:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plhgyp0KNQQ
The song's not anything amazing, but everyone here should enjoy the video.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 20, 2009, 12:58:47 am
http://www.viddler.com/HelmLL/videos/

My Flashback playthrough from last year is back, on a new host after Vimeo bahleted everything LP-related, in the case anyone missed it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on October 20, 2009, 03:01:08 am
Bad link?

http://www.viddler.com/explore/HelmLL/videos/
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on October 20, 2009, 04:17:18 am
cool, I DID miss your flashback playthru...and yea the link doesnt work
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 20, 2009, 02:37:37 pm
Fixed link, thanks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on October 21, 2009, 11:24:31 am
Waagh, my knee! The pain - the pain!! It's all weird and non-specific but in one particular place all at the same time. It's almost the kind of pain that makes you laugh. Anyone know that?

House hunting for rentals today - to see ONE open inspection in Melbourne, it took me six hours of public transport. Missus has the car outta town.

I had it all planned out and then the first bus arrived early. Extra early, even - I'd set my mobile ahead to be safe. Throw in the next bus being a bit late, a super busy highway with no crossings dividing me from my target and an inspection window shortened to ten minutes and I was running around in black dress shoes and a brand new suit. Knee suddenly went clicky - like when the missus sat on it and it bent the wrong way. I got there on time, but we're unlikely to get it anyway. Bah!

Missed my original bus back, then sat at the wrong platform at the train station, then the train home had to stop half way, connecting buses didn't show up, then I got sent back to the train for another two stops after which the bus home wouldn't let me in because he was convinced I wanted the OTHER bus that would require yet more walking on a very sore knee. And I helped a friend miss their flight because I didn't correct them on the time difference... d-oh!

I would've loved to have spent all that time pixelling! :(

If any of you are fabulously wealthy landowners looking to rent out in eastern Melbourne, I'd love to know.  :lol:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on October 22, 2009, 12:39:53 am
Scribb, you suck at life! j/k You sound almost as scattered as me. One of those days when yer better off staying put, I've had them. I'd help out . . . but I'm on a slightly different continent. Coincidentally, I'm also moving. Waiting to sell, though; not looking yet. Better get that knee checked, what if it's the cartlidge kneecap. I understand damage to that area can be permanent and debilitating.

The Flashback videos are amazing. I got all the way through Out of This World, I recall the end cutscene riding a pterodactyl into the sunset or something like that. Apparently, the main guy behind it is doing a game for the Wii (http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2007/02/01/flashback-creator-working-on-wii-title-with-eric-viennot/). Probably nothing like it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on October 22, 2009, 01:17:50 am
Whoops, I missed what Helm was on about there. It was followed by 'Fade to Black', wasn't it?

This is great, I can just watch the entire game through :D I loved it but didn't have the patience for it back then.

What's the music you were playing, Helm?

Tangent - that youtube video is pretty impressive, too (the one Taka.M linked above).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 22, 2009, 05:10:46 am
what youtube video

The music is Loscil, Biosphere, Maitreya.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zoggles on October 22, 2009, 05:34:44 am
Awesome play-through Helm hehe you make it look *so* much easier than I ever remember it being. Then again.. I don't think I ever realised about the animation invincibility frames back then.

Great commentary too :) an interesting read - though in many places required constant pausing to make sure to read both it and any onscreen dialogue etc. Watching the playthrough again, that last New Washington work mission just seems so bizarre.. I mean woot.. we have a faulty board in the main electric power supply for the city..and going in to replace it will trigger a 90second self detonation sequence..  anyone with a work permit who wants the job can have it.. no extra credentials required.. the power for the city rests in your hands stranger.. good luck and p.s. please don't fail or we'll all be buggered.

I remembered the Death Tower stuff very clearly. That (at the time) seemed to be a pretty sudden 'difficulty' jump but also remember the lovely street scene and getting the taxi. Oddly however, I couldn't remember the last level(s) at all - though the ending I could recall. Whenever I have flashback of Flashback though it is always of the first zone. Beautiful art, excellent control of level design, good use of puzzles, and very nicely allows you to experiment and familiarise yourself with the controls and mechanics.

Anyway.. a nice trip down memory lane that I probably wouldn't have had without your uploads. I will at some point find the time to give the game another play - and will pay attention to the invicibility moments :)

Thanks for sharing that.

-Z-
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on October 22, 2009, 06:58:38 am
I've very glad you got something out of them, Zoggles :)
Death Tower is an up in difficulty I guess... up to there most fights could be buttonmashed more or less and then you could recharge your health whenever. But I've gotten so good in the game over the years I don't notice it anymore. I do still have some trouble in the alienworld stages even to this day, though.

I think Flashback is very emblematic of what I call 'Amiga design', though not so much in the negatives as usual. What I mean is that the game starts strong and has amazing technical features for its time (like Shadow of the Beast and its rolling plains for example) but it suffers from inconsistent design from there and on. Flashback is still pretty remarkably playable as compared to other Amiga standout games though, and I suspect that is because it was designed to be played on a console. But it's still pretty esoteric in this mechanics and it does meander as it goes on a bit (last 3 stages).

Yeah the timed 'plz fx our reaktorz, kthanx' mission is supremely nonsensical, heh
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on October 22, 2009, 07:13:40 am
Edited post above to clarify - youtube video was linked in .TakaM just before your link, Helm.

I'm loving the commentary you included on the game, Helm. Think you'll do anything else like that?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 02, 2009, 03:56:22 pm
Today some jerk cut me off, I honked my horn at him so he decided to follow me home.
I wasn't having a great day so when I pulled up my driveway and saw he was coming up too, I slammed on the brakes, got out and started walking to his car.

Not sure how I was gonna get it done, but my general goal was to punch him in the face. But he reversed out and left before I got to his car.


And tonight I finally had enough of the noise my Wii has been making and opened it up to see what the problem was.
A tiny bit of metal was hitting the plastic part that holds the disc in place as it spins, applying a tiny bit of force made it spin silently again, so I tried to bend it back to a position that wouldn't interfere.
I barely bent it at all, mere fractions of a degree in fact, but now my Wii can only try and fail to spin a disc.




mmnnmbklelleghhhhh

edit-
I can get the discs to spin now...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on November 04, 2009, 08:57:03 am
Weird road story here too - some terrible driver yesterday had a kid on a bike hanging off his rear bumper and didn't seem to realize it, so I tried to cut him off and get him to slow down. He just honked his horn at me, drowning out the screams of the poor kid being dragged along the road! I ended up following him for ages before he pulled into a driveway and finally got out - oh, waitaminute...

Having only recently gotten into the whole driving thing (documented a few posts back, actually) I'm just starting to get the hang of this whole road rage thing. Mostly it's rage at people calling me when I'm driving - I can't change a radio station without veering off the road, and I went through a red light* yesterday trying to tell my fianc who'd called to stay INSIDE and wait at work if there are creepy people outside in a random street she doesn't have to wait for me in >_<

But there are so many idiots. EVERYONE in Melbourne speeds. And so many people do not indicate before overtaking or merging. Or people get pissed because you're not doing the speed limit BEFORE you pass the sign. Eesh.

*Light turns green, arrow stays red, I always find them easy to mess up on. About a half dozen cars followed me through when I made the mistake!!

Oh, and my hard drive failed. A newer one. With many of my old birdie photos. The PC it was in had been switched off (on the PSU) for months and never had problems, but somehow it died when I turned it on - to back everything up. XD Apparently freezing it in a sealed bag might get it to work for a few minutes...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 07, 2009, 07:28:14 pm
First kiss~! .   3 .

i missed
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Scribblette on November 07, 2009, 11:20:45 pm
loflmao - and grats.

I've never heard of a first kiss going down flawlessly. They've always been mini-disaster stories.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Pawige on November 08, 2009, 01:34:59 am
I finally beat Spelunky! I am pathetic! But it feels so good!  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on November 08, 2009, 05:02:54 pm
I've never heard of a first kiss going down flawlessly. They've always been mini-disaster stories.

I don't know, seems like I defy that rule then. Takes a while to find the right moment, but once it's there, it's easy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 0xDB on November 09, 2009, 05:22:37 pm
lurk=off

The company that I work for as a Software Developer recently moved further into the city and as a result I spend around 2x20 minutes on the subway each day.
So today after work, I bought myself a small sketchbook, thinking I should put that time to good use instead of just sitting around listening to the idle gossip of the other passengers all the time.

Alright, so armed with that new sketchbook and the pencil that I already put into my pocket this morning I went back to the subway, got a little annoyed that I couldn't get a seat in one of the corners of the wagon at first (still got one later and no I don't know why it's important to me to get a seat in a corner (maybe it's because I'm a bit shy and want to hide what I'm doing)), opened the book and stared at the first blank page.

"Now what to draw" I thought and then just started drawing leafs and turned the thing into a small bush with some grass below and suddenly I had already reached my destination.

Lessons learned: 1.) It's unnecessary to worry about other people on the subway taking an interest in what I do and even more pointless to worry about them starting to talk to me, because everybody seems to be pretty busy with themselves or busy trying hard to put on a blank face or busy burying their noses into their books and magazines.
2.) Time flies when you do what you love.
3.) It's difficult to draw clean lines and curves with all the heavy rumbling and shaking from the train.
4.) I need to do this more often to gain more self confidence and so that I really stop feeling watched eventually.

Questions:
Anyone else sketch on their way to/from work?
Do you draw from imagination or do you draw the people on the train/bus?
If you draw the people, do you ask them for permission or do you just try to draw them without them noticing? (e.g. draw the people a bit further away, who are busy doing something(reading, looking out of the windows) and not the ones directly in front of you)

edit: (almost forgot, here's the little thingy (didn't know where to put this as the doodle thread only seemed to be for pixelart doodles)
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6664/20091109.png)

lurk=on
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 09, 2009, 06:12:02 pm
Actually my first kiss was pretty darn fantastic. On a hillside with indie-rock blaring at the festival down below on a beautiful day, and we had just eaten sandwiches so she tasted like peanut butter.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: alkaline on November 09, 2009, 06:59:11 pm
damn, straight out of an indie chick flick. nice.

mine was boring, but nothing went wrong...we were watching a movie. that's about it . positive experiences for the win!  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 09, 2009, 08:34:23 pm
my first goat was very receptive
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on November 10, 2009, 11:53:30 am
my first goat was very receptive
hahaha, that doesnt sound too different from MY first kiss! I was into being dramatic and punishing myself at the time
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 0xDB on November 10, 2009, 03:50:02 pm
Did more random drawing in the subway today. The one on the right is one of those litterboxes that come out of the walls in the wagons (drawn this morning). The one on the left is a random creature reading (inspired by the guy in front of me, who was reading a book and since I didn't have the courage to observe and sketch him, I drew this creature instead (drawn 20 minutes ago)).
The rumbling and shaking of the wagon really makes it hard to draw clean lines or even shade a given area without accidentally crossing the boundaries of the perceived shape.

Anyway, I'm inspired to do a pixel art piece titled "In The Subway" with a perspective view into the wagon with all sorts of strange creatures engaging in typical subway activities (mostly blank staring or peeking at the few beautyful females) to capture the mood of an early morning subway ride to work. Need to draw more inspiration from the subway for that in the upcoming days though...

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5434/20091110.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 11, 2009, 12:26:20 am
I like these train sketchings very much Dennis!  A train seems like the perfect environment to practice drawing.  You've got the people, of course, doing all sorts of activities, the different textures of the materials in the train, the reflections on the glass, the outside environment going by (which could be interesting to try to draw in motion).  I usually sketch during/between class or while on the shitter  :blind:.  You mostly get bricks, benches, and people reading books.  In the bathroom, you get ducts and sinks and dirty cloths.  Neither is very diverse when compared to a train. 

Going back and forth from strict reproductions of what I see to free imagination faces and abstract geometry seems to do the trick for me.  The strict reproductions are always more rewarding personally, though.

I never ask permission to draw anybody.  I don't really care if this is rude, but it might be useful to have a talk about the ethics of asking people for permission to draw their likeness.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 11, 2009, 12:29:01 am
Bleh, my tooth is killing me! Well, might not even be my tooth. Just the whole side of my face is pulsing pain, especially at the 'hinge' of my jaw.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Zoggles on November 11, 2009, 12:35:12 am
Not that I sketch people, but if I did, I don't think I'd bother 'asking permission' to do so. Why should you? You are simply drawing things in your current view - in the same way as people might catch you in a photograph they are taking. If the person looks agitated from it then sure.. scrap it and move to someone else. Jeez.. there are enough CCTV cameras and stuff around these days - and if anything there is more reason to be uncomfortable by them capturing your full likeness and actions rather than some bumpy train ride sketch by someone passing time on his/her commute to work.

-Z-
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 11, 2009, 12:49:43 am
Bleh, my tooth is killing me! Well, might not even be my tooth. Just the whole side of my face is pulsing pain, especially at the 'hinge' of my jaw.

Dude, see a dentist. In the worst case this can be a tooth infection which spread to the bone of your jaw. I had something similar last year, where I had a hole in my tooth for ages which was not visible from because it was between the molars where the view is blocked. Result was partial jaw infection and the tooth being dead.

If I had not gone to the doc it could have ended really bad. Tho at some point I got a really high fever because of the infection. But yeh, go to a dentist, play it safe.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 11, 2009, 01:56:32 am
Bleh, my tooth is killing me! Well, might not even be my tooth. Just the whole side of my face is pulsing pain, especially at the 'hinge' of my jaw.

Dude, see a dentist. In the worst case this can be a tooth infection which spread to the bone of your jaw. I had something similar last year, where I had a hole in my tooth for ages which was not visible from because it was between the molars where the view is blocked. Result was partial jaw infection and the tooth being dead.

If I had not gone to the doc it could have ended really bad. Tho at some point I got a really high fever because of the infection. But yeh, go to a dentist, play it safe.
Ya I've been to the dentist before and ended up having an infection... though this doesn't feel anything like that toothache. I swear it feels like my jaw is dislocated or something. Definitely going to see a dentist soon if this doesn't clear up, it's unbearable.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on November 11, 2009, 02:49:13 am
I get chronic migraines, and a lot of the time the experience is as you've described, the pain all along the whole right half of my face, especially my temple, behind my eye, through the hinge, and into my teeth. May be what you're describing, I dunno. Drink water if you don't do that enough...? : D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 11, 2009, 02:57:33 am
Nah, I get migraines and it's nothing like this. I realized though at night even while I'm awake I clamp ridiculously hard... getting a mouth piece tomorrow, heh.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 0xDB on November 11, 2009, 04:56:47 pm
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on commute-sketching Rydin and Zoggles, they helped me today to just go ahead and draw the people without asking. I think I'll post my daily sketches to the OT creativity from now on, as there does not seem to be a sketch thread yet.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 12, 2009, 02:36:39 pm
Nah, I get migraines and it's nothing like this. I realized though at night even while I'm awake I clamp ridiculously hard... getting a mouth piece tomorrow, heh.

I was about to say, sometimes I clench my jaw very tight at night and wake up with sore pain all through it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 12, 2009, 04:45:32 pm
I clench my jaw very tight at night and wake up with sore pain

This happens to me every now and then.  Stuffing some blanket in my mouth, so my jaw relaxes, seems to put a stop to it.  I know that my mom has the same problem, and she wears a mouth guard thing that she got special made at the dentist.  They make a cast of your mouth and make it out of some expensive material.  For me, it's a matter of the cost of a special fitted tooth guard versus the cost of my blanket  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Emtch on November 15, 2009, 08:15:29 pm
Turned 18 today. Got a big wacom touch n pen.
I don't feel old and weak so maybe growing old isn't such a bad thing  :sigh:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on November 16, 2009, 03:24:44 pm
Wait until you wake up with a sore back, and it never goes away.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: miascugh on November 18, 2009, 01:09:36 pm
Definitely nsfw, nor entirely off-topic ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcXvqiho4w
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 18, 2009, 04:47:22 pm
that's amazing! and great pixel-art too.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 18, 2009, 04:58:42 pm
Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSdoDjcI5VE (take the suggestion of downloading the high quality file. unless you're into dingy youtube grunge...)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 18, 2009, 05:25:46 pm
INSANE ARTIST ALERT (http://eriksandberg.net/index.htm)

That Kings of 4 billion% was amazing. So much art and you barely get to see it as it flashes by.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on November 18, 2009, 08:20:09 pm
I liked the pixel art and power-ups in the trucker anim, but I'm undecided on all the pooping. It was a bit jarring -- I'm like oooh, sexy, then uh...what...wait...no pooping.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Darien on November 19, 2009, 05:23:08 am
yeah I feel the same way about the pooping and the massive penis raping, but the pixel art was neat
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 19, 2009, 06:54:42 am
It's great that it makes one uncomfortable!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: big brother on November 19, 2009, 02:55:46 pm
I guess it's an ironic contrast -- to present something within the context of game graphics, but break taboos in ways I haven't seen video games do. You know, since all video games are for kids and developers don't want to upset mothers.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 19, 2009, 08:01:31 pm
The first poop was awesome, the rest of the poops felt iffy to me!

I LOVE the parallax of the huge girl in space, that one point just felt. Aaah! Wonderful. Then more poop. The combination and contrast between the most wonderfullest mode7-ish mock-3d colon-from-inside and poops made me feel good shivers followed by disgusted shivers followed by that cycle again.

Anyways it's awesome. I need to start making this kind of stuff too. It's totally what I'd use my pixel art for.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 20, 2009, 05:16:57 am
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5526/mbwhite.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 20, 2009, 07:46:56 pm
Mathias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TkWUxIqoJ4
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on November 20, 2009, 08:13:47 pm
yeah I feel the same way about the pooping and the massive penis raping, but the pixel art was neat

I'm not too sure about the pooping either, but that massive penis rape was absolutely hilarious.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 20, 2009, 09:51:26 pm
Pooping is taboo but raping is awesome?

NO I KNOW BUT ISN'T IT FUN?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 20, 2009, 10:10:58 pm
ダンスの女の子!  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 20, 2009, 11:07:37 pm
ダンスの女の子!  :y:

何で英語のコミュニティーで日本語しゃべってんの~。誰もわからないからな。(≧Д≦;)

Translation: Wtf rydin why are you typing in japanese
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 21, 2009, 03:05:02 am
Jad.

errhhmm, that was very happy. Thank you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on November 21, 2009, 04:55:53 pm
IT'S COMET BOY! RYUUSEI SHOUNEN! RYUUSEI BOY! COMET SHOUNEN!

Don't you see the awesomeness in the coincidentaliciousness
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on November 21, 2009, 08:51:41 pm
I know most of you guys might not be into fps stuff but holy shit I need this thing like NOW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOIiAws2Tw&feature=related)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on November 21, 2009, 09:43:42 pm
I know most of you guys might not be into fps stuff but holy shit I need this thing like NOW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOIiAws2Tw&feature=related)

Neat design and concept, though I don't think it will be very successful, what with additional "artificial" weight/force possibly causing more of a chance of cramping and joint issues...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on November 21, 2009, 10:14:38 pm
I know most of you guys might not be into fps stuff but holy shit I need this thing like NOW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOIiAws2Tw&feature=related)

I could see some interesting [mis?]use in some of those Japanese sim games. Nipple Twist Simulator EXTREME Edition?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on November 21, 2009, 10:21:15 pm
I know most of you guys might not be into fps stuff but holy shit I need this thing like NOW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOIiAws2Tw&feature=related)

I could see some interesting [mis?]use in some of those Japanese sim games. Nipple Twist Simulator EXTREME Edition?
I see you understand why I need one of those things then.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on November 22, 2009, 06:12:02 pm
in case anyones interested I put up some new shots of one of my two main retro pixel game projects I been doing.  This one being level 1 of a game called 'Hero - Celestial Force' which started off as a fan game of the game 'Hero' by my friend Ultimortal (who also created the popular 'Iji') before it sorta grew with more colors (though I am only using colors from a modified NES palette) and slightly larger sprites and 8 way shooting and stuff.  And it was only meant to be a 2 week project I began almost 3 years ago to the day.  Am very slow.
http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853 (http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: rikfuzz on November 22, 2009, 08:42:57 pm
in case anyones interested I put up some new shots of one of my two main retro pixel game projects I been doing.  This one being level 1 of a game called 'Hero - Celestial Force' which started off as a fan game of the game 'Hero' by my friend Ultimortal (who also created the popular 'Iji') before it sorta grew with more colors (though I am only using colors from a modified NES palette) and slightly larger sprites and 8 way shooting and stuff.  And it was only meant to be a 2 week project I began almost 3 years ago to the day.  Am very slow.
http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853 (http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853)

Ah that looks wicked - got proper nostalgia from those screens.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Doppleganger on November 23, 2009, 06:45:48 am
Over the course of the past two months I learned that our company might be bought out by Zynga, flew out to San Francisco for an interview by Zynga, learned that we were indeed being bought out by Zynga, and then subsequently left behind what was my life in Wisconsin in order to start anew in California. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem much has changed. I've got a few friends who moved out here from Wisco a while back, and the team that I've been working with over the past three or four years all moved out here, too. So now, I'm basically doing the exact same thing that I was before, just in a new area, and from an actual office instead of my house.

Two things.

1) If there's anybody in the San Francisco area that likes meeting awesome new people, let me know, as I'm down to make more friends.

2) If there are any flash developers looking for a really great place to work, Zynga is aggressively hiring and offers some amazing benefits to boot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: khorin on November 23, 2009, 07:27:15 am
Doppleganger - Wow, that's a perfect example of positive life changes! It's not often the people you know move with you too. Just last year, I moved away from a rather large to city to a tiny spec on the map. Unfortunately, I haven't made any friends in a town of less than 1k people. Most of them are rednecks.  :crazy: Luckily, I'll be going back to uni this Spring so the making friends part should be easier.

--------

Wow, I haven't been to Pixelation in a long time. I've been lurking every now and then. In the past couple of years I've been doing pixel art sparingly but my need to be creative in many ways has tempted me to do it more often now. Just today, I spent the whole of it practicing. Fun. Anyway, I'm hoping to be more active here and post some stuff for critique soon.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: surt on November 23, 2009, 10:09:22 am
I could see some interesting [mis?]use in some of those Japanese sim games. Nipple Twist Simulator EXTREME Edition?
No one would ever missuse one of these! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfrMalBiXuY)

I've had my eye on those Novint folks for a while now. More interested for 3D modelling than gaming. They are apparently working on a 3DOF grip which would mean a full 6DOF haptic system which doesn't cost thousands of dollars. Nice.

in case anyones interested I put up some new shots of one of my two main retro pixel game projects I been doing.  This one being level 1 of a game called 'Hero - Celestial Force' which started off as a fan game of the game 'Hero' by my friend Ultimortal (who also created the popular 'Iji') before it sorta grew with more colors (though I am only using colors from a modified NES palette) and slightly larger sprites and 8 way shooting and stuff.  And it was only meant to be a 2 week project I began almost 3 years ago to the day.  Am very slow.
http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853 (http://amon-devilman.deviantart.com/art/Hero-CF-221109-144395853)
Any builds of this beauty floating around anywhere yet?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ultimaodin on November 23, 2009, 12:15:18 pm
Ok, not sure about this but I haven't seen any regulations for posting links to other forums but I have to post this as it's incrediby messed the F up!

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/18/t1451041-man-marries-video-game-character/

I really think this guy is going to need more than a nipple twist simulator.

I've decided their is such a thing as going to far with pixels.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Carnivac on November 23, 2009, 03:54:30 pm
Any builds of this beauty floating around anywhere yet?

Soonish.  The engines pretty much sorted but there's several crucial things I need to finish before a demo can be released such as a few level objects and notice the lizardy trooper guys aren't paying any real attention to the player character in the top right shot.  They're what I'm working on right now.  They're a bit more complex in behaviour than what I would normally do but I think it's worth the extra work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 24, 2009, 09:29:54 am
I've been playing Braid and I feel a need to express some criticism. The graphs are awesome but I detect a lot of dodge/burn brush usage.. it would've been better with less of that sort of thing. The gameplay is good abd responsive, but playing itself feels more like work than having fun, because the levels and puzzles are built in a way that you can't ever relax and fool around, you need to be giving a 100% performance all the time in order to beat the levels. Some simple monster bashing levels here and there would've made playing it less exhausting.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on November 24, 2009, 10:38:02 am
At times it's not a fun game to play and at other times it demands that you put it down for a duration, I feel both are warranted emotions given what the game's about.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 24, 2009, 01:26:54 pm
At times it's not a fun game to play and at other times it demands that you put it down for a duration, I feel both are warranted emotions given what the game's about.

I suppose so. It feels good to solve a puzzle, but it doesn't get you hooked like puzzle games normally do.

 Anyway, what I'd really like to play is a platformer which obviously has good controls but is also atmopspheric, not too hectic (the pace being mid-tempo or slow) and that's sort of traditional and relaxing, has some puzzles, gem/fruit collecting and monster bashing in it.. no need for fresh or contemporary ideas (like in Braid or Littlebigplanet). Maybe the Giana Sisters DS would be just the game for me.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on November 24, 2009, 02:06:33 pm
I haven't played all the way through Braid, the only thing that threw me off with that game is the writing. There's poetry and then there's pretentious essays... and Blow falls on the wrong side of that line.

Speaking of indie games has anyone played Machinarium yet? I'm a good ways into it and it's lovely - good example of both games as art and games as a storytelling medium. I haven't been this charmed by a game since Little Big Planet.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 24, 2009, 02:13:12 pm
I got Machinarium and I finished it. Very nice game, charming art and music.

It has a bunch of slight annoyances but nothing too bad.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on November 24, 2009, 10:09:08 pm
I played the demo for Machinarium and really liked the atmosphere and design. Might get it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 24, 2009, 10:19:09 pm
Oh man, I love Machinarium.  I'm taking it in real slow and savoring each little bit.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 25, 2009, 08:51:53 pm
Jad, everyone wants to use my incredibly original name!

Yes, lovely graphics in Machinarium. I wish I had the patience/motivation to play through it so I could all of the cool gfx in it, but like most games - I do not . . .


--And Happy Day, I've finally gotten myself to take a serious stab at digi painting. Watched several process vidoes on youtube, studied up, and am now practicing. My justification for the time needed to understand how it's done is a current project featuring cartoony illustrations of character they had me come up with, so what I'm going for is clay-modeled looking cartoonyness with bold black outlines . . . yeah.

All I'm really using is a hard-edged brush, with lots of opacity stroking, layering on the color slowly/gradually. NO DODGE/BURN used at all, goal is to use none. Wow, Tool Presets is a wonderful thing I've found! (oh, I'm using Photoshop, as usual)


(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7560/amateurgarbage.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on November 26, 2009, 09:24:38 pm
lookin' good, Mathias!

Happy thanksgiving, everyone! I'm off to have a wonderful meal with my entire family :O
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Toxie on November 27, 2009, 12:02:37 am
Is this where I say "Hello, I am Toxie and I am an alcoholic"?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 27, 2009, 04:22:38 am
(thanks, Dex. I'll post up the final version for a good laugh once done)

No, actually. (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=6976.0) But, I think that'll do!       Is this text blurry to you at all?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on November 27, 2009, 05:46:09 am
In opera it just has a dark background.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Toxie on November 27, 2009, 06:20:38 am
In opera it just has a dark background.

Same with Firefox.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 27, 2009, 06:22:52 am
As far as I know, only IE supports glow and shadow effects.

Heh, I remember when pixelation used to support raw HTML instead of BBcode. Including allowing you to put tables and such in your sig for a while :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on November 27, 2009, 09:20:30 pm
Oh . . . well that's boring.
I vote to remove the quick access glow & shadow tag buttons from the reply writing box then. Looks like half or more of us no longer see the intended effect. Drop shadows and glows are unholy anyway.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: miascugh on November 27, 2009, 09:24:07 pm
Yeah, some changes to the overall forum experience are overdue, but who knows what Santa may have in store for us this year ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on November 28, 2009, 09:08:35 pm
AUUUGH IT TRICKED ME. Firefox's update box opened up right as I clicked on a link and I no longer have Firefox 2 :'( What the fuck. The default font is different from what it was before and a bunch of websites end up loading indefinitely! ANGER >:( Anyone know what the default font for Firefox 2 was?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Reo on November 28, 2009, 11:24:19 pm
AUUUGH IT TRICKED ME. Firefox's update box opened up right as I clicked on a link and I no longer have Firefox 2 :'( What the fuck. The default font is different from what it was before and a bunch of websites end up loading indefinitely! ANGER >:( Anyone know what the default font for Firefox 2 was?
That happend to me too a while back, I ended up reinstalling ff2...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 28, 2009, 11:34:31 pm
What're the chances of the smilies being converted to 24-bit so they could be AAed? Or are there still that many old IE users out there?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: skamocore on November 29, 2009, 01:56:56 am
I hate that Firefox 3 box >( Apparently 'NEVER' means 'ask me everyday from now on until I finally get annoyed enough by the intrusive pop-up that I end up saying yes anyway'.

About Braid:

If you want to bash many monsters you can just rewind. I personally thought the puzzles were well metered (excluding level 2.2) and if a level was too hard then you could usually just walk through it and get onto the next level. Anyway, in terms of graphics, I thought it was almost all spot on, the only things I really didn't like were the sprites of the two characters that appeared towards the end of the game, they looked extremely rushed and generally of lower quality in comparison to the main character. Personally, the usage of burn/dodge doesn't really bother me.

About Machinarium:

I liked the non-verbal 'dialogue', but I wish you were able to skip some of it. The graphics were great, I found myself using the solution button after I had completed the level just to look at the solutions - all of those pages were really nicely designed. Which brings me to my next point, the game would've been far better off without any of the action minigames, including the solution-spider-shmup and especially the mini-game one towards the end; they came off as extremely amateurish and unnecessary. If the final action mini-game occured at the start of the game I wouldn't have even bothered finishing the game. But aside from that Machinarium was great, I really liked the screens that included multiple areas :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on November 29, 2009, 03:47:59 am
Wow, never heard of this game but I'm loving the spritework:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/lapucelletactics/
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on November 29, 2009, 05:24:08 pm
La Pucelle Tactics' mythology is awesome too. Japanese pop versions of medieval Christian stuff :3

La Pucelle is Joan of Arc's nickname if I recall correctly
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 29, 2009, 05:41:40 pm
La Pucelle Tactics' mythology is awesome too. Japanese pop versions of medieval Christian stuff :3

La Pucelle is Joan of Arc's nickname if I recall correctly

Well, "la pucelle" means "a virgin".  ::)

Heh! One of my all time favourite games. Nice blend of ISO-pixel characters with a 3d background. The theme music is catchy as hell. The plot is the usual absurd "the world is full of suffering, therefore I will end all suffering by destroying the world" -emoing on the villain's part, but I can tolerate it because there are some good characters in it and the game itself is brilliant. Sister Prier kicks ass. I never finished it though, the final battle (after going through the hellish no-save labyrinth first) is completely unfair unless you do hours or days of grinding beforehand.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on November 29, 2009, 11:20:56 pm
Quote
the game would've been far better off without any of the action minigames

That damn checkers game took me two hours.  :mean:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on November 30, 2009, 01:10:00 am
Well, "la pucelle" means "a virgin".  ::)

I know, but my knowledge of French (I live in a french-speaking country) is better than my knowledge of poor Joan :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on November 30, 2009, 10:18:56 am
I know, but my knowledge of French (I live in a french-speaking country) is better than my knowledge of poor Joan :)

La Pucelle d'Orlans is the full nickname.

My favourite special move in the game was Sister Prier's "Family Jewels" -kick. Ouch!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mush on December 01, 2009, 05:40:01 am
 ???

http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=622
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on December 01, 2009, 10:05:45 am
I do not like that new logo. Then again I used game maker for years so I'm quite biased with my opinion.
I could elaborate why I do not like it but I'd rather hear the opinion of someone more neutral so I can't 'influence' their opinion.
This is a good place to ask so how does this look to you?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on December 01, 2009, 11:35:04 am
lol er... why is it crying?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on December 01, 2009, 01:25:24 pm
It's rolling its eyes back!

.. But now that you mention it, doesn't it sorta look like a pair of nostrils with snot running out?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 01, 2009, 02:04:15 pm
That logo looks like it was procedurally generated by The Internet.
The graphic designer inside of me died a little bit more by looking at it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: khorin on December 01, 2009, 03:02:59 pm
The graphic designer me died as well, Ben. It's a smiley for goodness sakes! How is that unique?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: CrazyMLC on December 01, 2009, 04:20:04 pm
HAPPPY LOGO!!!  :crazy:
What?

That logo is horrible. That better be a joke.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on December 01, 2009, 04:37:11 pm
I think we should use this as the game maker logo:
(http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/awesome.gif)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rydin on December 01, 2009, 07:20:56 pm
Why don't they just go straight to something like this:
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7233/motivator2d799335612a21.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 01, 2009, 07:55:04 pm
(http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivator2f9a58dc2a5062b02e445eae46edaa0c0269577b.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Rosse on December 01, 2009, 08:41:31 pm
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/markusrosse/junk/yus_maker_logo.png)

 !yus!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: McClaneGames on December 02, 2009, 01:21:51 am
If only it was April 1st, and tomorrow this whole logo ordeal would be over...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Sherman Gill on December 02, 2009, 03:51:56 am
Newvatar! Mayhaps one day I will attempt another context-changing avatar that sucks less.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on December 02, 2009, 04:18:05 am
I made a GM logo for a game I was making once upon a time.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/67/gmlogob.gif)

They started off with a nice enough logo. If they wanted something more modern they could've just added lens flare and called it a day. On the other hand, I think this new logo proved my observation that the GM community was useless and at most 13 years old.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on December 02, 2009, 05:31:16 am
But hey, Albert made a quick 250 off of it. All hale spec work contests! Rape all graphic designers! Abuse the entire design industry! (http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=622) I couldn't care less about game maker, I don't use it. I love the comments below, though!



The walrus is done. It's incredibly boring, yay me. Gotta improve my brush set now.

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7342/kttreadmilldun.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on December 04, 2009, 06:23:27 am
I was wondering if someone could help me out. I did some searching around the forums and wasn't able to find what I was looking for.

Quite a few months back Helm (I think) Posted a video of a shmup game, there was a part in the game where you pull up the wall of a building and the way they had the background laid out it gave a weird illusion of the ship pulling up.
I was wondering if someone could tell me the name of this game or even better point me toward the video.

I'm interested in using this idea for a game if I can figure out how they did it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 04, 2009, 07:21:48 am
Hmm, I thought it was Dondonpachi, but I didn't see the youtube link in the critique thread so I dunno...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on December 04, 2009, 08:36:47 am
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=7726.msg88977#msg88977

 ???
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on December 04, 2009, 08:59:49 am
YES! That is the thread, Thank you! this actually turned out better than i thought, I didn't realize people were trying to figure out how it was done as well lol.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 04, 2009, 09:12:29 am
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/markusrosse/junk/yus_maker_logo.png)

 !yus!

haha, hilarious  :crazy:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: #36005A on December 06, 2009, 09:06:29 pm
Over the course of the past two months I learned that our company might be bought out by Zynga, flew out to San Francisco for an interview by Zynga, learned that we were indeed being bought out by Zynga, and then subsequently left behind what was my life in Wisconsin in order to start anew in California. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem much has changed. I've got a few friends who moved out here from Wisco a while back, and the team that I've been working with over the past three or four years all moved out here, too. So now, I'm basically doing the exact same thing that I was before, just in a new area, and from an actual office instead of my house.

Two things.

1) If there's anybody in the San Francisco area that likes meeting awesome new people, let me know, as I'm down to make more friends.

2) If there are any flash developers looking for a really great place to work, Zynga is aggressively hiring and offers some amazing benefits to boot.
Heh, my cousin works at Zynga. Good luck and congrats!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on December 07, 2009, 06:54:55 pm
Weird. My vision had gotten really blurry and i got my eyes checked. Now i can pixel again with my new glasses, and surprisingly the reason for a big problem of mine was found in the process.
Before i saw everything skewed and warped a little bit so i had a problem with symmetry. Now it's fixed, but warped had become normal to me, so now normal seems so wrong, i can't even hold my balance properly.

Also now i realize why i got so many comments at work about lack of AA or too heavy lines.......
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Photocopier on December 07, 2009, 08:32:52 pm
Weird. My vision had gotten really blurry and i got my eyes checked. Now i can pixel again with my new glasses, and surprisingly the reason for a big problem of mine was found in the process.
Before i saw everything skewed and warped a little bit so i had a problem with symmetry. Now it's fixed, but warped had become normal to me, so now normal seems so wrong, i can't even hold my balance properly.

Also now i realize why i got so many comments at work about lack of AA or too heavy lines.......
Damn, I'm sorry for you man.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on December 08, 2009, 02:40:11 pm
That's not bad photocopier, that's great. Now he'll see his work like his employer and clients do. I bet his vision is already back to normal and fully acclimated to normalcy again.
I've always been paranoid something will happen to my eyes. My dad and paternal grandfather have glasses, so that may not be the best sign!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Photocopier on December 10, 2009, 08:02:56 am
(http://glog.yoyogames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gm8_logo_glog.jpg)
yoyogames have remade their gamemaker logo again and it is better this time I think. what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on December 10, 2009, 11:38:04 am
Yeah, that one is OK I think. The other one was just hilariously bad.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on December 11, 2009, 10:20:57 pm
Oh wow yeah haha much better. I think I prefer this icon to the red hammer one, even if it is less iconic and a little too busy.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on December 14, 2009, 01:46:38 am
Guys MSpaint just disappeared from my computer. Anywhere I can download it? XP or Vista paint is fine.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on December 14, 2009, 02:06:59 am
Guys MSpaint just disappeared from my computer. Anywhere I can download it? XP or Vista paint is fine.

Here you are. (http://www.humanbalance.net/gale/setgalefreeus.exe)

>...>
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dokozai on December 14, 2009, 02:10:37 am
Guys MSpaint just disappeared from my computer. Anywhere I can download it? XP or Vista paint is fine.

Here you are. (http://www.humanbalance.net/gale/setgalefreeus.exe)

>...>
If I wanted Graphicsgale, I'd would of asked for graphicsgale! But thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Pawige on December 14, 2009, 02:44:23 am
You do not want it.
So you say.
Try it! Try it!
And you may.
Try it and you may I say.

(You can spend much more time actually making art and much less time fighting with a terrible interface!)  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on December 14, 2009, 02:56:21 am
I could not pixel without right click color select. I just couldnt do it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on December 14, 2009, 09:59:23 am
Am i the only one who thinks e-readers aren't that amazing technology wise?  I thought we were well ahead of B&W screens.  Everyone thinks they're the shiznit though.  odd.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: rikfuzz on December 14, 2009, 10:56:04 am
Am i the only one who thinks e-readers aren't that amazing technology wise?  I thought we were well ahead of B&W screens.  Everyone thinks they're the shiznit though.  odd.

Haha, yes you are!  They're incredibly easy on the eyes, because each "pixel" is phyisically flipped over (I think).  So it only ever uses power when it's changing page so they last ages between charges.  Have you seen on in real life?  They look like paper!  I wasn't impressed till I saw one.  I never really read, to my shame, but I'd probably get one if I did.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on December 14, 2009, 01:28:18 pm
I agree with the above. It's amazing technology really. You get literally no eye strain, it's just like paper.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on December 14, 2009, 01:47:56 pm
Indeed, they do not have the problem of looking at a fucking bright screen which burns your eyes while reading.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Ben2theEdge on December 14, 2009, 03:14:25 pm
When they make one that simulates the crisp feel of paper between my fingers and the faintly moldy aroma of ancient knowledge, I'll give them a try.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on December 15, 2009, 12:38:03 am
I can't wait till they get them in colour. Should be perfect for my college texts. All I could think about while reading my intro to architecture text was how cool it would be to be reading it on a dual screen e reader with one screen for text and the other for pictures. Clicking a word would bring up a small text box with the definition. Clicking any text would also bring up relevant pictures on the alternate screen to go with the material, all of it in glorious colour now that there's no economic penalty for displaying all colour pics. And not only would there be colour pics, but shitloads of pictures, too, from all kinds of angles.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on December 15, 2009, 02:54:17 am
Over the course of the past two months I learned that our company might be bought out by Zynga, flew out to San Francisco for an interview by Zynga, learned that we were indeed being bought out by Zynga, and then subsequently left behind what was my life in Wisconsin in order to start anew in California. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem much has changed. I've got a few friends who moved out here from Wisco a while back, and the team that I've been working with over the past three or four years all moved out here, too. So now, I'm basically doing the exact same thing that I was before, just in a new area, and from an actual office instead of my house.

Two things.

1) If there's anybody in the San Francisco area that likes meeting awesome new people, let me know, as I'm down to make more friends.

2) If there are any flash developers looking for a really great place to work, Zynga is aggressively hiring and offers some amazing benefits to boot.

This is the first time I read about your company status,  but you need to be aware <knowing is half the battle lol> . Zynga has a notorious reputation from stealing art content , putting questionable malware/spyware on their games <Iesnare>. Terrible customer service and they also love to replicate existing games that in the end they got sued and have to pay millions of dollars. I don't know how they treat their employees.. So good luck to that mate.

and behold Zynga CEO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7YaVVpK1G4
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on December 15, 2009, 03:03:01 am
How to make 55000 by gving away your work (http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/23/how-to-make-55000-by-giving-away-your-work/) nuff said!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on December 15, 2009, 05:48:54 am
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5853/featurecreep08.png)

donations please
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on December 15, 2009, 03:30:15 pm
I'll be repainting my room this week since it looking like shit for years now lol. I've been thinking of light blue... Is there any good color scheme that helps a persons mood to stay active and do his work  :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Mathias on December 17, 2009, 12:54:41 pm
I know that when it comes to painting classrooms, color theory is applied so the effects of the room's color is optimal for student performance. Search that a little, I don't remember the conclusions.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Pawige on December 17, 2009, 04:56:53 pm
This (http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours) looks pretty useful! I'm sure one of these colors has a few qualities that would help you work.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on December 17, 2009, 11:26:24 pm
Anyone know when the version of firefox with the new rendering engine is supposed to come out? I saw a webpage saying 3.6 comes out this month. That would be pretty awesome if that was the version that finally adds optional filtering support



EDIT: tried downloading hte 3.6 beta. It's very polished, my addons work and the filtering iis disabled after following the instructions somebody posted on pixeljoint. Yay! no filtering!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on December 18, 2009, 05:04:38 am
Pretty awesome Pawige. Thanks :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Atnas on December 19, 2009, 04:32:51 am
megaman needs to happen in the next thirteen days
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on December 23, 2009, 05:12:57 am
Avatar.

I saw Avatar in 3D the other night, I ignored this movie and it's hype up until a few days before I saw it but I'm not sure that would matter.
What you guys have probably already heard is true, while the story isn't original it isn't bad, it's a classic story people have been telling for generations, I don't think there's anything wrong with that and it usually helps solidify a movie as a classic.
The CG is incredible and so is the 3D, they used the 3D pretty tastefully, no pingpong ball bouncing out to the screen, anything that pops out was just ambient stuff like leaves falling that really help immerse you.


Only thing I felt it was missing was a memorable score, nothing stuck out as bad, but I can't even remember a single note of any music in the movie, the Na'vi and their culture had obvious potential for some amazing music, but it's just not there.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: khorin on December 23, 2009, 05:40:37 am
Taka - I agree with you about the music. I really enjoyed the movie but felt that the awesomeness was incomplete because of the so-so music. They spent soooo much money on that movie but obviously, not a lot of it went to the music department.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on December 23, 2009, 07:51:36 am
I also watched it. Awesome 3d.. And I agree with the simple story and the music is lacking.

Btw.. I HATE xs.to. Almost all of my crit edit images post are gone :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Indigo on December 23, 2009, 09:20:53 am
The so-so movie plot was tolerable for me, taking into account the amount of background story they didn't spell out for you.  It was dripping with Celtic mythological/cultural affinities and political narrative.  Though some of the political narrative was a bit off-putting such as the random bush speech they slapped in.  The 'tree of life' concept is directly druid, and is quite fun to research into.  I also felt it did a great job of presenting two alternate ways of looking at the Gaia belief - one of science, and one from an indigenous religious perspective.  Very very cool stuff.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on December 23, 2009, 10:05:39 am
 I also felt it did a great job of presenting two alternate ways of looking at the Gaia belief - one of science, and one from an indigenous religious perspective.

I thought it was quite refreshing that for once the scientists were the good guys in a scifi movie.

The cg scenery art was good but it wasn't anything that hadn't already been seen in various fantasy illustrations decades ago, Roger Dean (http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/63993640zKyCxM?start=0) being an obvious influence.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on December 25, 2009, 03:36:36 am
(http://www.locustleaves.com/asus.png)

well, that stopped working. As you see I've chucked a desktop fan in there to keep the graphics card cool for a while but I need a longer term solution. Do you think this is replacable?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ptoing on December 25, 2009, 09:51:04 am
Should not be hard to get a new fan for your graphics card. I like your McGyver mod with the desk fan.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Kren on December 28, 2009, 12:38:53 am
I am wondering if someone knows how to change  the paint program in windows 7 to windows xp paint program D: I just hate the new one.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on December 28, 2009, 01:05:52 am
I am wondering if someone knows how to change  the paint program in windows 7 to windows xp paint program D: I just hate the new one.

I just copied the program file from my old computer. You might be able to download it online.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Kren on December 28, 2009, 02:10:40 am
I am wondering if someone knows how to change  the paint program in windows 7 to windows xp paint program D: I just hate the new one.

I just copied the program file from my old computer. You might be able to download it online.
Well, tried that but when I try to save it gives me this error:


"c:\Users\Tommy\Desktop.........\block.png
Paint Cannot save this file.
Save was interrupted, so your file has not been saved."

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on December 28, 2009, 04:05:04 am
I'm probably going to get bashed, but why go through trouble to get Paint on a computer? Use something decent instead?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Kren on December 28, 2009, 05:25:20 am
I'm probably going to get bashed, but why go through trouble to get Paint on a computer? Use something decent instead?
I understand :P, I use paint and graphic gale, paint for the sketches and final touches and graphic gale for the animations and color adjustment... still! I prefer paint it is waay too easy to use compared with other programs. Again if someone knows how to fix that error it would be really appreciated :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: CrazyMLC on December 28, 2009, 05:40:00 am
You can get Paint.NET, or search 'MS Paint xp' on google and find download links.
Its easy, all you need is the .exe, then run it like any other program.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on December 28, 2009, 05:53:53 am
You can get Paint.NET, or search 'MS Paint xp' on google and find download links.
I'd be cautious, that might be a good way to find some viruses. I'd much suggest dropping it from another computer or asking a friend online to send it to you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Kren on December 28, 2009, 06:25:36 am
You can get Paint.NET, or search 'MS Paint xp' on google and find download links.
I'd be cautious, that might be a good way to find some viruses. I'd much suggest dropping it from another computer or asking a friend online to send it to you.
k done that. and finally I am able to save :D ty alot.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Opacus on January 01, 2010, 01:51:30 am
Happy new year guys.

I got a question about ProMotion 5, not worth making a topic for though.
How do you select something? Seriously. Am I just a morron for not having figured out how to do this, or does ProMotion not have a selection box?
(It seems so illogical that it doesn't have one. Seeing as it's a proffesional program, and even Paint has this basic option)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dex on January 01, 2010, 06:06:37 am
Happy New Year, everyone! Let's hope 2010 brings even better things than 2009! :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on January 01, 2010, 06:33:43 am
HAPPY NEW YEARS YOU GUYS!!!!
Party hardy, safely!

Happy new year guys.

I got a question about ProMotion 5, not worth making a topic for though.
How do you select something? Seriously. Am I just a morron for not having figured out how to do this, or does ProMotion not have a selection box?
(It seems so illogical that it doesn't have one. Seeing as it's a proffesional program, and even Paint has this basic option)

Heh, I remember the first time I got Promotion I had the same basic question, being used to MS Paint's quirks. You're gonna' have to get used to the "animated brush" selection option(the dotted square) and the "freehand brush" selection option(the lasso) to take the place of the selection tool in Promotion. It's a bit jarring at first, but you'll get used to it within about 4-5 pieces. Trust me on this one, I'm a hardcore MS paint user, and Promotion is DEFINITELY friendly to ex-MSpaint users. It'll even get to the point, where Promotion may surpass your expectations of MSPaint. You'll become so used to hot-keys, that you'll be scratching your head when using mspaint, and finding that your left hand is hitting hot keys for no reason(in my experience, that's the one thing my brain keeps forgetting, when transitioning from PM to MSP)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Photocopier on January 01, 2010, 10:22:13 am
If you want to move something, after making the brush right click to delete what's underneath it. otherwise just use the brush to copy it for you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: JJ Naas on January 02, 2010, 05:33:54 pm
So much for the tenth Doctor. David Tennant was great, and the new series just got better season after season. Timothy Dalton was a good villain in the final episodes, that was a fun thing to see.

I'm very suspicious of this 11th emo-kid Doctor.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on January 02, 2010, 05:58:10 pm
In terms of Doctor Who all I have seen are the Tom Baker and Peter Davison years. Though I'm slowly making my way up to the current one. From what I've seen David Tennent seemed like a great doctor who because he is naturally bizarre. I think the new guy seems alright though, he's just not as quirky.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TomF on January 11, 2010, 08:27:37 pm
Anyone else played  VVVVVV (http://thelettervsixtim.es/) yet?

Just completed the demo. Game is awesome. Music is superb. I'm wondering how much more immersive it would be if graphics were to the standard of everything else. Still <3 it very much tho.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on January 12, 2010, 04:33:09 am
That was a pretty fun demo, the music was amazing I wonder if there is anywhere I can get some mp3s of it. I agree the graphics could have been a bit more interesting. I liked them though for the most part, I liked the naming of every room. I dunno why but I missed when video games did that.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 12, 2010, 01:11:03 pm
Woooooo, I fixed my 360!  ;D



Now I'm just left with this horrible feeling that the red ring will come back :D


edit-
I loved VVVVVV's demo, $20 NZD feels a little steep for the full game, but I might cave and buy it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on January 13, 2010, 05:56:27 am
Yours came back from the dead .TakaM? Mine died on 360's 4th year anniversary day. RROD.
How'd you fix it?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 13, 2010, 06:10:33 am
replaced the heat pads on the motherboard, they were all melted. :-X
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 13, 2010, 06:42:39 am
(http://www.locustleaves.com/mustachefrown.jpg)

This never stops being funny to do for me
(it's gone now, of course)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Stefano on January 13, 2010, 10:55:52 am
Haha! I do that too (and laugh every time).
Every tried the "Hulk Hogan (http://blogs.herald.com/.a/6a00d83451587d69e20120a4ef1d50970b-320wi)"? How about the "Katamari damacy (http://www.wii60.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/beautiful-katamari-2.jpg)" or the "vigilante (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2006_V_for_Vendetta/2006_v_for_vendetta_005.jpg)"?

Funny stuff.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: NaCl on January 13, 2010, 10:58:45 am
That mustache makes you look like there is a girl tied in your basement
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TomF on January 13, 2010, 04:24:45 pm
I've been tempted to buy a 360 but aren't they pretty much guaranteed to get red ring of death after a couple years?

That mustache makes you look like there is a girl tied in your basement
LOL!  :lol:
For Helm or anyone else who has ever had one, do people treat you differently when you grow a 'tache?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Photocopier on January 13, 2010, 04:32:22 pm
I've been tempted to buy a 360 but aren't they pretty much guaranteed to get red ring of death after a couple years?

don't let that stop you, I've had about five since I got mine (pretty much when it came out) and I've never had to pay anything for it, they've fixed it up and given me a month free xbox live every time.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 13, 2010, 04:45:45 pm
I've been tempted to buy a 360 but aren't they pretty much guaranteed to get red ring of death after a couple years?
Just get one. I've never gotten the RRoD and I've had mines for a little over a year. And if you do, they have an extended 3-year warranty for it. Just try to keep it well ventilated and cool(overheating warps the board and causes the RRoD).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jorund on January 13, 2010, 06:22:56 pm
One of the many reason of why I stopped watching pixel art on DeviantArt:
Kiss the Girl (http://spideyzgirl.deviantart.com/art/Kiss-the-Girl-149858773)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on January 14, 2010, 01:25:50 am
One of the many reason of why I stopped watching pixel art on DeviantArt:
Kiss the Girl (http://spideyzgirl.deviantart.com/art/Kiss-the-Girl-149858773)

Why is that even allowed on deviant art? Don't they take stuff like that down?

As for RRod, out of the 4 people I know who have an Xbox every single one of them has had it die atleast 3 times, my one friends Xboxes warranty recently ran out, this is his 5th time he's gotten the red ring and now he has to buy a new Xbox. He'd left it in a well ventilated area and his house was usually quite chilly. Judging from the horror stories I've heard from people with Xboxes I'd save your money. On the other hand, fixing Xboxes is a very good buisiness, my girlfriend worked at a second hand video game store and the business basically survived off of fixing Xboxes. It's amazing how many people are willing to shell out 80 bucks to not wait for 2-3weeks for their console to get fixed. (anywhere from 5-8 people a day)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: TomF on January 14, 2010, 07:47:55 am
If that doesn't get taken down, I've lost all hope for DeviantArt. ;(

don't let that stop you, I've had about five since I got mine (pretty much when it came out) and I've never had to pay anything for it, they've fixed it up and given me a month free xbox live every time.

It's cool that they give you a months free xbox live, :y: but 5 times is pretty excessive imo. I like to get max life out of everything, I mean I still play the PS2 and I've had that for about 7 years. Though supposedly in the newer Xboxes the problem has been resolved? And Jakten that's exactly what I don't want to happen, warrenty running out and having to buy a new one, or going back for repairs every month. Hassle hassle. I still really want one though.  :P

Speaking of things breaking, Wii no longer reads discs. Being sent in for repairs. :ouch: Ohh the irony.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on January 14, 2010, 09:52:49 am
My brother bought a new elite xbox about half a year ago (after his first one broke several times and then its warranty ran out) and he's already sent it back once, so I don't think the problem is fixed.

Best to check out the games you want and see if the majority of them are on the PS3, which as far as I know aren't nearly as prone to breakage, and the price is comparable now. Otherwise you're pretty much guaranteed to have to send it back for repair at some point.

Unless you are particularly set on the new gen consoles, go and buy some ps2 games off ebay you've never played, I guarantee there's a bunch of great games you've never even heard of.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jakten on January 14, 2010, 05:28:33 pm
Speaking of things breaking, Wii no longer reads discs. Being sent in for repairs. :ouch: Ohh the irony.

I've been concerned with my Wii doing that. Currently when I turn it on it sounds like a 747 taking off. Some times makes me worry that my discs are going to come out mangled.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 15, 2010, 02:49:50 am
Woooooo, RRoD is back :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on January 15, 2010, 03:18:45 am
I've been concerned with my Wii doing that. Currently when I turn it on it sounds like a 747 taking off. Some times makes me worry that my discs are going to come out mangled.

If you have an external harddrive or usb with more than 8 GB and an SD card it's fairly easy to set up an hd loader on the wii, and the only side effect is the inability to update the firmware. I did this and there were no ill effects, it still worked perfectly online to. And you should be fine legally so long as you only back up games you own. If you're interested either Google it or send me a PM and I'll help you out ;)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on January 20, 2010, 12:54:53 am
My first decent picture as a DJ. Party's nearly over in that picture, but it was a total riot before.

(http://www.game-designer.org/art/DJay!.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Froli on January 20, 2010, 06:08:47 am
apple tablet will probably announced this jan. 28.
I wonder how good and useful it is going to be :P
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on January 20, 2010, 03:57:21 pm
GAARG my laptop broke AARGG!!!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 22, 2010, 05:22:51 am
Wow, new Firefox 'Whats New?' page sucks now. Used to be so simple, with a single link to see in detail all the things added and fixed... now it links to video (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/video/?video=whatsnew-3.6) and page for convincing you to download Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/), even though I already have it? So ya... where can I find a list of the fixes/additions without viewing a video? This is making it harder to find out when they've finally added the filtering fix.

edit: nevermind, finally found them here: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/releasenotes/, and still doesn't look like the filter fix is in this version :(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on January 22, 2010, 08:03:23 am
The fix is in it, or at least in the pre-release versions I've been using.

EDIT: Just installed 3.6, definitely fixed, just add the following lines to usercontent.css


img[src$=".gif"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".png"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jorund on January 22, 2010, 12:01:00 pm
Wow, new Firefox 'Whats New?' page sucks now. Used to be so simple, with a single link to see in detail all the things added and fixed.

When I read your comment, first didn't get it, because I updated... I don't know, I think it was last week, and everything seemed good. Just updated to 1.6, and yes the new page sucks. They showed you this stupid personas thing which i hate. There is nothing showing NEW things in the what's new page. '
It looks more of a page to someone who never used firefox and just installed it.

PS: It worked perfectly! Thanks a lot :D

EDIT: If someone is not comfortable with the new tab behaviour (they open next to the active one, not at the end), change in about:config, tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent to false.
I had an Add-On that would do that, but is not yet updated to 3.6.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 22, 2010, 12:52:18 pm
EDIT: If someone is not comfortable with the new tab behaviour (they open next to the active one, not at the end), change in about:config, tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent to false.
I had an Add-On that would do that, but is not yet updated to 3.6.
HAHA. I was JUST looking through about:config for that. The new tab feature is so annoying and them not including an option in the... what, 5 or so checkboxes in options is pretty lazy. Thanks for that.

Just tried that fix out by adding a userContent.css file to my .../profiles/chrome/ directory, and it didn't seem to work :(

edit: Seems it does work, and I got the wrong directory! For those interested and can't find it, you'll want to be looking for something like this:
C:\Documents and Settings\Dusty\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\bfygf2z4.default\chrome
From there you'll be creating a file named userContent.css, if it doesn't already exist(you can either just copy/paste the example file they have, or just create a txt and rename it), and adding in what 32 posted.

This is such a happy day. I will have to retrain my mind to start using the pixelation zoom again!
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 22, 2010, 12:59:27 pm
Finally. Updated. Hope ImageZoom add-on gets updated for 3.6 soon too. I can deal with Pixelation zoomer, but I'm too used to middleclick+mousewheel nowadays.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on January 22, 2010, 01:08:27 pm
Assuming you're talking about this (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/139) particular add on, it is.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on January 22, 2010, 01:53:51 pm
Oohh. Aahh. Thanks.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: SirBilly on January 22, 2010, 08:23:11 pm
Yeah

http://kyucon.com/qblock/#/11844
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Gil on January 22, 2010, 09:59:43 pm
Quote
img[src$=".gif"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".png"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }

This doesn't work. To see why, look at this image, which is a PNG:

(http://filebox.me/files/tuh0tcbrf_new_project.PNG)

Temporary fix, add these lines:

Code: [Select]
img[src$=".GIF"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".PNG"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }

I'm sure there's a better way, but I can't be bothered to find out :)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on January 23, 2010, 01:11:48 am
Quote
img[src$=".gif"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".png"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }

This doesn't work. To see why, look at this image, which is a PNG:

(http://filebox.me/files/tuh0tcbrf_new_project.PNG)

Temporary fix, add these lines:

Code: [Select]
img[src$=".GIF"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".PNG"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }

I'm sure there's a better way, but I can't be bothered to find out :)
I posted about that on pixel joint a short while ago.
http://pixeljoint.com/2009/06/15/2859/Fix_Firefox.htm

I've noticed a couple other instances that have failed. For example, somebody posted a gif with a jpg ending(it was a tinypic). It had filtering applied to it. I've also noticed some strangeness when someone posts a photbucket image with some id number stuff after the .png.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 23, 2010, 03:40:35 am
Well if you want you can just be non-specific about it:
img { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }

It will apply nearest-neighbor to all images that aren't at 100%. I'm probably just going to go with that, to simplify things, but those who may want to have it applied to jpegs and such might not like such a solution.

You can also do this:
img[src$=".gif"], img[src$=".GIF"], img[src$=".png"], img[src$=".PNG"] { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
To compress things a little.

You might also be able to pull something like this off:
img { image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges; -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; }
img[src$=".jpg"], img[src$=".JPG"], img[src$=".jpeg"], img[src$=".JPEG"] { image-rendering: auto; -ms-interpolation-mode: bicubic; }

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 23, 2010, 11:57:35 am
FINALLY, I can't believe this took so damn long, I really hate a lot of the new 'features' they don't give you a simple option to turn off too.

Don't even get me started on replacing the URL bar with this new "Location Bar" >:(
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: politopo on January 23, 2010, 01:09:40 pm
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
ok I will stop
(Yes!)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Arne on January 23, 2010, 03:05:29 pm
Just upgraded to 3.6. Remembered and old post of mine:

I made a test page (http://androidarts.com/crisp/firefox_crisp_scaling.htm) using this page (https://developer.mozilla.org/En/CSS/Image-rendering) as a reference. Note that the top lest corner of the blurred image will be crisp because the image is cropped there. The right side has some air (a white edge) and is thus blurry.

The gif is indeed crisp for me now :)

I wish that I had enough beard to grow a Van Dyke or sideburns up around the upper lip.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: crab2selout.png on January 23, 2010, 05:22:31 pm
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=9812.0
Here's one of those images with the tag info after the filetype that cause the filter settings to $&#$ up. Turns out it was tinypic again.

So the image filter works out great, except under a couple instances if it's from tinypic. Maybe we should just ban tinypic :P

It's annoying because I'd like to keep the filter working on jpgs and those sorts of files. Does anyone know a way of writing the usercontent file so it doesn't get tripped up by the tag info appearing after the ".png" part
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Dusty on January 23, 2010, 05:34:34 pm
It's not just firefox though, as I can't even zoom into it. People just need to learn how to copy the direct link, I guess.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on January 25, 2010, 12:48:43 am
has anybody went trough this with firefox PORTABLE? that's what I use and I'm not sure I have the right "userchrome" I have a "userChrome-example" which I renamed into userchrome and added the instruction to...but nothing seemed to happen.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 32 on January 25, 2010, 04:28:26 am
You want to be using userContent, not userChrome, same folder, just rename it.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: .TakaM on January 27, 2010, 07:29:00 am
Replaced the X clamps and the heat paste in my 360, it's working again, but let's see how long for...
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 7321551 on February 02, 2010, 01:04:57 pm
Just bought Pro Motion.

Is there a way to animate tiles? for instance, a sea tile? I've checked the documentation.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Conzeit on February 02, 2010, 08:08:45 pm
A Pixelart comic

http://www.nofna.com/?T=1-1-15-10

I guess there's not much pixel-level detail going on, so I guess the average dude would call it a Paintbrush comic....but I'd let it pass as pixelart :p
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 02, 2010, 10:40:15 pm
Is this a comic though? Is there a narrative?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on February 02, 2010, 10:44:01 pm
Is there a narrative?

If this refers to Camus, no. If this refers to the comic, yes.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Starscream on February 04, 2010, 06:27:49 am
Didn't want to post it to get C+C, but I liked how it turned out.
(http://imgur.com/hEvv4.png)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Helm on February 04, 2010, 12:33:32 pm
It's nice, but *ghasp, critique!* the number and symbol are too antialiased.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Smash on February 06, 2010, 06:22:50 am
I am wondering if someone knows how to change  the paint program in windows 7 to windows xp paint program D: I just hate the new one.
Same thing here, but I miss my old Windows Vista non-AA'ed brush sizes..  :yell:


Can this be done, and if so, where can I find it on my old pc?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: 9_6 on February 06, 2010, 06:47:24 am
Get graphics gale.
The free version should be able to do everything paint can do and more.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Smash on February 06, 2010, 07:06:34 am
Forgot to say im an epic Ms Paint mindless fanboy.  :y:


In reality, I'd prefer any program having the "hold the left/right mouse button and while at it, instant undo by pressing the opposite one" feature, as well as the dual mouse button painting commands.

Other programs might have the fanciest of features, but if they lack the two I mentioned above, then I simply consider them obsolete. After all, everything I need to pixel is a good ol' brush and a trusty zoom.


But the problem remains unsolved -can I get my Vista back?  :'(

Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on February 06, 2010, 07:37:20 am
I think the old saying "beggars can't be choosers" applies here.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jorund on February 06, 2010, 03:01:23 pm
Forgot to say im an epic Ms Paint mindless fanboy.  :y:


In reality, I'd prefer any program having the "hold the left/right mouse button and while at it, instant undo by pressing the opposite one" feature, as well as the dual mouse button painting commands.

Other programs might have the fanciest of features, but if they lack the two I mentioned above, then I simply consider them obsolete. After all, everything I need to pixel is a good ol' brush and a trusty zoom.


But the problem remains unsolved -can I get my Vista back?  :'(



You could try downloading it, or ask some friend with Windows Vista or less to copy the exe for you.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: McClaneGames on February 06, 2010, 03:59:28 pm
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-the-good-old-ms-paint-without-ribbons-working-in-windows-7/

First result on Google for "get old mspaint on windows 7."
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jorund on February 06, 2010, 04:02:22 pm
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-the-good-old-ms-paint-without-ribbons-working-in-windows-7/

First result on Google for "get old mspaint on windows 7."

I run into the same page :P, that's why I suggested asking someone who has Vista to copy it. Then I realized I could just copy my Windows XP version to him :P and send it via PM.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Smash on February 06, 2010, 07:48:04 pm
Yeah, sure. Google.

I searched for hours before asking, tried replacing exe and mui files, deleted the old mspaint.exe after working out the permissions, and even downloaded mods to see if I could work this out, but nothing brought results.

It just comes up with the "Could not open a document" error message..


Seems like im gonna have to settle with Pro motion then.  :n:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Pawige on February 06, 2010, 08:15:08 pm
You'll get used to it, and in a few weeks, you'll never believe that you used to prefer such a clunky, slow, unfriendly program.  :y:
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on February 09, 2010, 01:43:55 pm
Wow I just had an incredible dream. Only just woke up and ran down to my desk to write it down and turned on the pc. Literally my entire vision was a very low resolution 8-bit/1-bit adventure game. It involved a party of characters, each with their own abilities which you could switch between. Some had more health, some could crouch to get into tight spaces. I think at the start it had more resolution and more detail - for example I found a disguise in a lift (just a jacket and trousers) and later a polaroid photo that was important to the story. Later on the background was black - the character was 1 colour and it was pretty much a platformer with pivots and fire. Although you could get items, for example a pink square, which would make you immune to pink fire.  :crazy:

I'm trying to write all the ideas down but it's just becoming less epic as I lose the memory.  :n:

Pixel art has become a subconscious obsession! Just thought i'd share.  :D
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Lizzrd on February 09, 2010, 01:52:29 pm
 :(

Why don't I get to have awesome dreams?
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jorund on February 09, 2010, 02:02:26 pm
:(

Why don't I get to have awesome dreams?

Maybe you do, but you just forget them. Do what Larwick did with his dream, write down every little piece you remember of them (when you do remember something), and you'll gradually start to remember more and more. When you are a dream saavi, you'll even have the chance to control them sometimes.

That's what I read :P
And for a couple of weeks I was able to do it, then I stop having a notebook near my bed and stop writing, so... everything fade away. :/
I should start again, one time I had a kind of out of body experience. I could not only see my body laying in bed sleeping, I could touch my arm and lift it. Then some kind of dragon enter the bedroom and ... the end. I hate when that happens.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Larwick on February 09, 2010, 02:23:02 pm
:(

Why don't I get to have awesome dreams?
]

Eat cheese before bed, it makes you sleep better and can enhance your dreams. Lol.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-362101/Sweet-dreams-cheese.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-362101/Sweet-dreams-cheese.html)
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Lizzrd on February 09, 2010, 04:25:42 pm
I will try.

Lol, cheddar makes you dream about celebs.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: ArcherofLight on February 11, 2010, 03:19:05 am
Alright. I'm in need of a good rant, so here goes:

   I just started doing WarHammer 40000, and have been extremely happy sitting here painting and building Tau Fire Warriors. The drones were th easiest, and I'm not entirely sure how to do the commander's head. I have two paint styles, I'd show you guys but at the moment I don't have any way of taking pictures.

   I also just found out that I got into the IB program, or International Baccalaureate, which is the most advanced educational program available. Where I am, less that 100 students make it in each year, not counting people who join in tenth grade, and this year the number is exactly 49. Meaning I am VERY lucky. I probably wont be doing much spriting or anything now, because I'll be working really hard. As far as i know, none of my friends will be in it, and I'll be the only student from my middle school in the program, at least for another year.

   I'm also selling cookie dough for a band fundraiser, PM me with your name and address if you want cookies. I'll give you a list of cookie dough types, and when you choose I'll need you to send a check filled out to Northglenn Middle School. After about the 28th or so, maybe as late as half-way through March, I'll mail you cookies made from the cookie dough you chose(we can't mail frozen cookie dough, the 'waiting area' we have to ship through is un-air conditioned and really freaking hot).
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: Jad on February 11, 2010, 05:24:58 pm
I realize I sometimes have incredibly exciting dreams but I'm just in a state in my life where I can't appreciate it.

I can dream about being a ninja being shot off by a catapult sneaking around on rooftops in some kind of grand scheme and it still feels mundane because that's just my general mood in teh LIEF at the moment.

Recently, though, I dreamed me and my family were flying through space and holy crap it was awesome and space was pretty radical yo. Very empty and vast. Also very crowded when I think about it but still. Space <3

So yes. Sometimes I have awesome dreams but I can't appreciate them

Sometimes I just have dreams about, I dunno, meeting a fictional person and I'm in a state where I'm immensely touched by it ...

for me how I experience my dreams has a lot to do with ... how my inner workings decide to interpret them.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: huZba on February 11, 2010, 06:01:25 pm
Sometimes i constantly dose off in the bus, every time waking up from a different dream. It feels like time works very differently when dreaming.... like you can wake up from a dream that has a half an hour of memories, but it's really just taken a few minutes. It's a VERY bizarre feeling when it happens a few times in a row.

Space stuff is always welcome, yup. Recently i dreamed about doing a kamehameha..... which was totally awesome and stuffz.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: blumunkee on February 11, 2010, 06:20:36 pm
I had a dream last night. It stared with parachuting buses, evolved into a prank involving speaking the word "douching" over an air port PA, and ended with someone getting arrested. Oh, and the parachuting scene had kick ass metal music playing.
Title: Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
Post by: The B.O.B. on February 11, 2010, 06:37:49 pm
   I'm not sure if I'm just that forgetful, but sometimes I feel like when I dream it's about a 5 min. black out, and I wake up the next day to continue with the mundane life I live. And if I do dream, I've noticed how the general theme of my dream is constantly changing. I always found this strange, and wondered why the brain does this.
   When I'm in my supposed conscious state, I'm getting full control over my actions, and have somewhat control over things around me; but in dream state, I'm just a part of a larger state of chaos. The story has no plot, and my actions don't have mirrored reality reactions. I wonder why this is? I would think that given enough time, a person's brain would develop to understand rules, and implement them into our bra