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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 01:09:53 pm

Title: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 01:09:53 pm
Hi everyone !

I was thinking about my handle, FrostPumpkin, and I thought it would be cool to represent it in pixels, and get a proper avvy btw

Here it is, but I'm not happy with the ice AT ALL.
I made some test about colors, don't take attention of the green ice xD

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7779/frostpumpkinaj2.png) (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3382/frostpumpkingreenje6.png) (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3774/frostpumpkintestyq3.png) (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6816/frostpumpkintest1yx8.png)

I will try to make it more transparent, maybe ?

Thanks
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: ptoing on August 22, 2008, 01:43:20 pm
I would suggest giving the eyes and the cut out teeth some actual depth, show the thickness of the pumpkin.

Also, if you will use it as an avatar here I would flip it horizontally, so that it looks towards the forum and not away.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 01:59:16 pm
Thanks Ptoing, I was thinking about rotate it horizontally, and this is right, it's more effective  :y:

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2210/frostpumpkin1kt9.png)

made the pumpkin more thick and tried to show the transparency of the ice (tell me if it doesn't work).
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AlexHW on August 22, 2008, 02:17:48 pm
looks more like some sort of mineral crystalization growing out of it..
i'd suggest blending the ice in a way so that it seems as if it is lightly coating the surface of the pumpkin, or looks like it has melted over the face but froze again in the process.. cuz at the moment, it seems seperate from the pumpkin, almost like hair or a jagged helmet..
good stuff so far, i'm liking the color.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: Oltar on August 22, 2008, 03:07:35 pm
I think the ice itīs doesnīt work. The ice is very complicated to draw.
Here you can see a lot of ice, check this cinematic http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/intro.xml maybe inspire you to make a good ice.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: turfsurfer on August 22, 2008, 03:53:58 pm
with the new transparent areas, instead of just having the orange show through use a color thats part way between the color of the pumpkin and the ice, the way it is now makes it seem as if there are holes or something.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: PypeBros on August 22, 2008, 04:15:19 pm
having the pumpkin itself ice-blue would maybe help (?)
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 04:42:05 pm
Hi, I've made some new tests about colors, especially on the pumpkin itself.

(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/8065/frostpumpkintest3yi4.png)
But this one looks more like a crystal pumpkin.

(http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4315/frostpumpkintest4cw3.png)

(http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3763/frostpumpkintest5lj3.png)

I might should remake the ice, but I don't have the motivation to do it right now. I know I shloud but I can really represent ice on this pumpkin.

Thanks
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AlexHW on August 22, 2008, 04:44:02 pm
the ice shouldnt be casting such harsh shadows.. the ice should help illuminate the pumpkin due to how light refracts within the ice.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: Ian on August 22, 2008, 05:19:26 pm
Originals with orange pumpkin are considerably better because:
1) It's four times as readable (instant understanding that this is a pumpkin we're looking at)
2) Blue + Orange = Compliments which is definitely more pleasing to the eye

This seems like a very tricky project to render properly and I wish you the best of luck.  Great effort so far but don't go in that latest post's direction at all.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: tomblifter on August 22, 2008, 05:21:22 pm
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4492/pumpkingx8.png)
The red part looks bad on the pumpkin. Not the colors, the shape. It looks too curvy.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AdamAtomic on August 22, 2008, 06:11:03 pm
Last 3 posts are all great crits, I think if you ease up on the shadows, go back to orange and blue, and stick to crystalline shapes you will have something really, really awesome on your hands (its already pretty sweet) - great work so far!
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 07:37:25 pm
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/923/frostpumpkintest1lc6.png)

@Tomblifter : I like this part of the pumpkin, it makes it kinda cute

@adam : Thanks  :D
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AlexHW on August 22, 2008, 08:09:26 pm
i think part of the problem is that the ice itself ,the form of it doesn't make much sense content wise. i mean.. why is it jagged and pointing upwards? ice doesn't form like that on objects.. hence it looks more like a mineral.
you could for instance, put some green gnarly vines/stem with a few leaves in some creative way and put the ice originating from off the stem and flow downwards somehow and onto the pumpkin.. the addition o fthe green should be alright with the other secondary colors orange/purple.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 09:46:07 pm
(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4033/frostpumpkintigefeuillexd4.png)

It does look good to me, is it better than before ?
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AlexHW on August 22, 2008, 10:09:31 pm
its more interesting now, yes.. i think you are trying not to change the ice though.. its not going to get any better if you aren't willing to drastically change the ice. sometimes getting rid of something good allows you to attain something greater (you might have grown attached to the work you already put into the ice, atleast that is my perspective).

edit: read you said you were unmotivated.. i suggest just forcing yourself to do some redoing of the ice and eventually you'll be over the fact of redoing it and actually doing it.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 22, 2008, 10:16:50 pm
Yes, that's it, I'm rather conservative about the ice because I tried many times to get something decent.
Also, I really can't figure out HOW I will remake the ice. I have no real idea about how would look a cracked ice bloc on a pumpkin.
Maybe I ask a lot, but an edit would help me considerably to find the direction I should take with it.

Thanks
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: AlexHW on August 22, 2008, 10:20:27 pm
i have to leave work right now, so maybe tomarrow i might be able to give it  shot(or someone else can), but you may want to try just doing some experimenting by doing a bunch of small scale ice tests/studies.. basically to figure out what works.. also find references if you havent already..
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: willfaulds on August 23, 2008, 09:33:25 am
i'm going to throw these potential references in here;

http://www.goodearthgraphics.com/virtcave/ice_formations/iceforms.html
http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/PhotoAlbums/photos/images/PowerShot/large_img_0011.html

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=499.msg40327#msg40327 (you're ice rendering reminds me of this)
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: Larwick on August 23, 2008, 05:33:38 pm
It might be an idea to add some water droplets or signs of melting ice somewhere on the pumpkin, to give a stronger impression of ice rather than crystals. More wet-ness.

I really love this though FrostPump, looks awesome.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 24, 2008, 09:59:35 am
Hi, as you said Lar, I placed some water droplets here and there :

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5231/frostpumpkintigefeuillekk0.png)

And tried tu put some stalactites, dunno if it's better ...

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/705/frostpumpkintigefeuillerq3.png)

It does look more frozen but I liked the eyes better as it was before.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: Helm on August 24, 2008, 11:11:15 am
Pretty awesome color mixing here! I think you need to have less dithering, or to say, more 'solid color to dither' ratio mainly on the jaw. I never liked dithering touching an outline and I believe flat colors would help a bit there to visually clarify. The actual ice and reflections of the pumpkin in it are ace as far as I can tell.

I would also suggest just putting black inside the eyes and in parts of the mouth, more darkness, to signify more depth.
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: FrostPumpkin on August 24, 2008, 12:47:33 pm
Yes, the dithering on the jaw was harsh. Now it's better, smoother I think. Also added black in the mouth and the eyes.

(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4103/frostpumpkintigefeuillezn9.png)

Thanks Helm  :D

EDIT : redid the leaves (http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3975/frostpumpkintigefeuillens1.png)
Title: Re: FrostPumpkin
Post by: Helm on August 24, 2008, 09:47:03 pm
should the two droplets on the forehead be so symmetrical?