Pixelation
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Panda on June 20, 2008, 06:44:06 am
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Since the other one was getting too long, here we go with a new one (We had it since New Years!).
As always keep it clean, have fun and don't spam!
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dibs.
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I grew a mustache!
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/ben2theedge/n42504186_31301654_1597.jpg)
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Awesome. You've just obtained ultimate sleaze ball points... :y:
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Mario Kart Wii, I'm sure some of you guys have it
1161-0632-5026
you scratch mine...
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Jim has reached level 17!
+0 to all stats!
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Happy Wombescapeday, Opacus!
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LEVEL UP! *blink!* : Ben receives the new level modifier of 'General Discussion' town reputation: Idolized.
*gzzt!*
+1 KARMA FOR A COMB-O-'STACHE! ;)
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guitar hero on c64, I want to play it now :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52gcC3Sn-Gw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52gcC3Sn-Gw)
I don't know if any of you looked for this video, I just discovered it today...
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shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits. :'(
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What's up, Rydin?
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since f u c k == v u c k, you should rather say: zhit biss vuck kunt kockzucker mothervucker dits.
what's happening?
Guitar Hero on C=64!? oh my--!
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shit piss vuck cunt cocksucker mothervucker tits. :'(
George Carlin passed away late Sunday, this was his most famous standup routine, and ended up going to the Supreme Court.
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I chased an ant around the kitchen with a broom for half an hour. :P
In other world news I am composed of 4.9% fat. (annual wellness report from the high school)
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Cosmigo Pro Motion 6.0 is out
http://www.cosmigo.com/promotion/index.php
Anyone already buyed it (Ptoing is betatester I think)? Can anybody which owns it upload the “history.txt” or just copy&paste the part from the 6.0 changes? I'm not really sure if I need the upgrade and it's nothing written about the small bugfixed and tunings. I'm really interested in reading it before buying.
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hmmm "unlimited undo/redo" Sounds great. But so far, I find that I have enough undo/redo as it is.. in fact I thought it was already unlimited..Anyone know the limit?
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hmmm "unlimited undo/redo" Sounds great. But so far, I find that I have enough undo/redo as it is.. in fact I thought it was already unlimited..Anyone know the limit?
'Something around 30-50 or so I think.
The better colour functions sound attractive.
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PM 5.1 had 128 undo steps, and not everything got taken into account (stuff like changing the palette, resizing and such was NOT undoable, now is).
And yes, I was one of the betatesters.
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Is Pro Motion much better than Graphics Gale? Or is it just preference. ::)
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I tested it today, very happy from this new version, the new icon is very fun.
the only problem for me is the new layer system. It's not very clear to use layers like what we can do with photoshop. We can use the "L" button to enable/disable the layer composition of the frames or the animations. ???
Glad to see the isometric grid and the palette editor plugin integrated.
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Is Pro Motion much better than Graphics Gale? Or is it just preference. ::)
The 80 dollar version has a lot of unique feature not in any other program. 20 dollar is pretty much the same as GG (And I personally say the GG interface is superior ;)).
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I want a mac port for promotion....
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FEAR THE SPRITES!
(http://www.holoscience.com/news/img/Sprites.jpg)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=cc6y424y
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the new icon is very fun.
. . . and the new splash screen is waaay cool! :)
it seems that color conservation is easier to handle now, I'm trying it right now.
and as for drawing modes, I think there were too many even in the 5.0 version.
Can anybody which owns it upload the “history.txt” or just copy&paste the part from the 6.0 changes? I'm not really sure if I need the upgrade and it's nothing written about the small bugfixed and tunings. I'm really interested in reading it before buying.
voila!
Major Changes from 5.1 to 6.0
* The layer data can be exported into a range of image files. This way it is possible to create images and animations
with more than 256 color and alpha.
* The light table submenu entries in the main menu animation have been renamed to focus more on layers in common. They have
been moved to a main menu called "Layers".
* New paint mode "Multi Cycle" added. It tries to find the color in a gradient. If it is found then the next/previous
color in this gradient used.
* There is now a global brush container as well as project specific containers.
* Auto backup can be set up in the project settings.
* New Option 'Dot Lines' in the lock grid settings.
If enabled then lines are drawn dotted where each dot is placed on a matching grid cross point.
* Settings for fill tool have been reorganized. There is a new option called "isolated" which does a flood fill as before.
If unchecked the whole frame is scanned for matching color (ranges) and filled.
* When using the key shortcuts for zoom in/out the canvas now remains centered.
* Within the projects tab-list the project name is only displayed if there is a project file or if it's
a new project (no image/animation file name present).
* Integration of AnimStrip-PNGs
* The resize dialog has been extended by "add brush width/height" buttons. Some rearranging of controls has been done, too.
* The function "Colors->Remove Colors->Compact" now moves the pixels according to the
palette colors without doing a color remap.
* Workaround added concerning the following WinXP/SP2-Bug: If you have a file on desktop and move your
mouse on it within a file open/save dialog then a tool tip appears. If you close the file dialog and
reopen it to let the tool tip show the application crashes. Actually Windows crashes since the Windows
notepad application has the same problem.
* Holding SHIFT when using the insert frame button, will insert the frame after the current one.
* new Paint Mode "Formula" added. The user may define a collection of mathematical formulas to modify
pixel color index, RGB or HSB channels.
* BugFix: When flipping a brush on the x or y axis and then doubling or halving the
image the flip that was previously performed was undone.
* The color tile mapping (menu Colors) now uses an overlay indication layer within the magnify window
to show errors. The error indication colors have been changed to be blue if a tile uses wrong colors
but can be repaired and red if it can not be repaired without reorganizing palettes.
* A full screen magnify mode was added. It can be toggled using 'U'.
* When using the pipette tool holding ALT and using the mouse button will replace the underlying color
with foreground/background color.
* The canvas mover tool can be activated temporarily by holding SHIFT+ALT.
* BugFix: When working with an additional monitor connected to a laptop then the subtool palette selection
windows (e.g. filled/hollow circle) opened at the wrong monitor screen.
* Lock grid settings will be forwarded to all open projects that have not been stored as
project file yet. This way you can work with global settings for non-project files (direct manipulation
of animation and image files). Latest settings are loaded on application restart.
* Grid settings can be stored as default. There is also a set of predefined grid settings.
* The colors of the pattern used to indicate transparent areas can be set up in the preferences.
* The transparent color of a project can now be determined automatically using the "Auto" button besides the
transparent color indicator.
* The new project dialog has a new preset resolution list. The file "resolutions.txt" is loaded to fill this
preset list. The file format is simple. Every text line contains an entry of <WIDTH>x<HEIGHT>
* The Copy Palette function (menu Colors) has been improved to copy complete palettes or color ranges to single or
multiple projects.
* Auto Tile Completion has been removed and a new Tile Mapping Engine has been included, supporting tile libary, optimization,
tile mirorring, in place drawing of tiles and maps, import and export of different formats including Gameboy Cel, Pal, Map
* When using mouse wheel for zooming the position that is pointed to when starting to use the mouse wheel is used as
zoom center until the mouse is moved. This way you can zoom straight to the current mouse position or you can zoom
to different positions by moving the mouse while using the mouse wheel.
* The lock grid settings now also work with line tools. That means dots are only placed on lock grid points.
* BugFix: If a lock grid of eg 2x1 was used with the "Correct rectangular brush cutting" then
a 2x2-brush was created instead of 2x1
* A new menu entry was added: Brush->AnimBrush->Grab all Frames as Brush
* When having an image/animation with simple transparency then saving as a file format supporting alpha
(TGA 24/32, BMP24/32, PNG 24/32) will turn the simple transparency into alpha values 0 (transparent) and 255 (opaque).
* A button for the canvas crop tool was added to the tool box. In exchange the menu entry Frame->Crop was removed.
* A button to enable/disable mask was added to the toolbox. In exchange the small icon besides the paint mode display
was removed.
* Win2000/XP file open/save dialogs have been included. Now you can quickly access "my documents", "desktop"...
* Printing has been reworked. Now you can define the number of frames per page, resolution etc. .
* The draw grid supports a new "pattern grid". You can draw a based on certain rules to define any type
of repeating grid pattern. This way you can define isometric grids, even octagon grids or even more
sophisticated ones. Use CTRL+ALT+F1...F8 to toggle visibility of a grid layer.
* The draw grid can now be made up of different grid layers. This way you can have different grids for
tiles, certain areas, blocks
* The menu entry Colors->Sort was removed because sorting can now be done using the floating
color palette window
* A new popup menu has been added besides the tabbed project bar to see more projects
* The current window positions are stored and reloaded after restart. This mode is overridden by
saving the window positions manually using Options->Windows->Save Positions/Sizes
* The former Dither paint mode is now a separate option that can be used together with other paint modes.
Dithering now divides between left and right mouse button usage. This way you can draw with foreground
and background color using for "on" and "off" dither pixels to easily mix colors.
* Paint mode settings are now floating. They can stay open if needed.
* Emergency backups will be created automatically if an internal software error occurs.
* Flood fill mode solid color has been removed, because normal paint mode can be used instead.
* Paint modes darken/brighten have been joined to "Brightness". Left mouse button increases and right mouse button decreases.
* "Save all modified projects" was included.
* Light table has been improved to better support multiple physical layers (one project=one layer --> true layering besides onion skinning).
Also there is a mode that supports for using each frame as a separate layer.
* For quicker access the mouse wheel options have been moved from preferences to the main window.
* ALT-Backspace and CTRL+Backspace fill the frame with current foreground background color. The clear frame command (toolbox) now uses either
the globally selected background color of the project (project settings) or the current background color.
* When using the pipette tool then holding SHIFT and left/right mouse click will select/deselect the color in the palette editor.
* When closing the application the currently open files will be stored as session data. On next startup these files can
be reloaded automatically.
* Shortcut Ctrl+Alt+X removes the current pixel column under the cursor. Shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+Y removes the current pixel row under the cursor.
Useful for fast rearranging graphic snippets drawn an a single frame.
* A new floating palette editor was included that was available as plugin for V5.1. Functions include:
- select single colors, linear and square ranges
- selected colors may be moved, swapped, inserted, flipped, inverted...
- copy & paste to other projects/frames
- web color edit
- contrast/brightness change
- display/select unused colors
- sorting
* Some keyboard shortcuts have been redefined. See help file.
* In the animated brush settings there is a new option to automatically rewind and animated brush after
drawing.
* The brush container has been enlarged to have 256 slots to store brushes.
* The project tabs have a context menu to close or save projects. The tabs can be moved using drag/drop
* A project may now have a size of 32768 * 32768 pixels and 9999 frames. Of course the actual size is limited
by the amount of memory that is available.
* In the preferences you can now save and load shortcut preferences. This way you can define shortcuts and take it to
other machines to be loaded there.
* The drawing grid can load brush sizes for additional rule definitions (see grid settings dialog).
* The settings for most tools of the tool box are now floating dialogs. A settings dialog opens when you right click on a tool (as usual).
But the dialog can stay open while using the tool. You may also close it again or move it around. The position of each dialog can be changed and
is stored for the next redisplay.
* Displays with zoom smaller 1:1 is now possible in animation and magnify window.
* Magnify window and animation window have been redesigned to show zoom slider and transparency pattern.
* The options for saving window positions (menu Options/Windows) have been changed to be two independent slots (normal and alternative).
The alternative slot isn't automatically used now when zooming but must be selected manually.
* When drawing the canvas will be moved only if tools are used that need multiple selection points (circle, line, rectangle...).
Also the movement is increases the more the mouse exceeds the canvas.
* A new brush menu entry to get the whole frame as brush was added.
* The canvas mover tool was added to the toolbox in replace for the stencil which is now available
via the mask menu and mask tool button.
* BugFix: Under Win98 saved BMP files contained wrong palette colors.
* New commands have been added to the plugin interface.
* A new Anti-Aliasing algorithm has been created to replace the two algorithms that have been used yet.
* The undo history has no given limit anymore. It's only limited by memory or disk space.
* All functions that modify bitmap or color data, can now be made undone, even if they affect more that one frame.
* Swap foreground/background color (menu Color) respects the selected mask.
* When storing the brush container into a file then it will remember the displayed frame of animated brushes after
reloading.
* When using the paint mode "Shade" then the colors are shifted when moving to the next pixel. Up to now shifting was done
as soon as the mouse moves even when staying at the same zoomed pixel.
* When using a certain paint mode then the right mouse button does the inverted operation where possible instead of just always drawing
with the background color.
* The background color that can be defined when creating a new project is now used as preset for functions like clearing the screen
or the new "Erase" paint mode. It can be modified using the project settings.
* True masking is now possible. The previous stencil mask can still be used via menu Mask->Create from Colors. The stencil
data is automatically stored with the project. There is an option to update the stencil on frame switch.
* The new Paint Mode "Erase" can be used to draw with the background color or transparency.
Project has no transparency:
left mouse button= foreground color
right mouse button= background color
Project has simple transparency:
left mouse button= transparent color
right mouse button= current background color
Project has alpha transparency:
left mouse button= decrease alpha by pressure
right mouse button= set zero alpha and draw with current background color
* When using zooming with the mouse wheel then the image is centered under the mouse
cursor after using the mouse wheel.
* Project data is now stored as a single compressed PMP-File. The additional files created in the past (pmd, brc) are not needed anymore.
* A new menu entry was added: File->Save all modified. It will save all modified projects. If you are just working on image or
animation files without project files then this will recognized.
* When saving images as true color (with or without alpha) then a palette file is stored optionally (see project settings).
This way you can work on true color files by keeping the color palette. When loading such a true color image then
the separate palette file is loaded, too and the colors are mapped to it.
* Within the project settings the options to minimize the color depth (BMP, PNG) have been merged to a single option.
TGA and GIF now use this option, too.
* The function File->Animation->Load to position has been removed. Loading an animation file and placing at a certain
position can be achieved by loading as AnimBrush and stamping down holding ALT. This method is more handy to use
and more flexible.
* Icons and cursors are now always saved with 256 colors or true color with alpha (32bit).
* 32 bit BMP files are recognized to contain RGBA values when loading and saving.
* All File import/export functions have been reorganized to show alphabetically and to support indexed and true color mode with alpha
or via separate alpha file.
* New option in the preferences to hide startup splash screen.
* BugFix: On the floating palette the saturation got sometimes lost when switching between HSB and RGB mode
* Palette display has been removed from the main window (upper panel) because the floating palette window
does the job
* Color palette sorting on brightness sorts from dark to bright now instead bright to dark
* Alpha support has been integrated throughout the application by using color and alpha layer separation. This new feature
introduces a couple of new functions and modes.
* Icon were added to the upper main form info panel area to switch Auto Tile Completion feature and Spare Frame Mask.
* BugFix: 256 byte sized or smaller image files (i.e. PNG) could not be loaded.
* The paint mode "dither" now recognizes the background color to be the second dither color.
* Within the preferences the optional hints and questions that are set to "don't show again"
can be reset. Default settings can be applied, too.
* The new function Colors->Remove Colors->Compact was added. It will delete all color
indexes that are not used. This way the palette is compacted.
* When adding a frame to a single image then the user is asked if a global palette is to be used for
the animation or not.
* In the preferences section "Windows" the "Auto-resize image/animation after loading" has been removed.
it's been a little. . . ;)
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Thanks alot, Skurwy! Very interesting read. Pretty sure to buy it when going into the field (lots of useful stuff, alpha support for example), but currently 5.1 will do
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(stuff like changing the palette, resizing and such was NOT undoable, now is).
Oh yes please. ;D
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PH33R CONCEIT THE CROSSPOSTING BASTARD
MEGAMAN/ Japanese Anime Gif FANS REJOICE!
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EG_GnjntufY/default.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG_GnjntufY
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/u4D25DTON-Y/default.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4D25DTON-Y
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hdr_gc_Z3SU/default.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr_gc_Z3SU
Remember those B&W Anime Gifs that used to be about chickens shitting explosive eggs? it seems now they are AMVs with original graphics and audio....and these feature the geekiest Megaman mishaps you could possibly imagine =O
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:y: Those were decent. I really thought the last one you linked was good. Great music too, and I'm not a fan of most J-rock. :>
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woman attacked with fork (http://my.earthlink.net/article/str?guid=20080626/48631440_3ca6_1552620080626313840213)
I love the news. ;D
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So.. Diablo 3, then. http://eu.blizzard.com/diablo3/ (http://eu.blizzard.com/diablo3/) The best vibes on that site I got out of the concept art section. So tasty.
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Diablo 3.. nice screenshots!
I've been searching for a good light-weight drawing/painting program and found this awesome program:
Paint Tool SAI
http://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/
Anyone used it? It's just awesome. I was going to go for Opencanvas but this one feels better.
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Hooray birthdays, I'm finally 18 :crazy:
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god... finally Diablo III... :'( (crying for happyness). I'll need for a new pc, damn.
...happy birthday Xion!
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KICK ASS Conceit! Though, the first video brought back the nigthmares... the horror..... gutsman, elecman stages, the blob monster, that little bastard never giving anything useful...
Diablo 3. Looks nice. Great concept art. Lately i've been more interested in the art of new games rather than the games themselves.
Xion! Happy birthday!
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Hm, anyone feel like taking some screenshots of Pro Motion 6.0? I have already purchased the upgrade but I haven't gotten it in the mail yet (it said it could take a couple of business days) so I'm getting anxious to see what it looks like.
Please?
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download the trial version, you will have it *interactively*!
::) DIABLO iIi <3
HAPPY BELATED EIGHTEEN, XION!!!
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download the trial version, you will have it *interactively*!
Hm.. won't it screw with my full Pro Motion 5.1 install though?
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the interface is almost exactly the same as 5.1
some of the icons i think may be different?
also why didn't you get the download? the file is tiny... only like a couple of mb
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also why didn't you get the download? the file is tiny... only like a couple of mb
Well.. I bought it Friday night, and it said it would take a couple of business days - weekend does not count as business days - so maybe I'll get it tuesday or wednesday.
The file size doesn't help me if they haven't sent me the file yet.
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download the trial version, you will have it *interactively*!
Hm.. won't it screw with my full Pro Motion 5.1 install though?
no, it's a separate installation.
so far as I went, I don't understand why after sorting the palette (which is now a bit tricky) I need to remap colors manually?
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I think I'll just wait until I get the update binary.
I don't understand why after sorting the palette (which is now a bit tricky) I need to remap colors manually?
What? .. and tricky how?
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yes. I don't yet know whether it can be set up in preferences or whether a hotkey can be assigned. it's tricky because it's not accessible from the Color menu on top like it was before: there's another menu just under the palette box. you'll see. :)
edit: Spain wins Euro 2008 title with 1-0 win over Germany! wee! I think I'll shave my Polish *shaved* head again! :P
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Ok, so I got the update binary in the mail today.. and the remapping of colours does, indeed, seem quite cumbersome.
The new layer feature is quite weird too.. it does work once I understood how to use it properly,but it still seems like it could be made alot easier.
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The two most useful features of the new promotion that I saw (and helped give input on) are the improved dither tools (which now works a bit more like a preset color ramp) and the auto darken/lighten color mode (this allows you to pixel much like one would paint in CG)
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Has anyone heard of a fix for the Firefox 3 blurry-zooming feature yet? Or better, a way to roll a firefox install back to the older version? Pleas.
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Yes :( same for me :( :( At least a non-destructive roll-back :( :( :(
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Wow, do this:
1- get the firefox 2 installer from here: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html)
2- install it on top of your newer install, it doesn't care.
3- everything works, nothing is broken. You might have to rollback any plugins you've upgraded, but it'll do that for you.
I can't believe that works, but it works.
EDIT: This actually might break your stuff, see below.
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smart coders, these. Thanks.
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I installed FireFox2 again and it's having terrible drawing issues with the GUI. Hell, at first I installed it and it didn't even work. Now the bookmark toolbar 'doubles' itself over my tabs constantly, and lots of transparency issues and such. It's a pain in the ass :/
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Vuck, Dusty, sorry about that. I feel heaps bad now, I guessed this was a risky thing and I only posted it because it worked for me. Did you get it sorted out?
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Hey guys, remember me?
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Nah, I installed it from a version I had on my flash drive. I honestly have no idea what is wrong with it. Either way, Firefox 3's GUI seems to run really slow on this computer. It lags to hell when I hover over my bookmarks.
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almost like Yus! almost makes the difference.
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(:angel: = you)
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wow! :o :o :o many many THANKS for the Razor feature! that newsbox banner roxx . . . peremp-feckin'-torily!
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No, many thanks to you and the people who gave critique. You guys make this place what it is.
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yah, well done to everyone involved in that topic, that whole thread shows the best of pixelation :)
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Does anyone have any good tips for giving up smoking? I smoke about 15-20 reds a day and i feel my lungs and stamina are pretty much destroyed, besides the toll on my finances.
I enjoy it, however when i actually think about it's a very pointless thing to do, paying to kill yourself wtf.
I've tried quitting twice before and it is such a hard thing to do.
Don't smoke kids, you will soon enough become an addict and when you try and quit you can't.
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Oh man, good luck with that. I don't have the slightest on how to offer help, though. I guess cold-turkey is an option?
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Hmm, I really shouldn't give advice on that :D I've had two longer smokeless periods since I first started, the first one lasting for over a year and the second one was from last December to this June, and I still kept coming back to it.. I don't know, I sometimes have phases when I'm really really disgusted enough (last case: two packs within five hours) to overcome the need which usually results in one or two weeks of not smoking, or the next time I'm out..
Get a girl that doesn't smoke, as extra motivation.. smokers don't taste very good ;)
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I'm not a smoker, but my friends who have quit say that the best strategy is to replace the cigarettes with something harmless. For example I know one guy who would play with a rubber band every time he had the urge to smoke. I know someone else who would hold a pencil like a cigarette whenever they got the urge.
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24 hours smoke free.
:'(
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nicotine addiction is a physical one. if you're having withdrawal symptoms you might wanna try patches. the first few days are the worst. keep it up!
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Mario Kart Wii, I'm sure some of you guys have it
1161-0632-5026
you scratch mine...
:(...
anyone have smash bros? :(
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Team Fortress 2 is ruining my productivity.
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24 hours smoke free.
that's really promising. a day without lighting up a smoke and you're still alive. just don't think about it, avoid boredom. eat! :)
. . . said a guy who smokes a pack of lights a day and was trying to cut that shit out only once to no avail.
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Team Fortress 2 is ruining my productivity.
Is there anything to gain from this endless rat race? Slaughter and conquer for 2 minutes, repeat. This kind of games are most primitive and have the shortest lasting gains. Once you stop, it's gone.
Hehe, i played it a lot too and it is a lot of fun and actually has things to learn from. It's simple and refined. Though it blows my mind how some peoples investment in hours easily reach thousands. For most it's really just the rush of the moment, but with long term achievements people get arbitrary reasons to play. The drug is there, it's legal and you're convinced it's okay to reach for that Superheadshot-mastah BADGE that no-one else really cares about.
Games are slowly but steadily heading for the low-investment - fast gain territory, which is a bummer as a whole i think, even if there is plenty of low level gamedesign that's evolving in a good direction.
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I'm not a smoker, but my friends who have quit say that the best strategy is to replace the cigarettes with something harmless. For example I know one guy who would play with a rubber band every time he had the urge to smoke. I know someone else who would hold a pencil like a cigarette whenever they got the urge.
I've heard that too, and I might add that fetching a glass of water is often considered a very good subistute. At least that's what I've been told.
Keep it up Feron, and keep in mind that the longer you stay far from cigs, the less it should have power to control your will ^^
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that's really promising. a day without lighting up a smoke and you're still alive. just don't think about it, avoid boredom. eat! :)
. . . said a guy who smokes a pack of lights a day and was trying to cut that shit out only once to no avail.
yes but that day was quite painful, so far today i have had one smoke. I don't think its physically possible to just stop altogether the human body isnt strong enough...
also lights... wtf. (they have so much shit in them)
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I don't think its physically possible to just stop altogether the human body isnt strong enough...
a few good friends of mine did that and I believe them, a matter of strong will probably. it's a different story when you *like* smoking and it gives you pleasure.
I, personally, know I won't give it up until some good stimulus pops up. or I will smoke till kingdom come.
also lights... wtf. (they have so much shit in them)
not much more than regular reds. I think it's just another example of folk wisdom, like, say, the famous charcoal filter (Pall Mall ftw). every smoke is a coffin nail after all. :)
good luck then! don't let this shit take over you!
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also lights... wtf. (they have so much shit in them)
not much more than regular reds. I think it's just another example of folk wisdom, like, say, the famous charcoal filter (Pall Mall ftw)
ahh yes the charcoal filter, i have never really been a fan of pall mall.
but i've heard lights have fibreglass in the filter :-\
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Team Fortress 2 is ruining my productivity.
Is there anything to gain from this endless rat race? Slaughter and conquer for 2 minutes, repeat. This kind of games are most primitive and have the shortest lasting gains. Once you stop, it's gone.
Hehe, i played it a lot too and it is a lot of fun and actually has things to learn from. It's simple and refined. Though it blows my mind how some peoples investment in hours easily reach thousands. For most it's really just the rush of the moment, but with long term achievements people get arbitrary reasons to play. The drug is there, it's legal and you're convinced it's okay to reach for that Superheadshot-mastah BADGE that no-one else really cares about.
Games are slowly but steadily heading for the low-investment - fast gain territory, which is a bummer as a whole i think, even if there is plenty of low level gamedesign that's evolving in a good direction.
Heheh... I usually play in little spurts for an hour or so... I think it's the competitive/team element that makes it worthwhile for me. There is definitely a rush you get when some snotty kid with a cowboy accent is trash-talking you and you come up from behind and explode him into a billion pieces. And it also feels great when you manage to get a good team together, everyone is doing their job and the other team are losing ground. I never used to play online games because I hated the community - everyone is trashy and lewd. Team Fortress 2 has a bit of that but since people have to cooperate it seems that everyone is a touch more mature than in a standard "deathmatch" game.
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Mario Kart Wii, I'm sure some of you guys have it
1161-0632-5026
you scratch mine...
:(...
anyone have smash bros? :(
Me. I gotta get my FC later on, but I've been looking for people to play with :/
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Is there anything to gain from this endless rat race? Slaughter and conquer for 2 minutes, repeat. This kind of games are most primitive and have the shortest lasting gains. Once you stop, it's gone.
Heheh... I usually play in little spurts for an hour or so... I think it's the competitive/team element that makes it worthwhile for me.
I've not played TF2, but other such games.. CS, RTCW MP, Enemy Territory, Urban Terror etc. I think there are two things that make these games fun for me:
1. Team effort. Some games like Enemy Territory have a built in system that makes you benefit from team play even with complete strangers, some are more frag hunt -orientated, which doesn't appeal to me that much, but many people enjoy that as well.
2. Human opponents. AI may never replace the creativeness in strategies and the fight ballettes stretching the limits of the game engine that two skilled players can come up with when having a showdown in a narrow corridor, both equipped with a pistol and a knife. It's like: "Aha, this guy's got fast reflexes, but no matter, I'm gonna be even faster and cleverer."
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Meh... I hate this feeling. I always have amazing pictures in my head, so crystal clear, on what I want something to look like. I mean, down to the last pixel. Then I always think, it's gonna look awesome!! But I always, always end up just not being able to translate my image to whatever I'm doing.
It just kills my motivation so fast.
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Just pixel whatever you can as soon as you get your inspiration, don't care if it's not perfect, post for critique, explain what it is you want it to be and you might end up with something awesome.
From whenever i started drawing i've felt like i can't perfectly draw what i have in my head because whenever i learn something new it translates to a harder to realize image in the head that's something i can't fully replicate on paper. I can easily draw something i've imagined two years ago though. It's like chasing something you can never catch but you're still trailing a few meters behind.
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I was reading something relevant in a book by Ron Tiner two days ago.
"The images stored in the mind may seem to be visual, but as soon as we try to draw them they become elusive and the resulting drawings can all too easily degenerate into cliches, devoid of any merit and containing little or nothing of the grand designs that the mind originally conceived.
What is needed then, is a means of making accessible the information stored in the mind."
His means are none other than rather redundant "practice, study, and practicality," although he indicates that it is the mindset that dictates the successful transmission from mind to page. Tiner illustrates how you can draw from your memory if you practice enough, as the objects you're trying to draw will embed themselves within your amassed knowledge and experience, and the skill gained will seep into how you draw things other than your choice of study. This should be true to pixel art, and most probably easier with a pixel.
Just keep doing it, accept the initial outcome, learn as you go. (I think the product of trial and error without trying to copy from your mind is most times more interesting than what's planned, but right now that's beside the point.) Eventually you'll be able to translate from your mind to screen satisfactorily. I also think time is important, so spend a lot of it, even when it's "failed". It might just be reshaped into what you want it to be, so don't lose motivation!
If we could initially draw or pixel precisely from our memory, all the savory moments would disappear and we'd be just like printers. Take joy in the natural ineptitude~ ;D
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Sadly, all my great ideas and images in my head come to me as I'm lying down for bed. It'll keep me up for hours, and if I do get up to actually put them down into pixels/paper, I'm too tired to do it correctly :/
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Yeah, happens to me too. I guess it's common among artists... huge flood of images just pop out of nowhere when i hit the sack. I read an article about it somewhere but can't remember where :'( It was a generally resourceful website aimed at freelance artists. All kinds of info on how to maximize your efficiency, work on schedule and so forth.
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metal slug 7 (DS) has a ton of slow down and sprite/background resizing :'(
and touch screen is fuckin stupid, since when does metal slug need a map?
wayforward should've made it..
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Sadly, all my great ideas and images in my head come to me as I'm lying down for bed. It'll keep me up for hours, and if I do get up to actually put them down into pixels/paper, I'm too tired to do it correctly :/
I guess it's common among artists... huge flood of images just pop out of nowhere when i hit the sack.
true. paradoxically, things happen to become brighter at night. I always try to write down everything I think of while turning in, you know, to get it done the other day, but in the morning it all seems devoid of the magic it had before.
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Since everyone else in my family is Catholic, I'll say the rosary with them every day. I get the same rush of images and great ideas while I'm doing nothing other than speaking the same words over and over that I do when I'm trying to go to sleep, most often even more vivid than the latter. I think it has something to do with the calming effects that prayer and meditation bring?
It might have something to do with your inability at the moment to actually put it to paper :-[, as I'll never be motivated with a great idea when I want to be. I just wish it wouldn't happen when I'm doing something else or at 3am when it's pitch black and everyone is asleep. Damn! :(
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I'm on week 2 of my new diet - I replaced 4 greasy lunches every week with salad. It seems to be working... my jeans are already starting to feel loose and last night I could actually feel my tummy muscles under my skin (I didn't know I had any!).
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any ideas on how to put *on* weight?
I think it has something to do with the calming effects that prayer and meditation bring?
heheh, not sure. after doing two beers or a quarter gram I get the same effect. ;)
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any ideas on how to put *on* weight?
I've weighed 127lbs exactly for the last 7 years or so. I can't gain weight at all. Then again, I don't eat lots of fastfood, but I happen to eat a lot during the course of a day.
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To gain weight, try eating a small meal every 2-3 hours and consciously limit your daily activity. Try to stick to simple foods like oatmeal, brown rice, cooked chicken, or lean ground beef (drained).
People tend to get fat not because they eat insane amounts, but because they eat empty calories (pop tarts, soft drinks, beer, most microwavable food). When your body isn't getting the nutrients it needs, it assumes that it's starving, so it starts storing up fat.
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I gained like 10 pounds/ 5 kilos inexplicably. I was 67 kilos for the last 5 years or something and now I am 72 or so. I don't know what happened. WILL I GET FAT :'( ??? :(
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@bb: I'm not too selective when it comes to food, not in the least; but doesn't it get even more unhealthy, then?
seems you're just getting old, Helm! face it! are there any veiled pleasures you'd want to bite before passing away? :D
your future lies between Horgh and Vrangsinn of Carpathian Forest.
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surely a fate worse than death.
I indulge in all my private passions, privately. I do not seem to have any unrequited stuff of this type.
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Eat properly guys... and stay healthy. You'll regret it later ... 7 months ago I felt I almost died. And in consecutive time frame I got problems breathing, Allergies, eye problems <blurring on the left eye and huge floaters on both>, and a week ago tinnitus. I couldn't stay in the computer that long to draw or work, and I have been in and out of doctor checkups. It's like stabbing a dagger to the thing you love to do.
Anyway, You guys following E3? It seems Nintendo Annoyed a lot of people including their user fan base after their presentation. And wow FFXIII on xbox360 while Sony didn't do bad this time.
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Anyway, You guys following E3? It seems Nintendo Annoyed a lot of people including their user fan base after their presentation. And wow FFXIII on xbox360 while Sony didn't do bad this time.
I live-streamed all of the console-makers' keynotes and read up on the stuff in between. My impressions:
Microsoft keynote: Not much new stuff, but a pretty nice presentation overall.
Sony keynote: The only Sony console that I own is an old PS2, but their presentation was pretty solid. Some good stuff in there. I liked the way that they did a lot of the presentation with Little Big Planet. I never got a chance to play God of War, but I'm sure that if I did I'd be excited for the new one.
Nintendo keynote: I love Nintendo. Their presentation was... lackluster at best, but some of the stuff looked good (1-to-1 swordfighting with the Wiimote? Yes please). Maybe it's just my optimism, but I think that they may be holding back something bigger for later. It just seems like something they would do. I think that what annoyed everybody was mainly the fact that the "hardcore" title they were showing off was a new Animal Crossing, which most people saw coming anyway.
Overall, it just looks to me like the companies are putting less work into their presentations since E3 was downsized.
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Animal crossing was all I was really hoping for, and the voice chat is a nice addition.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.. much better than wearing a headset as long as the quality is as good as it sounded.
and it was really neat how sony used LBP for lots of their presentation
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Little big planet is one of the few games I'm really looking forward to. It just never fails to bring a smile to my face. Also the guys making it are such a cheery bunch that the interviews made me feel happy as well.
I played most of the new E3 trailers in succession and noticed majority of them were EPIC hero fighting an EPIC war in an EPIC universe (all of square enix games at least).
There's some exceptions. Games that set the high level of fidelity closer to the player. Much like when writing a story, when designing a game you need to make a very conscious choice of how to portray the world, what is your scale and at what level do you carry out your story, so you can invest your time at that level to make it feel tangible.
For example, mirror's edge which seems very interesting makes the player's movement the point of high fidelity.
Dead Space also has some nice design choices. You're always in control of your character and all the "game stuff" is gone, like the gui. You see your gun's remaining ammo in the screen of the gun your character is holding and everything you see is also what your character sees. Should work well in favor of higher immersion.
Generally i'd like to see more games that are less epic. If there's a war, you just want to get through alive instead of saving the whole universe. If there's an epicly big empire, it's just a backdrop to the story and you focus on more personal stuff. ... that sort of things.
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Hello everyone from italy,
I've spent the last few weeks (and will spend the next few weeks) immersed in rather non-videogame culture, but I will say thta little big planet has me very happy :).
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mirrors edge looks very interesting too, but I'm still skeptical about it being first person.
It seems like the type of game that would greatly benefit from a third person camera
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Little Big Planet is proof that there is a God and he loves us.
Mirror's Edge looks absolutely gorgeous, I really love the design route they took with those bold technicolor buildings. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. I hope it has a funky 70's style soundtrack, haha. I actually really like the 1st person camera, it gives this awesome sense of vertigo. In Tomb Raider you're not afraid to send Lara plummeting to her doom because she's just a puppet. In this game it's YOU, the player who will plummet to your death if you don't exercise caution. I think this is one of the best uses of a 1st person camera I've ever seen. (And I don't like FPS games)
I'm excited about Fallout 3 as well but only because I am a huge fan of the Mad Max movies and this looks like the closest thing we'll get to a Mad Max game for a while.
Final Fantasy looks like a big letdown to me. The latest trailer shows no hint of suspense, romance, or restraint. The game looks like it's all about autonomous killing machines with sarcastic grins in a dystopian future. Like every other game out there. And the art design is a completely directionless mess, as is the case with Square recently. The art isn't creating any kind of story or atmosphere, it's just screaming "look at me! look at me!"
Final Fantasy pre-production meeting:
Producer: What is the game going to look like?
Art director: Everything.
Producer: What do you mean, "everything"?
Art Director: EEEEVVVEEERRYYYYYTHIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!
*jumps on table and throws papers everywhere*
I'm more excited about the DS Final Fantasy remakes.
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I gained like 10 pounds/ 5 kilos inexplicably. I was 67 kilos for the last 5 years or something and now I am 72 or so. I don't know what happened. WILL I GET FAT :'( ??? :(
Just a thought, but the last time you were 67 kilos, was that before the stache?
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Little Big Planet is proof that there is a God and he loves us.
Mirror's Edge looks absolutely gorgeous, I really love the design route they took with those bold technicolor buildings. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. I hope it has a funky 70's style soundtrack, haha. I actually really like the 1st person camera, it gives this awesome sense of vertigo. In Tomb Raider you're not afraid to send Lara plummeting to her doom because she's just a puppet. In this game it's YOU, the player who will plummet to your death if you don't exercise caution. I think this is one of the best uses of a 1st person camera I've ever seen. (And I don't like FPS games)
I'm excited about Fallout 3 as well but only because I am a huge fan of the Mad Max movies and this looks like the closest thing we'll get to a Mad Max game for a while.
Final Fantasy looks like a big letdown to me. The latest trailer shows no hint of suspense, romance, or restraint. The game looks like it's all about autonomous killing machines with sarcastic grins in a dystopian future. Like every other game out there. And the art design is a completely directionless mess, as is the case with Square recently. The art isn't creating any kind of story or atmosphere, it's just screaming "look at me! look at me!"
Final Fantasy pre-production meeting:
Producer: What is the game going to look like?
Art director: Everything.
Producer: What do you mean, "everything"?
Art Director: EEEEVVVEEERRYYYYYTHIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!
*jumps on table and throws papers everywhere*
I'm more excited about the DS Final Fantasy remakes.
Oh that was a Final Fantasy announcement. When I saw the trailer I thought it was Star Wars.
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Oh man that was the worse E3 ever, well I know its not completely over yet so there is still a chance for some positive news.
Where is my next f-zero, next waverace nintendo?! There press conference was an insult to any gamer imo.
Oh yeah mirrors edge looks awesome, excellent artstyle and the first person view feels really intense.
The mainline final fantasys are probably nice games, but the metrosexual-, emo- fetish from there character designer let me stay away.
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Little Big Planet is proof that there is a God and he hates those who don't have enough money to buy and/or don't want to buy a PS3
Fixed. :'(
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Konami conference is doing well until... Rock Revolution/Female Rolling Stones performance. It was awful :lol: One of the most awkward moments on E3.
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Came back from the eye doctor, turns out I'm colorblind, woo!
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Maybe it's just my optimism, but I think that they may be holding back something bigger for later. It just seems like something they would do.
I so called it... sort of. A new Pikmin game was announced a couple of hours ago. It would've been nice if we got some details though.
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Maybe it's just my optimism, but I think that they may be holding back something bigger for later. It just seems like something they would do.
I so called it... sort of. A new Pikmin game was announced a couple of hours ago. It would've been nice if we got some details though.
they've been hinting at this for a while though, so a proper announcement is a smaller step than it seems. however, it is a step, and when the new one is done, let's hope it's amazing :D
I just hope that they do something innovative - cross pollentation, sacremental cannibalism, landscape interaction, something that would really make it a "NEW nintendo game" rather than the "new NINTENDO games" that we;ve been getting.
btw - colorblind? that sucks I suppose, but if you're used to it....?
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I suppose I am, I don't think I ever had problems with colors and art, but perhaps I have all along and just didn't know it.
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Awwwww :[ that would be the worst to be color blind!
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Yeah. Owch. Sorry about that development there, Dusty. >_o
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Came back from the eye doctor, turns out I'm colorblind, woo!
I was told this about 8 years ago.
Eye doctor came to school and asked me what I saw when she held up a little card with all these coloured spots.
I wasn't really sure what I was supposed to be looking for, but for the first one I was pretty sure it was a G
nope, I should be seeing numbers.
I couldn't make out any numbers, but the doctor was a dismissive bitch and never let me look at them for more than a few seconds.
I'm not sure if I am colour blind, I do have a few shirts I swear are grey but everyone tells me are blue, :-X
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If it took longer then a few seconds somethin's wrong. Those things are easy-peasy usually.
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Yeah i have mild colorblindness too. I see some colors stronger than normal and some weaker.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/4954/colorblind/colorblindtest.htm
Ugh, i easily see some of the ones that only normal eyes should see, but i also see the 5 that should be visible only to colorblind people.
The 45 in the second picture is just barely visible.
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Yeah i have mild colorblindness too. I see some colors stronger than normal and some weaker.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/4954/colorblind/colorblindtest.htm
Hmm... Strange.
What do you think it means if you can see all of the numbers in all of the pictures, but the colourblind ones jump out at you first? Mild colourblindness in multiple areas?
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Ugh, i easily see some of the ones that only normal eyes should see, but i also see the 5 that should be visible only to colorblind people.
The 45 in the second picture is just barely visible.
The 5 should be possible to non-colourblind people as well, just not as fast. I can see everything fine, including the 70 on the 29 thing. The last one I think is the harshest, but I can see the 5 and I think I have a good guess at where the 2 is \o/
Seems my colourvision is fine.
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I aced 'em all except the last one, I couldn't frickin' see anything. What does THAT mean?
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Not at all? I think it is quite harsh, wether you are colourblind or not (well obviously more if you are :crazy:)
Took me a short while to see the 5 there.
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Well after a while I started to see a 5... and then I started at it longer and I started to see a 2... they were both very faint though.
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Lets try another one.
http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm#demonstration%20card
On this i couldn't find anything besides the yellow ones, unless i started to trace the shape out by looking at individual blobs.
More tests and facts
http://www.archimedes-lab.org/colorblindnesstest.html#visione
Here the 12 is the only one i can see without trouble and the 45 just barely.
Also i see the ON in the reverse test.
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On the
Yeah i have mild colorblindness too. I see some colors stronger than normal and some weaker.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/4954/colorblind/colorblindtest.htm
Ugh, i easily see some of the ones that only normal eyes should see, but i also see the 5 that should be visible only to colorblind people.
The 45 in the second picture is just barely visible.
The only one I was able to see(other than the first one) was the 26. The rest, I either saw no numbers, or saw the wrong numbers(colorblind, as they said).
The new test you posted, I completely flunked :/ it's the doctors office all over again!
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I aced both of those... which really makes me weird out about that one I flunked ???
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i blame crappy jpg compression on the first one. i've seen everything so far... even the reverse tests. maybe my monitor needs calibrating.
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http://www.geocities.com/Baja/4954/colorblind/colorblindtest.htm
Hurrah! I saw all the right ones! And I did it before reading the descriptions first! I'm not color-blind! ^_^
I was worried with the fourth one because I didn't see anything, and I was like "Uh oh... What does that mean?...". So I gave up and read the description and it said people with normal vision wouldn't see anything, so that was relieving.
I can actually see the color-blind numbers once I read the descriptions. It's like "Oh! There they are!" ;D
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The one test that made you look for shapes didn't really provide any sort of closure, at least for me. They tell me to look at the picture for a shape, I look... I see nothing. I go to the answer sheet, and they tell me I should have seen a circle... I look at the answer sheet picture and I see the same lonely square. They should have highlighted the hidden shapes in the answer sheet pictures so I could know what I was missing :(
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Any of you seen the Dark Knight yet?
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Any of you seen the Dark Knight yet?
It doesnt come out over here (UK) until thursday, but i will see the very first screening i can get to!
got a 5* rating, and its supposed to be amazing.
i'm so excited.
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I did, it's okay, certainly better than the batman film before it. Bale can't do batman, he has a face that doesn't work for it, very bad eununciation, hilariously unfitting 'growls' for his 'batman-voice' and generally he makes a bit of a joke of the costumed character. The cinematography has lots of little errors and omissions which add up to a bit of a hit, and gotham is not treated well as a set-piece (abrupt cuts from locale to locale without clear introductions, ambiguous switches without clear resolution of the action) that sort of thing. On the other hand the Joker is excellent, the movie has clear points to make, the dialogue is good... I give it 3.5/5
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Heh, Helm's a film critic now? Better watch out, though. If a Batman fan boy reads this, expect to be eaten alive by them, en mass, with a 3.5/5 rating.
*growls in deep Christian Bale Batman voice*
"WHO IS THIS HELM? WHERE IS HE!?!?....I'M BATMAN!"
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When has nerd rage ever deterred me from calling them like I see them? ::)
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Helm is unstoppable.
Feron: Yeah I have to wait till thursday too.
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those online colour blind tests are not encouraging :P
I could see about half of the stuff people with normal vision should see, and I could see everything colour blind people should see very vividly.
if anyone ever wondered about my colour choices, that may be part of the reason :P
The new batman film, I've been hearing how the joker is easily the best part of the movie and it probably would've been better off focussed on him.
But I'm a bit skeptical about the praise he's been getting since his passing also.
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completely off-topic from everything, but i just wanted to post this somewhere.
for Mac users annoyed with the blurry zooming on Pixelation, under EVERY browser, there's a solution. go to System Preferences, Universal Access, and turn Zoom on. then click Options, uncheck "Smooth Images", and check "Use scroll wheel with modifiers to zoom". I've set mine to ctrl+scroll. you could also just use a keyboard shortcut if you like, but the scrolling is more versatile.
when you click images on Pixelation, they'll still be blurry. but at least now you can get a pixeltastic zoom at whatever size you like. only problem is you can't get exact ratios like 2:1 or 4:1, but as long as you don't mind that, it's a lifesaver.
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*#*#*#*#(SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT)*#*#*#*##*
I saw The Dark knight, and it was worth the money in my opinion. Only problem I had with it, is the second half. The first half went along swimmingly, focusing more so on the importance of chaos vs. order. Characters are introduced very nicely, I also might add. Eric Roberts always plays a douche extremely well. I think the story also should have focused more on the Joker, but it started escalating toward the relationship of Wayne, Rachel, and Dent, which brings things to a clutter, though still manageable. Two face's story is always a sad one, though the movie brought it along too quickly. Either way, it was a great movie, and leaves some wondering how well the third and final Batman movie will end, if it has the plot-power to keep viewers interested, as Ledger's passing is a sad one, as one of the most memorable Jokers to date.
Seriously though, Hollywood, Comics had episodes and series for a reason: KEEP THE VIEWER INTERESTED WITH A PLOT AT A STABLE PACE!!! I feel like most comic book movies pack 10 important story lines into one movie, and it always ends up cluttered, and messy. Wish they would give the fictional characters their rightful time in the spotlight for the respect of the plot. Then again, it's based off a comic book, NOT an exact replica. There's always that excuse.
...Oh, and Bale still thinks he has to talk from his innards when he's in his batman costume. : P
(seriously though, with as much technology as he has, why doesn't Batman just use some voice scrambler/modifier in his batsuit to deepen or change the frequency in his voice, so it's not recognizable. They were smart enough to give him the ability to turn his head...maybe they don't want to hurt Bale's feelings of acting, while trying hard not to laugh...or they'll bring that feature in the final 3rd movie. Then again, it took about 5 Batman movies for costume designers to give actors in the suit the ability to turn their head. Just a thought)
*also saw the Watchmen preview, and methinks people(like myself) who weren't aware of it's literary comic past, will automatically assume it's a rip-off of the other comic to movie transitions by the preview alone. I'll still see it though, cause I'm a dork...and that's how I do.
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*also saw the Watchmen preview, and methinks people(like myself) who weren't aware of it's literary comic past, will automatically assume it's a rip-off of the other comic to movie transitions by the preview alone. I'll still see it though, cause I'm a dork...and that's how I do.
It'll be a sad time when people are introduced to Watchmen from inherently inferior adaptations to cinema before they read the comic book. Read it before Hollywood does (http://adarena.blogspot.com/2006/05/czech-ads-read-books.html).
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The Dark Knight is absolutely amazing.
It's hard to talk about without giving away all the good stuff, but I loved it... I could rant and rave but it'd all pretty much be hyperbole. Just see it, and go expecting a mature movie for adults, not a comic book.
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Just see it, and go expecting a mature movie for adults, not a comic book.
Could you explain what you mean in a bit more length?
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I mean, there's no superweapon or evil plan to take over the world, there's no CG-rendered city skylines, there's no action scenes that take place on exploding elevated trains. I didn't mean it as a knock against comics, but I think if someone goes into the movie expecting a typical superhero film they will probably be a little disappointed when they get a crime drama that occasionally waxes philosophical, instead of an action movie. I saw the film as being more about a world where Batman is real, than about Batman himself. Iron Man was the big visceral superhero experience this year - The Dark Knight is a much different beast.
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Heath Ledger gave an absolutely phenomenal performance as the Joker. I did notice flaws in the cinematography, I thought Batman himself was pretty uninteresting (and his growling was very silly), and I didn't like Maggie Gyllenhaul at ALL, but the Joker was so fantastic it was hard to care.
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I didn't mean it as a knock against comics, but I think if someone goes into the movie expecting a typical superhero film
That's more well-said. Don't expect a typical superhero film. Comics do not have to bear the cross of idiocy any more, I hope you've read many, many comics that have great plots and characterization and artwork.
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All this talk makes me want to go see it. I want to see Hancock more though. ::)
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I personnaly bear the pain and learn to live with it (ie. copy and paste pieces in photoshop in order to zoom in).
I'm posting here because I'm in quest for an old thread of this board which I cant find anymore. I remember that some time ago (no idea how much though), someone posted a beautiful tileset of an icy (or was it rocky ?) pathway. My memories say it had some Seiken Denetsu 3 vibe in it but maybe it just means it was awesome. I remember how the mockup was see here :
(http://xs129.xs.to/xs129/08301/znyone675.png)
gray = background (I think it was plain black)
blue = walls
white = path
I'm not sure there was the extra path on the top, and there may have been a cave entrance instead.
I know this is really really vague but let's hope someone will see what I'm talking about.
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http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=4340.msg55590#msg55590
by Im9Today
That it?
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Touché !
This is the one I was looking for ;D
Thanks a bunch :D
No let's have fun and compare it with my description.
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Im extremely confused about those damn color blind tests. Apparently im supposed to have red/green colorblindness yet I can see both of those colors on things such as paint tubes?? im pretty sure "green earth" is supposed to be kinda green...
Batman basically rocked my socks, his growl was a little( alot) silly but I honestly dont think it made the movie any worse. I dont like how they introduced two face and got rid of him in the same movie, however.
Anybody see Hellboy 2? I might have only found it entertaining because of my demon fetish :3
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All this talk makes me want to go see it. I want to see Hancock more though. ::)
Well, I saw it, and it was okay. But it was your typical Holywood blockbuster movie. The story was fun, and I always enjoy Will Smith, but it could've been so much better.
It has potential but kinda wastes that. There's no real bad guy. The only real kinda bad guy there is barely gets any development as character, and the story goes
all "What the hell?!" near the end.
Even though I haven't seen it, I'm gonna recommend the Dark Knight above it by far.
I'll probably see it somewhere next week or so.
Ryu: I read some reviews of it and they mostly said you should go see it just for the awesome monster designs. So it should probably satisfy your
demon fetish :D
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seeing the dark knight in 2 days :D ^-^
in other news, Yoda and Vader joined soul caliber IV, ??
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seeing the dark knight in 2 days :D ^-^
in other news, Yoda and Vader joined soul caliber IV, ??
Not really news, been annaounced a long time ago.
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What? That is just retarded. Spawn and such were retarded already in SC2. Considering this is Namco they should just go ahead and put in The King of All Cosmos, weilding a rainbow sword, but they are not men anough to do that it seems.
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The newest Soul Calibur makes me sad. I expect the next Soul Calibur to be a COMPLETE Final Fantasy rip off(per designs), except with bigger boobs, and more retarded voice overs...It's amazing how their design team made me turn 180 degrees in terms liking it to hating it. Just...lame.
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Hm, I was thinking of seeing Hellboy 2 as well. Sounds good.
Now I'm faced with a choice, what should I see? :-\
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I saw the CRAP out of Hellboy II :D Mignola and Del Toro premiered it 3 days early here in Austin, and I got to meet them and get a signed poster and....oh man it was just one long geek boner. This was the movie I was most looking forward to this summer, and despite some pacing problems in the middle of the show it was really awesome to see so much creativity and love put into a silly superhero movie.
On the other hand, the Joker was absolutely riveting. Dark Knight was a bad title for the movie...it should have been Joker: The Movie (featuring Batman sometimes). No real beefs with the film with the exception of...well i better not say exactly. But there is a computers/tech thing in the movie that was just silly/impossible.
ANYWAYS. That's my 3 cents I guess.
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But there is a computers/tech thing in the movie that was just silly/impossible.
I love that in movies
"hang on, I'll just hack into the mainframe"
*furiously bashes the keyboard*
"access granted" :D
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But there is a computers/tech thing in the movie that was just silly/impossible.
I love that in movies
"hang on, I'll just hack into the mainframe"
*furiously bashes the keyboard*
"access granted" :D
My favourite is:
Team looking at security camera image/video on screen
Team leader: "Enhance!"
Tech dude presses "enhance" button.
Hi-res, ultra-zoomed version of the image appears.
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I die a little each time I see that *shivers*
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Even when Blade Runner was happening in the future, it still amazes me when I see the imaging device used in the film which can fly around corners to show a clear view of persons face etc. :) That's hi-tech! :D
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Independence Day:
"Downloading virus" to the mothership.
UPLOADING, for heaven's sake! UPLOADING!
It also seems that the villains have a multimedia team with art directors and 3d modelers working for them when they make awesome rotating wireframe vector graphics illustrating the assault plan on Fort Know or wherever..
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ooh ooh, and when people (usually in cartoons) are looking through binoculars and somehow change the camera angle
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Not exactly a computer error but I always find these scene so hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_5FU5ikcE
For some reason at first the lasers only seem to hurt a little. Maybe enough to inflict a bruise at most and then out of nowhere her
head explodes. It makes no sense at all. xD
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That video is hilarious. Too bad she can't run and scream at the same time or she would've gotten away.
This taps into another huge error in movie logic (although it's a lot of fun). According to Hollywood (and now most video game studios), the air pressure inside the human skull is roughly 1000x greater than the outside atmosphere, making it the most explosive point on the human body.
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THIS IS UNIX, I KNOW THIS
also, bad robot shooting girl ass: amazing.
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Independence Day:
"Downloading virus" to the mothership.
UPLOADING, for heaven's sake! UPLOADING!
I think that is the lesser problem in the logic here. Hacking an alien OS would prolly be like attempting to hack a modern PC with a NES or something.
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I saw an image somewhere that was complaining that 10 yr old macs won't even interface with modern macs, so how the F could a powerbook interface with an alien mothership...
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Independence Day:
"Downloading virus" to the mothership.
UPLOADING, for heaven's sake! UPLOADING!
I think that is the lesser problem in the logic here. Hacking an alien OS would prolly be like attempting to hack a modern PC with a NES or something.
More like trying to hack a modern pc with a stone.
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Independence Day:
"Downloading virus" to the mothership.
UPLOADING, for heaven's sake! UPLOADING!
I think that is the lesser problem in the logic here. Hacking an alien OS would prolly be like attempting to hack a modern PC with a NES or something.
Always the most irritating part of an otherwise pretty good movie to me.
I think another one of those big Hollywood computer problems is the way that they always make those beeping noises whenever text scrolls up the screen. That would get really irritating really quickly in really life.
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What bothered me most about the whole movie was how they handled the jets. I mean... the main character is a pilot, you'd think they'd invest a bit more on the jets as plot devices. It doesn't even have to be realistic, just u know... jets are manly, big and powerful. In the movie they're like toys. I guess someone would go "oh they're just jets" but for a lot of people that whole virus to alien OS is "oh that's just nerd nonsense". Same with the weird security cameras
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Always the most irritating part of an otherwise pretty good movie to me.
Independence Day? A pretty good movie? I remember being in the cinema with friends when it came out, I was 16 or something. We laughed so much during that movie, and not because we found it funny funny, but because even back then we found it utterly retarded. ID is one of the most nonsensical movies imo, plus the presidents speech almost wants to make me puke.
I think another one of those big Hollywood computer problems is the way that they always make those beeping noises whenever text scrolls up the screen. That would get really irritating really quickly in really life.
Hehe, I remember that some dude who is a sound technician once wrote on another forum how he often ran into the situation where he was doing sound for movies and the producers would say stuff like "There are computers, we need more bleeps and bloops, people need to know they are working away on stuff yadda yadda"
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ID also made me laugh in horror at the time.
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I enjoyed it. It wasn't good. But it was fun. Same with Hancock really. Well, most films Will Smith plays in.
In fact, of all the movies I saw with him in it, the one that's regarded best (asfar as I know) made me wanna puke. (Pursuit of Hapinnes)
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Pursuit of Happiness was a great movie :x
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Speaking of robots, Wall-E is awesome.
TDK, Wall-E and Hellboy 2 are my current favorites this year.
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Speaking of robots, Wall-E is awesome.
TDK, Wall-E and Hellboy 2 are my current favorites this year.
No Iron Man?
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I enjoyed it. It wasn't good. But it was fun.
That's more along the lines of what I meant. I first saw it when I was 13 or so, so I didn't really notice all of the technical inaccuracies. When I'm not trying too hard to analyze it though, I like it. It's a good disaster flick (better than most of the other big ones, anyway), and it has Will Smith, aliens, and good special effects (a winning combination).
Pursuit of Happiness was a great movie :x
"Happyness" was good.
Speaking of robots, Wall-E is awesome.
My brother wanted to see it on opening day, so we did. It was awesome. Pixar's movies are getting progressively better.
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Wall-E is taking ridiculously long to release here. So far of all animated movies I enjoyed The Incredibles the most.
And about ID: exactly.
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No Iron Man?
Crap.. forgot about ironman
TDK, Wall-E, Ironman and Hellboy 2 are my current favorites this year <fixed>. Wanted is also good :D
Oh yeah, this what happened with TDK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs
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"Happyness" was good.
Yes, yes.
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wall-e suffers from a dramatic lack of informative promotion. no sense of the plot in any ads or even some writeups. if people knew what it was about it might have done better.
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Is anyone here familiar with fruity loops? Or perhaps would recommend a better program for making music?
I want to see if I'm talented musically.
And it would be good to make some music for Twinsen
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Is anyone here familiar with fruity loops? Or perhaps would recommend a better program for making music?
I want to see if I'm talented musically.
And it would be good to make some music for Twinsen
I use it alot.
I really like it. It might not be as proffesional as Reason or Cubase, but it's an excellent program to start out with.
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I'm sure atleast some of you played FFVI:
Anyone know why instant death attacks sometimes don't work? For example with Edgar's chainsaw.
Sometimes when it does instant death, the enemy dies but then just pops back up. Why does that happen?
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Hey all, I'm back, sorta.
I was searchin' around the interwebs, and found the new site.
@.TakaM - Unless you're buying the software, go for Reason. If for no other reason, choose it for the fact that Fruity Loops drum samples suck.
On a side note, I really like the Gimp:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/last-supper.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/last-supper.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/behemoth_photo.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/behemoth_photo.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/TurnerCowgirl.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/TurnerCowgirl.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/MeRidingMyBike.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/MeRidingMyBike.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/EvanCop.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/EvanCop.jpg)
The one that's riding a bike is me. The guy that's Jesus and the Cowgirl is my friend Turner. The one who's in a gay metal band with toasters is my friend Reginald.
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I'm sure atleast some of you played FFVI:
Anyone know why instant death attacks sometimes don't work? For example with Edgar's chainsaw.
Sometimes when it does instant death, the enemy dies but then just pops back up. Why does that happen?
automatic instant death would be lame, sometimes it misses (but still shows the full animation) and sometimes the enemy is immune (bosses). This is true in most early FF's.
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I'm sure atleast some of you played FFVI:
Anyone know why instant death attacks sometimes don't work? For example with Edgar's chainsaw.
Sometimes when it does instant death, the enemy dies but then just pops back up. Why does that happen?
automatic instant death would be lame, sometimes it misses (but still shows the full animation) and sometimes the enemy is immune (bosses). This is true in most early FF's.
Ah right. But I found it weird especially because it ALWAYS has the instant death effect on a few specific monsters. Who would then re-apear with full health!
So instead of sometimes doing damage instead of instant death as it should, it always does instant death which I found kinda weird.
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I suppose it has already been posted here but :
PLEASE DIGG, for Pixel-Art's sake
http://digg.com/software/Firefox_3_is_even_making_Digg_blurry (http://digg.com/software/Firefox_3_is_even_making_Digg_blurry)
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Hey all.
Just hit the mall for a fresh pair of Hyperdunks. Got the first pair of the day at Foot Locker:
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hyperdunk.jpg)
If anyone wants to hoop, you know who to call...
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man you could have got like 5 DS games instead of some shoes that are just like your old shoes
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I don't own a Nintendo DS.
Plus, these are unlike any other shoes. They are the lightest, strongest basketball shoes ever made.
Also, my last shoes (or current other pair of shoes) is a pair of Burgundy Jordan 5's.
(http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/aj5_burgundy_5.jpg)
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All Stars all the way for me.
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hyperdunks would be cool as hell if they didnt look like spider-man 3 shoes or something
hoopin ability is what counts though
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They're horrible looking.
Spraypaint them hot pink.
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Paint the lines blue and the bottom red, get blue laces and you got yourself some TRON shoes and D.U.N.K. 2.0.
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I'm still waiting for these:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wdp0AOK8Sa0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wdp0AOK8Sa0)
Honestly, if these came out, I'd camp out for days beforehand to get my hands on a pair.
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everyone is waiting for those.
seven years to go... :y:
Fruityloops seems like a good program so far, I can already make some basic music with the limited knowledge of the program I have, and I know there's a lot more to it too.
It's a tough process trying to make music while learning the program, the music creating process is... interesting to say the least :P
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I stopped caring about my shoes when I got to middle school and my mother just couldn't afford them.
<3 Air Force Ones
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i've been wearing black converse hightops since before they were cool :P
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Heh, I used to wear converse back in elementary school, so ya, that was before they were cool too.
Oh, and my pay-less shoes that lit up when you walked. They were Power Ranger's.
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i've been wearing black converse hightops since before they were cool :P
I started wearing em when I stared caring about how my shoes look. Ad they were already cool then :P.
But I just love those things regardless of whether they're cool or not.
Some friends of ours are currently in America, and they're gonna bring me a new pair of All Stars.
And with the low dollar course I get em for half of what they cost here :D
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yeah mine finally wore out in Naples and I went to buy a new pair they were like 40 euros for the cheapest! blah!
just laced up my new pair, purchased stateside of course because of the ridiculously weak dollar.
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Nice chunky Etnies for me :)
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everyone is waiting for those.
seven years to go... :y:
Fruityloops seems like a good program so far, I can already make some basic music with the limited knowledge of the program I have, and I know there's a lot more to it too.
It's a tough process trying to make music while learning the program, the music creating process is... interesting to say the least :P
Fruity Loops is by no means a bad program insofar as producing is concerned, but if you wanna do anything beyond a simple hobby, you need to get some better samples. Honestly, FL Studio couldn't have worse drum packs.
EDIT: Before I got to college, where I will no longer be able to get software by my usual means, I want to get a good game, preferably something sand-boxy, and that will take me a long time to complete. Something with some replay-value would be great, as well. Nothing too fantasy-based, though, I hate stuff like that. Any suggestions are appreciated.
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But you can install custom sound packs right?
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Custom sound packs, yes. Honestly, I tried searching for some back when I used FL Studio, and I found nothing but spam adverts and websites selling drum samples for more than FL Studio itself. It wasn't worth the hassle.
I use Reason, now. Best switch I could've made. Only issue is that I can't figure out how the sampling works/whether or not it exists. I use audacity for that, though...
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Cubase is my favourite program.. I use this site for finding VST instruments. http://www.kvraudio.com/
The really good ones ya gotta buy, though
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I'm sure atleast some of you played FFVI:
Anyone know why instant death attacks sometimes don't work? For example with Edgar's chainsaw.
Sometimes when it does instant death, the enemy dies but then just pops back up. Why does that happen?
automatic instant death would be lame, sometimes it misses (but still shows the full animation) and sometimes the enemy is immune (bosses). This is true in most early FF's.
Ah right. But I found it weird especially because it ALWAYS has the instant death effect on a few specific monsters. Who would then re-apear with full health!
So instead of sometimes doing damage instead of instant death as it should, it always does instant death which I found kinda weird.
try throwing a revivify/ phoenix down / potion at those monsters
i'm pretty sure this happens when you instant kill zombie type monsters
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Found this funny interrogation scene spoof from The Dark Knight movie, and wanted to share it here.
It's a YouTube video, and if you have two and a half minutes to spare, it's worth a watch.
WARNING: You may not want to see it if you haven't seen the movie yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc
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I saw this while drinking my coffee early this morning, and thought it was the bee's knees.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLwKMjUxvQQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLwKMjUxvQQ)
I'm not even that big a fan of Parkour/Free Running, but I think it looks amazing and I will buy it when it comes out (assuming it comes out for 360)
Speaking of which, if any of you have 360's, and want to add me, my gamertag is TenFortyEZ (Yeah, like the tax form.)
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Where did the Shadow of the beast critique and re imagining threads go? I thought they were in the challenges section but I can't find them
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That batman video is busting at the seams with roffles! :lol:
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I actually cried a little during that video, way too funny!
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Pixelation IRC: is there one?
If not, there needs to be. :mean:
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http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=134.0
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I think TIGIRC has enough of a member crossover that it counts ???.
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http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=134.0
Sexy. :-* Thanks. Now everyone get on, for the greater good!
I think TIGIRC has enough of a member crossover that it counts ???.
:mean:
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Ever notice how when a girl is in profile how the side of her waste is smaller than the width of her front? Then watch a Disney movie (especially Jasmine from Aladdin and Ariel from The Little Mermaid) notice how when she's in profile and then turns to face straight, her waist is exactly the same size from every angle like her waste is cylinderic.
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there's a version of DuckHunt where you CAN shoot the dog.
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/03/10/duck-hunt-the-quest-to-shoot-that-damned-dog-continues/
SOMEHOW we must get the sprites of the whole process =O
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Ever notice how when a girl is in profile how the side of her waste is smaller than the width of her front? Then watch a Disney movie (especially Jasmine from Aladdin and Ariel from The Little Mermaid) notice how when she's in profile and then turns to face straight, her waist is exactly the same size from every angle like her waste is cylinderic.
wait, wasn't this post it's own thread? How did it get in here?
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The Mod's must have used their black magic. Be weary of their sorcery...
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Hey Y'all.
So I was working tonight, and cooking a butt-load of bacon, and I splashed a lot of bacon grease on my forearm.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/StairwaytoEvan/Bilstah.jpg)
It started about that size (it was about the size of a dime, give or take.) By the end of the night, it was the size of that red area. I drained it when I got home from work, and it was nasty.
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I thought you weren't supposed to drain blisters?
That looks nasty, regardless. When my nephew was really small(1 or 2) he grabbed a lightbulb with his whole hand... ended up having a blister that covered his entire palm. Man... that was terrible.
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I drained it, but then put stuff on it and gauzed it up. I guess it's sanitary, but I dunno. I'm not too worried.
Hah, grabbed a lightbulb, that's rough. I guess when I was little I grabbed a curling iron. I don't remember it, but I guess it was pretty awful.
Oh, and what's up with the unused karma system?
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Eh... it's used. Well, I dunno about +'s, but you'll notice a few members have -'s(strikes).
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some people have cookies :) just because you don't doesn't mean its not being used! :crazy:
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Just a question. How do you guys handle people who keep giving critics as if they are 100% knowledgeable with a tone of "arrogance" as a side dish, but when it's their turn to post their stuff, they can't even apply what they preach on their own artwork? I believe everyone has seen this sort of people from different graphics forums.
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I've seen that, Froli.
When I post an artwork, I'll usually let a couple of comment posts get in first so I can see what most people agree on so I can gague what trully needs work.
Also, I'll rely on my own gut-feeling and experience, and if the critique that someone gave me doesn't sit well with me, I'll most likely not follow it.
Now, as someone who is delivering the critique, I tend not to do so unless someone is in dire need of help and I can truly help them.
That said, I tend to only help the newbies who are just getting into pixel art since I don't consider myself high level yet. Especially not compared to the big guns in this message board. :o
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Today is a historic day! I beat Final Fantasy 7! Finally! :D :D :D
I think it's pretty easy to tell where someone's heart is with their critique. As far as I'm concerned, my critics can be as arrogant as they want as long as they give me some good advice and don't just trash my work. If someone is too snobby to explain how to do it properly or do an edit or share a link or resource or even point someone in the right direction, the critique isn't going to be helpful, so it's almost a non-issue.
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I think it boils down to being able to honestly assess your own work. Their attitude and skill should not come into the equation; Helm might give you a shitty piece of advice (ok its unlikely but its POSSIBLE). You must be able to judge these things for yourself, or else the whole point of receiving critique is pretty much lost. You can't just blindly follow all advice, or even all advice from the skilled folks.
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I tend to be on the opposite of adam's scale in that I usually need more convincing than others, it's something i'm working on. partly it's that nothing is more frustrating than not *getting* the critique (or not knowing how to act on it) and that frustration definitely comes out, but I don't mean to direct it at people helping.
I've also had my bad moments. we know this. another thing to work on. my close friend she says I'm so insecure that I have to be stubborn and arrogant just to not panic >.<.
PS : I wonder if anyone else read Froli's comment and thought "fuck, that might be me??" - not that everything is centered around yours truly but well here we go again :P.
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PS : I wonder if anyone else read Froli's comment and thought "fuck, that might be me??" - not that everything is centered around yours truly but well here we go again :P.
Ironically it actually was talking about you. >:D :P
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Well my beef with the whole comment is I think in a lot of ways I actually have learned more from examining and looking for flaws in other people's work than in my own. That definitely sounds arrogant, but I find it much easier to look at other's work with a fresh eye, but once I've identified flaws there I find it much easier to address them in my own work. I'm sure that is narcissistic or arrogant, but hey, it works! Maybe my thought process is "well they messed it up, so i shouldn't feel bad that I messed it up?"
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A great deal of what i've learned is exactly how Adam put it and i feel like i should contribute more for getting free lessons from stalking a lot.
There are a lot of raging art critics around since putting your potentially flawed work out there makes you vulnerable to them. A lot of these angry people get their kicks from pwning others, while essentially a critic should be something completely opposite. The amount of rage is especially high in places that allow anonymous to dwell freely.
I don't see it here on pixelation though. The atmosphere is positive and people are able to disagree without raging and all... i find it quite wonderful.
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To make things clear, I'm not talking about you guys :). Specially a lot of people here are great, seen the individual improvements and has a lot of potential to be high tiers in the art business and game industry. This place is pretty awesome.
It's just I see this often on other forums that I visit, and they critic as if they are an accomplished artist and tells advices as if they are "facts", but draws like a beginner. I think the "Hawk" guy who got banned here long time ago, describes the type of critic I'm referring to. All talk but can't do the walk.
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As far as I'm concerned a good crit is a good crit even if the person giving it can't draw for shit. A lot of people have better eyes for critique than hands for drawing. If a piece of advice helps you address an error in your work you should be happy to have gotten it, not think in terms of 'well DO BETTER YOURSELF THEN!!'. It's not of direct interest if they can or cannot, it doesn't change that you have the error in your work to address yourself.
Also the 'he talks as if he's 100% right' is not directly related to the quality of critique either. You have a brain of your own to make your own choices as to how useful a piece of critique is. That being said I can see how such attitude would grate, but let's be clear it grates because of our own insecurities. And THAT being said such behaviour should probably be moderated in a critique board because a positive attitude, not an antagonistic one, should be cultivated for such a place so as you see we would give notices and warnings to people on attitude in Pixelation. Just keep in mind that on the psychological level, the problem is more with you getting riled up by such attitudes than with the people having the attitude. They might have it because they're conceited jerks that indeed think they're always right, or they might just have no time for pleasantries and just want to help as directly as possible and trust you to make up your own mind as to whether they're right or not.
It's been proved though that if you're super-nice and pepper your critique with more 'that's just my opinion though' s and etc the person getting critiqued will take the harsh crits more lightly at first read. That's both good and bad because a crit taken lightly is a crit lightly dismissed also. And besides, just a scathing, harsh, super in your face mcblunt piece of critique that makes you fume at the first 5 reads of it... well you can read it a sixth time eventually and learn from it, it's on the internet in written form, it's not going anywhere (as opposed to real life verbal crits where being super polite is even more important).
My own reasons for critique have been mentioned a few times and they're pretty benevolent: I get a huge kick out of seeing someone be happy over improving their art because people helped them out of their own good will: it's a small miracle when it happens. Also it helps my own art a huge lot to be critical and analytical of other people's art.
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Beautiful. :)
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As far as I'm concerned a good crit is a good crit even if the person giving it can't draw for shit.
This is true, and I wish I stated my post with better words. I was talking about people who give critics with the illusion he knows what he is talking about by hiding on his fluency in english and copy pasting some words lets say from you helm without even understanding it and then just handing it out like it works on every situation. A newbie might find this convincing and probably do things the wrong way and develop some bad habits
An example would be this guy, I wish I can find his other post but I do remember he keeps tossing this walk cycle few many times as if it's the perfect guideline. And when it was his turn to show his work
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3564.0
Of course his antics in pixelation didn't last long.
Nowadays I lurk often with my limited time in the internet, but when I see guys like hawk in many places .. it still bothers me.
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:crazy:
You realize you're all editing the edit...?
Editation is the first step to perfection. Though the place may be wrong to do so, there is a still a beneficiary purpose that comes out of it.
Fizz, anyway in regards to your example, it's much better now in terms of stance, and even color.
Also upon looking at the animation again there is an issue on the side view on the right foot, (second from front), you shed no real movement into it, what happens is that you have a static chain of pixels for that leg, and then it seems that you create a 3rd leg to substitute stepping while at the same time you retain the original right leg. This would partically be the issue with the movement along with the motion effort put into the model to make it walk. Lastly you might want to even out the sizes because as you see the front view is larger than the side view by at least 2-4 pixels which may cause some issues down the line of production.
This guy's pretty funny.
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and your words are meaningless as you fail to reckon to that reasoning in addition to your childish request for a immature resolve
Man, how could I have missed this? Too good.
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Let's not have a bashing party for a user that isn't even around anymore please.
I was talking about people who give critics with the illusion he knows what he is talking about by hiding on his fluency in english and copy pasting some words lets say from you helm without even understanding it and then just handing it out like it works on every situation. A newbie might find this convincing and probably do things the wrong way and develop some bad habits
Alright then perhaps somebody should intervene, I'll give you that.
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Today is a historic day! I beat Final Fantasy 7! Finally! :D :D :D
'Beat Sephiroth' beaten it? Or 'Beat Ruby and Sapphire Weapon' beaten it?
I mean, except for FFVII's final battle being the most epic of all FF final battles, It's also the easiest really.
There are harder super bosses aswell though. Final Fantasy X is boss in that area. I mean, Penance is just insane.
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I should get back into X... I really liked that one, and VIII too. I played VII, but I stopped before I got to Sephiroth for some reason. I don't know why. The optional bosses at the once place on the field in X were insane hard... I still haven't beaten most of them.
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I'll post this here so I don't clutter up ndchristie's thread:
I've been playing this Genesis game lately...I think it's pretty good at making low-count animations seem good, it's called ComixZone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azIZwsCGjW0
I was just playing this game this morning for the first time in years... hours before you posted that. Weird. Great game though.
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Something is amiss. It just keeps going up on every refresh, too. :wah:
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Just one day till the large hadron collider is activated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
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Just one day till the large hadron collider is activated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
I've been waiting for this more than X-mas or a birthday. Building this thing has been a mind-boggling achievement. Deserves to become a Wonder in Civilization.
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'Beat Sephiroth' beaten it? Or 'Beat Ruby and Sapphire Weapon' beaten it?
I mean, except for FFVII's final battle being the most epic of all FF final battles, It's also the easiest really.
Beaten Sephiroth.
I found it to be easy once I did all the subquests, but that was what made it fun for me towards the end. I had Cloud with 4x Slash and Tifa with Mime, and Knights of the Round and all of the Bahamut summons so I could just kick the tar out of anything I encountered without breaking a sweat, it was a very gratifying reward. I beat one of the weapons (the Centaur-looking one) but the underwater guy is frickin' impossible... it'll give me something to strive for, haha.
I should get back into X... I really liked that one, and VIII too. I played VII, but I stopped before I got to Sephiroth for some reason. I don't know why. The optional bosses at the once place on the field in X were insane hard... I still haven't beaten most of them.
I played quite a ways into X but I didn't really like it that much... I think it was a combination of the art direction and the voice acting. I think out of all the FF games, 7 and 9 were my favorites with 12 coming in a distant third place. Of course I've only beaten 7, heheh. I gave up on 8 shortly after the love scene complete with pop music... INNNN SPAAAAAAACE!
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I should get back into X... I really liked that one, and VIII too. I played VII, but I stopped before I got to Sephiroth for some reason. I don't know why. The optional bosses at the once place on the field in X were insane hard... I still haven't beaten most of them.
I played quite a ways into X but I didn't really like it that much... I think it was a combination of the art direction and the voice acting. I think out of all the FF games, 7 and 9 were my favorites with 12 coming in a distant third place. Of course I've only beaten 7, heheh. I gave up on 8 shortly after the love scene complete with pop music... INNNN SPAAAAAAACE!
Heh, have you played X-2? I'm usually pretty tolerable with bad voice-acting and terrible movies... but I couldn't play X-2 simply because all of the damn flowers and rainbows they were throwing around.
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I played X until I got too fed up with:
Wakka - "I'm a dork, you can tell it by my hair style."
Tidus - "Huh? I dunno, I just play Blitzball."
Yuna - "I'm so spiritual"
And playing Blitzball in itself was sucky. I don't play sports games, and I don't buy RPG games in order to play a sports games.
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I played quite a bit into X actually, but man that game is rubbish. Also I really do not get the appeal of Final Fantasy anymore. I quite liked 6 on the SNES, but even that. They are ALL the same in essense.
All FF games have SHIT storys, I'd rather read a book. They are rather linear as well for being so big and they take quite long to finish where most of what you do is being engaged in random fights. There is not really much game in them as far as I am concerned.
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It will always confound me why FF games enjoy widespread appeal.
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Sorry to derail the thread, but I've never played Final Fantasy.
Has anyone else noticed that the Vista recycle bin is really buggy? I mean, I don't think I've gone through a complete day of using my laptop without having to restore the recycle bin icon on my desktop. For some reason, every time I put something in the recycle bin, rather than change the icon to the recycle bin that's full, it just disappears, and all I can see is the text saying "recycle bin."
If I can find a version of Linux that will run on my laptop and be compatible with everything I have, then I'm about ready to switch.
On that note, is there a distro of Linux that's pretty compatible with everything? The only reason I ask is because I know it gets pretty spotty when it comes to laptops, especially wifi and the like. The distro I was looking at was Debian after talking to a few hardcore Linux users, and it seems pretty well-supported, but if you guys have any suggestions, that would be helpful.
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It will always confound me why FF games enjoy widespread appeal.
That's simple I think. If nothing else it's OK escapism.
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It will always confound me why FF games enjoy widespread appeal.
That's simple I think. If nothing else it's OK escapism.
I do believe there's a connection between escapism and grinding. I remember playing Ultima 5 for years, but I didn't play it in order to beat the game, I played it in order to spend time in Britannia, which I preferred to real world at the time, being angsty teenager and all, and grinding, killing enemies for the sake of XP and loot gave me something to do while in Britannia, an excuse to be in that world. Same thing with FF, maybe. It may be be that in FF following an epic story offers more in terms of escapism than grinding, although there's a lot of that as well. (Random encounter fights, what a horrible idea. But servers the purpose in this case.)
I've played WOW a little, not much, but I believe if I were a teenager now, I'd play WOW with the same intensity as I did U5. Mostly for the sake escapism, WOW is really good at that. Never mind that it isn't much of a game in a more strict sense.
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I tend to have 'moments' where I just feel like grinding. They're few and far between, but those are usually the times I play a FF game. Then a week later I don't even want to turn the game on, and this can go on for months.
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'Beat Sephiroth' beaten it? Or 'Beat Ruby and Sapphire Weapon' beaten it?
I mean, except for FFVII's final battle being the most epic of all FF final battles, It's also the easiest really.
Beaten Sephiroth.
I found it to be easy once I did all the subquests, but that was what made it fun for me towards the end. I had Cloud with 4x Slash and Tifa with Mime, and Knights of the Round and all of the Bahamut summons so I could just kick the tar out of anything I encountered without breaking a sweat, it was a very gratifying reward. I beat one of the weapons (the Centaur-looking one) but the underwater guy is frickin' impossible... it'll give me something to strive for, haha.
I should get back into X... I really liked that one, and VIII too. I played VII, but I stopped before I got to Sephiroth for some reason. I don't know why. The optional bosses at the once place on the field in X were insane hard... I still haven't beaten most of them.
I played quite a ways into X but I didn't really like it that much... I think it was a combination of the art direction and the voice acting. I think out of all the FF games, 7 and 9 were my favorites with 12 coming in a distant third place. Of course I've only beaten 7, heheh. I gave up on 8 shortly after the love scene complete with pop music... INNNN SPAAAAAAACE!
I think IX is my favourite actually. Though I've also enjoyed FFVI alot lately. And FFVII. And well, I enjoy most of em actually. hehe.
I've never beaten Ozma in FFIX, did you ever try him? In the chocobo air garden? That guy is insane. Once his first attack was meteor, and it just killed of my party in one hit.
He's brutaly fast. He often can go 3 turns before you go once, even with auto haste. And it's not like he holds back in those turns either.
Yeah the centaur thing I beat aswell, that's Ultima Weapon. For some reason Ultimate is not the best (Eh?). Ruby and Sapphire are on a whole other level then him. I thought they had a few milion hp too.
There's only a single strategy to em I think. Something with multiplying Knights of the Round or something.
Penance in FFX is alot harder then the beasts on the field. (Taking you're talking about Ultima Buster and so on) It's like comparing an ant to a dragon. Penance has 12 milion hp. And you need to have everyone's Sphere grid entirely full.
Yeah, you got that right. That's ALOT of grinding.
And yeah that voice acting. When Yuna said Tidus should laugh. Man it was so bad I rolled on the floor laughing.
But it didn't bother me that much overall. And I really like FFX's battle system. It's much faster and more dynamic then the normal turn based system.
JJ: You didn't have to play it. Well once, but you weren't required to win it or anything.
It's fun how, if you have omni slash and Ultima Weapon at Sephiroth, you can instantly kill him. Really lame but also quite funny.
It always appears to me that alot of FF's aren't liked because they're too comercial or something. Same with what I find about alot of music.
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if you want a few hints of defeating ozma have a look here:
http://www.ffinsider.net/final-fantasy-9/ozma.php
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All I really like in the FF games is exploring and the music
If I could play through the games without battling, I'd probably do that.
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Helm : i believe it's the clearly superior, original design, epic, open-ended storylines, believable, poetic romances, and above all the deep, multi-faceted character development.
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It always appears to me that alot of FF's aren't liked because they're too comercial or something. Same with what I find about alot of music.
That, I think is the lamest excuse not to like something. I for my part am OK with stuff that is commercial, I like stuff like HL2 for example or the Mario games. But FF imo fails, it's all wooo epic story and such, but the stories are SHIT, in all of them.
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Just one day till the large hadron collider is activated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
Here's a website with a huge number of beautiful photographs of the collider:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html)
They're extremely inspiring to me in a creative sense even though I have no idea what I'm looking at...
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Ehh, Final Fantasy never piqued my interest. In fact, there was only one RPG game I actually liked alot, and that was Chrono Trigger. The kicker is I never finished it, as I got stuck at one point and said " Screw it, I'm done." I loved the background music for it though. I look at FF and think, "can this be another Chrono Trigger for me?" and soon shut it down, as the design elements of the FF franchise are too much for me. Seriously, let's pack belts and fanny packs on parts of clothes that have absolutely no use for them, and call it fashionable. And of course Androgyny...the FF games gotta' have the androgyny.
I just Read The Watchmen. Took me about 3 days. Very fun comic and I can see how it gained so much praise in it's day(I was born in 1986, so I can't compare what was great then to now...so spare me the lectures). My only problem was towards the end. The way in which the city is taken out, is too far fetched for me. Every thing moved so nicely as the characters display real human emotions, and the costumes don't really overtake their personalities. But the bad guy plot to save the world just kinda' hindered it, and most of the heroes were so damn easy to agree to it. Like an immediate halt to their personalities, and turned them from wolves back to sheep. I don't know, just found that weird. But I guess that's where the whole "Who watches the watchmen?" pathos moves behind the intricate stories in the plot. However, Dr. Manhattan's questionable quarrel of morality of human emotions to a superior god-like being was great food for thought. It's funny to think how important we think we are, when out there, we ARE MEANINGLESS to the mega-giant structures that have formed themselves through out the billions of years. And there's more to boot! That being said, I was also happy with Rorschach's character. Great anti-hero antics.
Due to this, I have just ordered Miller's Dark Knight returns, and hope to have another great read in my hands. Any one have any other suggestions, as far as great graphic novels?
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It's me again!
My computer's finally back up and running, after MONTHS of brokeness. Turns out all it needed was a new graphics card, a new motherboard, a new processor, new RAM and a new HD to install a new copy of Windows on!
Oh, hay, we're talking about Final Fantasy? I have a couple nickles to throw in about disliking things that are too commercial. Sometimes I feel like I do that. It's not something I'm proud of and I wish I didn't, but sometimes it feels like it. I've noticed, however, that my reason for not being into Final Fantasy is different. Frankly, I've never been into any FF game, and it just feels like, the more games they make, the more meh and samey it all becomes. The first step in the wrong direction, in my opinion, is making a billion games all with the same name... That, along with some othert things, makes it seem like they're intentionally reusing a lot of stuff just to make it easier to make a games and sell them. And it's probably true. If the next FF game doesn't have FF in the title, fewer people will buy it.
But like Ptoing said, exactly every Final Fantasy I've seen anything of seems to try to be as huge and epic as it can possibly make itself out to be. And they end up doing nothing at all to make me interested. Especially when they make it obvious that, yes, it's just another Final Fantasy game, in the long, long row. So it's not so much it being commercial, but it being so damn mass produced, and seeming proud of it... I just don't get that. Maybe it'd change if I actually took the time required to play a few games in the series, but I don't feel I have thousands of hours free to spend on grinding and fighting ridiculously long-winded bosses.
I'd rather play Halo or Zelda, anyway. If I want more epic than that, I'll revisit Chrono Trigger. Doesn't get much more epic than those three combined.
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I don't think it has to do with being commercial in itself but more with how all aspects of the design of it insult me as a thinking, feeling being.
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I don't think it has to do with being commercial in itself but more with how all aspects of the design of it insult me as a thinking, feeling being.
agreed. the worst part is that their other current franchises are even worse about this, particularly anything for the handhelds (with the possible exception of the remake that's coming for the DS, though i'm not holding my breath)
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Also it is quite disgusting how much they are whoring out the FF franchise with remakes and whatnot.
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Due to this, I have just ordered Miller's Dark Knight returns, and hope to have another great read in my hands. Any one have any other suggestions, as far as great graphic novels?
If you're in the mood for some lighter fare after all that dark futuristic stuff, check out Scott Pilgrim or Creature Tech.
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Also it is quite disgusting how much they are whoring out the FF franchise with remakes and whatnot.
Better than ports, though.
I just tend to enjoy the gameplay... I kind of pass on the story as it's just too much and in the end it doesn't really matter to me.
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I myself was never interested in the Final Fantasy games. Mainly because I'm not into turn-based games. They're just not as fun as games with real-time action that requires reflexes and quick-thinking.
Infact, my fave type of games are fighter games believe it or not. I'm the kind of person that can't play a game for hours because I'll just get bored or tired of it, so I like the kind of games where I can play for 30 minutes to an hour and get my fix. And fighter games are great like that.
Though if I'm playing with friends, I can play for much longer with company.
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Due to this, I have just ordered Miller's Dark Knight returns, and hope to have another great read in my hands. Any one have any other suggestions, as far as great graphic novels?
If you're in the mood for some lighter fare after all that dark futuristic stuff, check out Scott Pilgrim or Creature Tech.
I recently re-read TDKR...parts of it were way more lame than I remembered but the overall mood of the story was much more complex than I recalled...but if you're into superhero stories at all, I highly recommend Powers and Invincible, I think beside Watchmen these are the most interesting ways to tell a superhero story. Powers is the more experimental of the two, Invincible is more just...pure, indulgent superhero greatness. Invincible reads the way you remember X-Men or Spiderman as a kid, even though if you went back and read those comics now you would be appalled by how terrible they are.
ADDENDUM: Ex Machina is also a really cool way of telling a superhero story, definitely recommend that one too!
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I have never been more confused on a forum than today when I browsed past one of Helm's posts and not realizing it was him, even though I saw the last post was by him. His avatar just does not look... 'Helmish'.
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Also it is quite disgusting how much they are whoring out the FF franchise with remakes and whatnot.
True, but I really enjoyed Crisis Core actually. Though Dirge of Cerberus for example was complete crap.
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I have never been more confused on a forum than today when I browsed past one of Helm's posts and not realizing it was him, even though I saw the last post was by him. His avatar just does not look... 'Helmish'.
Aye.
It makes me cry that it's a cat. I don't like cats. Especially ones that are stuck outside and look in the window with giant, glowing eyes and mewl occasionally. I want to throw them at themselves.
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You want to throw a cat... at itself ??? :'(
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cats are cool :(
Dunno if I mentioned this here, but I recently found a calico kitten (actually, it's been over a month since we found her) and we named her Pixel. <3
It's gonna take me a minute to associate that avatar with your posts now, helm. Totally threw me off.
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If I hear another person saying they don't like cats they get a strike. Pixelation is a cat-loving place and I ain't even kidding.
man, this post would have gone better when I didn't have something adorable for an avatar but instead a twitchy frowny metal dude.
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mothertrucker stole my cat :
(http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/prada338.jpg)
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I've had a bad history with cats... one immobilized me for a period of a couple weeks. Worst cat bite the doc had ever seen. One left a scar on my face when it got scared in a car... and many more horrible stories. I have good reason to hate cats....strike me...I dare you
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I've had a bad history with cats... one immobilized me for a period of a couple weeks. Worst cat bite the doc had ever seen. One left a scar on my face when it got scared in a car... and many more horrible stories. I have good reason to hate cats....strike me...I dare you
let them hate us, as long as they fear us...
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Everyone knows that ferrets are smarter though. ( http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2544681113_3038a02335.jpg?v=0 ).
I agree it's very hard to create a bond between Helm and the cat avvy. These two just dont match. Maybe a grim-metal-goat would have done better :P
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You'll learn to love me again. OR PERISH >:(
also Indigo, I won't strike you, it seems cats have done that enough on their own :(
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Nonsense! I always knew that deep down, underneath the mean twitches, and the cold expression, Helm was really just a cute lil fella, just looking for a hug. I have two cats, and their favorite pass time is either ambush me while carrying juice, or attacking each other for dominance.. I keep hoping they'll get along even though I know they never will. Shame.
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I love my two cats. One is a fat lazy bastard that lays around all day, and the other is a cute little runt that, even full grown, is as small as a kitten and full of energy.
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dogs and cats can get along
now listen to my song
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7881/ghostgang1cq3.jpg)
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Helm, I totally love your new avatar! I could go into the whole "OMG! It's so cuuuute! ^.^ ", but I'll spare you all that.
And yes, cats are totally cool. I used to have a cat named Gizmo. He was a real cutey and a scrapper too. A shame he moved out.
This here be Gizmo, says I!
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ed71dfd01c.jpg)
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Cat postan time! Pam is her name.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/huzba/pam-1.jpg)
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I have three cats. Here's Milky with her kittens last summer:
(http://broken-words.com/misc/digipics/pennut_6.jpg)
Hobbes and Kitkat
(http://broken-words.com/misc/digipics/pennut_9d.jpg)
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Huz: your kitten is so beautiful.
JJ NNaass: holy shit, kitten babies! So beautiful! The mother is blissful. This picture makes me feel deep joy.
Hobbes and Kitkat on the other hand are spacelord cats through and through. Conquering the universe with laser eyes.
Nd's cat is very purty as well. I want to stroke its chin
Ryona's cat is probably great too but such a small picture!
My main cat is this (http://www.locustleaves.com/Iloveyou.png)
She's 3. Her name is Cat. I love her so. She lives now in this house with, and hates
(http://www.locustleaves.com/kittycapture.jpg)
Black Thing (yes that is its name, shut up I couldn't tell if it was male or female when I first got it cuz its' pitch black and its peepee was so tiny. It's a he, but it's still Black Thing, until it becomes a full cat. Then it'll be Black).
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I have some bad memories from cats. And I don't mean the scratch/bite but the break heart thing D:
We had 2 cats. A brother and a sister. Kruimel and Pluisje (Dutch names, heh.) Pluisje got hit by a car when she was 1. Yes, 1.
And Kruimel died of a sort of cat aids which they can get from fighting when he was 8. (Well it wasn't really the dissease, but it was better to put him down since
he would've died from it eventually.)
So we had 2 cats, and both of em combined about lived as long as half the life of a normal cat...
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"The smallest feline is a masterpiece."
- Leonardo da Vinci
Unfortunately due to living in an apartment with a no pets policy I cannot have a cat at the moment. My list of animals I want to own when I get a house is very long, and unrealistic: cat, dog, rabbit, goat, goose, duck, chicken...
Maybe I should get a farm.
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Unfortunately due to living in an apartment with a no pets policy I cannot have a cat at the moment.
heh, that didn't stop the guys and I getting Prada :P. Most apartments have a no-cat policy in the lease so that if there is a complaint, they can ask you to remove the animal. same with covering the floors (so that if they get scratched, you're responsible for the damage). However, neither rule is usually a real rule, it's just a precaution. my cat sometimes plays with my landlord's new puppies.
Maybe I should get a farm.
Yeah, i miss my old farm....
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JJ NNaass: holy shit, kitten babies! So beautiful! The mother is blissful. This picture makes me feel deep joy.
Two of the kittens were very weak when they were born. One of them actually died for a few seconds, stopped breathing and went completely stiff in front of my eyes, but I quickly picked him up and tapped his chest with my finger and his heart started beating again. He got a saccharine injection at the vet and got enough energy from that to recover. We had to tube feed them for a couple of weeks until they were strong enough to feed themselves. Now they're all grown up healthy cats and have found good families to live in. :)
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You are my hero, no bullshit.
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Helm, I wanna pet your kitty on the belly.
I have a dog, but I don't have a camera so I don't have any pictures of her. She's lazy, though, so they'd probably just be pictures of her lying there.
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None of my pictures are very recent, I have recent pictures but they're stowed away on some random computer and I'll have to dig them up later.
Reeses, my youngest, and runt. This is when we first got her... and she is still pretty much the same size. We found her in my grandmother's backyard and took her home(my grandmother has tons of strays around her house) when she was still a wee kitten. I took care of her for a few months, bottlefed her and all that stuff. Then she turns around and takes to my sister instead, and she doesn't even like me petting her, even though I raised her :/
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4268/reeses1mz6.jpg)
Patches, the fatty... this is before he gained 1000 pounds, though. Today, he looks just like Cat, you posted Helm, and in fact loves to lay in the middle of the floor just like that. Also from my grandmother's backyard. He was a little older when we got him, but still a kitten. Had all kinds of worms and stuff(which we found out a few days later when he started leaving them behind on us). Not much to say, regardless of being taken off the street, he is picky as hell about his food.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6460/patches1yc3.jpg)
I should note both are from the same cat, though a year apart. They can't stand each other though and fight whenever they're together. Their mother, though, we call Hitler. She has a black spot that is shaped just like Hitler's mustache under her nose. Perhaps one day I can get a picture.
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Ooh, kitties!
(http://www.retinaleclipse.com/013228.jpg)
Here are my two. The brown and white one is Timmy and the other one is his brother Tuss. This is the only picture I have of them at the moment since the rest is still on my old (and dead) computer. I've had them for a year and a half now. Timmy is crazy about cables and anything stringlike and will eat anything he finds. :( He likes to sleep on my lap on his back with his paws up in the air. Tuss also likes to sleep on my lap, but he's so hyper, especially when he's happy, so it takes a while for him to settle down. My dad's cat can be carried comfortably with one arm, but Timmy likes to have firm support under all his paws, and Tuss will start out sitting upright and then lean over sideways until he's horizontal. :lol:
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Awww, so many cute cats. Makes me happy.
JJNaas: Awesome :D You rock!
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I tend to have 'moments' where I just feel like grinding. They're few and far between, but those are usually the times I play a FF game. Then a week later I don't even want to turn the game on, and this can go on for months.
I think this is true. While I only play RPGS when they've got some kind of interesting gameplay tidbit, generally those still have grinding. I think one's wilingness to submit to grinding is in how familiar one's currently feeling with whatever process they're having you repeat.
I think if you can do it a few times perfectly in a row, they shouldnt ask you to do it any more times, and let you move on to the next "level" or whatever. I think this could also be applied to games like Noitu Love 2, Gradius 5 and such, I see little point in making the player repeat a stage if he can do it with his eyes closed.
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Ryona's cat is probably great too but such a small picture!
Yeah, I don't know what happened there. It's supposed to be bigger but it shrunk somehow. ???
Anyway, here's the same pic. Hopefuly it'll appear in its full size.
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3128/gizmoco2.jpg)
And hurrah for all the cat pics! So many fuzzy cuteness! ^_^
And to be honest, I never thought I was a cat-person before I got my cat. Was anyone else here like that?
Oh, and I'm betting, Helm, that your avatar was inspired by your cat Black Thing. ;)
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MEET FRODO! (finally found my only picture of him :( )
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/baybaybom/Image005.jpg)
God I loved this cat. As a baby (what are baby cats called?) he got stuck in an abandoned apartment next to me, but he was a little badass from the get go...he would scream to stop the whole BUILDING from sleeping.....so I fed him milk and that made him calm down a bit. One day the owner came and let him out.....the apartment was a total mess :crazy: :lol:
When he came out he was a little thing..like just a bit bigger than my hand but he could still jump up to like my waist....and he'd hang around the neigborhood because his mother apparently abandoned him. I slowly lured him into my room with milk n treats, until one day it was like he recognized I had saved his life and he just became my cat then =). He was with us and he was awesome, my room goes to the neigborhood's ceilings so he'd go in and out...but he'd come to me in an instant if I ever called him :D (how many cats do that?) He'd also meow like he was trying to talk...I'd argue with my mom and he'd get on my side XD trying to make as much noise as we did.
Then one day he just left =/ he had been weird for about a week.....so I HOPE it's because he went to someone else's house -_- I wish I took more pictures :'(
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MEET FRODO! (finally found my only picture of him :( )
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/baybaybom/Image005.jpg)
God I loved this cat. As a baby (what are baby cats called?) he got stuck in an abandoned apartment next to me, but he was a little badass from the get go...he would scream to stop the whole BUILDING from sleeping.....so I fed him milk and that made him calm down a bit. One day the owner came and let him out.....the apartment was a total mess :crazy: :lol:
When he came out he was a little thing..like just a bit bigger than my hand but he could still jump up to like my waist....and he'd hang around the neigborhood because his mother apparently abandoned him. I slowly lured him into my room with milk n treats, until one day it was like he recognized I had saved his life and he just became my cat then =). He was with us and he was awesome, my room goes to the neigborhood's ceilings so he'd go in and out...but he'd come to me in an instant if I ever called him :D (how many cats do that?) He'd also meow like he was trying to talk...I'd argue with my mom and he'd get on my side XD trying to make as much noise as we did.
Then one day he just left =/ he had been weird for about a week.....so I HOPE it's because he went to someone else's house -_- I wish I took more pictures :'(
Why kittens of course!
Here's off topic in the off topic thread. And with that I mean unrelated to cats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VAPyQggMOU
It's a song I made in Fruity Loops, inspired by Nobuo's work. I've been working in FL a small while now and I'm really starting to take a liking in it.
I would apreciate if some of you'd listen to it, and maybe even give me a coment or some critisism?
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because his mother apparently abandoned him
That's sad. I've mentioned before my grandmother gets lots of stray cats in her backyard... I should mention there are always new kittens that get abandoned back there. I don't know why, but they do. Always new kittens appearing(in fact, I saw a new one today).
It's always sweet because there is one cat(Hitler, whom I mentioned, who is the mother of my two cats) that always takes them as her own. I never knew cats really fostered orphans or anything like that, but it's amazing how many kittens she has raised regardless of having no blood relation at all. Most kittens don't make it, which is sad, but she still takes care of the ones she can.
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Yeepee, time to
ruin someone's ego give constructive comments about a music ;D
First of all, I'd say you're on a good way and I think that the flaws I hear in this song are the type of flaws that will simply vanish away with practice.
Next good thing is that you captured quite well the Uematsu feel and it pops very quickly as an influence of yours so you can consider this a success.
Now about the flaws : the first problem I hear is the samples' quality which is pretty low. Your brass sound is especially cheap and only the Hammond Organ wasnt too amateur.
About the instrumentation, I'd say that there's one missing layer or something like this. There's nothing between the bass+drum duo and the lead tracks. The overall thing sounds a bit "empty" because of this. The bass-brass duo bit especially suffers from this lack.
Regarding the composition, I think that percussions are your weak point because they sound a bit messy, esp. in the beginning (it gets better at 0'50 though).
On the other hand, the tune is easy to remember so that's a good point for you =)
EDIT : While we're at it...a WIP of mine. CC is very welcome :P
http://fil.razorback.free.fr/n3.mp3
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I just Read The Watchmen. Took me about 3 days. Very fun comic and I can see how it gained so much praise in it's day(I was born in 1986, so I can't compare what was great then to now...so spare me the lectures)
Due to this, I have just ordered Miller's Dark Knight returns, and hope to have another great read in my hands. Any one have any other suggestions, as far as great graphic novels?
I was born in 1985, and I just recently found out about Watchmen and Moore in general, and I love it. Only thing I can think of that satisfied me nearly as much as Watchmen was Akira. Care to tell me what piece of work makes you look down on Watchmen?
Return of The Dark Knight?...it's good, but Miller never comes close to Moore, IMO Miller always kind of taps on the "badass" character type...gets boring after a while. Still, Dark Knight is quite the read. From what I do (or dont) know Miller and Moore practically invented the anti-hero.
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Let's not go that far (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-hero) but they certainly kicked the superhero industry a nudge closer to the position to address the more mature concerns of their potential readership. They haven't moved a bit from there since then. I do share your enthusiasm for Watchmen (though not Miller's work) but I wouldn't have much superhero comics to suggest from there. Many non-superhero ones, though.
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Many non-superhero ones, though.
Do tell.
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Wow. Lots of cute cats! Everyone has such pretty companions. :)
My younger brother told me yesterday that he convinced my parents to get a cat for the family. We have been trying to convince them for years and then they give in just like that, when I'm on the other side of the planet! No fair! I hope they wait until I get back home in the spring. Or the cat will probably just like them, and take no shine to me at all. :(
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I will suggest artists to you, and if you would like to know where to start, I can suggest specific comics by them too.
Are you familiar with Chris Ware? I do suggest his work. Also, Burns, Tomine, Clowes for the more existential American indie comic.
You could do worse than read Moebius, Bilal, Pazienza, Manara, Liberatore... so on. There's just a huge range just right there that is inexhaustible.
Alberto Breccia is our lord and master he's done all that the above did, before them, alone, while struggling to feed a family and help a sick wife with the little money he made from his work in Argentina. and he did even MORE. The true master, the unsung genius of the field.
Speaking of genii If you haven't read Will Eisner, you simply must.
Robert Crumb, surely.
Dave Sim went halfway crazy to give to you comics like you never thought there could be.
Paul Chadwick certainly.
Craig P.Russell and Barry W. Smith are my biggest inspirations about the beauty in human forms (perhaps Neal Adams too!).
Geoff Darrow for detail.
Mark Schultz.
Do you want manga artists too?
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Carl Barks, even though hes been shoehorned to the dead funny-animal genre, is a real great. He managed to write and draw compelling and aesthetically pleasing ducks. disney characters for christ sakes. He has some pretty decent torchbearers but they are all fairly derivative of his style.
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Helm: That Alberto guy seems pretty extraordinary.some of his techniques are so unorthodox! Oil based inks on glass?
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Should i be considered a comic book noob (which I know I am) if I like Frank Miller? From what little i've read its okay.. but then again, lack of monetary status disallows me from pursuing the reading of comic books/graphics novels.
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Frank Miller did some very important things in his Daredevil run in my opinion, and DK is a huge, very important point in american superhero comics. However it's been a long way, decidedly, down since. His very good stuff resonates with me still, but as I grow older I can see the pathology in his writing. He seems incapable these days to write a woman character who isn't a ninja whore, which is kinda depressing and I must say I didn't take kindly to his take on spartan culture and so on.
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Yeepee, time to ruin someone's ego give constructive comments about a music ;D
First of all, I'd say you're on a good way and I think that the flaws I hear in this song are the type of flaws that will simply vanish away with practice.
Next good thing is that you captured quite well the Uematsu feel and it pops very quickly as an influence of yours so you can consider this a success.
Now about the flaws : the first problem I hear is the samples' quality which is pretty low. Your brass sound is especially cheap and only the Hammond Organ wasnt too amateur.
About the instrumentation, I'd say that there's one missing layer or something like this. There's nothing between the bass+drum duo and the lead tracks. The overall thing sounds a bit "empty" because of this. The bass-brass duo bit especially suffers from this lack.
Regarding the composition, I think that percussions are your weak point because they sound a bit messy, esp. in the beginning (it gets better at 0'50 though).
On the other hand, the tune is easy to remember so that's a good point for you =)
EDIT : While we're at it...a WIP of mine. CC is very welcome :P
http://fil.razorback.free.fr/n3.mp3
Thank you Fil. It's hard getting by good instruments, especially since I don't have money to spare on them.
However, it might also just have to do with my choice of instruments that maybe sound akward together or something?
I'd love to be able to buy Steinber's Symphonic Orchestra or something.
I don't think I did that bad though, considering I have only been working with Fruity Loops for about 2 months, mostly focusing on house and electro.
And I furthermore have no musical experience whatsoever.
However I will be taking guitar lessons soon!
Your WIP sounds nice, I don't have anything to critisize on it...yet. Maybe on the full version. We'll see :D
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Frank Miller did some very important things in his Daredevil run in my opinion, and DK is a huge, very important point in american superhero comics. However it's been a long way, decidedly, down since. His very good stuff resonates with me still, but as I grow older I can see the pathology in his writing. He seems incapable these days to write a woman character who isn't a ninja whore, which is kinda depressing and I must say I didn't take kindly to his take on spartan culture and so on.
See, what you have to do is go to some event where Miller is, ComiCon or something, dunno. Dress up in proper spartan gear and the go "THIS! IS! SPARTA!" and boot him in the gut!
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Not to ruin the best scene in that movie but... before he kicked a bunch of Persians into it, weren't they using that well?
"Mommy this water tastes like dead people."
"Shut up and drink it! You're a Spartan!"
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Not to ruin the best scene in that movie but... before he kicked a bunch of Persians into it, weren't they using that well?
"Mommy this water tastes like dead people."
"Shut up and drink it! You're a Spartan!"
if i remember, they actually did throw the messengers into a pit, as did the Athenians, but it was more along the lines of a "refuse pile" and may have been figurative description rather than a literal one (as most ancient cultures are known not only for using metaphors, but knowing what they meant). Herodotus, our best contemporary source, was like four years old and lived in modern turkey, so he was citing legend and gossip more than history. Of course the greeks, famed for cleanliness and oration as they are, may still have decided that a few dead guys in their water was somehow acceptable.
saw dark knight again (third time's the charm?), few scenes lost their edge when you know what's going to happen, but the one that was definitely more intense each viewing was "why so serious?" and shortly after the "tryouts" bit.
While I respect many comic artists, there are few that I love. Alberto Breccia is one. The one catch is that his work needs to be read in Spanish, even if Oesterheld wrote it.
Speaking of Oesterheld, i should say that while i respect many comic writers, there are few that I love...although his most moving work is probably his own unwritten biography.
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I must say I didn't take kindly to his take on spartan culture and so on.
Thank you. 300 was stupid and the movie was a repetetive pile of cccrrraaappp. And that asshole director is the guy who thought it neccessary to make a movie out of watchmen.
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Well it seems like I'm lucky to be alive. Yesterday I was sick and asked my grandmother for Excedrin's for my headache. She gave me two pills that were the same shape and size, and I took them without second thought. Turns out they were Percocet (http://www.drugs.com/percocet.html). I don't know how many milligrams they were, but they were pretty large and apparently the most a single pill can have is 600mg, and the human body can only take 1000mg. It was a terrible night, I was sick to my stomach, I had the shakes, I was cold, tired. Apparently, ODing is fatal with this stuff, so I guess I should consider myself lucky. Other effects of ODing is going into coma's, and liver damage.
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Neither athenians nor spartans ever killed messengers because that was high hubris. And the legend of the spartans goes that they threw defective children after birth down the slope of Keadas, which is a completely different issue.
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2 percosets aren't going to kill you. i've taken 3 and been fine. Like you said all that happens is you get teh sweats and can't sleep. You're drowsy and out of it but you can't sleep. I don't know about the stomach pains. That might be particular to you. What extended and prolonged overuse will do is damage your liver. But so will the acetominophen in tylenol as well as a few shots of gin. You're not going to OD with this stuff with 1000 mgs unless you are an anorexic chihuahua (are you?) or someone with liver disease or allergies.
And speaking of nonsense, Alan Moore is SO against the film version of Watchmen that he has negotiated to remove his name from that POS Zack Snyders' film and have all royalties go to Dave Gibbons. I'd like to see Frank Miller show nuts like that over one of his terrible film adaptations.
Side note: Wow, Zhang Yimou really put together a spectacle in ol' Beijing, eh?
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2 percosets aren't going to kill you. i've taken 3 and been fine. Like you said all that happens is you get teh sweats and can't sleep. You're drowsy and out of it but you can't sleep. I don't know about the stomach pains. That might be particular to you. What extended and prolonged overuse will do is damage your liver. But so will the acetominophen in tylenol as well as a few shots of gin. You're not going to OD with this stuff with 1000 mgs unless you are an anorexic chihuahua (are you?) or someone with liver disease or allergies.
I'm pretty damn small(127lbs @ 5'7"). As for the lucky to be alive stuff, it's just what everyone keeps telling me, and what all the sites that document this stuff seem to imply. It's a relief to hear it wasn't as fatal as they made it out to be, but I seemed to have every other symptom they listed on the OD chart except for no breathing/coma/death.
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I will suggest artists to you, and if you would like to know where to start, I can suggest specific comics by them too.
Are you familiar with Chris Ware? I do suggest his work. Also, Burns, Tomine, Clowes for the more existential American indie comic.
You could do worse than read Moebius, Bilal, Pazienza, Manara, Liberatore... so on. There's just a huge range just right there that is inexhaustible.
Alberto Breccia is our lord and master he's done all that the above did, before them, alone, while struggling to feed a family and help a sick wife with the little money he made from his work in Argentina. and he did even MORE. The true master, the unsung genius of the field.
Speaking of genii If you haven't read Will Eisner, you simply must.
Robert Crumb, surely.
Dave Sim went halfway crazy to give to you comics like you never thought there could be.
Paul Chadwick certainly.
Craig P.Russell and Barry W. Smith are my biggest inspirations about the beauty in human forms (perhaps Neal Adams too!).
Geoff Darrow for detail.
Mark Schultz.
I've heard a little about Alberto Breccia but his stuff is extremely hard to find, online or otherwise. I know and love Chris Ware, Moebius, Will Eisner, Crumb, Mark Schultz (though that name took me a google to remember :-[). I like Milo Manara a bit but he seems to have only drawn one woman his entire run, I know it's deliberate but I can't say I care for it. My only experience with Liberatore is a little bit of Ran-Xerox and I can't say I found it all that interesting tbh. Cerebus is so fucking loooooong that I haven't actually begun reading it yet. It seems like an event I would have to plan in advance. :wah: I got some Barry Windsor-Smith on the go right now, if you could recommend some stuff by Adrien Tomine and P. Craig Russell I would love you forever, they seem pretty interesting.
Do you want manga artists too?
Please.
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hmm. Why personally, I can understand making stuff up to make a better story, I also didn't like 300. I mean, quite personally, I think authentic history, or getting it as authentic as possible with the info we have, is infinitely more interesting than anything you could make up.
Again to make demands/ask questions, are there any recommendations for good graphic novels that aren't too hard to find? I mean, I really don't live near anywhere which I could call a good purveyor of Comics, and the libraries around me don't stock too many things that aren't really 'mainstream'. I suppose, really, the most notable comics I've read are 1602 and Sin City: Booze, Broads and Blood, again due to being unable to find much of anything..
As for comics I'd like to read, again due to lack of knowledge, are Sandman, Ronin, Hard goodbye, and I'm interested in Hellboy, though from the looks of the covers, the art style doesn't really appeal to me.
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No shops near where you live?
Heh, there's a huge shop right at your fingertips, it's called The Internet :p
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Some fave comic artist of mine that haven't been mentioned yet:
Hugo Pratt
Christin & Mezieres
Gilbert Shelton
Peter Bagge
Doing a historically accurate comic is a very delicate thing. I've seen it happen many times that the story gets buried under a showing-off of accuracy. That probably doesn't happen with movies so much, probably because of the money it takes to do a historical epic, so the producers make sure the story is at least entertaining, accuracy is an added bonus for them. One thing plaguing movies that really pisses me off sometimes is implementing modern values and a mindset into an ancient period, and the hero is of course the most modern thinker of all, rarely even has slaves or anything.
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Yeah I love Hugo Pratt too. :)
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Manara's drawn one woman in his whole life but that hasn't stopped him from doing some monumental comics like 'Indian Summer' with Pratt or "A dream? Perhaps..." I wouldn't know for the life of me where you'd find scans for that stuff, but if you ever do, you'll see what I mean.
Adrian Tomine: he puts out a fanzine named Optic Nerve through Fantagraphics. Get it. Craig P. Russell, you should get his adaptation of M.Moorecocks 'Stormbringer' for some of the best made comics I've ever seen.
Manga Artists: Yukito Kishiro of Battle Angel Alita fame is my dad. Inque Takehiko with Vagabond pulls off the 'historical comic that is worthwhile' thing we are discussing above with great flare and ease. Jiro Matsumoto's Freesia is very worthwhile. Naturally Shirow for his Appleseed/Dominion/Ghost in the Shell work. Kentarō Miura is the manga artist I have seen grow most in the smallest period of time with his work on Berzerk. Blah blah blah Blade of the Immortal blah blah blah. Jyoji "George" Morikawa's Hajime no Ippo is the only sport manga I've ever read that made me cry. Hideo Yamamoto has on his name three of the comics that made me think the most: Ichi the Killer, Voyeurs Inc. and most recently the monumental 'Homunculus'. Izo Hashimoto makes studies of the human psyce and of breaking faces with fingers with Shamo. Kazuo Koike and the artist Goseki Kojima make Samurai Executioner and Lone Wolf And Cub very worthwhile. I guess that's enough for a while.
Cow your taste in comics is as wonderful as your taste in Heavy Metal. Blessed be :D
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Read most of those and own the ones that are available, except for Vagabond which is at finnish vol3 atm. Might check around if the full series is available in english. I think none of Hideo Yamamoto's works have been released in english, so gotta go for scanlations. Been waiting for vol9 of homunculus for quite a while now. Shamo i haven't heard about....
For light-hearted otaku reading, genshiken is pretty good and Welcome to N.H.K. for less light hearted failing at life sort of thing.
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I found Genshiken to be a very grating read, not because it's not well-done, just that this sort of otaku lifestyle is a self-entrapping cliche that I would like to be as far away from as possible.
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I find there's certain honesty about it though. Otaku know what it is and they're fine with it, while there are a lot of people trapped in just as simple things and are completely oblivious about it. I wouldn't start living like that for sure, but i bet it would be fun for a day or two. Wasn't Genshiken a lot about how sad it really is to be otaku, and how a lot of their hardships are directly caused by otakuness? Some were ashamed of it, some were open and didn't care how stupid it was, some grew out of it and so on. I don't like obsession over things, but it's certainly interesting to follow a group of people who are shutting themself out for the sake of plastic gundam and eroge gods.
You can read it as otaku, or as someone who loathes otaku, or something in between. The manga itself doesn't take sides i think.
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Yeah it's well-done and allows for various reads and it did make me laugh/hold my head combo at the pyo pyo sex bit, but I find obsession to be inherently pathologic, and attempts to self-realize through obsession doomed to failure (or just wishful thinking fantasies fulfillment in comic form) and are very sad for me to follow.
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The general population does have a quest for happiness that ends up in various obsessions, be it over cars, toys, clothes, games or god. They're easy missions to follow, and the many levels of success they offer make people happy, which in turn makes questioning their happiness a very touchy subject. Doubting your happiness can lead to depression and even if you know well of the futility of your obsession, you will pursue it just to not be miserable. Obsession makes your world small and the ends of it are rigth there and visible. Being otaku lets you escape the whole "what on earth am i supposed to do with my life" question.
At the opposite extreme, not getting into anything, thinking critically of everything ends you up without answer, so it's easy to see why anyone would pick the easier path.
Welcome to N.H.K. shows the ultimate failure that can become of the instant gratification path.
All the easy entertainment in the world has made social rejects a big problem already.
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Following god, for real, not just as a neurotic lawgiver, is probably not an easy mission to follow, but yes generally I see what you mean and I agree the overabundance of easy entertainment is creating a lot of interesting and troubling issues in modern consumerist society.
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Religion is an external force telling you what to believe and when to believe it. So is fandom. So is belonging to a social setting. These can never offer real happiness in any way, shape, or form.
Faith is an internal force that directs self-discovery. So is expression/creative passtimes. So is actual love and friendship. These require that you make everything vulnerable, from material goods to the depths of your being, but in exchange you get the universe.
That all sounds very sappy, but don't make the mistake of thinking that diversions produce real happiness. The happiest people in the world have no toys, no clothes, no cars, and, most of all, no obsessions.
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Also "The things you own own you" applies.
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At the opposite extreme, not getting into anything, thinking critically of everything ends you up without answer, so it's easy to see why anyone would pick the easier path.
I've know a couple of people who are critical of absolutely everything, to the extent that they get disconnected from the reality inside their own bubble of (un)certainty, feeling that their own thoughts are the only real thing, the world outside is fake. If you're gonna tear the world apart in search of truth and happiness and whatever, you better be sure you have means to put it back together again, otherwise you'll end up pretty messed up. Being able to find at least one aspect of the world more interesting than any other thing will give you a point of focus, around of which to build. But if you don't start extending your interests beyond that one chosen thing at some point, that leads to serious, damaging obsessiveness, like uber-otakuness.
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Amazing how asking one question about comic book suggestions can somehow segway into religious banter. What next, we turn the tides towards the cosmos and begin to find how minute we are to everything else, like a red or blue supergiant star? Honestly, I've always felt religion to be a good guide book to SOCIAL living and compromise with one another. I don't take it's words literal, only figuratively and apply them to everyday life. People who do take these words literal, are the ones who scare me. Just take it easy, and be happy. That's the one thing you can probably definitely control in your life, so why keep beating yourself down over what means what, or why we are here? We think too much...
(though one passage in the bible kinda' scares me, and it has nothing to do with devils, angels, war or hell. I think it was something along the lines of "and man should not waste his time pondering about the cosmos..."...seriously, that makes me feel as if they WANTED people to be ignorant back then...I could be wrong, or misreading it though)
*YES the first paragraph is the direct opposite as the bottom paragraph's meaning. Oh sweet irony...*
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So I'm trying to get back into programming more, and I chose to start using Java. In the past, I used C++ primarily, and a little QBASIC back in the day.
I chose Java because it's mid-level (so it's powerful, but not too complicated,) it's well-documented (I got a free 700 page book online about it, and it seems pretty official,) and it's completely cross-platform, which doesn't matter for me since it's just recreational programming, but it's nice to know that Mac users and Lunix users can use mah softwarez too.
What I'm wondering, however, is why most programmers that I've encountered on the internets hate Java?
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ndchristie : your loose definitions of internal versus external are fabricated, which is alright, every definition is, but also they are dualist and will present you further in life with a lot of 'does not compute' either/or conundrums. Faith is both an internally motivated issue and an external manifestation, as if everything else blah blah blah. Not to be a pedant cuz it might have just been a matter of wording, but be wary of saying 'good things' are 'internal' and 'bad things' are 'external'. Everything you do, everything you desire is motivated by so many things, and it can turn pathologic or not. The rule of thumb is that if you see a man who is not only superficially happy (which is pretty easy, just take some dope or ride a rollecoaster) but also enduringly secure in themselves and without much of a sign of pathology in any part of their lives, then they must be doing something right and you should take a good look at their lives to see what you can understand from their approach. I think a very important part in being that person is not to be counter-defined by what other people think or society pressures you to be so much. I know this sounds very obvious but in application it is not: it takes deprogramming yourself of talking for example about celebrities, or of perpetuating cliche points of view and so on. It's not as easy as it sounds to peel off the layers of definition society constricts you to send you on your linear path of the good consumerist. You must guard your brain from these things. But on the other hand you must not become a social hermit where you're just away from the world so the world doesn't define you, it takes even more guts: you must define your environment, so that every person that chooses to step inside your life does so by accepting the challenge that "you are not like anyone else and I will do my best to show you I am not like anyone else either". This is not only difficult, it is also a very misunderstood philosophy that creates a lot of superficial animosity from strangers that are very eager to trap you in their cliche understanding of 'the stubborn egotist'.
I agree with the general sentiment of your point, however. I'm just saying, it's not just friendship or love or creativity that will make a man happy, but these things approached in a balanced and non-pathologic way. An open-ness to inspect everything we do leads to a nuanced understanding of it which while imperfect (eternally so) is at least not a hereditary cliche that is placed there to sell shit. Deviations are as needed as the important inner quests in this sense, just approached open mindedly and critically.
JJNaas, your point of view is -again- well presented and I agree with you. I think I am one of these critical-everything-almost-solipsists that was only 'saved' in my life by urgings of other positive pursuits that didn't otherwise fit the behavioral model of the brooding existentialist. It's not something I think makes sense to suggest to anyone "if on an inner journey, be sure to pack some healthy hobbies!" exactly because it's not something people can learn to do as it were, but in any case, we see eye to eye.
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What I'm wondering, however, is why most programmers that I've encountered on the internets hate Java?
Dunno, probably that it's interpretive language, thus it's a lot slower than compiled languages.
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(though one passage in the bible kinda' scares me, and it has nothing to do with devils, angels, war or hell. I think it was something along the lines of "and man should not waste his time pondering about the cosmos..."...seriously, that makes me feel as if they WANTED people to be ignorant back then...I could be wrong, or misreading it though)
it is a motif in abrahamic religion and particularly what we call the old testament, this idea that God will sometimes hide things from us for a number of reasons. The main ones suggested are :
Ignorance is punishment for sin
Ignorance of enemies allows for the success of god's chosen people
Ignorance is blissful (this sometimes turned to be that ignorant bliss is sin...but that's another matter)
allowing yourself to pursue thought and theory too far will lead you to become negligent
allowing yourself to pursue thought and theory too far will lead you to become arrogant
allowing yourself to pursue thought and theory too far will lead you to question your faith in God
Now that last one is not to say that science demands God not exist, or that God demands science not exist. Most devout, intelligent people will attest that to deny the existence of God is to live an empty life, while to deny the accuracy of science is to live in ignorance and therefor be sinful. Both amount to taking God's gifts for granted. Therefor, a scientific knowledge of the universe is not an attack against God, but is created and provided by God as the ultimate test of our faith, and that a person who can understand and appreciate the scientific world but maintain their faith in God is the most true follower.
Food for thought.
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Helm - As usual, the easiest way to present an idea is through a simple dichotomy, and you're right, nothing is that simple. You've also had a bit of a misreading there : being internally defined is not being counter-defined or ignoring the external, and I would never say that it is. If you're just going to do the opposite of what you're told, there's nothing internal there, it is merely, like you said, being defined by the external in a negative manner. And yeah, there's nothing healthy about running away or blindly rejecting things. Still, there's nothing healthy about blindly accepting, either.
I think that there are not so many terrible do-not-computes though, as the devision is one of intention, not of manifestation. It's a matter of approach - you need to come at everything with an understanding that you are coming as yourself, and that you are vulnerable but opportune in that state. To make things particularly banal, a person who plays football or watches anime purely because they should or shouldn't (external pressure) gains nothing, a person who does either because of a genuine desire (internal pressure) may further themselves thereby. If you choose your friends purely because of their station (external pressure), they will never be as good or as powerful as someone befriended by a true (internal) sense of affection. (And yeah, I'm trying to say purely because nothing is ever pure, so it softens the dichotomy a bit.)
This also touches on the idea I've been mentioning that happiness is, at it's core, another set of paradoxes : being vulnerable, yet unafraid to lose, trusting, yet not reliant, adoring, but not obsessive, etc. Which also makes life complicated.
In general, I'm a very accepting person, despite my laying out everything as rules :).
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Now that last one is not to say that science demands God not exist, or that God demands science not exist.
Science doesn't demand anything. It's only a method for finding out facts about the universe. Richard Dawkins has said that if God exists and has created the universe and directs evolution, then God is such a prominent, directly infcluencing force in the universe that God can also be studied using the scientific method. However, God cannot be studied scientifically (or there's no point) before the existence of the phenomena has been established first.
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just a small point, without the desire to stir up any controversy
Now that last one is not to say that science demands God not exist, or that God demands science not exist. Most devout, intelligent people will attest that to deny the existence of God is to live an empty life, while to deny the accuracy of science is to live in ignorance and therefor be sinful. Both amount to taking God's gifts for granted. Therefor, a scientific knowledge of the universe is not an attack against God, but is created and provided by God as the ultimate test of our faith, and that a person who can understand and appreciate the scientific world but maintain their faith in God is the most true follower.
I don't know what this god thing you're talking about is. All my life people talked about this God thing in such a serious voice that in fear of becoming a joke I defined myself through what it seemed that thing is. But now I am older and stronger and I do not define myself against anything and I have to say I do not know what that word means, at all.
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just a small point, without the desire to stir up any controversy
Now that last one is not to say that science demands God not exist, or that God demands science not exist. Most devout, intelligent people will attest that to deny the existence of God is to live an empty life, while to deny the accuracy of science is to live in ignorance and therefor be sinful. Both amount to taking God's gifts for granted. Therefor, a scientific knowledge of the universe is not an attack against God, but is created and provided by God as the ultimate test of our faith, and that a person who can understand and appreciate the scientific world but maintain their faith in God is the most true follower.
I don't know what this god thing you're talking about is. All my life people talked about this God thing in such a serious voice that in fear of becoming a joke I defined myself through what it seemed that thing is. But now I am older and stronger and I do not define myself against anything and I have to say I do not know what that word means, at all.
you're probably talking about the "religious god," which in my opinion, is the greatest destroyer (or preventer) of faith. "He" is something that exists purely in dogma, in ritual, and in blind following. I'm talking about a different God who is a part of us all, who nobody really knows (so long as we are trapped in a physical body), and the only way to find out anything about who he is is by asking nobody but yourself. Not knowing anything is way better than being told what to think.
Again, to avoid controversy and being misunderstood, it is easily possible to have faith and follow a religion, so long as faith comes first and ritual second.
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It's quite loaded to give the name 'God' to your inner... something. It sort of invites friction with believers of religious deities if you think about it.
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For the safety of ignorant bliss, I think the whole religious thing should be dropped before someone starts getting offended. No harm is ever meant of it, but eventually someone has a problem with it...
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It's quite loaded to give the name 'God' to your inner... something. It sort of invites friction with believers of religious deities if you think about it.
Sure, I'll buy that. But it is a convenient title, and to some people, they are one and the same....
That's a whole new topic, whether people think in words. Does my brain think in English? does it believe in God? Or is that how my ears translate my thoughts? :P
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What I'm wondering, however, is why most programmers that I've encountered on the internets hate Java?
Dunno, probably that it's interpretive language, thus it's a lot slower than compiled languages.
Two thoughts!
1 - God is just a name for the sum (past, present and future) of chance. It IS something that should inspire wonder, but I'm not entirely sure it should inspire faith?
2 - Java is a real mixed bag for experienced programmers. Some thoughts:
A - It is interpreted. However, the VM is so heavily optimized on most machines that once the language starts up, its really remarkably fast. So as long as you don't mind a delay when the VM itself actually launches the first time, it's really a fairly fast language.
B - Java does some things SO right that it is not even funny. The language itself, like the core language (not libraries, not APIs) includes proper support for strings, threading, and networking. This is not trivial, and it is completely Fing awesome.
C - As a language, however, it is deeply (IMO fatally) flawed. The exceptions system is bloated and disgusting, and most of the syntax and organization is so insanely arbitrary and retarded that it is impossible to ever GUESS how something might work. You HAVE to look it up; C and other fundamentally sound languages aren't really like this. In C, once you know the basics, you can begin to extend your capabilities by intuition because the language has some good basic rules (this isn't true for every feature of C, certainly, but even the basics of Java are arbitrary and annoying).
That's my take anyways! Java fits into my world for very specific applications, especially simple cross-platform clients for various network services or networked games. The combo of cross-platform compatibility, threading, and network support is just too good to pass up for certain projects.
3 - Yes people absolutely do think in words all the time! This is why it is so Fing hard to learn a new language
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All religion is a product of human imagination.
you must ask yourself, if humans weren't here, would there still be "god, heaven and hell".
Also what makes humans special from the rest of the animals... if there a "mice god" or a "dolphin heaven"
We are just atoms. Religion is bullshit. The sooner fundametalists realise this, the less bombings we will have.
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The sooner muslim dickheads fundamentalists realise this, the less bombings we will have.
Fixed. Bigotry will absolutely not be tolerated in any way, shape or form. I'm giving you a strike for that post. Never, EVER forget that there are a LOT of fundamentalists out there, and the phenomenon of fundamentalism has essentially nothing to do with Islam, and everything to do with poverty, lack of education, and iniquity.
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2 strikes?? wtf....
okay perhaps i phrased that wrong, but i am entitled to my opinions.
i wasnt saying that all muslims are bad, just that all major terrorist acts have stemmed from islamic fundamentalists.
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2 strikes?? wtf....
okay perhaps i phrased that wrong, but i am entitled to my opinions.
i wasnt saying that all muslims are bad, just that all major terrorist acts have stemmed from islamic fundamentalists.
You had a strike in May that was never recorded in the new system. So I added that in for you, just so you wouldn't be caught off guard.
As for your opinions on "terrorism":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_city_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
And that's just in the last 15 years in the US alone. You do not know what you are talking about, and it makes you look like an ignorant racist.
EDIT - The list goes on and on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_%28abolitionist%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
By inventing bullshit claims like all major terrorist acts have stemmed from islamic fundamentalists.
you are absolutely directly implying that all muslims ARE bad, because you are singling out the religion as being the sole link to the phenomenon. As I said before, this is bigotry, and will not be tolerated.
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You are simply wrong as far as where terrorism happens and by whom.
B.O.B. I wonder what sorta places you frequent where the moment religion is brought up it's best to drop it discretely in fear that someone might get offended.
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B.O.B. I wonder what sorta places you frequent where the moment religion is brought up it's best to drop it discretely in fear that someone might get offended.
The United States of America? :crazy:
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Mmm... I don't thing religion has a lot to do with terrorism. I think a lot of people use religion as a tool or a reason, but I think it's rarely the cause. To be completely honest, despite me being a cynical realist who laughs in the face of all things Godlike, I think if all of the people on the earth were truly religious, the world would be a better place. Because religion like to teach about peace and love and junk like that. If everyone could understand that, then the world would be a better place. Religion, in itself, is a very good thing. Despite it being compeltely unfounded...
On the other hand, my non-realist side likes to believe in balance. Maybe it's just me trying to look on the bright side whenever bad things happen, or maybe there's some truth in it, but that side of me believes violence and destruction has to exist to feed peacefulness and productivity. Ye olde Yin and Yang.
All religion is a product of human imagination. [...] We are just atoms.
Yes.
Religion is bullshit. The sooner fundametalists realise this, the less bombings we will have.
No.
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You had a strike in May that was never recorded in the new system. So I added that in for you, just so you wouldn't be caught off guard.
it was recorded, and then removed by ptoing as 3 months had passed, as per the system.
okay so i guess this wrong place to talk about my views on religion and terrorism etc...
yeah i probably am an ignorant dick, but whatever, i have my beliefs, and shall keep them to myself from now on.
sorry if i offended anyone.
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Mmm... I don't thing religion has a lot to do with terrorism. I think a lot of people use religion as a tool or a reason, but I think it's rarely the cause.
If the leaders of some fundamentalist group care about God or not does not matter. The followers do. They act in the name of the God their group represents/believes in.
If the followers thought this is all bullshit they would not give their lives for terrorism.
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You had a strike in May that was never recorded in the new system. So I added that in for you, just so you wouldn't be caught off guard.
it was recorded, and then removed by ptoing as 3 months had passed, as per the system.
okay so i guess this wrong place to talk about my views on religion and terrorism etc...
yeah i probably am an ignorant dick, but whatever, i have my beliefs, and shall keep them to myself from now on.
sorry if i offended anyone.
Truth about the strikes. They were well old.
But Feron, this has nothing to do with opinion, but what you did is generalising as well as being insulting. Stuff like that can be held in check.
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You assume the human race bomb crap because of religion. The human race is so arrogant and full of itself, if it's not bombing for religion, it will be bombing for something else. Wars have been fought since humans were around, and if it wasn't about religion, it was about land, power, ownership, goods... tons of other stuff.
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Well of course. I am not saying that humans just fight over religion. There is other stupid stuff to fight about. Religion or faith have been reasons for wars and terrorism for ages tho. The ulterior motive behind it, by those who run the shit does not matter. What matters is that they get people to follow them through the means of religion. That's all I am saying.
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Hmm, my post wasn't actually directed as yours(yours popped in after I posted... guess I should have quoted). It was directed at Feron who said if there was no religion, there would be a lot less bombings.
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Truth about the strikes. They were well old.
Well in the blacklist it said May 10th :P Which is less than 3 months from today. If that's inaccurate my apologies!
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Mmm... I don't thing religion has a lot to do with terrorism. I think a lot of people use religion as a tool or a reason, but I think it's rarely the cause.
If the leaders of some fundamentalist group care about God or not does not matter. The followers do. They act in the name of the God their group represents/believes in.
If the followers thought this is all bullshit they would not give their lives for terrorism.
Exactly. Religion is a tool. Or a means to turn other people into tools. If religion didn't work that way, people would find other ways to produce the same result. If there's something I know, it's that humans never give up. And I mean that in a bad way. If one thing fails, just find the second best thing, out of a million things. And you can't stop all those million things from happening, so you can't stop bad things from happening by preventing or restricting stuff. It all boils down to the people behind it. In this case, the brains who use religion as a weapon.
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I'd agree to that. Religions and governments aren't inherently bad, but selfish motives tend to ruin things. That "I" mentality is what ensures humans will never work together as efficiently as they could because the well-being of the group too often come second to personal gain. Religions typically take measures against such a problem by promoting sacrifice and the golden rule. There are still going to be people who pervert a religions intended motive, every now and then reforming it for the better, but more often not.
"for good people to do bad things, it takes religion" shouldn't mean that only bad can come from religion, only that religion is a powerful vehicle. I prefer "vehicle" to "tool", it sounds less insulting.
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Isn't the reason why we can do nasty sh*t to each other because of "us" vs "them"? "We" are good, "they" are bad, so let loose. Just because you can use Religion to flag a group as being different doesn't make religion bad.
Why do we sometimes co-operate and sometimes go genocidal? A possible explanation could be that there were several variations of "humans" existing and competing at the same time. I got this idea from a documentary which showed the variations ("hobbits", "goliaths", "neanderthals") and speculated that we wiped out those little hobbit fellas.
Don't blame religion. Blame evolution.
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You are simply wrong as far as where terrorism happens and by whom.
B.O.B. I wonder what sorta places you frequent where the moment religion is brought up it's best to drop it discretely in fear that someone might get offended.
Hurmm, well considering the fact that 3-4 posts down from my suggestion to just "drop it", a user made a questionable comment and received a strike for it, where as it could have been prevented. True, he made the decision to post that comment, and you couldn't physically stop him or know it from happening, and true, the person giving him a strike may not have been the one offended, but none the less was given the strike for, ironically, an "offensive" comment(which I'm sure Feron didn't TRULY mean, just him probably being annoyed from the many deaths in Iraq...another dead-horse subject left to beat more maggots out of).
I didn't want to block any one's opinion, or thoughts; just felt someone was going to end up in trouble, as religious subjects tend to end up making things worse, especially by conflicting minds. We're all different, and have different mind sets. Just agree to disagree for now. If anything, I care more about the userbase, and their constructive growth, rather than the religious banter itself. And by bringing subjects up like this(which really aren't that bad), good users and artists will tend to flare their anger and whatnot, possibly causing a higher rate for possible strikes, and hand slaps as tempers flare, and intellectual minds bash. Just wishful thinking, I guess, but it's too late now...
I'm no moderator here, and I apologize if it felt like I was stepping on toes when suggesting it. And yes, I'm American, born and raised, and I REFUSE to believe that it's just U.S.A., whose religions make people uncomfortable to speak about en mass, regarding subjects like this.
In lighter fare, I'm going to see Pineapple Express and hope to laugh...hard. Can't wait for Tropical Thunder to come out as well.
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I didn't want to block any one's opinion, or thoughts; just felt someone was going to end up in trouble, as religious subjects tend to end up making things worse, especially by conflicting minds.
Trouble is a good thing to get in once in a while. A strike on an internet forum... it's not much if it sets someone to thinking more critically about some things. Staying out of trouble and not discussing a serious issue once in a while is more contributive to the withering of a community for me. I don't like these "NO POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS ALLOWED" places. Sure tempers flare up and that can be controlled with moderation. But in the bysides people express themselves and engage in lucid conversation. It's not so bad.
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Trouble is a good thing to get in once in a while.
Haha, reminds me of something one other "Greek" said:
"Life is trouble. Only death is not. To be alive is to undo your belt and *look* for trouble."
Anthony Quinn as Zorba at the end of the movie Zorba the Greek.
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I want to rant.
My country is religious. My family is too religious to the point of stupidity. Too religious, too superstitious, lacking common sense and logic is a recipe to a disaster.
I learned some years ago a "Spiritual healer" gave my sister, her husband and my mom some liquid mercury to be mixed in water and drink it time to time to have a long life. And I believe my family now is suffering it's side effects. Who knows if they put it on my drinks without my consent. And thinking about this makes me so angry :(
At a young age, my mom tries to brain wash me that I will go to hell if I don't go to church every Sunday. I often skip it, but when I get home, she asks me on what was the sermon. My punishment of course, getting my allowance cut in half.
I remember when I was young that some of my basic needs are not provided and it continued to my teenage years. As I got older, I learned my parents was giving a huge amount of money to the church. I guess they want their names to be mentioned on every meetings to get their ego caressed. My mom is now a changed person <noticed this around year 2000> but that doesn't change the fact that my 3 sisters and older brother is F***** up because of the way we are raised.
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being forced to attend church is so.. odd.
when I was too old for Sunday school and started attending the real church, I couldn't stand it, but I still continued to go for about a year out of guilt.
Around the point my family accepted I wouldn't go to church anymore, I started going to catholic high school :P
I still find the idea of god comforting, so I can easily understand why so many people are religious.
I don't really know any very religious, but most people seem to turn instantly into zealots as soon as I bring up atheism.
other:
Out of curiosity, how many people here are familiar with Raymond Briggs's "The Snowman" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeVaj4zkWy0&fmt=18)
I must've seen it at least a hundred times throughout my childhood, and it's probably the thing that can take me back in time the fastest
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I still find the idea of god comforting, so I can easily understand why so many people are religious.
I don't really know any very religious, but most people seem to turn instantly into zealots as soon as I bring up atheism.
I agree that belief brings comfort and the communal aspect of it can be very important for many people as well, the need to belong to a group. However, my interest in this whole debate isn't really the moral or philosophical aspects, although they are important as well, but what matters to me most is the question what is true. Just because something brings comfort doesn't mean it's true. I'd rather give up happiness for truth, if that really were the choice, but I don't think I'm any less awed by many things I see in the nature just because I don't believe in a certain deity. Carl Sagan said: "We're the way of the universe to be aware of itself", so I suppose that's where my spirituality lies, in a Spinozan definition of God, if you like. I'm agnostic, but being agnostic doesn't mean I'd give a fifty-fifty chance for the existence of God, it's more like.. a very low chance in favour of anything supernatural in my case, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. So I consider the Christian God as unlikely as any other deity human kind has ever believed in.
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However a positivist search for 'truth' in things over happiness leads to a lot of neuroses as well. Absolute truths are pesky things, as they don't really go well with subjective reality (which is all we have) and lead to fabricated external worlds that we can only feel comfortable with when people around us accept. I think a healthy disassociation with any sort of 'high meaning' is best in order to be healthy after a lot of searching. Self-awareness is inherently pathologic so the rainbow at the end of the existential journey more me is a reaffirmed belief in nothing in particular, and a stoic comfort in that.
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Yes, well, I hope we don't end up talking about the nature of truth (or consciousness for that matter), but anyway, for me searching for truth (or facts, more like) is more enjoyable than settling down for certain truths for good. I take pleasure from the journey, it's fascinating and has kept me busy for all my life. If I couldn't pursue that personal quest for learning and understanding (while feeling at the same time that the more I know the less I know), and communicating with other people about all of that, I'd go mad.
So yes, it's a bit pointless in terms of getting any results, but what the hell. It's fun.
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Yes, it's fun as long as the results never bind your (sub)consciousness into paths that are alien to it. To that I concur said the kitten trapped outside the window to the suave middle-aged and slightly balding man while he sipped on his wine.
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Heh. Turn that scene into a short animated film and you can win the first price of any artsy film festival with the bafflingly pretentious and high-brow symbolism of it. Or whatever. And stuff. ;)
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Talking of artsy and pretentious, I have a blog up! Johnnyspade (used to be Skurwy) is helping be translate my comics into english and slowly upload them all. Might be worth to read, perhaps to RSS!
Asides-Bsides (http://asides-bsides.blogspot.com/)
Come over, comment! I will be updating regularily.
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yeah, dissuade Helm from thinking that nobody would care to read them! :)
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I didn't want to block any one's opinion, or thoughts; just felt someone was going to end up in trouble, as religious subjects tend to end up making things worse, especially by conflicting minds.
Trouble is a good thing to get in once in a while. A strike on an internet forum... it's not much if it sets someone to thinking more critically about some things. Staying out of trouble and not discussing a serious issue once in a while is more contributive to the withering of a community for me. I don't like these "NO POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS ALLOWED" places. Sure tempers flare up and that can be controlled with moderation. But in the bysides people express themselves and engage in lucid conversation. It's not so bad.
And I thank you very very much for that! I just opened this thread and i'm feeling like I found a forgotten bag of candy or something. LOVE this kind of discussion and I feel a little funny about finding it here....here's hoping we have a "official Off-topic Spirituality Thread"
BOB: Considering the discussion started from Alan Moore's work, I am not at all surprised this is where it drove to :D
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I'm agnostic, but being agnostic doesn't mean I'd give a fifty-fifty chance for the existence of God, it's more like.. a very low chance in favour of anything supernatural in my case, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. So I consider the Christian God as unlikely as any other deity human kind has ever believed in.
I'm an agnostic, but lately I've noticed that most people slightly misunderstand the definition of agnosticism. To my knowledge, the true definition is that an agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of a god is something that cannot be proven or disproven. The idea behind this is that any evidence of a deity could possibly be broken down and described by conventional science, while any evidence against a god could have been divinely placed there. For this reason, agnostics are usually broken down into agnostic-theists (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith in god is irrational), atheist-agnostics (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith against god is irrational, like me), and undecided agnostics.
I've often found that a lot of religious folk seem to think that atheism seems like a sad, empty way to live, but I really disagree with that. I always thought that the idea that this sort of universe could arise by chance is even more elegant than a belief system that requires some sort of plan behind it all. It's beautiful, really.
I also like to see it this way: http://xkcd.com/167/ (I've actually had a very similar conversation with a friend once)
I'm no moderator here, and I apologize if it felt like I was stepping on toes when suggesting it. And yes, I'm American, born and raised, and I REFUSE to believe that it's just U.S.A., whose religions make people uncomfortable to speak about en mass, regarding subjects like this.
I can't speak for any other parts in the world, but people here in Canada also often get pretty uncomfortable speaking about religion. That said, I'm also one of the people who enjoys this sort of conversation.
Talking of artsy and pretentious, I have a blog up! Johnnyspade (used to be Skurwy) is helping be translate my comics into english and slowly upload them all. Might be worth to read, perhaps to RSS!
Asides-Bsides (http://asides-bsides.blogspot.com/)
Come over, comment! I will be updating regularily.
I actually quite like it. The "Meet Babis" one in particular.
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I think a healthy disassociation with any sort of 'high meaning' is best in order to be healthy after a lot of searching. Self-awareness is inherently pathologic so the rainbow at the end of the existential journey more me is a reaffirmed belief in nothing in particular, and a stoic comfort in that.
This seems, to be honest, as much a way of running from the issue as blind acceptance of paradise, and full of criss-crossing logic.
If self-awareness is, as you say, inherently pathologic, then there is something in there to be aware of, which directly contradicts the idea that there is nothing in particular, and there's nothing stoic about hiding from truth.
Perhaps this was a miswording? It makes sense to me if you say that the pursuit of self-awareness is pathologic (because self-awareness is unachievable), therefor nothing is to be believed in and there's comfort in knowing that there's nothing. Although I disagree with that viewpoint (as it takes the rather arrogant view that you could, in you twenties, know enough to know that there is nothing), it follows a process.
Personally I believe that it is the pursuit of this unattainable knowledge that gives life some meaning, and that the worst thing that a person can do is to either have no doubt that a belief is true, to never fear and therefor never be tested, or to be absolutely certain that a belief is false, to resign and never face the possibility.
The middle ground is what I've been calling faith: facing directly the culmination of all of your fears and offering yourself to them wholly. Accepting both that there could be nothing or everything, and that it is your "job" as a living being to seek the truth. And yeah, enjoying the squirrels.
In othr news, where do all these junky MMO's come from? Do people actually pay, and get paid, to make them? I'm talking about the sort that get linked to in every sidebar ever made. It's crazy!
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I've often found that a lot of religious folk seem to think that atheism seems like a sad, empty way to live, but I really disagree with that. I always thought that the idea that this sort of universe could arise by chance is even more elegant than a belief system that requires some sort of plan behind it all. It's beautiful, really.
I've reacted to that, too. The idea that atheism seems depressing and lonely. And empty. You know what you can do when something feels empty? You fill it up with something. I'd recommend something that doesn't unearth you quite as much as religion wants to do. There's plenty of other things to do that! Like art and music and video games!
In that sense... Religion, to me, seems a lot like a really big, narcissistic hobby that wants to take over all other hobbies. I recall reading a pamhlet handed to me by some Jehova dude a while ago. Upon reading it I noticed halfway through a little article on music that it was trying to make me look upon music as a miracle created by God. Because music is so beautiful and magical and touching, it has to be divine.
... I wonder, could I apply that logic to video games, too?
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... I wonder, could I apply that logic to video games, too?
Not really, imo, in that most videogames present a rather unhealthy way to spend time and have the player completely absorbed in attaining some nonexistant (or inconsequential) goal. Music, on the other hand, is often a social, human force. Although there's certainly plenty of music that involves wasting time and isolating yourself, i don't think that's the sort of thing they were talking about. Also, although some games do encourage social interaction, its mostly a perverted form, in the sense of mmos, or an unnecessary form, in the case of party games.
I used to play a lot of videogames, from RPGs to RTS to MMO to FPS and i consider that - essentially - a waste of my life. It gave me a place to hide but little else. Again, not to say that people don't sit in their room alone and waste their lives trancing out to music, but that's not to be recommended either.
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Not really, imo, in that most videogamesreligions present a rather unhealthy way to spend time and have the playerfollowers completely absorbed in attaining some nonexistant (or inconsequential) goal.
QED God didn't make religion.
Not only do they take credit for music, but also anything else 'good'. There was this religious guitarist who had a motorbike accident, did something nasty to his hands. The doctors operated on it but said that he may never be able to play again. But he did recover, and was playing religious songs at present. It was GOD who healed his hands. Forget about the doctors. Forget that maybe doctors don't emphasise the possibility of recovery if there is low probability. GOD gets full credit.
Anything bad, put that down to GOD's anger at the gays and atheists -- or maybe it was Satan -- or maybe bad things are just GOD testing you -- there seems to be different opinions as to why bad things happen.
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I do relate somewhat, with the idea that atheism is empty. Mostly because when I have asked basic philosophical questions to people who declare they are "atheists" they just dont care. Because.....simply that is something that is not engaged in everyday life, and it doesnt deserve any thought, the purpose of being is irrelevant because hey...I dont have time for that, I got to get my paycheck.
Most religious people, dont care either. They believe they already have the answers. Why? because the religous leader said this and that, and it's very clear in passage number xxxx and xxxx.
So what I really have a pickle with, is not really either of the perspectives.But with the fact that they both have in common, that the very purpose of things, doesnt deserve any thought or investigation.
I hate atheist vs religious arguments because of this too. Often it becomes a contest of which absolute truth is better, and then of course nobody really wants to concede any credit to the opposing side...and it deteriorates into berating the opposing side trough increasingly ignorant tactics.
What I REALLY REALLY care about though, is that it isnt just a philosophy, that isnt a I "THINK" this works that way. I believe that everyone should take it very seriously and seek any means necesary, to have a truly spiritual experiences. There is more than one path for this, but people sort of put it in the back burner because it either isnt actually real, or they already know the answer.
I believe it is CRUCIAL that what they believe it isnt something they THINK it's out there, but that they know whitout doubt from experience that it IS there. I feel like you havent really lived if you never have this.
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The whole Christian rock, and televangelist that's out there is what really grinds my teeth about how people tend to screw religion. I see these dumb things on television, and ads for Christian rock, the gospel, with crowds of people holding their hands out in the air, whilst sweating, with robotic smiles. It's as if they use money to attain power for the "better of their religion." It's for charities and helping our fellow Christians in need. But then you hear in the end, that the people running these things end up in some illegal activity and going to jail. It's nerve wrecking for me when I see this, and feel like a jerk when I say it but, to me, they look weak.
Maybe this is from a hermit's point of view, as I'm not much the socialite anymore, but I feel people who "pray to God for help" make themselves weaker by believing a force they'll probably never understand and NEVER meet. Honestly, if I were God and I were seeing how many people and creatures were purposely making others suffer, I too wouldn't give a rat's ass about who dies, who lives, and who is rich or poor. I just winded you up. It was your choices that decided where your little feet would take you the day you died, not mine. You screwed yourselves over, stop looking to me to fix it. FIX IT YOUR DAMN SELVES.
The description of God is a funny one as well, as many cultures "know" how he/she/it looks like: come the f*** on, now. We've seen the master of life, and omg, he resembles us! Or, he or she looks like a creature we've seen in the wild! Or it kinda' looks human, but with animal heads, with human emotions! Or alien's named Xenu(lol). For all we know, God is a giant molecular cloud that moves around outer space, universes and dimensions, passing other gases causing explosions and elements to fuse into one giant core, creating planets and whatnot. Maybe this "God" cloud just came to be after years of black empty space, rocks and gases finally mixed, and over the billions of years it began slowly to form some strange, albeit simple, thought patterns of structure, and began building planets, with orbit, and germs that evolved into species and animals who THINK they understand what created them and know how they got here: But we don't, and never will. This knowledge isn't attainable, as cynical as it may sound, and our willingness to keep striving for more answers only leads to more questions. Obviously the previous description is silly thinking, as God may not exist, or may be some pig-snake creature somewhere. Point is, I don't know. No body knows. So it'd be nice if we stopped acting like we knew and just lived our lives with one another.
Not to mention the story of Jesus and having it retold over and over, and making us ashamed of what happened to him. And we're supposedly supposed to be a different and more elegant people now after he died for our sins. "He died for our sins!" Seriously, if you think about it, would your thought patterns really differ from the Romans and Jewish in the era of Jesus? Long haired bearded guy, with followers claims he is the son of God. And his word is right. Overhearing a response to these teachings in the background " I would've believed Jesus in his day, and followed him." Come on now. Centuries have passed, and we STILL don't know how to take these accusations. For example, we see cults where bearded men walk around with followers saying they are the messiah embodied, and their word is right: general public hears it, and cries "What a f***ing idiot." Guy supposedly performs miracles, but public calls him a magician at best. What if Jesus really did have divine powers and he walked the streets of New York, trying to preach the truth to the lucky citizens in attendance. Nothing would change, we would still call him a crazy hippie, abomination against God, and other unique names. Though we probably won't go so far as to kill him, there wouldn't be much difference from then on till today. So ask yourselves, " Have we ever spiritually evolved? " Just find it sad that we have evolved on so many aspects, EXCEPT spirituality and religion: we've been stuck at the same spot we've started out since it began. This has got to tell you something about religion and it's aspects.
Thing about religion is, it's a good way for one to live in social, civilized life with others. Taking it literally word for word is non-sense in my opinion; but I'm ok with people living their lives this way, as long as it doesn't involve "recruiting" others to join them. THAT is effin' annoying.
...man, I sound evil when reading these paragraphs. I think Pawige was on a religious trek when he left. I'd really be interested on hearing his beliefs, as most the posts here, seem to be on the other side of the fence.
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Bob...dont use "christianity" and "religion" as the same concept. it's bad enough that "religion" and "spirituality" are considered the same!
Dont give up on concepts like god and such just because people use it to manipulate eachother, look up different religions and if the concepts they go by ring true to you, try whatever form of "prayer" "meditation" or "ritual" they have, and see if it makes an effect on you, keep what has a good effect and discard what doesnt.
I personally dont mind whatever face any single person may give the god...as long as they did it themselves. We're probably never going to come up with a completely accurate depiction of something as...generalizing....as god, but when people give it a face it's a way of expressing their own quirks in the form of archetypes, and that's swell as far as I'm concerned.
The way I tend to think of prophets like Jesus and Buddha and such, is as guys who were really spiritual and got it quite right. Who's words upon their death got adapted and marketed for whatever social needs there were at the time, and by now are so diluted they probably have lost their meaning. So you can pick up stuff from them, and test it....but if it doesnt work there's no need to hold on to it.
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I wasn't meaning them to be one in the same. I was saying how one screws the other in the end. And I've read up on(though not extensively) other religions, though I'm picking on Christianity the most, because it can end up being the most pretentious sometimes.(next to Scientology, the most awesome of religions, heh).
I know I'm not clear in what I say most the time, but I just would like it to be known that my thoughts aren't against any religious beliefs or the thought of religion itself. Instead, it's against how people use and abuse it towards others. I welcome it with open arms sometimes, as they help people somehow cope with their problems. And anything helping people better themselves is fine by me, as long as they're not hurting others, themselves, or fully allowing it to cloud their overall judgment(though, it will partially affect their morals..this is understandable).
But with any religion in general, my point to others is to just be happy. In the end, most religions end in the human journey to obtain happiness, or achieve that storybook ending. Some people tend to have vague thoughts toward happiness, or entirely specific studies over it, and try to dissect it into superficial behaviors, or chemical reactions causing the brain to act a certain way; this is fine for them, but to my primalistic brain, it's just another definition, to another word, to another sentence, that was, again, man-made. Sad to say, but sometimes, "Ignorance is Bliss." I can't control a lot of things in my life, and especially others.The only thing I can ever hope for at the end of my life cycle, is to hopefully die with a smile on my face: I may pass in my sleep, during my later years, or I may get in a Gnarled car crash where I burn alive...but DAMN IT, this SMILE, they won't take away from me...ever.
*and who knows, maybe our life cycle doesn't necessarily end at death, but rather, another strange cycle of events that lead an unknown life-force to exit physical and enter non-physical activities. To which I say again, WE DON'T KNOW YET.*
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I won't pretend to have read all these posts. I don't really like discussions like this.
But
I've often heard the argument from atheists that religion is just a big cancer or something that wants to convert the whole world to its singular belief or something. What I don't get is why then, has every atheist I've encountered tried to convince me that God does not exist. I've never tried to "convert" anyone or convince them that my faith and way of life is the right way or the only way. Maybe that makes me a worse Christian for it, not spreading the word, (I'll explain my best if someone asks, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to be like "believe, mudda fukka!") but it doesn't explain why atheists (the ones I've met) argue that religion is just a way of controlling the masses or something, and then they go and try to convert me to their way of thinking. I mean, wtf? You're gonna say religion is bs and then try to convert me to nonreligion? I don't see the difference between a religious leader vehemently arguing against science and a scientist adamantly arguing against religion. They're both trying to convince people that their truth is truth, or at least truthier than the other's truth. So like, religion can be used as a vehicle for power but so then can science, really.
By the way, I'm not trying to say that religion and science can't live together harmoniously. I think that's nonsense. I'm just using science for lack of an opposite to religion.
But anyway. I agree with B.O.B. and others of you in that religions are an abstraction of a jackass personified when they're abused and whatnot. Like those mass suicides and stuff that're all like "world's gonna end lets kill ourselves!" I bet those dudes are totally disappointed right now. It's also annoying when people are all like uberpious and stuff and when they completely misinterpret things to the point of being the opposite of what their religion dictates they should ultimately be. Which, as far as I know, is usually kind, loving, understanding, but steadfast in certain areas. Like on that one wifeswap or whatever that show was, where the insane soulless "christian" woman totally flipped out and started calling the kids demons and stuff. She was crazy.
Uh what was I saying?
Anyway. Thing about religion is that it's usually just so easy to twist to ones own purposes. That's why it's often such a dick. I'm sure I'm guilty of such twisting. Still though. Yeah.
See, this is why I don't like these discussions. You guys are all using big words like pathologic and complicated terms like self-awareness and here I come with fucking "Um, like, yeah. And stuff."
But I know what I mean, and I know what I know, and I know what I believe, and I know what I'm unsure of. There may be some overlap in the areas, but I'm cool with that. I'll deal with it later. After I learn bigger words and smarter things.
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... I wonder, could I apply that logic to video games, too?
Not really, imo, in that most videogames present a rather unhealthy way to spend time and have the player completely absorbed in attaining some nonexistant (or inconsequential) goal. Music, on the other hand, is often a social, human force. Although there's certainly plenty of music that involves wasting time and isolating yourself, i don't think that's the sort of thing they were talking about. Also, although some games do encourage social interaction, its mostly a perverted form, in the sense of mmos, or an unnecessary form, in the case of party games.
I used to play a lot of videogames, from RPGs to RTS to MMO to FPS and i consider that - essentially - a waste of my life. It gave me a place to hide but little else. Again, not to say that people don't sit in their room alone and waste their lives trancing out to music, but that's not to be recommended either.
I love video games, so I'm clearly biased, but I like to see them as a sum of their parts. A good video game (to me) is some nice music, good story, excellent artwork, and a decent challenge all rolled into one nice, neat package. That's just my point of view though. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about books and movies? I'm curious as to where other people draw the line and why. I guess it sort of boils down to the "is it art?" argument, doesn't it? I know that Roger Ebert believes that video games can't be art simply because they're interactive, but I never really understood why that should matter.
I do relate somewhat, with the idea that atheism is empty. Mostly because when I have asked basic philosophical questions to people who declare they are "atheists" they just dont care. Because.....simply that is something that is not engaged in everyday life, and it doesnt deserve any thought, the purpose of being is irrelevant because hey...I dont have time for that, I got to get my paycheck.
Most religious people, dont care either. They believe they already have the answers. Why? because the religous leader said this and that, and it's very clear in passage number xxxx and xxxx.
So what I really have a pickle with, is not really either of the perspectives.But with the fact that they both have in common, that the very purpose of things, doesnt deserve any thought or investigation.
I always considered religion and philosophy to be two entirely separate things in that respect. Extreme theists may throw these sort of questions away because they think that they know all of the answers already, but otherwise it seems to be more a matter of curiosity, which I think is completely independent from most religious views. Everybody has at least some sort of sway towards either atheism or theism, so if you can have a philosophical discussion with anyone then it can't be completely related.
...and animals who THINK they understand what created them and know how they got here: But we don't, and never will. This knowledge isn't attainable, as cynical as it may sound, and our willingness to keep striving for more answers only leads to more questions. Obviously the previous description is silly thinking, as God may not exist, or may be some pig-snake creature somewhere. Point is, I don't know. No body knows. So it'd be nice if we stopped acting like we knew and just lived our lives with one another.
That's the basic premise of agnosticism as I tried to describe it earlier, although I think that you summed it up better.
Thing about religion is, it's a good way for one to live in social, civilized life with others. Taking it literally word for word is non-sense in my opinion; but I'm ok with people living their lives this way, as long as it doesn't involve "recruiting" others to join them. THAT is effin' annoying.
Seconded.
I've often heard the argument from atheists that religion is just a big cancer or something that wants to convert the whole world to its singular belief or something. What I don't get is why then, has every atheist I've encountered tried to convince me that God does not exist. I've never tried to "convert" anyone or convince them that my faith and way of life is the right way or the only way. Maybe that makes me a worse Christian for it, not spreading the word, (I'll explain my best if someone asks, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to be like "believe, mudda fukka!") but it doesn't explain why atheists (the ones I've met) argue that religion is just a way of controlling the masses or something, and then they go and try to convert me to their way of thinking. I mean, wtf? You're gonna say religion is bs and then try to convert me to nonreligion? I don't see the difference between a religious leader vehemently arguing against science and a scientist adamantly arguing against religion. They're both trying to convince people that their truth is truth, or at least truthier than the other's truth. So like, religion can be used as a vehicle for power but so then can science, really.
I try not to try to convert people because I recognize that they are the exact same thing. Atheists generally believe that they have a greater right to try and convert you because they base things only off of observation, but an agnostic recognizes that "knowing" that there is no god is impossible, and hence that atheism is almost or just as faith-based as any other religion (that's right, atheism is still a religion).
...I think that about covers all of my thoughts at the moment.
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I've often heard the argument from atheists that religion is just a big cancer or something that wants to convert the whole world to its singular belief or something. What I don't get is why then, has every atheist I've encountered tried to convince me that God does not exist. I've never tried to "convert" anyone or convince them that my faith and way of life is the right way or the only way. Maybe that makes me a worse Christian for it, not spreading the word, (I'll explain my best if someone asks, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to be like "believe, mudda fukka!") but it doesn't explain why atheists (the ones I've met) argue that religion is just a way of controlling the masses or something, and then they go and try to convert me to their way of thinking. I mean, wtf? You're gonna say religion is bs and then try to convert me to nonreligion? I don't see the difference between a religious leader vehemently arguing against science and a scientist adamantly arguing against religion. They're both trying to convince people that their truth is truth, or at least truthier than the other's truth. So like, religion can be used as a vehicle for power but so then can science, really.
I could say the same about Christians. It wouldn't be true, but it wouldn't be any less true than your statement. Simple ad hominem attacks about "people constantly trying to convert others" are easy to throw into a discussion about religion and spirituality, but the simple truth is that there are those on both sides, probably in equal numbers, that vehemently try to convert the other side to their way of thinking.
The only difference that I've observed between the two arguments is the quality of the arguments, in the sense that one side tends to have a lot more quantitative proof on its side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_oBuNvDhQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_oBuNvDhQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQttJinjo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQttJinjo&feature=related)
While I was writing this, chriskot brought up some good points, specifically about the argument to which I refer in my post. While I do agree that atheism is equally as faith-based as Christianity, I have yet to find any proof that points towards creationism, or even intelligent design. Any attempts to disprove evolution, at least ones that I've seen, are just ignorant, and can often be countered quite readily. (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) I'm not saying that there is absolutely no possibility that there is some divine being sitting up there watching us, but if there is, I bet it's pretty laid back, and just lets stuff happen.
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504) Peanut Butter and Bananas; Creationism seems tasty!
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See now what wonderful discussion can happen when people aren't afraid someone will tell them to shut up just because they're discussing religion?
Xion: For this reason, agnostics are usually broken down into agnostic-theists (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith in god is irrational), atheist-agnostics (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith against god is irrational, like me), and undecided agnostics.
Actually all agnostics are not theists. The ones that are not sure of this God thing are 'weak agnostics' and the ones that are very very close to certain that they can't exist are 'strong' ones. If there's a person that has an absolute faith in god, whether they give you that it is irrational or not, are some kind of theist, by definition.
Nd: This seems, to be honest, as much a way of running from the issue as blind acceptance of paradise, and full of criss-crossing logic.
I am not sure I understand you.
If self-awareness is, as you say, inherently pathologic, then there is something in there to be aware of, which directly contradicts the idea that there is nothing in particular, and there's nothing stoic about hiding from truth.
Self-awareness I mean in the strict biological sense where a natural survival mechanism like an animal (we are animals) starts to run danger simulations so complex that there arrives a need for it to factor in its own presence with the memory of past desire and mistake. Therein arises the issue of consciousness, and that is where pathology starts as well. When I said 'self-awareness', I meant consciousness, the knowledge of oneself as separate from the other. I did not mean any quest to know everything about yourself, just you know, saying that there's an 'NDchristie' that is this bunch of organs and synapses who goes about doing this or that. There starts the pathologic behaviour, it is inherent in how the human machine works.
Perhaps this was a miswording? It makes sense to me if you say that the pursuit of self-awareness is pathologic (because self-awareness is unachievable), therefor nothing is to be believed in and there's comfort in knowing that there's nothing. Although I disagree with that viewpoint (as it takes the rather arrogant view that you could, in you twenties, know enough to know that there is nothing), it follows a process.
Do you understand me clearer now?
Personally I believe that it is the pursuit of this unattainable knowledge that gives life some meaning, and that the worst thing that a person can do is to either have no doubt that a belief is true, to never fear and therefor never be tested, or to be absolutely certain that a belief is false, to resign and never face the possibility.
It is for me more an issue of doing what makes you happy, and analyzing it too, just as long as you keep inside you the reminder - and the humor that comes with that - that any realization to which you may arrive is inherently not TRUE, because there is no such thing as TRUTH. This is an epistemological discussion of what can be considered dependable knowledge and how people who think they know TRUE things are torturing their psyche. It is a far-reaching discussion and I'm willing to have it with you - or anyone - just as long as we're on the same page.
The middle ground is what I've been calling faith: facing directly the culmination of all of your fears and offering yourself to them wholly. Accepting both that there could be nothing or everything, and that it is your "job" as a living being to seek the truth. And yeah, enjoying the squirrels.
This truth thing, you'll probably find quite soon, is probably something like a psychological illness.
Conceit: I do relate somewhat, with the idea that atheism is empty. Mostly because when I have asked basic philosophical questions to people who declare they are "atheists" they just dont care. Because.....simply that is something that is not engaged in everyday life, and it doesnt deserve any thought, the purpose of being is irrelevant because hey...I dont have time for that, I got to get my paycheck.
I can see that. But also consider the other side of it. When you ask a 'loaded' philosophical question to a person that has come to be an atheist, like 'does god exist?' (which is a loaded question because first one should consider 'what is this god, what does it mean' before they consider whether it can exist or not) a 'seasoned' atheist might take that as a cue that you have not thought about this enough on your own time and a discussion of the same-ol' cannot serve a useful end. So they leave you alone to think about your own question a bit more before it is ready to be argued. I personally give hints on this one, but I like to argue (even though inside I know it doesn't lead to any dependable knowledge, but it's fun for me nonetheless!) but other people might not enjoy it as much. That doesn't mean they're going for a paycheck.
I believe it is CRUCIAL that what they believe it isnt something they THINK it's out there, but that they know whitout doubt from experience that it IS there. I feel like you havent really lived if you never have this.
I dunno, that sounds like psychosis to me. I aren't even in the position to tell you that I BELIEVE I even exist anymore, and I've never been healthier in my life. I can function as well as any random person, I just don't have the pathological breakdowns that follow when you henge your whole existence into faulty but inescapable assumptions.
B.O.B.
Not to mention the story of Jesus and having it retold over and over, and making us ashamed of what happened to him.
Heh yeah I kinda like that one on psychoanalytical terms. A huge guilt trip. To this I often reply - somewhat antagonistically, I'll give you that - Jesus didn't die for my sins, he died for his own. Ah, Crass, aren't I?
Xion again: I've often heard the argument from atheists that religion is just a big cancer or something that wants to convert the whole world to its singular belief or something. What I don't get is why then, has every atheist I've encountered tried to convince me that God does not exist.
Well I am sure that a lot of atheists align with that field out of a desire to belong and a desire to feel right and better than other people as well. They try to make you an atheist for the same reason a theist tries to recruit atheists: if the world has more people that agree with me, then the world is a safer place. It's a simple survival process. That being said, often atheists might engage you in theological conversation to the goal of making you not so much like them, but just more skeptical, to raise awareness of that perhaps things that seem right aren't reall that right. I do not see the harm in this: in fact when I am approached by missionaries and whatnot in Greece (usually Mormons!) I answer their questions as honestly as I can and if they try to pitch books to me I tell them I am not interested, and if they seem able and up to it, I will engage them in mild theological debate. It doesn't have to be all RRRR BE LIKE ME RRRR NO YOU BE LIKE ME. In the end we are trying to communicate, and for all our differences we long to be reassured that we are indeed, made of the same stuff. If we are not so afraid that our own self-definition will unravel if the various layers of counter-definition are peeled away, then it is actually a joy, it's absolutely exhilarating to discuss with a person that is wildly different from you. But what is required to do this? It is required that you don't actually believe in anything with 100% certainty. And that's a quite difficult place to come to be especially early in life.
By the way, I'm not trying to say that religion and science can't live together harmoniously. I think that's nonsense. I'm just using science for lack of an opposite to religion
Actually it's impossible that they can for real. It can only happen if people just play dumb about where they clash. Like 'umm we need science for flying cars, but I am not ready to abandon my divine daddy yet so let's pretend there isn't any contradiction in there'. Here's the thing: if people KNOW they are doing this and they don't mind, it's alright. If they suspect but try not to show it to not appear 'hypocritical' then it's the sort of thing that slowly makes you unbalanced.
See, this is why I don't like these discussions. You guys are all using big words like pathologic and complicated terms like self-awareness and here I come with fucking "Um, like, yeah. And stuff."
If you make an effort to understand what pathologic and self-awareness means when I say them, I will be very happy to make an effort to understand what you mean with 'um, like, yeah. And stuff'. They are both equally complex points of view, and my desire is to get to know you, and everybody, not define you nor defeat you.
chris:
I love video games, so I'm clearly biased, but I like to see them as a sum of their parts. A good video game (to me) is some nice music, good story, excellent artwork, and a decent challenge all rolled into one nice, neat package. That's just my point of view though. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about books and movies? I'm curious as to where other people draw the line and why. I guess it sort of boils down to the "is it art?" argument, doesn't it? I know that Roger Ebert believes that video games can't be art simply because they're interactive, but I never really understood why that should matter.
I guess by 'art' people mean 'does it affect me emotionally and spiritually on a higher level than super mario world?' and that's alright yeah. Well... a few games do that, sure. Not most of them around. They are not 'art' in that sense because their focus is on gameplay, and gameplay is a simulacrum for HUNTING and KILLING PREY. Do you think it's 'artistic' when an animal in the wild kills to eat? We are animals, we are made to hunt and kill even if in the last 5,000 years we don't do as much as we once did. We still have those instincts, and they need to be addressed in some benign way, so we manufacture fields in which to excel and be the 'Alpha males' and these aren't only sports and videogames, they are also fields of academia and even musical subcultures etc. People are antagonistic because that is how you survive. In these terms (and they are terms you would do well to integrate into your system of understanding the world) a great book, let's say 'Crime and Punishment' is so INFINITELY, EXTREMELY more layered and deep and resonant and meaningful and spiritually elevating than 99.9999% of videogames. Videogames are a very early medium and the people that make them care more about simulated killing than exciting the spirit. So there's some truth in what Ebert says.
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The whole Christian rock, and televangelist that's out there is what really grinds my teeth about how people tend to screw religion.
Nobody said it better than Frank Zappa: "Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over". ;)
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For this reason, agnostics are usually broken down into agnostic-theists (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith in god is irrational), atheist-agnostics (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith against god is irrational, like me), and undecided agnostics.
Actually all agnostics are not theists. The ones that are not sure of this God thing are 'weak agnostics' and the ones that are very very close to certain that they can't exist are 'strong' ones. If there's a person that has an absolute faith in god, whether they give you that it is irrational or not, are some kind of theist, by definition.
True, but I was under the impression that the "agnostic-" tag could be appended onto any religion of any person as long as they believed in the unprovability of any single standpoint (e.g.: agnostic-Christian, agnostic-Muslim, etc).
chris:
I love video games, so I'm clearly biased, but I like to see them as a sum of their parts. A good video game (to me) is some nice music, good story, excellent artwork, and a decent challenge all rolled into one nice, neat package. That's just my point of view though. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about books and movies? I'm curious as to where other people draw the line and why. I guess it sort of boils down to the "is it art?" argument, doesn't it? I know that Roger Ebert believes that video games can't be art simply because they're interactive, but I never really understood why that should matter.
I guess by 'art' people mean 'does it affect me emotionally and spiritually on a higher level than super mario world?' and that's alright yeah. Well... a few games do that, sure. Not most of them around. They are not 'art' in that sense because their focus is on gameplay, and gameplay is a simulacrum for HUNTING and KILLING PREY. Do you think it's 'artistic' when an animal in the wild kills to eat? We are animals, we are made to hunt and kill even if in the last 5,000 years we don't do as much as we once did. We still have those instincts, and they need to be addressed in some benign way, so we manufacture fields in which to excel and be the 'Alpha males' and these aren't only sports and videogames, they are also fields of academia and even musical subcultures etc. People are antagonistic because that is how you survive. In these terms (and they are terms you would do well to integrate into your system of understanding the world) a great book, let's say 'Crime and Punishment' is so INFINITELY, EXTREMELY more layered and deep and resonant and meaningful and spiritually elevating than 99.9999% of videogames. Videogames are a very early medium and the people that make them care more about simulated killing than exciting the spirit. So there's some truth in what Ebert says.
That I can definitely understand, and I can agree with. So interpreting from what you said, videogames certainly CAN be art, but the majority of them are not because they are simply designed to satisfy our primal desires to hunt. Completely understandable. I assume that this also rules out games that are designed around objectives like survival. I guess if you really want to work away at it, almost any conceivable objective can be tied to a basic instinct, although some of these ties would be slightly more tenuous then others (Katamari Damacy = Greed? Or am I trying to hard?). I guess the next question could be whether or not a game is art if it has no objective and minimal control over the ending, like Jason Rohrer's "Passage" (http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/passage/) or other arthouse-style games?
Also, this brings up another question. Ebert argues that movies are art (of course, since he is a film critic) but is a movie that satisfies similar desires without interactivity still art? For example, many movies have a villain that the person watching is intentionally meant to hate. Is the scene in which he falls to an untimely death "art", since it is usually created chiefly for the purpose of satisfying the part of the viewer that wanted him to die? I'm mainly taking about adrenaline-fueled action movies like "Die Hard", where there is no extra meaning behind it.
Oh, and apperently Ebert refined his view, saying that games could be art, but not high art. It's a fairly interesting read: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070721/COMMENTARY/70721001
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Oh the hoarding instinct is certainly a primordial one. As is the 'progress' effect when you grind in an MMO tightly related to ones instinctual desire for betting their status. And certainly any desire that we have is closely linked to our basic instincts (and even when roundaboutely, surely promotes survival) yet we also have existential concerns which really are more the result of error; as I said for all the good self-awareness has done the human animal (we are certainly at the top of the food chain) it also creates pathology, and we try to allevate that existential angst through art and other esoteric modes of expression. It is the balm for that sort of pain we most usually assign to be 'art'.
Passage made me cry the first time I played it, that is not the sort of thing most games do, therefore I hold it in higher regard than super mario world in terms of 'art' although understandably, super mario world plays better as a game. Braid is a recent example of something that both attracts through gameplay prowess and also excites conceptually and existentially. More of that, please.
And to your question about Ebert and films: certainly there are films - most films in fact - that are just action action vicarious killing YOU ARE A PREDATOR DO YOU FEEL THE EXCITEMENT and they are not what either he or I would consider very artistically valuable films. They might be well-made in terms of craft, but there is no high concept most of the time. Where Ebert is correct is saying that whereas there are lots of vicarious-living movies and a lot of games, there are certainly many, many more 'art' movies than there are 'art' games. However if Ebert says a videogame inherently cannot be art because there is interactivity is involved, he's full of shit. Was there ever a greater tool for affecting someone psychologically than letting them act and then describing the consequence? He is at error if he thinks player choice means severely malleable outcome. A choice can be made in a videogame and the videogame can show you different results for different choices, and these results are still written by the artist and still convey meaning. A sandbox game isn't the only type of game one can make. You can play a videogame where you can be nice to your grandmother and have her feed positive emotions back to you or you could be an asshole to your grandmother (for shame!!!) and she would get sad and you'd feel like a moron. Is that sort of interactivity non-artistic? Why? Video games are certainly the art form of the future, and the sooner they disassociate from their core the base desire of dominance, control and destruction, the sooner they'll start realizing what they can do.
I find distinctions between art and high art ridiculous.
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I've said my piece with the religion topic already.
other:
Out of curiosity, how many people here are familiar with Raymond Briggs's "The Snowman" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeVaj4zkWy0&fmt=18)
I must've seen it at least a hundred times throughout my childhood, and it's probably the thing that can take me back in time the fastest
Oh snapz! I remember first watching this in music class when I was in, I think, kindergarden or first grade. I liked how soft it was. I remember the girls in my class giggled when the boy would put on his pants, and his crack would show. Immature skanks...
Speaking of that, I remember back then they tried playing a Barney tape for us to sing along one time in class. It was horrible, and the majority of the kids didn't participate. I guess even though we were young, we still had the brains to see that it was lame. Was any one else scared of those Pee Wee Herman dolls when they were younger? Or those antique clown dolls, or puppets?
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helm : yeah, I get you now (mostly :P). And yeah, the point of looking for truth is that it cannot be found so long as we are trapped in physical bodies, so plainly speaking it will kill us, but over the course of many years and i think that's necessary as part of this life. As is, as mentioned, actually living outside your brain.
i haven't read ebert's separation but i feel there is a tremendous difference between art primarily made to decorate or to impress, and art made to make a statement (where the statement is not LOOK AT ME I'M XXXXXX!!!). There's also art which exists purely to be a process or spirit of art, which does not necessarily make a statement or impress or decorate but isn't inherently "higher" or "lower." Many brilliant artists, from Monet to Freud, fall into this last category. Many brilliant artists like Donatello and Michelangelo fall into the first, and that does not make them worse (it's a product of the times), but if someone made a david today most people would be like "yup....it's a guy. standing. got it."
now here's a fun question, i wonder which david came to mind first? Donatello's bronze, Donatello's marble, or Michelangelo's marble?
Most videogame art is driven by a very small number of needs, and they are mostly marketing followed by technical prowess followed by "because something has to fill that space." Great art in games that come once every so often, like SotC for a recent example, still fall somewhere between wanting to impress, wanting to create an atmosphere, wanting to do a lot with an outdated platform, and that last ambiguous section of wanting to capture an essence. In all though, does this further anyone, or is it pure enjoyment? I think it's the second mostly. Is there anything wrong with pure enjoyment? No, in fact it's necessary. But it seldom gets into galleries in the last 100 years because "art" has generally moved away from that.
I will agree that the format does not limit games to non-art, but the public and the producers sure tend to.
And yeah, many films are not art, many films are.
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The idea that video games are the only interactive art form is patently ridiculous. If novels, paintings, film and theater were not interactive we would not enjoy them even a little bit. The fact that you as the audience or reader are constantly reconstructing and reorganizing the narrative, judging the characters, wondering what will happen next...these are all the things that make these art forms what they are. Video games merely extend this process into the literal.
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The idea that video games are the only interactive art form is patently ridiculous. If novels, paintings, film and theater were not interactive we would not enjoy them even a little bit. The fact that you as the audience or reader are constantly reconstructing and reorganizing the narrative, judging the characters, wondering what will happen next...these are all the things that make these art forms what they are. Video games merely extend this process into the literal.
by that logic, a bird in flight, completely beyond my power, is interactive. I can wonder where it came from, where it's going, condemn it as unintelligent or worship its freedom from human "rationality." This doesn't make the bird interactive, it only means that I am alive and that my perception of the world's output is subjective.
videogames, on the other hand, are one of few art forms (there is an excessive amount of interactive installation and performance art that was forgotten in the list) where the users input changes the output. That is a dramatic and vital difference and it's both an expanding and a limiting factor depending on the context.
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by that logic, a bird in flight, completely beyond my power, is interactive. I can wonder where it came from, where it's going, condemn it as unintelligent or worship its freedom from human "rationality." This doesn't make the bird interactive, it only means that I am alive and that my perception of the world's output is subjective.
but you can interact with it. With a gun. Or maybe a bow or another long-distance interactor. Maybe even a knife if you wait for it to land.
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discussion or whether or not video game art is art: http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=2871.0
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video game is game
video game art is art
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sorry, i wasn't around for that thread. Should have done some homework!
some good points made :y:
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I know the discussion has moved on but ...
By the way, I'm not trying to say that religion and science can't live together harmoniously. I think that's nonsense. I'm just using science for lack of an opposite to religion
Actually it's impossible that they can for real. It can only happen if people just play dumb about where they clash. Like 'umm we need science for flying cars, but I am not ready to abandon my divine daddy yet so let's pretend there isn't any contradiction in there'. Here's the thing: if people KNOW they are doing this and they don't mind, it's alright. If they suspect but try not to show it to not appear 'hypocritical' then it's the sort of thing that slowly makes you unbalanced.
Forget about science, consider cakes. Whenever a birthday cake, or anything, is cut up into smaller pieces, when you
add the pieces together, it is equal to what you started out with (ignoring crumbs). You do this every year, so you are pretty sure about.
But then Jesus breaks bread and fish and ends up with MORE. You say that's impossible. But you've assumed that your law that you derived from all those observations (cutting stuff ends up with same amount of stuff) can't be broken.
How could not making this assumption be "playing dumb"?
You should still be able to believe in Santa claus and be a researcher.
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Meh, too bad...everyone went off in their own tangent and in the end there's no continuity to the arguement, people just drop in with their "two cents" without following on what was said before and in the end the whole thing just smothers up and dies =/ too much talking and not enough listening.
MOVING ON!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leH7IU4yOWE Poor Mario. it was a good NORMAL child, thought it's jumps were for stomping baddies and avoiding obstacles...but then came this sick individual and changed all that, violated it so far that it did things to poor mario it didnt even know existed. I just hope Mario can get back to being a good, normal child after all this abuse.
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The idea that video games are the only interactive art form is patently ridiculous. If novels, paintings, film and theater were not interactive we would not enjoy them even a little bit. The fact that you as the audience or reader are constantly reconstructing and reorganizing the narrative, judging the characters, wondering what will happen next...these are all the things that make these art forms what they are. Video games merely extend this process into the literal.
by that logic, a bird in flight, completely beyond my power, is interactive. I can wonder where it came from, where it's going, condemn it as unintelligent or worship its freedom from human "rationality." This doesn't make the bird interactive, it only means that I am alive and that my perception of the world's output is subjective.
videogames, on the other hand, are one of few art forms (there is an excessive amount of interactive installation and performance art that was forgotten in the list) where the users input changes the output. That is a dramatic and vital difference and it's both an expanding and a limiting factor depending on the context.
That's a pretty crazy stretch :P Film of a bird in flight in the context of an entire film, or a painting of a bird in flight, is to me VERY different from simply seeing a bird outside, because there is a director or a photographer or a painter interpreting and changing it and showing it to us in their own way. Viewing or consumption of artistic works IS interactive in a way that passive observation of natural phenomena is not. And of course, video games are interactive in a way that other art forms are not, I wholeheartedly agree.
My point is simply that the idea that games can't be art because they are interactive just rings very false to me. They are *more* interactive, that's all. The idea of arbitrarily drawing a line in the interactive sand is just crazy, and I've never understood Ebert's reasoning behind it.
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Conceit, I feel the same way sadly.
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I know man! everyone answers with a differently geared wall of text, so in the end you have to make more and more separate walls of text for each one..until it just becomes imposible :huh: not bad for our first venue into this sort of stuff tho, it made me happy to see it spring up at all.
I'm gonna look up one of the 46984534 posssible comics I could chose from from the selection of artists you mentioned and see if it strikes me as much as Moore...doubt it tho. With Moore it's more than the art, it's his whole magician view of reality....I hope I can find someone where I live that can mentor me on this like I wish Moore did. Dont worry tho, I'm not about to chase gypsies asking them to teach me magic.....I know the closest thing to real magic is art...and Shamanism =)...fortunatedly I live in Colombia and we have a few indian tribes...so I have some hope of finding real shamans.
form the looks of this, for a discussion on this to go somewhere it'd have to be moderated :o
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My point is simply that the idea that games can't be art because they are interactive just rings very false to me. They are *more* interactive, that's all. The idea of arbitrarily drawing a line in the interactive sand is just crazy, and I've never understood Ebert's reasoning behind it.
Museums of modern art have housed interactive multimedia-installations since the 70's at least (Videoplace), so at least somebody has considered them to be art. Hasn't Ebert ever seen those? Well, I've seen a few of those, and while they may be amusing for 30 seconds, they are hardly games. For example, they may consist of you trying to move a blue box inside a red box while screeching metallic sounds are played on the background. (Well, that's my experience anyway.)
The controller mechanism is never more complicated than a one button joystick or computer generating images and sounds based on in which part of the room you're standing on or whatever. The controller mechanism tries to be as transparent as possible, no need to learn combos on a pad or memorize a bunch of quick commands on keyboards in order to "enjoy" the art.
They don't try to be books, movies, musical compositions or representative art. In other words, they lack a story-like narrative. You don't do quests or develop your character. The don't have cut-scenes, coherent soundtracks and the visuals tend to be more or less abstract. They don't have a high-score board or a learning curve. So, they try to be as digital and computerized as possible, lending as little as possible from other arts, so there's some sort of a point in that aspect I guess. But also...
...these don't make you cry, they merely make you amused for 30 seconds, so it seems they have been considered to be art for the sake of their technological gimmicks and feats rather than for the sake of their content.
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Yes in that a videogame managed to make someone cry places it squarely on top of all these 'interactive art installations'.
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The main reason videogames can't be art is because they're made to sell copies, not to express something. They're a consumer product. You can glorify games like Shadow of the Colossus but in the end it was made to pander to a specific audience.
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Hm however pretty much all the art that has been widely influential has been product-ed, asides from videogames. This doesn't mean to say it was designed to be a product, but at the end it was made into one to reach its audience. This might change in the future with digital forms of distribution and perhaps micro-donations and whatnot, but then we'd be talking about a different thing.
I will agree that 'will it sell?' becomes a huge concern when making a videogame and that if that concern overtakes the conceptual goal of the design team the game's artistic value is compromised. This is a pretty widespread notion I think.
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The main reason videogames can't be art is because they're made to sell copies, not to express something. They're a consumer product. You can glorify games like Shadow of the Colossus but in the end it was made to pander to a specific audience.
uh... movies, books, music, statues and paintings all get sold.
You might as well be arguing that they're not art because they're popular
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If architecture can be considered art then so can video games. (And it is, btw) The renaissance was big into interactive art, hence the sculptures which the viewer can walk around and view from any angle he likes, and the architecture in which you can actually be immersed inside a work of art, as well as multi-layered painting techniques that reflect light depending on where you're standing in relation to them. (Don't forget the reason that the Mona Lisa resonates with people is the way she appears to interact with the viewer) Creating art is an interactive experience and the creation itself can be considered an art form, that's what theater is - the art is created in front of an audience in real-time. A video game player is essentially an actor creating a performance in real-time according to a script written by a game designer on a set with props created by artists and engineers. Because the player is part of the art form does not negate the artistic merit any more than actors negate theater as art.
Commercial appeal or even marketability does not affect "art" status. Don't forget that most of the classic art that we adore so much was created (in part) to advertise the Catholic church in the days before billboards and newspaper ads, and that does absolutely nothing to diminish its beauty or credibility. Even commercial projects have expression in them, even if it's buried deep after hours of executive meetings and focus group testing. There's always someone (or multiple someones) on that project that was losing sleep to express their vision, even if the end result was tampered with. If you look hard enough you can find it, and sometimes you don't even have to look that hard.
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there's also a truckload of art that is all about reproduction. you can't throw out printmaking!
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The biggest factor in determining whether or not something is art is intentionality. If the maker had something in mind when they made the piece that was beyond "I'm going to make a football game," then it has a good chance of being art. There are other factors, but none of them seemed as critical as that one. Selling games is a factor, but it clearly can't be that big of a factor, because thousands of awful games get made every year. Shoot, the other day at GameStop, they were throwing out a pile of PC games that weren't selling, one of which was an Italian wedding-planning game. If sales were the only thing that the creators had in mind, then they obviously wouldn't have put that game out there.
The main point is this: if the artist/creator had an intention in making the game that was beyond a desire to make the game itself, then it is art. If the intention is solely to evoke a response from the viewer, that's fine, and is the basis of most shock art. The art can not be created by someone who wouldn't understand intention, however. For example, the elephant who paints pictures is a novelty, but could not be considered in artist, because it has no concept of intention, and furthermore, would not paint outside of captivity. Similarly, pieces of art that are made by computers could not be considered art. I'm not talking about digital art, but rather computers that compose music or design art based on computer programs. While the programs themselves can be extremely complicated, they do not create "art" because there is no intention.
There is a world of difference between what is considered "art," and what is considered a "craft." That is not to say that something that is a "craft" is inferior to a work of art; a photo-realistic rendering of a face, a la Chuck Close, is much more appealing to me than a canvas painted a solid color. Not to say that Chuck Close has no intention, and that it is not art, but something can be aesthetically pleasing and still not be "art." Once again, however, Chuck Close was an example (and my favorite artist) and by no means do I intend to diminish his art in any way. What I'm saying is, the physical work of art itself is simply a means to express a message, yet can never be separated from the message. Similarly, the message attached to the art is what gives the art meaning; if separated, both lose meaning.
So to tie it back: if the creators of video games have intention in creating said video games, and they are able to evoke a response, than they should be considered art, without a doubt.
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So to tie it back: if the creators of video games have intention in creating said video games, and they are able to evoke a response, than they should be considered art, without a doubt.
I think I agree with many points here. But.. The product could also be horrendous crap in terms of execution or the creator, despite his grand intentions, might not be a very groundbreakingly imaginative person. And there's a lot of middle ground as well. Are all games by Peter Molyneux art? Jeff Minter speaks like he's a true auteur, but I'm not that convinced.. his blog is awesome though. http://stinkygoat.livejournal.com/ (http://stinkygoat.livejournal.com/) Miyamoto has at least never claimed to do art, but to entertain.
In the mainstream video game industry (like also in the movie industry) there are not that many creators with a full control over the project, the producers usually have their say as well.
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Oh, come on, everything Yak (Minter) touches turns to art! Migraine-inducing hippie-style art, but still art.
I admire that dude so much.
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there's also a truckload of art that is all about reproduction. you can't throw out printmaking!
the original meaning of its creation was to express something, though.
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You can't say "this is about making money, so it's not art". That's nonsense. This isn't some fantasy world where artists don't care about money or need to make a living.
Even mass-produced things can be art. Though it's not like art has these strict guidelines, we're dealing with a very subjective definition here.
And videogames can be extremely expressive, I fail to see how one can consider them not to be art. Because they're interactive? Which would help the case for art, rather than hurt it.
The original reason much art is produced is to make money, but that doesn't mean it can't be expressive in the process.
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about the videogames topic:...meh.
I'm I the only one watching the Olympics? Don't know about you guys, but this is the first time I've actually been so into watching it. USA is DOMINATING the water sports. It's kinda' fun to see if Phelps in company will make the 8. Also, we gave China a small run for their money in the high bar. I swear, they make look as if they can do a 450 on request, and without a sweat. Amazing...
Also, Women's Volley ball: yum...
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I'm not talking about the game actually selling well or being mass-produced, I"m talking about the reason for it's existance. To sell. I think a video game could have componants to it that ARE art, but just not very good art. Like a 3D model, or the script.
also amnerika is farkin shredding everyone at the olympics. damn amelicans..
e: there are exceptions to video game art being terrible, like the character designs inPsychonauts or somethin.
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The reason for the existence of much art, however, is TO SELL.
If nobody bought artwork, believe me, there'd be more than a slight drop in the number of people producing it.
I'm not saying all videogames are art, but I'm saying that they CAN be. Art is more of a "why" than a "what" for me.
And I, for one, am not watching the Olympics (starring Michael Phelps as America's golden boy). Never really interested me, despite the ads and hype.
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If the reason for video games' existance would be to sell, why do we have crazy awesome experimental titles like Otogi, Jet Set Radio, and aforementioned Space Giraffe? Space Giraffe especially was made to be as non-casual as possible, I recall Jeff Minter stating. The whole game is working against you as a player. The graphics don't even help you understand what's going on, in fact, they make it even worse. The vast majority of everyone who's ever seen the game has been insanely turned off by it - because he wanted to make a new type of game, not caring that it wouldn't sell. That's why he managed to make it the minimum game price on XBL Arcade, too, even though half of the games go for twice as much.
And then there are free games. You know... free games. Games that people WOULD pay for, but the developer has no intention of making any money off. Related to the artsy thing, I'm reminded of The Endless Forest which is a flimsy online social game made in a program called Quest3D. Apparently, it's still going strong despite it having exactly no gameplay at all, still getting updates from the makers and still getting new players. And it's online, for free.
I want to believe most game designers really just want to make games that are cool to play. Or maybe just make games for the fun of creating them. Like how artists just want to make art. Sometimes, not even for people to look at, but just to get it done and feel good about it. Most musicians don't play to make money, either. Heck, even programmers like to work just for the fun of creating things, from what I've seen with the guys I've worked with.
Put those together and you have a development team. Of course money has to be an equation, because when people want to do something so big that takes so long, they can't just quit their normal jobs and live on the street while working on it. In such a case, the result would probable be one of them awesome indie games you can download for free off obscure websites. But that could lead to the development of a company, so these guys could create their dreams every day. And with a company comes the need for income to keep it running. With that need comes the desire for people to pay for their hard work so they can keep doing what they love. The more money they can get, the better, because then they could maybe even expand and hire people to make even grander creations.
And now, today, digital distribution is actually changing that. With things like PSN and XBL Arcade, indie guys get a chance to actually sell their tiny creations online and earn a little bit of money for it, and getting a larger audience to enjoy their work. So the trend is kinda reversing a little to where smaller teams need less money to actually get games published. And that's awesome.
But I strongly doubt that anyone would ever get into making games for the money. There are many safer bets to make if you're in it to get rich.
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I'm not talking about the game actually selling well or being mass-produced, I"m talking about the reason for it's existance. To sell.
You are simplifying here. Games are made because many people like to play games and thus it is a market. Just like people like to listen to music or read books or whatnot. If not most or many people would like doing something there would be less of it. It's all about demand and such. Also, of course big companys, many small ones as well do not give their stuff away for free, they SELL IT because they worked fucking hard on it in many cases and need to feed themselves and families. It's not that simple.
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troll'd by advocatus diaboli
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What do you mean, Cure?
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Probably something along the lines of everyone's disagreeing with each other just for the sake of disagreeing with each other; Everyone's playing the devil's advocate.
To add my two cents to the MrMister rant!:
if we're talking about games being made to make money, then yes, it's harder to consider them art.
Though you must remember that the artists themselves working on these games aren't necessarily making the game art to make money, they're making the game art to make the game art (though they do, of course, get paid). Does that not mean that the game art is art?
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Yeah I brought that up but game art is usually not very good. You might look at a video game sprite or a background and think 'that looks pretty cool' but it's not very artistically viable.
i also think the olympics are terrible and are being held in a terrible country. i think the last time something cool happened in china was the 1400's.
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What?!
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I used to argue that games were art because they contained art. That was silly. Games are more than the sum of their parts, and it is that whole - the game itself, completed and in its entirety, which should be judged as a work of art, not divvied up into pretty graphics, terrible music, glitchy code. Is the game as a whole a beautiful thing? Not "are the graphics pretty?" but "do they serve well and mesh with the rest of the game?" Does the music invoke emotion and capture the atmosphere? Does the game play well?
I think games are art, flat out, no exceptions. However, like other artforms, there is good art, and there is bad art, and there is art that exists to look cool, and there is art that exists to piss people off, and there is art made by the pretentious and the humble. Art made by people who think they know how to make art but have no idea. Art made by people who just do what they feel and end up with awesomenesses*. So, then, do games fall into these categories. The games that alot of people say are not art, like Doom, or some generic FPS or something - to me that sort of stuff falls into the same category as, say, a poster of a ripped muscley guy shooting zombies with a .50 cal rifle at point blank range while clutching on the other side of him a hot chick in a skimpy outfit with giant boobs and flaming cherry crimson lipstick. It's still art. It may even be extremely well executed on a technical level. But it's still only there to look cool. To be as badass as possible with as little logic behind the situation as one can manage. But it's still art.
Er, note that, once again, I didn't read many of the posts in relation to this discussion. I think I'll do that now.
* I can't believe Firefox didn't underline that.
Yeah I brought that up but game art is usually not very good. You might look at a video game sprite or a background and think 'that looks pretty cool' but it's not very artistically viable.
:huh:
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I couldn't agree with you more on this one, helm .... wow
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That's what I meant.
We're being trolled by a devil's advocate. An argument for arguments' sake. Allow me to present an example.
I don't think pixel art should really be considered art. It's enjoyable to make and look at, but it really doesn't hold up as art.
I think every sport and every country represented at the olympic games sucks.
I think all forms of theism, deism, atheism, and agnosticism are as dead wrong as science is.
etc.
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what teh??? :huh: :mean: :-\ :yell: video game art ?? more like fart. :n:
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I find you really disagreeable mister mister. Seriously.
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Are you really getting some kicks trolling in this forum?
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no i was hoping to stir up some arguments i hadn't seen before on the subject
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Stop trolling.
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Heh. That's pretty much the definition of trolling, isn't it? And arguments on what subject, anyway? Game art looking good? I don't think anyone here would ever need to argue about that. Remember the roots, man.
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On the topic of video games and art, I downloaded "Braid" today on the XBLA. Seriously, this game hurts my brain, but in a good way. I think that it's a perfect example of what we're talking about.
http://braid-game.com/ (http://braid-game.com/)
A perfect mesh of art and game. For once, it's not a nice-looking game with little to it.
And although it's not multiplayer, my gamertag for 360 is "TenFortyEZ." I suggest some of y'alls add me if you have 360, but don't send a blank invite, just include your name on here. Or give me your gamertag and I'll add you. Either way.
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I tried the demo of Braid. It has so many things done right that it's not even funny. No tutorials, you learn as you go. No pushing the story to the player, but it's up for grabs if you want it. Transforming gameplay mechanic and great visuals too. It'll probably be the first purchase i'll do on XBL.
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How about Bionic commando rearmed? was it a good remake as everyone says? I played the nes version and it was probably the first game I finished back in the old days ;D
I read a lot about braid and it seems a lot of people were blown away by it.
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The idea that video games are the only interactive art form is patently ridiculous. If novels, paintings, film and theater were not interactive we would not enjoy them even a little bit. The fact that you as the audience or reader are constantly reconstructing and reorganizing the narrative, judging the characters, wondering what will happen next...these are all the things that make these art forms what they are. Video games merely extend this process into the literal.
by that logic, a bird in flight, completely beyond my power, is interactive. I can wonder where it came from, where it's going, condemn it as unintelligent or worship its freedom from human "rationality." This doesn't make the bird interactive, it only means that I am alive and that my perception of the world's output is subjective.
videogames, on the other hand, are one of few art forms (there is an excessive amount of interactive installation and performance art that was forgotten in the list) where the users input changes the output. That is a dramatic and vital difference and it's both an expanding and a limiting factor depending on the context.
That's a pretty crazy stretch :P Film of a bird in flight in the context of an entire film, or a painting of a bird in flight, is to me VERY different from simply seeing a bird outside, because there is a director or a photographer or a painter interpreting and changing it and showing it to us in their own way. Viewing or consumption of artistic works IS interactive in a way that passive observation of natural phenomena is not. And of course, video games are interactive in a way that other art forms are not, I wholeheartedly agree.
My point is simply that the idea that games can't be art because they are interactive just rings very false to me. They are *more* interactive, that's all. The idea of arbitrarily drawing a line in the interactive sand is just crazy, and I've never understood Ebert's reasoning behind it.
About Ebert: don't care, he's an old film buff, he's not expected to like or understand or support a competing, different art form.
About videogames being art: of course they are, anything that is not (or is not considered) completely utilitarian and constrained by external forces has a spark of artistic expression from the person who decided to do it like that and not differently.
Being something that is produced from the ground up as a source of designed experiences for the public, videogames can be classified along with older art forms like painting, sculpture and music at the purest end of the spectrum of art forms.
About interactivity: I side with ndchristie, you are confusing interpretation, that takes place entirely in the observer's head, interactivity, which affects the artwork (or at least its temporary manifestations), and merely intentionally directing the observer's attention without causing changes.
About the bird example: an actual bird might be beautiful, but isn't art because we know it is not the work of someone (barring aberrant cases, like suspecting it's actually been put there for our entertainment); a bird film is art, albeit probably boring, unless we are convinced that it is utterly meaningless (for example, it's a byproduct of testing an automatic motion-activated camera system with birds on a sky background; but even that would have some art "margin" left, such as the choice of camera placement, time of day etc.).
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Without getting too deep into semantics, I am really not picky about whether or not you consider interpretation to be interactive. Ebert's point about video games is that they can't be art because they are interactive, therefore the author does not have full control over the effect the work has on the viewer. However, obviously interpretation exists, and so obviously authors of even "non-interactive" art do not have "full control" over the effect the work has on people.
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Just finished playing Chrono Trigger for the first time. Still an incredible game. I was looking through some of the game's art on a sprite site and realised that you never see the exteriors of any of the game's locations(except for overworld view). No outside shots of houses, castles or domes except for those overworld shots. The entire game is a series of rooms linked by the overworld.
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Hey, all, I need your help.
A while back, probably 2 domain changes since this, someone posted a really cool game on here. It was posted along side "Cave Story," and the icon was a moon. The game was real simplistic; you just ran around, and I think collected something that didn't matter. It was mostly just an adventure game. The only concrete detail that I remember was the moon icon. Anyone remember what it is?
And I'm sorry it's a bit vague, but it's a shot in the dark.
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Speaking of games from around these parts, whatever happened to Nun 'n' Gun?
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Whoa, you missed the intro scene of Magus's castle? That was one the best pixelled parts of that game.
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I just lurk here a lot, but this 'games as art' thing forces me to post. Games are a commercial industry, it's true, but film, books and music are the same type of media. There are plenty of artists in all of those other media who can genuinely say "this work is art" as they don't really give a crap about the money. They do it to do it. It doesn't matter how much money you make, so long as you're pushing yourself as an artist and the medium you're working with.
I think games have that same sort of potential, in the same way that comic books had that potential back in the 30's and 40's. Comics were an industry, and most of the people working in them were not really doing anything more than just trying to sell the next book. But diversity and the march of technology took that industry and turned it into something anyone could successfully do out of their home, and now there's a lot of diverse books out there of all types. I defy you to tell me that Maus is not "art".
Games have that same sort of creative potential. Anyone CAN make a game right now were they so inclined and driven to do so, and while most people focus on the 'fun' of a game, it's entirely possible to couple the interactive elements with a story and characters as compelling as anything in books or film. There have not been many designers who have tried to tap into that paradigm, but the lack of attempts is less a flaw of the medium and more an example of the untapped potential waiting to be unearthed in gaming.
And with that said, I'll go away for a while again :D
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video games are art. peace - michael phelps, 2001
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I defy you to tell me that Maus is not "art".
Whether Maus is art or not (it certainly made good use of contemporary storytelling techniques that Art Spiegelmann had honed while drawing for Raw) I believe it's importance lies elsewhere, in it's social impact and historical value. It wasn't made to be just "art", it was made to convey a difficult story as effectively as possible.
When you think about many books that are now considered classics, there are more books that have made it to history not for the sake of their experimental values but for the sake of the things that are said in them. Are there games that actually manage to say something important about something and say it well?
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Just found out i got into University ;D
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Just found out i got into University ;D
Nice, where ya goin'?
UW-Platteville for me.
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the university of exeter, (im from the UK)
i don't know if i will go though... could turn out to be a big waste of time and money.
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I wonder if we will ever truly define art. We know there's art, and we know there's bad art and even non art, so some line must exist somewhere!
I really need to get on a better sleeping schedule. it's 10:37 am here and I've been up since 5:30 pm yesterday -_-
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I wonder if we will ever truly define art. We know there's art, and we know there's bad art and even non art, so some line must exist somewhere!
that's the point of being human and subjective. sure we have these lines, but they are blurry and change dramatically from person to person.
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Please, for the love of God (who might or might not exist), no "What is art?" discussion.
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Hey, all, I need your help.
A while back, probably 2 domain changes since this, someone posted a really cool game on here. It was posted along side "Cave Story," and the icon was a moon. The game was real simplistic; you just ran around, and I think collected something that didn't matter. It was mostly just an adventure game. The only concrete detail that I remember was the moon icon. Anyone remember what it is?
And I'm sorry it's a bit vague, but it's a shot in the dark.
Sounds like Seiklus.
Speaking of games from around these parts, whatever happened to Nun 'n' Gun?
It was released. I used to have a link to some sprites and the game, but lost em. The game was alright. Tried searching google just now without luck. The creator's name was astrospoon. I originally saw it at eatpoo. Maybe you'll have some luck
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Please, for the love of God (who might or might not exist), no "What is art?" discussion.
XD sorry.
Not to get into that, but ndchristie, I know that peoples opinions on the matter change dramatically but are you saying something can not only be art or non-art, but also inbetween?
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Art- This word has no definition.
-Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
This isn't some issue with taxonomy, there is no authoritative word on what "art" is. It's a human invention, it's a word and nothing more. It describes many different things and spurs many an argument. This isn't black and white, there are no set criteria. This discussion will never get anywhere, and it never has.
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Successful artists truly know what art is. The rest just argue about it. It's a lot like tao. :]
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I agree with kitty.
I find that is the case with most of these big Something VS something (atheism VS Theism, Art vs Non-Art, LeftWing vs RightWing politics ) arguements.
Mostly, it's a flawed dichotomy that entirely misses the point. The reason they cant be solved is because their absolutism is forced, designed to disquialify people of opposing beliefs so that they dont have to be listened to and everyone can go on ignoring eachother.
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This isn't black and white, there are no set criteria.
I wasn't trying to start a big discussion. That answers my query just fine :]
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Sounds like Seiklus.
You are a beast. Thank you.
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so we just met regina spektor. total love.
in other news, success in art is either mass appeal or class appeal, and neither have been known to produce a fantastic sampling of "what is art." Not that this isn't good stuff, it's just arbitrarily chosen by a culture and a time period (as, perhaps, is the definition?)
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<3 saturday mornings
(http://adamatomic.com/pics/lonesome.gif)
Click here for stylish, tall image of last frame (lol?) (http://adamatomic.com/pics/action_time.jpg)
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Adam if we ever meet up you're totally taking me mountain climbing. I've done a little a long time ago and for some reason I remain convinced I'd be good at it.
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I wonder if anyone else has posted this already, but there's a game introducing Helm in person!
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7175/115492224400ux0.jpg)
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Mobygames doesn't allow hotlinking.
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Adam if we ever meet up you're totally taking me mountain climbing. I've done a little a long time ago and for some reason I remain convinced I'd be good at it.
You have the right mindset for it, which is 50% of the battle. But yeah if you ever visit I will happily take you out!
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(http://www.gameslave.co.uk/picstore/DeadRising/carlito.jpg)
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That's a male model. I am not a male model at all.
Adam: it's a deal :mean:
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That fella sure loves his butterfly-themed clothing and accessories. Just like the real Helm.
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my kitty shreds you
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The bond between a man and his avatar is strong.
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The avatar is humans best friend.
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The avatar is the human.
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The avatar is the human.
If that's true, Helm is the furriest human I've seen in a while...Damn Greeks need to learn to shave once in a while. :P
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Hey all. I got a new avatar.
It was probably the most difficult thing I've ever done, computer-wise.
So I found a funny youtube video, and decided "I want an animated gif of that." I searched google, and found a free online one that looked awful (something like .5 FPS) and a few others that seemed promising: namely, "River Past Video Cleaner."
I researched it for a while, and it seemed perfect: I could load the .flv file, input some parameters such as size and resolution, and then bam, an animated gif. I downloaded the free trial, and found out that it didn't have .gif support. I needed the booster-pack for that.
I went back to the site, and got the animated gif booster pack for said software, and found out that when I converted, it left a watermark. It wouldn't be a big deal if it weren't for the fact that the watermark was gigantic in proportion to the video. I searched a torrent site for the program, and found one that seemed decent, but the keygen was a trojan. Luckily I realized this, and was able to delete it. The problem was, that means I don't have a key.
I decided to scour the internet for a serial for this program: BAD IDEA. I should know better than to go to serials sites. I really should. I slipped up, though.
I went to one, and it said that I needed a cracked .exe. It seemed legit, so I downloaded it and patched the program. I ran the program, expecting it to be like "Thank you for registering the program!" Instead, a browser window opens up and goes to www.google.com
I didn't know how to react. At first, I thought it was just some weird bug, a bullshit crack, and that I was just not going to be able to use this program. I decided to uninstall it all and rid myself of the hassle. I opened up a windows explorer window, and no sooner than I did that, a browser window pops up and directs me to a google search for "viagra."
I got an awful, sinking feeling in my chest. I mean, I'd like to think I'm a savvy computer user. I am not usually one to fall for stuff like that, but seriously, an AVG scan turned up nothing, so what am I to think?
I run an AVG scan, but it detects no infections, so I really don't know what to think. I downloaded HijackThis, and ran a scan, then analyzed the log via. some German website that I use all the time. It detects a few nasty files, so I fix them, and think that's that. Fixing them only removed them from my startup list, however. They were still in the Windows directory just waiting to be run. I tried to delete them, but it said I didn't have permission. I figured I'd use File Shredder, but it says that the files are in use. I try to boot up in safe mode, but apparently that doesn't work either.
Eventually, I rebooted and did a system restore from a few days ago. I checked around, because I know that sometimes malicious files can stay resident in the system restore file. Luckily, everything is gone, no signs on infection, and a HijackThis log turns up nothing.
I got this computer at the beginning of the summer for college, and almost ruined it before school started. No more torrents, no more cracks, no more serials. I'm buying my software legit.
Try to learn your lesson the easy way. The avatars aren't worth it.
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I think the real lesson is you should hand pixel up some nice looking avatar. Bruce gives you a karma strike!
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Adam, is that the Greenbelt?
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heheh, would've been easier to convert the .flv to an .avi or .mpg with one of the many converter programs, and then export a selection of frames and save them as a gif :D
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I wonder if anyone else has posted this already, but there's a game introducing Helm in person!
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7175/115492224400ux0.jpg)
From what I understand, this game is actually based on Helm's real life escapades.
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I remember seeing a review for that game, and I coulda' swore the main character(the Helm look-alike) was "supposed" to be reference off of, and is a Native American, where Helm is a Native Greek. Two different cultures; one eats goats, the other eats buffalo.
*progresses to racist level 3*
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Adam, is that the Greenbelt?
It is :crazy: One of the 4 or 5 big walls down there anyways...
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I don't like all the ropes and cables of rock climbing. They make me more scared of dying than if I had nothing at all protecting me from impacting solid stone.
That being said, I don't climb anything more than 20 feet without some reasonable sort of escape, such as a deep pool of water.
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I got this computer at the beginning of the summer for college, and almost ruined it before school started. No more torrents, no more cracks, no more serials. I'm buying my software legit.
sorry evan, but all you really learned was getting your cracks from google always gives you spyruses :-[ :-X
but if it made you a better person, good for it.
on that topic; i've seen maybe 2 completely safe serial sites in my life.
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one eats goats, the other eats buffalo.
Bison.
And I think they quit eating those after we drove them to the brink of extinction. The bison, that is. White America would never drive the Native Americans to the brink of extinction...
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one eats goats, the other eats buffalo.
Bison.
And I think they quit eating those after we drove them to the brink of extinction. The bison, that is. White America would never drive the Native Americans to the brink of extinction...
tomato , tomah'to
You say Bison, though all I see is another Steak with 4 legs awaiting to be devoured. Excuse my being blunt, but some days I just have to let my "ignorant American" side show a bit. It makes me human.
Also, no need to slightly hate the white percentage in your genetic make up: Native Americans aren't too excited with what my Mexican people have tried to do with them as well. After all, our ancestors( ya' know, the side with the jaguar warriors, crazy priests, and needless sacrifices) have been feckin' with them before the white man showed up. Except when the "white man" came, he carried with him "boom boom" sticks. And even when our crazy ancestors were intertwined with the supposed well mannered, righteous, religious Spaniards, thus giving the worlds most well known mutts, "The Mexican", we still had the urge to kill and steal from the Natives
Just goes to show, the animal inside of all us will never die, no matter how "civilized", "religious" and "social"we make ourselves out to be.
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1. After reading this low leveled, non-factual intellectual's short generalization of the human species, what would one think the following posts will segway into?
A) Argument of Evolution against Creation
B) Racism throughout the world
C) Another Religious argument
> D)this post will go ignored
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ha ha, the spanash are funy. think that natives know poo poo about tuggin a man til he shrieks? youre a joker if you disagree :y:
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BOBs post being ignored...
Adam- I haven't been to the greenbelt for like 12-13 years. when I was there like half of it was closed to climbing because of ignorant climbers littering and creating social trails all over the place. That still the case? I bet its even more polished now than it was then too.
BOB- I find it interesting that you seperate native olmecs/mayans etc from native americans. culturally they were different, but weren't they from similar genetic backgrounds? Also, most mexicans I know (and I lived and worked in mexico) seem to think they are spanish (as in from spain) when in fact, most are a mix of some european blood and mostly indian blood. The spanish conquerors had the charming idea that if they couldn't beat them down, they could breed into them an identity more spanish than indian.
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BOBs post being ignored...
Adam- I haven't been to the greenbelt for like 12-13 years. when I was there like half of it was closed to climbing because of ignorant climbers littering and creating social trails all over the place. That still the case? I bet its even more polished now than it was then too.
BOB- I find it interesting that you seperate native olmecs/mayans etc from native americans. culturally they were different, but weren't they from similar genetic backgrounds? Also, most mexicans I know (and I lived and worked in mexico) seem to think they are spanish (as in from spain) when in fact, most are a mix of some european blood and mostly indian blood. The spanish conquerors had the charming idea that if they couldn't beat them down, they could breed into them an identity more spanish than indian.
Actually the green belt is awesome now. Conservation has been a pretty big deal recently, and this group called I think the Central Texas Mountaineers or something to that effect have been taking exceedingly good care of the walls and bolts. Some of the holds on some of the climbs are still pretty polished, but there's plenty of rough stuff too :D
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@McStinkus: You are correct, as far as close genetic structure. However, no matter how much we fight it, culture makes us who we are, in the end, as far as generalizations go. And due to that, outskirting Aztec(or was it Mayans?) groups would sometimes send troops out to collect, as far as what is known as the Mexican-American border today, only to war with the Natives of the North American soil. Though I'm sure they never sent many, as they would be spread out too thin, the time they got out that far to Northern American lands. Obviously, North American Natives knew their own lands better.
And you are also correct in the fact that most Mexicans LIKE to believe we are Spanish, when most probably aren't. I looked up my Mother's surname's brief origin, and found they are mixed from English descent(Euro), and my Father's surname links me to Italy(my dad's father, my abuelo, has blue eyes and is light skinned), but both were born in Mexico. Yet we were raised in a Mexican house, with Mexican values. So again, Culture rules us, not our genetic make up.
Also, as fate would put it, my father's dad, and my mothers dad both played in the same band; My mother's dad was the trumpet player, and my dad's father was the banjo-ist(is that even a word?). Apparently, the banjo player gets all the girls, as my grandpa was the womanizer in his hay day. They played in several places around the northern part of Mexico. A couple of years later, my father met my mother, and history was made. So who knows, maybe I might be destined for music, as a guitar player or something.
Mexican death metalz, here I come! :yell:(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n118/TheBoBslow/rawk2-1.gif)
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think that mexans know poo poo about tuggin a guitar til it shrieks?
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BOB, I reread your original post and realized that I essentially was reiterating what you had said. I agree that culture IS what makes us who we are and is what defines the lines between. I think maybe what I was trying to express is the historical and prehistorical ironies (when taken in modern context) of cultural identities throughout central and north america. IE, I find it interesting when people define themselves or others as american indians or mexican indians, when in fact they were at the same time neither mexican nor american nor anything so simple as "indian" but rather a multitude of genetically similar and culturally different people.
Also, while reading your post I mistook "English decent" for some sort of anthropological stock term before I realized you meant descent which was funny to me. i don't know why.
Adam- Its a shame that areas need to be policed by a few members of their own to keep people from ruining their own resources (the tragedy of the commons and all) and climbing has always had that problem but access is access. Have you ever climbed lake travis? If you like (incredibly cliched terminology coming up) deep water soloing, you can have a blast there, as long as you're careful where you bail off of.
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I've heard its awesome, but I haven't been yet. I'm close enough to the greenbelt climbs that I can bike there, so I haven't gotten out to any of the bigger local stuff, like lake travis or reimer's or enchanted yet. But soon!
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BOB, I reread your original post and realized that I essentially was reiterating what you had said. I agree that culture IS what makes us who we are and is what defines the lines between. I think maybe what I was trying to express is the historical and prehistorical ironies (when taken in modern context) of cultural identities throughout central and north america. IE, I find it interesting when people define themselves or others as american indians or mexican indians, when in fact they were at the same time neither mexican nor american nor anything so simple as "indian" but rather a multitude of genetically similar and culturally different people.
Also, while reading your post I mistook "English decent" for some sort of anthropological stock term before I realized you meant descent which was funny to me. i don't know why.
Adam- Its a shame that areas need to be policed by a few members of their own to keep people from ruining their own resources (the tragedy of the commons and all) and climbing has always had that problem but access is access. Have you ever climbed lake travis? If you like (incredibly cliched terminology coming up) deep water soloing, you can have a blast there, as long as you're careful where you bail off of.
If your culture defines you, you aren't a very interesting person. You're taking part in and identifying with something you had nothing to do with. That's kind of like saying 'we won the gold medal' when you're watching the Olympics on tv
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Delphine's (guys responsible for Flashback) "Future wars"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHGr3Gv_nk
I just watched this whole thing without stopping. I dont even know wether that's a good thing or not.
Has it's clever moments...but mostly it was just the pixelartist in me that kept me watching...I almost feel like we should have a Delphine mockup frenzy next...ALMOST :p.
does anybody know the limitations of amiga?
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If your culture defines you, you aren't a very interesting person. You're taking part in and identifying with something you had nothing to do with. That's kind of like saying 'we won the gold medal' when you're watching the Olympics on tv
I would happily argue the exact opposite, really.
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As much as I would like to take the libertarian Ayn Rand stance, I have to disagree with you MrMister. I would agree with you if you were talking genetics. I have zero interest in "being proud" of my ancestry. It may occasionally interest me, But I was just born into it, etc. But your culture is fairly inescapable. Even a devout counterculturalist is simply defining himself by his born culture. I don't believe you can ever divorce yourself from the framework of the culture you were raised in. I don't mean massive generalities either, such as American, New Yorker, White, or things of that nature(even though they are huge factors). I mean the the subtleties in the way you were raised. Daniel Quinn defined culture quite succinctly by saying Culture is the way a group of people make a living and the behaviors that stem from that. This will eventually boil into a nature vs nurture arguement. Also, I'm not sure if you're seriously posing this question/statement as a legit thought, or if you're being condescending simply to exercise some internet-only sense of superiority. I hope its not the latter and you will extrapolate on your thoughts.
Adam- you should get your ass out to the lake, dude, dwsing is great! I can't tell if you lead or followed that roof cause there was a skipped bolt going to the anchors which were already clipped. If you are learning to lead, or thinking about it, definitely get out over some water with no rope. It'll really build some confidence and help you learn your limits in terms of fear and, well, ballsyness. plus its great to whip out into the water on a hot texas day. The closest to that I've got is in the dacks (small road trip) or Summersville in WV (medium road trip). One thing I was wondering, I saw your finger board, how come you didn't just buy a hangboard from metolius? You'll have much more diversity of holds and grips to practice on.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001APVUW6?ie=UTF8&redirect=true
Also, has anyone seen this? is it a joke?
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/previews/preview.pl?sys=wii&game=castlevania_judgment
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id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
im really barely influenced by any socially transmitted ideas and they definitely dont make up the bulk of my personality
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As I recall it was mostly caucasians. It wasn't saying anything about the specific race, or the concept of race, just making what I still assert is an accurate statement. It's not that heavy.
Adam, please see the previous argument (videogames and their role in the world of art) for my reason refrain from such lively debate.
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Also, has anyone seen this? is it a joke?
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/previews/preview.pl?sys=wii&game=castlevania_judgment
No joke. It's real. Which is a shame, because I'd much prefer a standard Castlevania platformer on my Wii.
id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
im really barely influenced by any socially transmitted ideas and they definitely dont make up the bulk of my personality
That seems like sort of a naive thought to me. All ideas are culturally transmitted. I'm of the belief that nobody comes up with anything completely on their own, but instead by simply mixing up the ideas and things around them. Just because you can't identify your cultural influences doesn't mean that they don't exist. Any holidays that you celebrate and all of the words that you use are culturally based. The meals you eat and your daily routine are based on culture. Your personality is displayed by your actions. Culture also includes things picked up from friends. Expressions you may use, habits you have, your ideals, and so on. It isn't exactly national culture, but it is culture, and it is exactly the same thing. Nature and nurture are the two things that make up all people, so if it's not in your genes, then you picked it up from somewhere. That somewhere is your cultural surroundings. Culture is simply a word to describe the generalized thoughts, feelings, and actions of a particular group.
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id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
im really barely influenced by any socially transmitted ideas and they definitely dont make up the bulk of my personality
Family is in fact the origin of society, and im sure you take some great deal of values from it.
I feel we are all influenced by society in one way or another.
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no i dont take a great deal of values from my family
and my defining qualities aren't that i like pizza and say 'outasite' a lot
i also disagree with this notion
I'm of the belief that nobody comes up with anything completely on their own, but instead by simply mixing up the ideas and things around them
because nothing new or good could ever happen this way. things like musical notes or colours aren't transmitted culturally so the juxtaposition of them has nothing to do with rearranging other peoples thoughts
anyway.. ugh.. bland.. convo... that castlevania game looks like a retarded piece of shit and i can't wait to not buy it. fighting games are the mother of prevention. of fun.
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I'm really hoping no one feeds the troll argument here and its flawed philosophy.
Aw man, will 500th post GET work if it's an editpost?
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One of the reasons why exporting our fantastic Western ideas and values at a gun point often ends up getting very messy is because of thinking that "People are the same everywhere. Of course they want the same things we value most. It's in their human nature to want to be like us, since we obviously are the closest thing to what it really means to be a human, and they can hardly wait to get to our level too."
No, people are not the same everywhere. Culture makes a difference. Not in terms of different levels of progress, but in terms of playing a different game altogether.
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id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1474/20080803au2.gif)
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thanks for the xkcd comic its super funny
One of the reasons why exporting our fantastic Western ideas and values at a gun point often ends up getting very messy is because of thinking that "People are the same everywhere. Of course they want the same things we value most. It's in their human nature to want to be like us, since we obviously are the closest thing to what it really means to be a human, and they can hardly wait to get to our level too."
No, people are not the same everywhere. Culture makes a difference. Not in terms of different levels of progress, but in terms of playing a different game altogether.
yeah but those people arent interesting.
me, on the other hand... i am really something
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Evidence that counter arguments are void.
These arguments serve as nothing more than a scam to get people to rant about their totally awesome opinions on bullshit.
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Adam- you should get your ass out to the lake, dude, dwsing is great! I can't tell if you lead or followed that roof cause there was a skipped bolt going to the anchors which were already clipped. If you are learning to lead, or thinking about it, definitely get out over some water with no rope. It'll really build some confidence and help you learn your limits in terms of fear and, well, ballsyness. plus its great to whip out into the water on a hot texas day. The closest to that I've got is in the dacks (small road trip) or Summersville in WV (medium road trip). One thing I was wondering, I saw your finger board, how come you didn't just buy a hangboard from metolius? You'll have much more diversity of holds and grips to practice on.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001APVUW6?ie=UTF8&redirect=true
I didn't lead the roof myself, those photos are from my third top-roped attempt at gaining the ledge. Right now I'm mainly leading 5.10s, the route leading up to the roof is 5.10d and the roof is 5.12, a bit beyond my abilities! ;)
I thought a lot about getting either a proper fingerboard or maybe rock rings, but:
1 - wanted to be able to customize it, and holds are pretty cheap
2 - wanted to practice building a home rock wall surface, just for the sake of experimentation
3 - was cheaper than fingerboard, about the same cost as rock rings
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true nuff. I can respect wanting to build it yourself. A quick word from someone whos gone down that path is to not try and build a home gym unless you have a really devoted group of people you can rely on for years. I've built two and they are expensive, bulky, and time consuming. Its fun for a while, but it gets really boring setting hard and fun problems. And the inevitablilty of running out of room on your wall to do what you want is unavoidable. If you have a big group of people who are willing to hang out and take turns both setting and solving makes it a far more palatable project. But you will bulk up finger and arm strength fast if you really devote youself to it. If you go this route, put as many t-nuts as you can and as much shit as you can on the wall so it takes longer to exhaust your options. But if you live close enough to the greenbelt to bike there, exhaust that option first! And if you're ever in upstate ny, scream at me and we can go check out the gunks or something. Good job on the roof! I dig working on something out of your league and eventually gettin' er! Its been years since i've ticked a 12.
Cure- I have no opinion, just bullshit.
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MrMister: Strike GET! for being argumentative just for the sake of it and being a troll, not an overly bad one, but an annoying one none the less. Take this as a warning.
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N..n-no... NO!!!
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That's the spirit, Mister. Don't settle for bronze. Go for teh GOLD!
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How rude...
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Summer's almost over. :o
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true nuff. I can respect wanting to build it yourself. A quick word from someone whos gone down that path is to not try and build a home gym unless you have a really devoted group of people you can rely on for years. I've built two and they are expensive, bulky, and time consuming. Its fun for a while, but it gets really boring setting hard and fun problems. And the inevitablilty of running out of room on your wall to do what you want is unavoidable. If you have a big group of people who are willing to hang out and take turns both setting and solving makes it a far more palatable project. But you will bulk up finger and arm strength fast if you really devote youself to it. If you go this route, put as many t-nuts as you can and as much shit as you can on the wall so it takes longer to exhaust your options. But if you live close enough to the greenbelt to bike there, exhaust that option first! And if you're ever in upstate ny, scream at me and we can go check out the gunks or something. Good job on the roof! I dig working on something out of your league and eventually gettin' er! Its been years since i've ticked a 12.
Cure- I have no opinion, just bullshit.
Yeah I think probably the main lesson I took away from this project is a home climbing wall just isn't worth it, unless there is some aspect of the house or land that is really, really accomodating to this sort of thing. And even then....
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I noticed that whenever a new activity is posted, all the prior activities kind of die. I mean, they don't die completely but they get a lot less activity. I'm guessing this is because the front page shows the last active thread, and of course the newer ones are the most active... I personally find myself not keeping track of older activities because the newer one gets the posts, thus is always posted on the front page making it easier to just click and check it out -- knowing there is going to be a new post.
Would it be possible for the news box at the top to show if the threads they link to have new activity? Would be a bit easier to keep track of activities and such.
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http://www.mattmakesgames.com/games.php
jumper 3 is button cute but way different from its predecessors
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Fun!
Hey has anybody played through Braid yet?
My friend Josh and I played through it today and I've been sad the whole day since :[
It's a fun game still though. I recommend it!
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Okay, this is going to seem a little odd but I'm totally bored tonight, and trying to find interesting people to chat with but running into dumdums who have nothing interesting to say.
By any chance, is there anyone here who uses IMVU? If so, and if you're in the mood for a chat, look me up. I'm online.
I used to chat in the Pixelation IRC some time ago, but people there often got into strange conversations about computers and programming and stuff, so I ain't going there. haha
And what is this game you speak of, kitty?
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does anybody know the limitations of amiga?
There are no limitations!!!
Sorry, I actually don't know the answer. Deluxe paint could have 32, 256 colors and HAM mode with an insane amount of colors. One game 'Zombie Apocalypse' had 32 colors I know, I think 'pirates' had 64.
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id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1474/20080803au2.gif)
Wow that font is awesome. :D
E: ooh look what I found.
http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml (http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml)
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Wow that font is awesome. :D
I think that's hand lettering?
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It's still awesome, somehow reminds me of the Marvel Comics font that was in the Hulk-movie intro.
Something like this
(http://blambot.com/images/preview_comicgeek.jpg)
I'm a font geek :crazy:
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It's still awesome, somehow reminds me of the Marvel Comics font
... that "font" looks like that because comics always used to use hand lettering :yell:
i see the reason for using fonts to hasten lettering, but using fonts made to look like they were done by hand has always baffled me.
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What is so baffling about it? Using handlettered looking fonts to make it mesh with the drawings makes sense. "Normal" print fonts usually look horrible in comics, unless it is made on purpose and for effect.
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don't a lot of amnerkian comics still use hand lettering
maybe not
most fonts designed to emulate hand lettering to look like shit though, a la comic sans
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what's baffling is that things like Comic Sans and it's spawn are pretty "bad" fonts. I don't think that it's necessary anymore, with the way comics have changed to much, to not use any of a thousand "good" (sans serif) faces. Not to mention, many hand-lettered comics already followed much better conventions than these here. Of the fonts on that site, only a handful are really effective. particularly LOL are the ones that are mimicking poorly lettered comics.
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don't a lot of amnerkian comics still use hand lettering
maybe not
most fonts designed to emulate hand lettering to look like shit though, a la comic sans
Yup, some comics still use hand lettering. Some don't. Sometimes you can't really tell a difference, because a lot of fonts that emulate hand lettering actually look pretty good. I wouldn't say Comic Sans is even intended to look like comic lettering, I think it's just a random "playful" font someone at Microsoft decided Windows needs to have.
Anyway, fonts aren't very important as long as they stay out of the way. It doesn't take many pages for the reader to completely forget what the font looks like and just read what it says. Assuming it doesn't suck, that is. A concept most webcomic authors still have no grasp of...
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It's still awesome, somehow reminds me of the Marvel Comics font
... that "font" looks like that because comics always used to use hand lettering :yell:
I just say font, it's faster than saying hand lettering. It saves 10 hits. :P
But I'm sure that font (haha) is somewhere in teh internet. I want it.
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But I'm sure that font (haha) is somewhere in teh internet. I want it.
That is not a font in the graph, as each letter is unique(none are exactly the same).
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Yes.. but.. um..
:'(
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I just say font, it's faster than saying hand lettering. It saves 10 hits. :P
and you waste the other 77 on explaining that. ;p
In fact, many known letterers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterer) now use computer-generated fonts that resemble their hand-lettering.
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Kazu Kibuishi designed his own font based on his own style of hand lettering, just to save time on full-length books, since he's kind of author/illustrator combo. I think like anything else, there can be good manual and automatic fonts, but of course there can be horrible ones too :P
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Its on off topic thread, so I can go off topic. :P
I've been having problems with Firefox on here. I love the ability to click and zoom and such, but Firefox has been trying to "improve" the picture by blurring it whenever I enlarge something. I think with some more updates it now blurs all pixel images. Is there some option on settings that prevents this?
Or is my monitor just dying? :ouch:
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There's been topics about this. FF3 uses some sort of billinear scaling (I think?) instead of nearest neighbour. This is supposed to improve scaling on images, it's however not suited for pixel art. They didn't think that anyone would miss the old scaling, so there's currently no option of switching, except switching browser.
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if you're looking to make a switch to a non-retarded browser i recommend opera. not pushing it on anybody but it is a lot faster and better than firefox. if you wanna stick with the losing team you can wait till an update comes along that allows you to turn it off
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...or you could download an earlier version of firefox.
Damn, nevermind, that'd be far too easy.
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Must be a Windows-only thing -- image zooming is just as crisp as ever on my Ubuntu Linux box with FF3.
I just found this handy way of doing things where you press / to search, type a word fragment to find the link you want, and hit Enter to go to it.
It speeded up local navigation a lot for me.
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After installing all the necessary stuff on my newly fixed computer, I noticed the Firefox thing, too. Luckily, I still have my faithful Pixelation Zoom, so it doesn't bother me. One of my favorite pieces of software!
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Luckily, I still have my faithful Pixelation Zoom, so it doesn't bother me. One of my favorite pieces of software!
Explain!
I'm hoping you have some magic solution that will let me keep FF3 and have clean zooming.
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Must be a Windows-only thing -- image zooming is just as crisp as ever on my Ubuntu Linux box with FF3.
I just found this handy way of doing things where you press / to search, type a word fragment to find the link you want, and hit Enter to go to it.
It speeded up local navigation a lot for me.
thats been in opera since like 2003. peace.
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(http://www.achievement.org/achievers/win0/large/win0-030.jpg)
Okay, it's not a perfect pun but whatever. :crazy:
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I just say font, it's faster than saying hand lettering. It saves 10 hits. :P
and you waste the other 77 on explaining that. ;p
In fact, many known letterers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterer) now use computer-generated fonts that resemble their hand-lettering.
My friend made a program for his news letters he sends out for his cafe. Each letter has multiply versions of itself. For example, the A has three different images. One of the images is tilted a bit, another isn't and the last one is really titled. This makes it look like it's hand written mainly because it's random and not the same. He's got a masters in computer science and yet he decided to open a cafe'. I don't get it. It has wi-fi though...
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Luckily, I still have my faithful Pixelation Zoom, so it doesn't bother me. One of my favorite pieces of software!
Explain!
I'm hoping you have some magic solution that will let me keep FF3 and have clean zooming.
Heh. It's a piece of software that... someone.. wrote. Hold on...
BlackEye wrote it. Many ages ago. Before the first Pixelation zoom script was born! It's a little exe that opens up a tiny window that views what's over the mouse with an adjustable degree of non-filtered magnification. It's not as smooth and easy as, say, clicking to zoom. And the window is actually quite small. But that doesn't bother me one bit. The fact that I can use it anywhere, just like I have been since I first downloaded it whenever, and not just in a browser or a specific site, makes it worth it. And that its name is actually PixelationZoom.
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Oprah has made it into our OT thread...
this means something...
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Oprah has made it into our OT thread...
this means something...
what does it mean .TakaM
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what does it mean
we are tainted and must be purged
*brings out three goats and four knives*
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Oprah has made it into our OT thread...
this means something...
what does it mean .TakaM
Hey you! Here's another strike! Next time you ask a question, be sure to be actually interested in the answer! I can read your mind!
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So apparently the non-Beta of FF3 came out yesterday... did they fix the blurry resizing thing?
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Uhh, the non-beta Firefox 3 came out like more than two months ago, dude. That's when we all started complaining about it.
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Uhh, the non-beta Firefox 3 came out like more than two months ago, dude. That's when we all started complaining about it.
Err, well I should have said a new update came out. My FF2 popped up and asked me if I wanted to download it.
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hmm... Ter-o = phase1? If so, thanks a lot for beating me at assembly 2005. I'm still bitter.
Small world, etc. :o
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I'm still bitter.
Don't be. I haven't been to Assembly since, so the stage is all yours and all the trophies for you to collect ;D
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So apparently the non-Beta of FF3 came out yesterday... did they fix the blurry resizing thing?
No, it did not.
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I see there's been a minute change in the layout of the front page. Are there any other new surprises that await the design of the site?
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Oprah has made it into our OT thread...
this means something...
what does it mean .TakaM
Hey you! Here's another strike! Next time you ask a question, be sure to be actually interested in the answer! I can read your mind!
why should i
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Bye bye!
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I see there's been a minute change in the layout of the front page. Are there any other new surprises that await the design of the site?
Indeed! MrMister has been banned aswell!
I like this new layout.
GAH! Vucking musquitos won't leave me alone! I can't stand those things!
Edit- Ah, the ranks also seems changed? The names seem to be gone, and Helm is now and Administrator instead of a Shogun.
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We cleaned the rankings as they were more confusing than helpful. On one hand it was hilarious for a while to tell some jackass "hey be less of a jackass" and having them snap right back at me because they couldn't tell I was an administrator, but it got old.
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I do not know where else to put this, so I'll stick it in the off-topic thread (tho really... it's sorta not...)
New Firefox update = screwing up the 'zoom' function on the forums here for anyone else but me?
it seems to be filtering the images when it blows them up thus making them lose their crisp pixelicity. I have been trying to find a suitable option or preference in Firefox that will remedy this situation, but I have not stumbled upon it yet. Anyone else?
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what does it mean .TakaM
Hey you! Here's another strike! Next time you ask a question, be sure to be actually interested in the answer! I can read your mind!
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Jeezy-creezy, you gave him a strike for that? :huh:
Anyway, changes are pretty neat, and it will be interesting to see where the low spec art board goes.
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Pixelation has been noticed by Kotaku!
http://kotaku.com/5042776/new-games-remade-as-game-boy-games-results-are-awesome#viewcomments
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Awesome! Congrats to the artists who got featured there!
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Pixelation has been noticed by Kotaku!
.. Japan has taken notice too:
http://www.inside-games.jp/news/309/30919.html
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wow, look at all the attention we've drawn
hi world! :D
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They're jpeging and resizing us :(
And if you don't mind me asking, was there more to this little MrMister saga than meets the eye?
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No, MrMister was just an annoying troll.
About the linkage, seems like LOTS of sites have linked to the demakes thread. BoingBoing as well as Destructoid just to name some others. Perfect example of viral internet action.
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I've never felt more proud of this community! I wonder who was the first to write about it..a staff member of a gaming site who also happened to be a Pixelation member? A bored anonymous writer looking for something fresh and exciting?
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Checking it again, Kotaku claims to have noticed it off of BoingBoing, so I assume it appeared there first.
Someone should tip them off about Mockup Frenzy #8 in a month or two.
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A friend of mine started a fun little project to kill some time when bored on the net and he asked me to spread the word. Anybody's welcome to give it a shot, and upload one or two too.
http://whatthemovie.com/
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Cavestory stole my yesterday.
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Cavestory stole my yesterday.
Cavestory has stolen many, many yesterdays. It should be arrested.
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If a bomb is set to go off...
And a monkey is climbing a tree...
How long does the monkey have to get a banana before the tree explodes?
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In my case, about a screen and a half's worth of scrolling.
Assuming, that is, that the monky is you and your post is the tree. It's about as tall as a tree.
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TRICK QUESTION! Bananas don't grow on trees!
...I like Rox's answer better though.
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TRICK QUESTION! Bananas don't grow on trees!
...I like Rox's answer better though.
Yes they do?
Oh wait, it looks like a tree but is classified as as plant?
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Bananas do not grow on trees. They grow on plants that are giant herbs and are related to the lily and orchid family.
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Those trick questions bother and amuse me equally. Because they're meant to trick someone into giving a false answer, the question itself tends to be equally incorrect. In this case, there's little relation at all between the four actors; bomb, banana, tree and monkey. It's actually quite plausible for there to be a banana in the tree, or perhaps below the tree, since it is strongly suggested that the monky is in fact headed for a banana, yet is climbing a tree. But the question itself is flawed because of how vague it is. There is no way of answering it correctly, even ignoring the whole banana tree issue.
It's like asking this: It's raining outside. Rox is writing a far too analytical post about something trivial because he has absolutely nothing better to do. How long before he gets wet?
There's an obvious relation between the factors, but absolutely nothing to determine the answer. In the original question, the only thing you actually know is that there is a tree that will explode, and a monkey is climbing it. I'm writing a post, and it's raining. What the question fails to imply is that I'm sitting inside a house, so I'll likely never get wet. Similarly, the trick question fails to mention anything about time, or if the bomb is even set with a timer or fuse to begin with, so there's no way at all of answering it correctly. Since all answers should therefor be assumed incorrect, it's kinda pointless to point out that there's no such thing as a banana tree - when it's clearly stated that the monkey is, in fact, headed for a banana while in a tree.
And still, my post remains strawberry bush sized.
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While there is mention of the tree exploding, there is no mention of how, unless you assume that the bomb is inside the tree.
However the location of the bomb is not specified, therefore you cannot assume that it is anywhere near the tree OR a banana at all.
What also is not stated is the size of the explosion the bomb would cause, the explosion may or may not be big enough to take out the tree, the monkey, and the banana.
And if the bomb is NOT inside the tree, then the tree, instead of exploding at worst would either fall over or catch on fire... if you assume the the explosion is large enough to do so from where ever the bomb is.
There is also no information stating that the bomb will indeed go off. It could be a dud. It is set to go off, yes... but it could be faulty and not explode at all.
There is no information in the question that tells you a banana is anywhere within the monkey's range. The monkey could be on an island that has no bananas... and if that were the case, the monkey would then either have to swim elsewhere to find the banana or be brought a banana.
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Eh, silly "question".
Here's for a real question:
There is a big group of people on a field and they randomly get assigned hats, either blue or red ones. They can not see what colour hat they are wearing and they are not allowed to communicate in any way with the others. No gestures, no pointing, no nothing. How can they devide so that all of the red ones are on one side of the field and the blues are on the other side?
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they take off their hats ???
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They are not allowed to do that either. No looking at their own hats. This also is NOT a trick question, there is a logical solution to this.
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hmm can they react like moving away?
Lets say I saw 3-4 persons close together with red hat, and I try to come close, they see me coming and they move away. I guess it means I have a blue hat, so I go to another small group with the same color as my hat and they welcome me without moving away.
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But then how do they form those groups in the first place, Froli?
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if you put a large number of people in a place, there is always a probability of 3-4 people of the same color of hats are together by random chance. If you put yourself on that position, wouldn't you approach them? I guess by the end it will lead into a chain reaction.
Well there must be another solution, but that's what I thought.
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Eh, silly "question".
Here's for a real question:
There is a big group of people on a field and they randomly get assigned hats, either blue or red ones. They can not see what colour hat they are wearing and they are not allowed to communicate in any way with the others. No gestures, no pointing, no nothing. How can they devide so that all of the red ones are on one side of the field and the blues are on the other side?
I love logic problems, however I feel with this one that I am not getting enough information to determine the answer.
It could be either that you accidently left out information, or that the answer is so simple that my brain has over looked it by looking for a more complex answer. (example: http://www.95suited.com/per.wm lol)
I am curious to see the answer.
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hmm can they react like moving away?
Lets say I saw 3-4 persons close together with red hat, and I try to come close, they see me coming and they move away. I guess it means I have a blue hat, so I go to another small group with the same color as my hat and they welcome me without moving away.
Not a bad idea, but I'd call that non-verbal communication. Also, how would the people know that they aren't wearing the same coloured hat as you without communicating with each other?
Is this really possible to work out? I've been puzzling over it for a bit and from what I can tell, you would eventually have to figure out the colour of your own hat to join the right group, which would involve some sort of communication with other people and hence be impossible. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
I'm perplexed. Unless of course there are an equal number of blues and reds and you can just count to determine which you are, but that seems too easy...
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Here's for a real question:
There is a big group of people on a field and they randomly get assigned hats, either blue or red ones. They can not see what colour hat they are wearing and they are not allowed to communicate in any way with the others. No gestures, no pointing, no nothing. How can they devide so that all of the red ones are on one side of the field and the blues are on the other side?
I've heard this one, but in a different format. However, I see it as a way for a person to easily cop out with an answer to a defenseless question: "people" is plural for "person"; which means one could simply answer, "well there are only 2 people in the field...and they're really big...each go their own separate ways...the question didn't clarify number of people in the field, just 'big group' , which isn't clear enough as to exactly how many, odd or even..." This answer isn't necessarily wrong, but the question actually has it's "special" answer, so my bull-shat response, isn't necessarily this question's sought after answer.
May need specific numbers to make this truly a "red-hat, blue-hat" brain teaser...
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There is a big group of people on a field and they randomly get assigned hats, either blue or red ones. They can not see what colour hat they are wearing and they are not allowed to communicate in any way with the others. No gestures, no pointing, no nothing. How can they devide so that all of the red ones are on one side of the field and the blues are on the other side?
Hmm... well, there's a cluster of people. One man leaves it and is going to stand outside. Another follows him and stands next to him. Now there are three possible positions. Both have blue hats, both have red hats or they have different hats. If both have the same color, the man goes left or right to them. If the colors are different, the man stands between them. Every man follows this rule now. It's easy because he can see which color the others have but don't need to know his own hut color. This behavior leads to a row in which blue and red hut's are separated.
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someone chops all their heads off and sorts them accordingly :crazy:
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They are not allowed to do that either. No looking at their own hats. This also is NOT a trick question, there is a logical solution to this.
Everyone pushes everyone else to one side according to their color of hat? No communication nor looking at one's own hat required.
amirite?
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There is a big group of people on a field and they randomly get assigned hats, either blue or red ones. They can not see what colour hat they are wearing and they are not allowed to communicate in any way with the others. No gestures, no pointing, no nothing. How can they devide so that all of the red ones are on one side of the field and the blues are on the other side?
Hmm... well, there's a cluster of people. One man leaves it and is going to stand outside. Another follows him and stands next to him. Now there are three possible positions. Both have blue hats, both have red hats or they have different hats. If both have the same color, the man goes left or right to them. If the colors are different, the man stands between them. Every man follows this rule now. It's easy because he can see which color the others have but don't need to know his own hut color. This behavior leads to a row in which blue and red hut's are separated.
99% there :D
Frychicko: No, that is nonverbal communication.
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99% there
Hmm, tricky. You mean they have to seperate themself into two disconnected groups? Well, except from the last man, everybody knows his own hut color. It's determined by looking left and right and if you are surrounded by one color, then you have the same color. If you have just one neighbor, then your color is the same as your neighbor. The second last which joined the row is special: He's between a red and a blue, but does not know what he is. If the very last one is standing between him and the red, he's blue. If he's standing between him and the blue, he's red.
That the very last man can find out what color he has, one have to leave the row and apply the aforementioned technique (stand between red/blue). Now the last man knows what color he has (technique from second last). Now one goes to one side of the field. Since everybody knows its own hut color, either they goes to the one side or to the other... should work that way :hehe:
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Rosse wins a muffin.
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Wow.. my head is going to explode, I can't even comprehend that answer.. is there a diagram/picture anywhere?
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It's really simple actually.
Once you have 2 guys there standing next to each other they are one of these 3 possibilities.
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After this the next guy just either stands next to them (in case the first 2 are the same colour)
Or he goes into the middle between them (in the case they are different.)
This will always have the blues and reds seperated at one point, the only person not knowing their colours being those at the exact middle.
As soon as you have a blue or red guy both right and left next to you you know your colour.
And that is used in the very end to do the final seperation, as Rosse said.
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Thanks for the muffin ptoing.
I did a small explanation diagram, very fast so please forgive my sloppy handwriting:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/markusrosse/junk/hut_riddle.png)
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That was a nice puzzle.
I remember having enjoyed Betrayal at Krondor's classic puzzles that had a one-word solution you had to type in in order to open treasure chests.
Like these, from BaK:
1. A barrel of rainwater weighs twenty pounds. What must you add to make it weigh fifteen?
2. Buckets, barrels, baskets, cans; What must you fill with empty hands?
3. The one who made it, didn't want it. The one who bought it, didn't need it. The one who used it, never saw it.
Answers, written in l33t and backwards:
1:531oh 2:53vo1g 3: n10fFoc
When I played the game I still didn't have access to Internet, so it was much more fun to try to figure them out without the temptation to print out a walkthrough from the web.
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You know, I always wondered why no RPG I've played has put locks on chests. You have all these treasure chests lying around, and anybody can walk right up and take what's inside.
Isn't the point of burying/hiding treasure to store it for later?
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You know, I always wondered why no RPG I've played has put locks on chests. You have all these treasure chests lying around, and anybody can walk right up and take what's inside.
Isn't the point of burying/hiding treasure to store it for later?
The people leaving chests lying around must be the same people who keep on making sure all the torches in dungeons are constantly burning and who oil the engines of thousand year old secret passage mechanisms so that they'll open smoothly when you insert the rubies in the eye sockets of a statue. The barrel makers in turn usually do a very bad job with the barrels that can be hacked into pieces instantly. I've not actually tried to turn a metal rimmed wooden barrel into splinters with a sword, but I'd imagine it takes some doing. Barrels, of course, are a natural place to store coins, daggers and chunks of meat.
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Also all kinds of animals carry coins with them, such as bats, spiders, rats and whatnot. Who cares as long as the game works? (Not a huge fan or RPGs myself tho)
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What makes me wonder more is that this Super Blade of Awesomeness +2 that the Giant Ogre Boss(tm) uses against me vanishes after I give the final blow to it. Not that I play such games, but it's funny that you find from the corpse some dead rat meat and maybe a wooden club but not that huge weapon the boss used or even his armor and whatnot :)
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What makes me wonder more is that this Super Blade of Awesomeness +2 that the Giant Ogre Boss(tm) uses against me vanishes after I give the final blow to it. Not that I play such games, but it's funny that you find from the corpse some dead rat meat and maybe a wooden club but not that huge weapon the boss used or even his armor and whatnot :)
It got destroyed when you SMASHED IT WITH YOUR MAUL OF BASHING +8 during the battle.
Duh.
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1. I hate rpgs...
2. Your answer to the trick question still leaves too many holes to the way the question was worded, Ptoing(ie, no numbers, and the question not mentioning people were in a line, which is a PIVOTAL hint in the red hat, blue hat teaser). If I remember correctly, they weren't allowed ANY sort of communication, so even if one person in the field knew the answer, how would one person magically make the others get in a line to resolve the issue? Again, question needs rewording...
Just got done reading Batman: The Dark Night Returns: Not a fan. Don't really get how this became so highly regarded back then. Wasn't too much a fan of the unfinished style drawn in the book. The story itself didn't draw me in. The 'Robin' girl coulda' been handled MUCH better to fit with the dark story. I woulda' kept her a normal girl, in normal clothes, rather, that wasn't wearing the strange robin suit the whole time. Then, in the panels, it might have been best to have shown a beaten and delirious Batman making himself believe she was Robin, with some, but not all, panels of her dressed in the robin suit, as more and more blood loss continued. But I guess this was the 80's, and fashion back then wasn't aware of how ridiculous it made itself look, especially that of comic book characters.
Also, I understand the whole concept of how Miller was trying to make Bruce Wayne more human than superhero with his flawed nature, and mid-life crisis of boredom and restlessness. But the villains and their motives in the book obviously suffer due to this, as they have to take a back seat to the "atmosphere", rather than their own plot; 2-Face met his end fairly quickly; The Joker story line was horrible, much less ridiculous...plus the way he was drawn seemed "queer" in ALL senses of the word. The designs of the Mutants weren't too great either.
The only interesting part of the whole story, at least for me, was when Superman made his entrance. His character seemed he'd give a much more darker story than that of Batman, as he's pretty much unstoppable, but has the problem of being seen as an unstoppable "god", so his conflictions would seem much more interesting to follow, as right and wrong can easily be decided by an action of his, but problem lays as to whom he should punish or save within the BIGGER picture of things. Much like that of Dr. Manhattan.
Also read V for Vendetta. It's written in a British setting, so the mannerism, and speech lingo confused me a bit. Evey seemed so annoying, as a character as well. Damn near the beginning of the book, V is introduced, without much ado to building up a good scene with the fingermen's attempted capture of Evey. After that, things move a bit too quickly for me. The main characters themselves aren't drawn to a point where they are distinguishable from one another, which is something that kept confusing me throughout the book(though Moore admits this fault as well, so I guess I wasn't alone...). V also dies abruptly, thus making the whole point of his "vendetta" seem kinda' vague, and more so a big let down. Not to mention his actions seemingly placed England in more Chaos than good, but then again, maybe Evey's helm of the 'V' character towards the end, leads the reader to believe she will be the one to finish fixing it, as V kept hinting throughout the book.
Good thing is I like the art of the book and panels. Thick, dark, inked lines which resemble those of some newspaper comics. Not to mention the trippy colors, and use of yellows and pinks in such a dark story; I found that kinda' funny. Speaking of dark, the Rosemary and Derek characters were a good read for moment, and her continuing efforts after he died were pretty dark as well.
And I may take some heat for this, but I can see how the Wachowski's would have found it difficult to work this particular story into a movie: wouldn't have made much sense to most people, and probably contracted more hate, than praise...not the mention the movie wouldn't have been that great. However, if it were to have been worked out as a television series, then maybe it would have worked for a bit.
The superhero themed stuff, I guess, just isn't for me. I've ordered The Maxx, and Four Women, and hope to have a good read. I think after that, I'll check out the book, Moby Dick, after purchasing a cd of "Ahab"s, a doom metal band, I'm a bit interested in the character, and his relationship toward the Giant whale, as I've noticed a character in a working story of mine may have some similarities with him....seriously, one day I WILL stop being lazy and type up a proper story...
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Ha! I get it now, so simple.... thanks Ptoing and Rosse for your diagrams!
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Wouldn't it also work if someone were to simply flee from a red-hatted fellow? The others would see the one guy fleeing and everyone would run from the red-hatted dudes. When the red-hats start running with the red-hats they'll run from each other and then be like - wait, if he's running from me that means I must have a red hat. Then the blue dudes wouldn't run from other blue dudes and eventually end up in a group. If a red-hat approached a group of blues, they'd all run away, indicating to the red-hat that they were, in fact, a red-hat. Eventually, from the running aways and the not-running aways, everyone would have a sense of what hat they were wearing, and group themselves accordingly.
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I thought you guys might like to know that I've got a work-around for the Firefox 3 blurring issue.
There's an addon for Firefox called IEtab: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419
Install that and in it's options add this site and whatever other sites into it's list of pages.
This will make all of the listed sites open by default via IEtab, and the blurring issue does not happen. it's basically opening the sites via IE's engine, but inside of Firefox.
Hope that helps some of the Firefox 3 users out there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbL7wpM6JR0
a shameless plug that will appeal to your current emotions. ;D
or maybe this should go in off topic creativity thread, i don't even know there's so many boards these days... remember back in the day when there was just two and things was just simple as could be and everybody was happy?
also, is anybody else wasting contributing their internet hours to the seductive img boards and chans? i'll vote that for my main reason of not being on pixelation very much lately.
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http://asides-bsides.blogspot.com/
PRIVACY DEVASTATION POST
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Haha, FIGHT THE FEAR!
Judging by the item on your chair I conclude you read The Guide. :D
EDIT: Just read it. Very fun and interesting read. I will come visit you in the hospital when you get your back surgery.
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Towels always at hand, yes. Very very useful item. Always inv0 slot for me.
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http://asides-bsides.blogspot.com/
PRIVACY DEVASTATION POST
I just read Conan the Librarian.
It was mildly funny at first, and I was thinking how could he possibly make a really funny finalle for this story?
And then I fell of my chair laughing.
I will now read the rest.
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:)
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I read them all now, very enjoyable stuff!
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;D
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(if you actually clicked there for real, I applaud your instincts!)
Awww.. bastard.. I clicked :)
Good post. I haven't read the other posts yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I wonder where your cintiq (12wx I guess?) may be.
Btw: You really are a spartiate. Sitting at a deadly uncomfortable chair, having a war-helmet and weapons scattered around.. I mean, you even use a screwdriver to make comics! What's coming next?
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I am from Pirgos, Ilia (http://www.holidaygreek.com/images/Greek%20map.gif), where the Olympic games were originally held in Greece. I live in Athens. I have almost as little as that movie 300 had to do with Sparta.
The cintiq is placed on top of my new PC, pictured a bit on the bottom right corner!
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Athens.. I've been there once, took a flight from Helsinki, stayed for a couple of days at Victor Hugo Hostel and then took a boat from Pireus to Haifa. All I remember is that Athens was big, dusty and noisy, the food tasted awesome and all the newspaper shops sold mostly porn magazines. I also had an Athenian friend at the uni, Alkistis, I helped to script her a story for a short movie. Never saw the final product though...
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Your recollection of Athens is almost archetypal. I hope you made passionate love to Alkisti.
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helm i dont know if this is due to substance but your avatar kitten friend is scarey.
university soon, suddenly the world seems to be changing a lot and i wonder where im gonna end up, hopefully starting to push more pixels here and there....
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It could be either that you accidently left out information, or that the answer is so simple that my brain has over looked it by looking for a more complex answer. (example: http://www.95suited.com/per.wm lol)
I am curious to see the answer.
K, I know this was posted yesterday, but holy shit... my mind was blown. You must watch this video.
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Kitty is not scary. Don't take substances. Enjoy university.
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university soon, suddenly the world seems to be changing a lot and i wonder where im gonna end up, hopefully starting to push more pixels here and there....
Yeah, same.
I've really gotta get used to the local public transit system over the next few days. I've only ever taken a city bus twice before, and soon I'll have to take them twice every day (since I'm commuting to Uni from home). Plus, my Thursday schedule seems uncomfortable. Two hours of chemistry. Break for lunch. Then six straight hours of maths and sciences.
Oh well. I'm sure it'll be fun when I get over those two things. Or at least interesting.
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Sorry about the bad sparta joke helm, didn't want to insult you :-[
About comics. It's very interesting how my perception of comics changed in the last, not very long, time. When I grow up (in Switzerland, born 1986), all comics I knew were Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. I had never seen a Marvel or DC comic (I got the feeling that muslemans were taboo) or something serious or hilarous as (sometimes) your comics I read lately. To be honest, I didn't even know of the existence of such, or even more embarrassing, superheroes as X-men, Spiderman. All I knew were Superman and Batman, but just because of the movies and not the comics (or books? do not even know today :-[ ). This stuff slightly changed when I got the internet and try to find out how to get a artist. And even today I never read such a comic. Sometimes I read (mostly) cheap short comics on the internet or newspaper, but that's it. My first deep fascination about comics come from Winsor McCay (not even a year ago!). I bought a book where all his "little nemo in slumberland" and "in the land of wonderful dreams" comics are. Later I choosed a course about comics in my 1-year school-of-art (Maybe I post the result in the art-off-topic-thread). That's nearly everything I can tell about my comic experience.
Now reading your comics is pretty inspiring and refreshing (particularly the later ones). Such things give a special feeling deep in my self and I have no Idea what that means or where this will lead to. But I will continue reading your comics and your explanations with huge interests.
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Don't worry, I am not easily offended. You'd have to work at it and you'd have to mean it, can't really happen by accident :hehe:
The situation you describe with Disney comics and then nothing - no superheroes - are something of the norm in most European countries. There is a stigma associated with superheroes in almost all societies were progressive or liberal (and largely anti-American at the time for obvious reasons) movements have had a enduring effect in the culture. The concept of the superhero is a crass one, a supercharged and overshallowed 'American dream' where sexual repression and other psychological illnesses urge hyperbolic muscles to hide themselves behind tights of bright colors and then suffer each other on issue after issue after issue... really, for all the good people like Moore have done in the medium, it is degenerate and artistically dubious at best. Any nation which has been geopolitically repressed by the world bully that the US has been masquerading as for the last 50 years would find it natural to try to repress the cultural dregs of the American society like superhero funnybooks from entering and saturating the local culture.
You're not missing out on never having read the X-men, when you've read Winsor McCay. Amazing artist of a gentler time, he pushed the medium every which way before his contemporaries even got their bearings on what this 'comic' thing can do. I also got Nemo in Slumberland 2 years ago or so and I flip through it once in a while. I like how he apparently got bored with doing simple comics so he started messing with the medium. And messing and messing and messing until he came out the other side. Every story he did has a point, it's never just empty 'look what I can do'. I admire that endlessly.
I do suggest you post your comics in the OTCreativity, I'd be happy to read them.
Your comments about my older work warm my heart, although I am very ashamed to see it mentioned in the same breath as with the likes of McCay. This doesn't change that I am very glad to have affected you positively in any way, though.
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Helm, where did you find Nemo in Slumberland? The notion of owning that has slipped my mind for quite some time, but I've always been very interested in that comic and have only seen snippets from old newspapers online here and there. I know it's a pretty old comic, does that make it relatively rare and expensive?
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Little nemo's adventures aren't a sole comic. It's always a one-page story (always ends in waking up) which appeared weekly in sunday-issues from various newspapers from 1905 to 1914. Getting a original one is pretty unlikely. But there's a book called Winsor McCay, "Little Nemo, 1905-1914". In that one there are all comics which were published in that time period (weekly). It's pretty massive (around 430pages). I have the german edition but this one should be the same (english). Definitely a must buy!
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Nemo-1905-1914-Winsor-McCay/dp/3822863009/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220370504&sr=8-2
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Yes that's what I have, only in english.
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So I downloaded Google Chrome (http://www.google.com/chrome/index.html?hl=en&brand=CHMI&utm_source=en-et&utm_medium=et&utm_campaign=en)'s beta release today.
A lot of features I love, a few things I don't like. Severe lack of options and customization... though it's still beta. I hope they fix that.
Sadly, it seems to use the same bilinear filtering FireFox3 uses on zoomed images :(
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Have you guys seen the comic introduction to Google Chrome by Scott McCloud (http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/#)?
Pretty neat.
I get the feeling Chrome will be my browser of choice once it's finished and lots of customization can be done.
On an unrelated note, I got my drivers license today, no idea why I've been putting it off for so long.
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If your itching to get your hands on Megaman 9, then this should hold you over for a little.
Japanese fanboys have recreated SNES Rockman 7 completely in 8-bit form. The graphics, music, and engine are all almost perfect rendition of the NES Rockman games. This a freeware PC game for Windows. Remember this game is in Japanese, but there is only a tiny bit of dialog anyway. It shouldn't bother anyone.
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/1.gif) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/8.gif) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/5.gif)
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/2.gif) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/3.gif) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/GameDragon/6.gif)
Megaman/Rockman is one of my favorite series (Obviously only the platform genre ones), its awesome to see this game in old school style. Honestly, I like this one a bit better than the original SNES. The 8-Bit graphics just have some kind of charm to them.
Download Here (http://"http://www7.atwiki.jp/wakuwakusuru/pub/final2.zip")
Remember guys, Megaman 9 is to be released this month. Show your support!
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Chrome is really fast.
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Chrome is pretty speedy, but watch out for Google's EULA!
Initially, by installing Chrome, the user pretty much gave Google permission to use anything that the user posted anywhere.
Google then said "Oops!" and things may be okay now (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html)?
In addition to that,
Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.
Having a browser do this is kind of creepy any way you look at it.
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Chrome is pretty speedy, but watch out for Google's EULA!
Initially, by installing Chrome, the user pretty much gave Google permission to use anything that the user posted anywhere.
Google then said "Oops!" and things may be okay now (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html)?
In addition to that,
Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.
Having a browser do this is kind of creepy any way you look at it.
And people say Obama is the Anti-Christ! Google has more power than he ever will.
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Back on the lost strain of pixelation being noticed by the interwebs, saw ye olde bioshock image on a website my instructor was rifling through for reference and recognised it well enough to find it back later.
http://www.geekologie.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=pixelation&IncludeBlogs=1&IncludeBlogs=1
I'm kinda scared, really. Always considered Pixelation a back-of-the-woods underground hideaway oasiscabin.
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Well that is the same thing that was posted on BoingBoing. The internet is of a shortlived and fast viral nature. Any news posted on a site like BoingBoing will spread like a forestfire.
Just as an example of what this did: In August we had 130k visitors half of which happened between the 27th and 29th. The normal average per month lies around 50k.
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http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=4265.0
petition to make FAQ get an avatar
signatures: 1
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Since "FAQ" is not a member anymore, getting an avatar for it would be useless.
Mainly because we wouldn't be able to access the profile to add it.
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Snake's Revenge
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Yeh, i accidentally deleted the FAQ member, but that would be fixable easily enough.
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Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.
Having a browser do this is kind of creepy any way you look at it.
you can disable it
I'm not that spoiled where I get all fussy about zoom, but I am patiently waiting for someone who's knowledgeable about this stuff to take the source and use nearest neighbor for zooming instead. ;)
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took a flight from Helsinki,
Aw nuts I never figured you for a fellow Finn! :-[ :)
PS love your deviations.
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Aw nuts I never figured you for a fellow Finn! :-[ :)
PS love your deviations.
Thanks.
There are at least five Finns here that I know of: you, me, ter-o, huzba and SirSami.
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And Evil-Ville?
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Anyone here live in Sydney, Australia?
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I'm from Sydney, but live in London now. Will probably go back to Sydney eventually.
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I think I need to relearn how to draw, from like, scratch ???
Like, I'm good with forms and color, but I cannot seem to uhh... construct anything. Like arting for me consists mostly of making a bunch of random shapes and if it looks relatively right then I work on it more.
What do I do? :(
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draw from life?
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I suck at that, I always get the perspective and proportion's wrong. :-[
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXTF0qvQ_u4 this one has strangely Cyclone-ish colors it O_o PLEASE PAY NO ATTENTION TO SEAN'S WORDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmnCJ9RFMqw This is just FUN if you have ever played megaman3....I'll onlly this is NOT the one that goes "I am megaman" over the title song...much more fun than that =)
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I suck at that, I always get the perspective and proportion's wrong. :-[
That's why you draw from life.
Not because you are good, but to get good.
Learn from your mistakes, and all that jazz.
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yeah, every now and then I realize my drawing skill has significantly dropped so I start drawing from life for a few hours and it gets back in shape for a day or two. working on small scale sprites may improve my overall understanding of form and light, but it seems to reduce the quality of my freehand drawing
Practice!
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I found this interesting and enjoyable:
http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77 (http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77)
It's a hue test, to see how accurately your eyes perceive colour.
Lower score is better, my result was a ZERO. Hooray! ;D
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I got a score of 3. I am happy with it, I was afraid I'd get something ridiculous like 235.
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I tried it when it was posted on the Polycount forums and got a 4. I came to the conclusion that it's probably dependent on both the user and his monitor in equal amounts. Interestingly enough, almost everyone who tried it there and didn't get perfect had missed in almost the exact same area as me. A group of four colors in the teal-to-blue area. Some people also missed some in the reddish-orange part, also, but the majority of all misses were in blue-teal. I wonder why that is.
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16 :crazy:
I blame my colour blind eyes
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I got four. I did it pretty hasty and have bad vision, so I blame it on that.
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Sweet
0.
:)
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Some people also missed some in the reddish-orange part, also, but the majority of all misses were in blue-teal. I wonder why that is.
I think this is because it seemed to me as if the blue-teal difference was lower than that of the others. I found that one the hardest, but i actually got some wrong in the red-orange one. I got a 4! :o But my monitor is kinda bad, my eyes hurt afterwards. :n:
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Your score: 109
:x
That third bar down was impossible! I could hardly tell one block from the other except for about five of them.
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I also got a 4. Don't think it's a monitor difference, now, more so than it is us just having a general/average color differentiation. Maybe that teal blue-ish isn't easily recognizable by most people, and certain genetics have the special rods or cones to see 'em. I don't know, just shootin' from the hip here...
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i got 16 :(
franz ferdinand announced that they will play in my city, woo hoo!
too bad i probably can't afford it :(
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I got 4, and the test made me feel dizzy afterwards.
And I missed in the teal/blue part aswell :X
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I got 3 too. At first I thought that I'll get also something like 235 but no. Yay! :D
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25.. that's.. ok..
:'(
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Awesome link, got 0 was pretty fun to do.
With only a few months left I'm wondering if there's going to be a Pixelator '08? I didn't participate last year and I don't think i have the time/dedication to do so again this year but it was really fun to watch and learn from.
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I got 8 when my brother showed me this a while ago. I might try it again and see if I can do better.
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I got a zero, I was thinking I'd get something wrong because my vision isn't too good, but I guess it doesn't affect color.
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Took it and got a 3, not bad I guess
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franz ferdinand announced that they will play in my city, woo hoo!
too bad i probably can't afford it :(
Don't be too bummed, they sounded like a bunch of drunk Scotsmen when they were on Austin City Limits a couple years ago. I think they're albums are mostly studio-editting.
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No more wisdom teeth, my face is still all numb
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franz ferdinand announced that they will play in my city, woo hoo!
too bad i probably can't afford it :(
Don't be too bummed, they sounded like a bunch of drunk Scotsmen when they were on Austin City Limits a couple years ago. I think they're albums are mostly studio-editting.
Even in studio albums they sound like they're almost shouting. it gets on my nerves sometimes.
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yeah i know... but i always wanted to see them live, even though i'm not a big fan of their music ;)
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even though i'm not a big fan of their music ;)
I find that very odd. :-\
Anyone here enjoying Spore? I just ordered it :)
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Anyone here enjoying Spore? I just ordered it :)
I've had the CreatureCreator for while,buying the game tomorrow ;D
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Ooh I am, just got to Civilization-stage, after that only the Space-stage left.. Not the deepest game there is but creating is fun.
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My brother bought it a few days ago, and I've played a little bit. The best part is when you just get up on land and have to kill lots of species. Just running around and fighting (and making futile attempts at getting allies).
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So they're firing up the Hadron Collider today.
If it causes a black hole or opens a portal to an alternate dimension and unleashes an apocalyptic demon army...
I just want you guys to know that I love you all.
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I don't think anything will happen until late october (26th or something), that's when the black hole will appear. Btw in a newspaper I read yesterday they had misspelled it so it said "LHC: Large hardon collider" ...
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i know that american gamers have sent a package containing a crowbar, headcrab plushie and hal-life game guide to CERN
they have also added a note with something like 'give it to Gordon. he'll know what to do' :]
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Anyone know how to show the your current palette in Photoshop 6.0? I've looked through everything and can't seem to find it.
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ilkke used to use PS6 for quite a long time, perhaps you could write him a pm as he does not come here too often. When I see him online I will ask him. But who knows. It's possible that it's not possible in PS6, what with being ancient more or less.
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Image -> Mode. Then third from the bottom. :)
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My mistake! Found it, and thanks!
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I've just been Rickrolled.
And it was the most epic Rickroll ever.
http://antispore.com/
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I should have bet some money on that thing... it took me about 15 seconds to figure out it was a joke when I first saw it.
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Not really surprised at all, but hopefully it kept a few disgruntled creationists from creating similar sites for realzies.
It's probably been done before here, but favourite movie, guys?
I think I'd go with good old Shawshank Redemption, for the sheer fact I've seen it over a dozen times and it's always been entertaining.
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Kung Fu Hustle. ;D
I was looking for a pic of it but I got a 404 but that girl is still postworthy haha.
http://www.sestaluna.com/wordpress/images/chowhustle.jpg (http://www.sestaluna.com/wordpress/images/chowhustle.jpg)
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i think fight club, it's different each time you watch it
shawshank redemption, a perfect mix of pretty normal story, roles and scenography
all tarantino movies (except for jackie brown which was extremely boring) for their general awesomeness and many references to b-movies and similar stuff
children of men, for a great vision of near-future england, Caine smoking weed and really good music
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Fight Club was really cool. And the Shawshank Redemption is also freaking awesome.
Though maybe less good, I still find the Green Mile an extremely touching movie. And it was the only movie ever to get me crying like a baby.
Though probably no one will agree with me here, I Robot is actually one of my favourite movies. I always find it underrated. Of course it's an old story.
But the mix of nice action and some good old Will Smith humor made me enjoy this movie alot. "ACHOOO!!" "Are you alright Detective Spooner?" "Oh I'm sorry but I'm allergic to bullshit."
I also love the Matrix, but I dislike it's sequals. Alot.
I really enjoyed the latest Bond movie aswell, Casino Royale. Wall-E was very cool, and so where the good old Incredibles. Both really enjoyable movies.
I also love those old alien movies. Alien, Aliens and The Thing (The 1980 version, not the 1950's thing from another planet)
I actually liked Iron Man more then the Dark Knight. And it's also one of my favourite movies now. I love that humorous action packed hero movie.
And some others I don't wanna leave out: Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Sin City, Tekkonkinkreet, Vampire Hunter D : Bloodlust, V for Vendetta, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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No Country for Old Men- It was great, but then again, I like the Cohen's stuff, and am fixing to see "Burn after reading" in day or two. Anton Chagur's pathos and actions made it perfect for the film, as it made him seem like a ghost, much in the way of an old myth. Truly bad ass.
There Will be Blood- I like Daniel Day-Lewis, cool actor. I think he was great in this film, and with some memorable quotes to boot: " DRAAAINAGE!!"..."I've got a competition in me."..."I'm FINISHED!"
The Dark Knight- Good film, nice refresher to add some darkness to the light comic book world in the movies right now. Bale seems overated, though, as his part in this movie doesn't seem to spotlight much. Like dry white bread, his acting didn't do much for me. Though Heath did a hell of a job with his role. Wonder if the 3rd movie in the Batman Nolanverse will bomb like every other trilogy ever made.
Schindler's List- Effin' wonderful movie. Liam Nielson does a great job as that type of rich ignorant man, who is placed down to earth after opening his eyes. Heartwarming, and wrenching at the same time.
Taxi Driver: I love De Niro's character in this movie. Just a guy who doesn't get it, and becomes a hero in the end for basic vigilantism...heh, very abrupt, I like it.
Adaptation: Nic Cage tends to make a LOT of fluff films, but he's definitely capable of choosing some good ones: Weather Man, Lord of War...But this movie, probably being one of my all time fav' movies. I loved it.
Wall-E- was Terrific. If given the chance, I'd work as an animator for Pixar...but nay, my computer hi res art is in the WEAK SAUCE point of my life. Still learning...one of these days, though...
Iron Man- Was a very fun movie. I hope Marvel sticks with this type of deal, rather than change most upbeat superhero movies, and turn them into dark, downer films to compete with Dark Knight's money winning formula. I can see a Deadpool film, but only done in a jazzy and sarcastic tone, like the movie "American Splendor" where he communicates with the audience in thought bubbles, about his current situation...it could work.
Children of Men- Another one of my All time favs. Clive Owen rocks, and plot is great.
Bladerunner- I'm not a sci-fi geek, but this film has some likeability to it, for some reason.
Alien- Great movie. Was well made for it's time.
The Proposition(2006)- Movie about brothers, I loved the dusty Australian feel of it. Made the emotional atmosphere of the film easy to see.
B-movie classics:
Berry Gordy's The Last Dragon: "Leroy!! Who's the mastah!"..."Sho-nuff"..nuff said, hah.
Killer Klowns from Outer Space:...seriously, I used to love this movie as a kid. So much cheese in a film can be bad for you, but just can't help but love it.
The Blob(1988)- I loved this horror movie, but it doesn't seem to be recognized that often. Oh well...
About a billion others, but those are just some off the top of my head... :)
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Schindler's List- Effin' wonderful movie. Liam Nielson does a great job as that type of rich ignorant man, who is placed down to earth after opening his eyes. Heartwarming, and wrenching at the same time.
I dunno what everyone (or many people) have with Schindler's List. It's not a bad movie, but I found it way too American (if that makes sense).
There are way better movies about WW2, such as Die Fälscher (The Counterfeiters), Stalingrad or Grave of the Fireflies.
Maybe it's just me, but all those had WAY more emotional impact on me than Schindler's List.
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oops, forgot about greatest movie ever - the big lebowski :D
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I only have a very limited and specific experience with Schindler's List... Sometime in seventh or eighth grade, I think it was, me and my class were forced to watch it. The teachers plopped us down in the otherwise empty movie theater, started the film and walked away. Some of my classmates gave up immediately and started messing around... I tried to stay focused, but it was halfway through a school day so I was already quite worn out. I think I made it about half an hour through before deciding to curl up under the seats and fall asleep.
I woke up in time to watch the last half hour or so, but I can't remember a single thing, other than having been stuck in there during a school day, forced to watch this old, stupidly long, monochrome movie none of us knew what it was even about and why we were supposed to be interested in it.
It was a really really good nap though.
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What's the word on the Firefox3 thing? is there a fix yet? I'd just like to know because a lot of the extensions I use finally have v3 versions but the zoom is still stupidly blurred...
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Not that I've heard of.
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It's probably been done before here, but favourite movie, guys?
I'd say these maybe
El Topo
La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc
Once Upon a Time in the West
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, Oldboy
I don't watch many movies though.
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hm, here's a few
Oldboy
Stalker
Children of Men
Rollerball
Blade Runner
The Lives of Others
The Sea In Me
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Some fave films of mine (leaving out stuff that has already been said (like Oldboy)
Memories of Matsuko
Crash
12 Angry Men
In Bruges
Little Miss Sunshine
Thank you for Smoking
The Life Aquatic
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Darjeeling Limited
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Everything by Satoshi Kon
Everything by Hayao Miyazaki
Everything by the Cohen Bros
there's more, but meh.
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On the hue test I got 4, all errors in the blue-teal/teal- area. |:
Favorite movies;
Snakes on a Plane, Army of Darkness, Ghost in the Shell, Stargate, Princess Mononoke, Little Miss Sunshine and various others that at the moment I honestly can't recall.
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oops, forgot about greatest movie ever - the big lebowski :D
Yeah, Polish-American slacker dudes rock! :) I have too many favorites to mention all of them, though if a guy with a shotgun were sitting next to me I'd quickly moan: Easy Rider, Pulp Fiction and Ghost in the Shell: Innocence. What about cartoon shows? Which one you like the most? I think Aeon Flux is my pick, those old MTV shorts; then Futurama.
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The Maxx for me, of course
others include: Rocko's Modern Life, Venture Brothers, South Park, Duck tales(awoo hoo!), Beast Wars, Ren & Stimpy, and Ninja Turtles...
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Woo hoo movies!
The Fifth Element: This is my all-time favorite and I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly why. To me it's just a perfect storm of fun sci fi escapism and impeccable art direction.
Mad Max 1 2 and 3: It has spawned countless imitations but Mad Max has yet to be beaten in the "awesome post-apocalyptic mayhem" genre.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: So far I have loved all of Michel Gondry's movies but this is still his best, and probably Jim Carrey's best movie too.
Back to the Future: These movies defined so much of my childhood it's not even funny. I remember as a kid every friend I had claimed to have a cousin who had a friend who owned a hoverboard. And I always believed them, because they HAD to exist, right?
Alien + Aliens: They've been mentioned a couple times already but these are both incredibly cool movies and they never get old.
Terminator 1 + 2: I have a special fondness for movies involving giant and/or killer robots, and the two Terminator movies that Cameron made are some of the best action movies of all time. Too bad the third one sucked.
Armies of Darkness: Bruce Campbell is legendary.
Jaws: C'mon, it's a classic! The principal actors all put in killer performances.
The Life Aquatic: Some people think this was one of Wes Anderson's weaker films but I love it; the bright colors, the stop-motion-animated creatures, the characters, everything about it.
Matchstick Men: Nicholas Cage is awesome. He is more awesome depending on how neurotic his character is, and how many times he just flips out at someone. In Matchstick Men he's completely insane, so mathematically speaking it is the best Nicholas Cage movie ever made.
Starship Troopers: All of Paul Verhoven's sci fi movies are awesome but Starship Troopers is probably my favorite. Nonstop ultra violent hilarity. I am still utterly perplexed as to how this movie managed to even get made.
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Here are some of my favourites:
Wall-E
Alien
The Game (Ridiculous, but there's just something that I like about it. Falling Down is also a good Michael Douglas movie)
The Matrix
Kung Fu Hustle
Casino Royale
Ironman (Although I still haven't seen The Dark Knight, so I can't compare the two)
V for Vendetta
Bruce Almighty (I have to admit that I really like most Jim Carrey comedies, and this is probably my favourite)
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
Usually I'm no good at making these lists and I only come up with the best ones after I've finished writing.
others include: Rocko's Modern Life, Venture Brothers, South Park, Duck tales(awoo hoo!), Beast Wars, Ren & Stimpy, and Ninja Turtles...
When I was younger, Duck Tales was easily my favourite show. Nothing else even came close.
...Now I've got the theme song stuck in my head again.
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hm, here's a few
Oldboy
Stalker
Children of Men
Rollerball
Blade Runner
The Lives of Others
The Sea In Me
I just hired Blade Runner yesterday, the Director's Cut.
I'll have to watch it again to fuly understand it all. One of the best movies I've seen, but also one of the weirdest.
One thing I want to know if I got it right: Deckard is a replicant himself ain't he?
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Go read the book Bladerunner is based on. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Phillip K. Dick.
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I have to try watching Blade Runner again. I saw it as a kid and I loved the visuals but the story to my young mind was incomprehensible and dull (at that age I would have preferred a stupid action movie... hey, I didn't know any better at the time)
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One thing I want to know if I got it right: Deckard is a replicant himself ain't he?
Opinions are divided. Even Ridley Scott would tell you that he is, whereas I think it invalidates parts of the film's point to think he is, so I go with that he isn't.
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Some fave films of mine (leaving out stuff that has already been said (like Oldboy)
Memories of Matsuko
Crash
12 Angry Men
In Bruges
Little Miss Sunshine
Thank you for Smoking
The Life Aquatic
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Darjeeling Limited
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Everything by Satoshi Kon
Everything by Hayao Miyazaki
Everything by the Cohen Bros
there's more, but meh.
Boy, every movie on here that I've seen is actually what I'd consider a favorite. I need to watch the rest! :-)
Also:
The Iron Giant
Paprika
and Spaceman
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Boy, every movie on here that I've seen is actually what I'd consider a favorite. I need to watch the rest! :-)
Also:
The Iron Giant
Paprika
and Spaceman
Paprika is awesome! Iron Giant was good too but I got tired of it when Cartoon Network played NON-STOP!
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For people interested in Sci fi, I saw this korean movie: natural city. I personally think blade runner looks cool but i don't like the story whereas this film is like blade runner with a fixed up story (its clear cut who's a replicant!). At least thats what I remember saying after i saw it - its been a while.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378428/
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The Blade Runner story cannot be 'fixed up' by being made blatant. Ambiguity is a strong theme in modernity, it's not supposed to be easy to swallow. You have to ponder on the ramifications of what is going on. It's a movie for repeated viewings at different times in your life. I'm sorry for the nagging but it really rubs me wrong to see you say Blade Runner needs a story fixup.
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Have you seen 'natural city'? The love story works. Bladerunner's love story doesn't.
Didn't Harrison Ford say that Blade runner was a detective story where he doesn't solve anything?
The whole "he is a replicant also" is fine for if they revealed it, like in the sixth sense.
I haven't seen both films recently so I would be interested to see if anyone agrees that natural city fixes the problems in Blade runner - memories are unreliable.
Lastly I don't mind ambiguity and open ended endings when its done well. Anyone see I tv series called 'press gang' - its british, about a bunch of students who write a newspaper. I'll talk about that to show ambiguity I like.
Anyway there are two students (boy and girl) who are opposites and they ought to get together but i don't think they ever do. Anyway one episode the girl is locked inside a bank vault. Her favourite number isn't 3 or 7 or something, its something huge like 129,483. Her mobile doesn't work properly and she is running out of air. Anyway she gets out because the code to unlock it is 129483. So she is good at getting out of scrapes. Also its a show that is serious (eg. drug taking, youth suicide) but funny sometimes also.
So here is the ambiguity - the last episode she goes to the house of this guy who committed suicide years ago ( in the first series) because she wouldn't let him on the newspaper. I think the boy's dad had died and bequethed something to her. For some reason she gets knocked out and the house starts to burn down with her inside. Then there is a scene where she talks to that guy in hell and he blames her for ruining his life and causing his suicide. The next seen there is the boy who ought to get together with her and is all depressed and sitting on the couch. He's heard the house has burnt down with her inside. Then she walks into the room looking healthy with only soot marks on her face. The guy says how much he loves her, she says she loves him. But then he says, "how do i know this isn't a dream. How do i know that it won't end after you kiss me". So she says "you'll have to kiss me and find out". And they go to kiss and then the series ends. Forever.
Did she die?. Did she survive?. Both alternatives fit. Both you want kinda. Its enjoyable thinking about it. The main thing is its a GOOD story which Blade runner isn't.
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I have not seen 'Natural City' but I will endeavor to.
The love story in Bladerunner is excellently handled.
It's very fitting given the theme of the movie that the main character acts largely impotent. He doesn't kill anything but women (shooting them in the back, also), he doesn't solve anything, he gets his ass kicked repeatedly and then the movie ends. I consideration of the themes of the movie will explain to you why these things are good things.
The main character being a replicant is idiotic imo (as it goes directly against the main themes of the film) and that this rumour is perpetuated by Ridley Scott himself for me is more a practical joke on his part than the truth.
A 'big reveal' in movies is usually a very bad 'selling point'. Sixth sense was dross, as any other film from that director. That we're even talking about how Bladerunner is a bad movie based on an example from the Sixth Sense is blowing my mind. Let's see... how can we make "The Fall" a better movie. In the last scene it turns out Hitler was a ROBOT ALL ALONG!!! This explains his lack of compassion!
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I've thought of an idea for blade runner done well so I'll draw a one page comic over the next couple of days, productively settle it. Someone told me the ending of the sixth sense before I saw it so i just assumed it was a good ending if noone told you.
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IMO a mark of a good ending (or story) is if it's satisfying whether it's spoiled or not.
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The whole "he is a replicant also" is fine for if they revealed it, like in the sixth sense.
Aren't you thinking of "The Sixth Day", with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Because that seems like it would be a better comparison.
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Nah he meant that they reveal that the guy played by Bruce Willis is a ghost. They could have made it so that he does not find out himself or something and just walks away at the end when the boy is fine. Tho then the character would have not had a catarsis and it would be a bit odd as the movie was as much about the boy as the ghost.
That he is a ghost tho could be logically deducted without seeing the scene that reveals it. I only seen 3 movies of that director. Unbreakable, Sixth Sense and Signs and I enjoyed them in that order. Unbreakable was good fun tho a bit predictable. Sixth Sense I found ok, not living up to the hype tho and Signs I found really, really stupid. The way everything was constructed in that movie with the whole losing faith thing and in the end everything that seemed to have fucked up the guys lives saves him, his kids and they managed to defeat the aliens. :0#
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I drew this with a mouse so don't expect great drawings, no need to crit 'em. But if you want to crit the story, dialog etc. go for it!
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e199/sharprm/omi1.gif
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e199/sharprm/omi2.gif
Still haven't watched Bladerunner ...
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sharprm, I don't know if you're serious but I have to tell you I cringed a lot reading your comic. This is a typical american 'badass action movie blockbuster of the summer' thing. You're free to have any kind of taste in movies you want, but your remimagining of Bladerunner made me want to hurl.
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I hate to say it but my angst-o-meter just shot through the roof reading that. It reads like a list of emotional triggers with just enough context to string them together. Personally I think if I were that guy who gives out the missions, I'd get someone much whimpier to carry them out, or better yet just do it myself. It doesn't seem like a very difficult job since replicants love to die, and when you hire tough people to do it, they thank you by punching you in the face and then whine about how much they hate their jobs when it's all over.
Sorry if I'm being harsh... I honestly really couldn't figure out if this was satire or not.
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sharprm: <3. you really ought to consider your lighting though. depth reallllly not there.
I honestly really couldn't figure out if this was satire or not.
since when is this a bad thing? ain't it good to have a degree of mystery sometimes?
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honestly, no. If it's satire, you should be able to tell. If it's not, you should be able to tell.
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No I was being serious! :'(
That's okay I like it though.
edit: Ben2theEdge - rereading your passage I'm not sure what you mean - wouldn't angst be good here? Why would replicants love to die? The get wimpier guys seems fair maybe i need to make the punching the doctor panel more violent.
Rydin - glad you like. I will redraw, make it better with more depth.
I'll make it a teenage girl that hes killing not a boy, that way itll be less gay and more believable that he doesn't like his job. Also, I'll make the girl still gasping for air in that last panel - it takes a long time to die if you get shot in the stomach (according to an episode of criminal intent). They have to be shot in the stomach so that the brain and computer can be analysed.
I'll also get rid of the snappy "buy me some flowers" so he seems less emotional. Have to make the barcode more obvious since its hard to tell in this shrunken version.
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out of curiosity, sharp, what are some of your favorite books or movies?
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Dutsy -
Some good Sci-fi ones would be "i robot", "xmen1" and "fantastic four: rise of the silver surfer".
There are tons of good films so long as they have a good story. Thats why i dont say xmen2,xmen3 or fantasticfour. They had shit story, even though its the same characters. I'm not saying I'm an expert on stories but i think its the most important thing. If you watch potc2 with the scenes ordered as the writers intended (ie. start with the black pearl) then suddenly something boring to begin with is interesting - the scene where jack talks to bootstrap becomes intense.
I also like some japanese films like:
Battle royale
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/
One about a samurai:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0359692/
Azumi
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384819/
Another one about a samurai:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.545268/qx/details.htm
All my comics are unashamedly marvel. :P And some "the phantom".
edit: oops you said books. Isaac Asimov. I tried to read most of his stories.
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You tried to read Asimov? And yet you liked "I robot" the movie? There's something very, very wrong here. I think I might study you.
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"Tried" as in he has written alot. Not "tried" in that I have difficulty reading as you imply! :mean:
The 'I robot' movie was great! I don't think i've read what the movie was based off though.
"There have always been ghosts in the machine.
When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul? "
And that scene when he fights the robot was very cool. What didn't you like about it? Was it because you like the book better?
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I didn't mean to imply you can't read, 'trying' just was a strange verb to use there.
The "I robot" movie was SHIT on all an every levels, an insult to any person that has ever loved Asimov's work, a huge turd on his grave laid down by Hollywood producers and mister Will Smith. I regret ever having seen it. I can't even begin to elaborate on this opinion, I never thought I'd have to. The scene where he fights the robot is 'pretty cool' as it perhaps also cool to feel one's own brain cells slowly turn into a putrid mush then swell and foam right through one's nose and ears, all sanity dissipating in the oozing froth that trickles from head to toe, frantically attempting an escape from the torture that is radiated from the screen. In the iridescent light travels that peculiar type of cancer, the Cancer of the Taste, immolating capacity for higher concept and aesthetic, leaving behind only the atavistic drives that cause one's bowels to sickly shift when something that looks like a person on the screen punches somebody, or perhaps, attempts a sarcastic one-liner. The sanguine humours rise with base villainy and petty heroics as the now brainmushed taste zombie feels deep in loins the stirrings of a vicarious experience, for what is his purpose if not to fuck, kill and dominate through phantasmal projections of characters that never truly were? It is truly cool, perhaps chilling, perhaps glacial.
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iRobot is crazy popular at my videostore :crazy:
I think the general love for will smith can mask any shortcomings a movie might have for most people.
...Except for Wild Wild West, everyone hates that movie
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Just out of curiosity, do you dislike the movie because of it was a disgrace to the book, or just dislike it as a stand-alone movie?
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Dusty I dislike the movie because it is indicative of an awful trend of books getting sodomised by Hollywood and I dislike it because even unrelated to that it was an exceedingly, offensively lowbrow take on a very potentially high-brow and interesting topic. For every one of these faux sci-fi movies that get made, 10 real sci-fi movies never do. It's everything I detest in mainstream cinema all rolled into one: fake sci-fi ? check. Based on a universally loved story by a real sci-fi author? check. Shallow plot acting as an excuse for dumb 'action scenes'? Check. Will Smith? Check. Product placement? Check.
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I could not agree with Helm more here. They should at least have had the decency to NOT call the movie "I, Robot", but something more fitting, like "Robot Rampage" or something. But as you might have guessed it is all about marketing and not content. I, Robot is a well known story so many people (who probably ended up being very dissapointed) went to see it expecting something more true to the book and not some mainstream, assembly line action movie.
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Many of the so called science fiction movies tend to have no science in them at all and even the fiction tends to be sacrificed to visuals and coolness elements. Same thing in games really. Any writer who wants to postulate an end of the universe doesn't have a slightest clue of how BIG the universe is. No one does, you'd need a Total Perspective Vortex in order to grasp it anyway. The destruction of the entire universe is something I allow only for Daleks, because they're camp enough to do it. I do enjoy fantasy and the occasional suspension of disbelief, but nitpicking is also fun. A hobby of mine, really.
One nasty thing big movie studios do is they buy loads of rights to books and stories and then just store them in their vault, never intending to do anything with them. They buy the rights just for the sake of owning them before any other studio gets them. The percentage of best seller book rights that have been bought and stored in a vault for eternity is something like 70-80 percent or higher. There are a lot of good stories around, but few of them ever get to the big screen and even when they do, well.. I haven't seen I Robot but this thread makes me want to see it. Especially in a company of a couple of extremely cynical geek friends. ;)
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Dusty I dislike the movie because it is indicative of an awful trend of books getting sodomised by Hollywood
Well, the story of the I Robot movie was a collection of scenes from a couple of Asimov-stories put into a generic story or so. The 0th-law, Susan Calvin, the Robot which hides between rows of other robots, etc. And I think it was not that bad for a Will Smith movie. And what would be a "real" Asimov movie? Maybe something close to "columbo"? As most of Asimov's book are build like a crime story... ;) Just my 2 cents...
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I was wondering that as well, sorta - what counts as a good 'real' science movie? I'm having trouble thinking of anything that really focusses on the ramifications of technology on people's lives - which is what I would consider pure scifi - rather than using it basically as an aesthetic or analogy. Nothing really springs to mind that's not fantasy-in-disguise or cookie cutter action.
Has me thinking of:
Back to the Future, which has fantasy mainly as a story device.
probably also The Time Machine, same reasoning. The novel has science content, but it's still a story device, rather than a technology that shapes culture or people's lives.
Planet of the Apes, which is a fantasy adventure.
Alien, which isn't terribly sciencey
Star Wars, all fantasy
Possible examples of more pure science fiction stories, that is, explorations of the ramifications of technology:
Bicentennial Man
A.I.
The Truman Show
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Next
The Matrix
1984
Value judgements aside, I'm talking basically in terms of story content.
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Anyone ever seen existenz?
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Contact is mostly pretty accurate because the astronomer Carl Sagan who wrote the original novel was on the set making sure the science is accurate as possible. It's one of my all time fave movies, not just in its own genre.
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According to the director, Back to the Future was never intended to be sci-fi - in fact the actual science is very cleverly dodged throughout the series. The second one was an attempt at "real" science fiction which was a fun experiment but as with all "serious" time travelling stories it creates plot holes that eat itself from the inside out.
Tocky, your list seems pretty accurate to me though I am no sci-fi scholar. I might add:
12 Monkeys (the psychological effects of time travel)
Dark City (similar themes to the Matrix but Dark City did it first)
Frankenstein (this one should be at the top of the list!)
Wall-E (only Pixar could make a "hard" science fiction film for children)
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Contact is good stuff, yes. Also Existenz is good fun too, but I found it quite confusing the first time I watched it.
Two other faves of mine are Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Abyss, which are both not overly sciency, but good "sci-fi" movies none the less.
Alien is more of a Horror-Thriller than sci-fi I think, but of course classic as well.
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I'm glad to finally see some love for Contact, I've only ever met people that hated it.
Mainly because of the ending, they all wanted to see big cg aliens/whatever
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Frankenstein (this one should be at the top of the list!)
Absolutely, yeah.
I don't mean to be down on movies don't fit in that bracket - I like fantasy, I even like mindless blockbuster action movies. I just got this thing about taxonomy.
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...Except for Wild Wild West, everyone hates that movie
WHAT
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I love Contact too and I hate Jodie Foster, really can'st stand her.
Here's some more hard sci-fi: Solaris (russian film), Stalker, Rollerball. A Scanner Darkly, Children of Men. I consider Alien to be hard sci fi too. For me sci-fi is a delicate and informed view into the human situation through the advent of technology.
And as far as I know, no proper Asimov movies have been made yet.
Really, Star Wars is to blame for a lot of the bad sci fi we've had to endure because for 20 years the genre was struggling to establish itself as something more than just spaceships and robots and lasers and then the trilogy came out and... there you go. Space princesses, lightsabers and stormtroopers.
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Really, Star Wars is to blame for a lot of the bad sci fi we've had to endure because for 20 years the genre was struggling to establish itself as something more than just spaceships and robots and lasers and then the trilogy came out and... there you go. Space princesses, lightsabers and stormtroopers.
Particularly the fact that Star Wars made bus-loads of money. True sci-fi is a niche, so it really needs a level of creative freedom that only independent film allows for right now, and unfortunately it's a widely held belief that sci-fi movies must have bloated budgets and be EPIC! I think Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is actually a perfect example of the potential sci-fi has if given freedom to move outside space ships and millions of computer generated aliens and tackle something more intimate.
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I agree. It's a great movie on many levels. Adapation is perhaps similar in effect, though not sci-fi.
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I've been watching some of the recommended films on this thread, good stuff.
Anyone seen Donnie Darko?
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Yeah, it's a very good film in my opinion.
also, sharprm, to satisfy my curiosity, would you mind telling me your age?
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Anyone seen Donnie Darko?
yes and it was pretty poor.
Jake Gyllenhaal has done much better movies since.
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Okay, need podcasts. Finding podcasts is hard, there's no real method to it. Google doesn't help, all the podcasts I've ever found and liked, I stumbled across accidentally, or at the recommendation of some guy I don't know on some forum somewhere, or seen mentioned off hand in a blog post I fell across by mistake, or some such thing. SO, what I'm asking: Post a list of all the podcasts you like or listen to. Don't hold back, post weird stuff that you're not even sure you like, and post your stuff even if it's already listed, so that it counts double. Post well know stuff like TWIT or 1UP Yours if you like, but what I'm hoping for really is that someone will post a bunch of weird crap I haven't heard of.
This is mine:
common sense, hardcore history
the jeff and casey show
maniacal rage
role playing public radio
smodcast
skeptic's guide to the universe
van hemlock's podcast
now defunct or on some kind of freaky hiatus but still good:
penny arcade's downloadable content
arsecast
webcomics weekly
radiolab
one life left
little gray book lectures
stuff that i used to like, but that I stopped listening to for some reason or another, but which is probably still good if you're into that kind of thing:
the sound of young america
this american life
fear the boot
Anyway. Anything is fine. Don't need descriptions, just titles.
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The only podcast i actually listen to is the Chris Moyles podcast, because it's easy to get and i just listen to it while washing the dishes sometimes. For some reason i don't find it as good as the actual show, even though it's meant to be the best bits, and i also think the show has gotten worse - in comparison to how much i remember liking it. But yeah, i still listen to it.
I find it really hard to listen to podcasts, i don't know the first thing about looking for them. I love the idea, but it seems so confusing, and then when i find some i think i might like they seem to dissapoint. :-X
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Helm I am 23. Have you seen "Idiocracy"? I think you'd like it. It's SCI-FI.
"Tek Jansen" is a pretty good podcast type thing. It's SCI-FI.
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Idiocracy was good, but it could have been great.
I did like the award winning movie that was a closeup of an ass for 90 minutes, pretty much the same as disaster movie, superhero movie, epic movie, etc movie
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Another classic Sci-Fi movie not to be forgotten is Soylent Green.
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Robocop. The first one. The other two don't exist.
Not scifi but recommended watching: "Das experiment" from the director of "Der Untergang"
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Robocop, Total Recall and Starship Troopers are all brilliant for their own reasons... Paul Verhoven is a master of satire.
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I can't stand any of the aforementioned movies. For some reason, the "sci-fi" stuff doesn't entertain me as much. I also, I should be slapping my forehead for not mentioning any of the Evil Dead movies...
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On the subject of sci-fi, I quite like the movie Primer, though it's kind of familiar time travel territory. I need to see more of these ones mentioned here, though. I just saw Contact for the first time on the Family Channel and needless to say I'm going to go lie down and stare at the ceiling for a bit.
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Hey guys, I'm back, whats new around this place?
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Make yourself an avatar. :mean:
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Welcome back Dogmeat! Also, during my week off, I went to go see a Metal show with The Human Abstract, 36 Crazy Fists, Trivium, and All That Remains headlining. Even though I'm not much of the metalcore or hardcore fanatic, the show was pretty damn awesome(though I felt Trivium performed the best).
Also, I didn't even know Manilla Road released a new album this year...that totally went under the radar. Anyone heard it, or think it's worth the buy?
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Yes. It's amazing.
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I've only heard a couple of tracks off of Crystal Logic, I've been intending to hear some more. Recommended albums, either of you?
EDIT: Actually, no, I've listened to the whole of Crystal Logic. This was a while ago so my memory is fuzzy.
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Crystal Logic, The Deluge, Mystification, Spiral Castle and the newest one, Voyager.
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So what are some games you people consider 'artistic'... that are worth playing for the artistic value, even if it's not a very good game. This doesn't have to be particularly graphics-wise, either.
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Welcome back Dogmeat! Also, during my week off, I went to go see a Metal show with The Human Abstract, 36 Crazy Fists, Trivium, and All That Remains headlining. Even though I'm not much of the metalcore or hardcore fanatic, the show was pretty damn awesome(though I felt Trivium performed the best).
All That remains are pretty good. Not amazingly fond of the other bands, though I feel The Human Abstract has amazing potential. The first 1:40 or so of 'Vela, Together We Await The Storm' is excellent. But unfortunately it all falls apart after that. ):
So what are some games you people consider 'artistic'... that are worth playing for the artistic value, even if it's not a very good game. This doesn't have to be particularly graphics-wise, either.
Personally?
Shadow of the Colossus.
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Shadow of the Colossus.
Heh, exactly my pick, along with ICO... though that's said so often that I think it's a given. There are a few other games that I think are pretty artistic, or at least give me that "wow, that's beautiful" feeling, in an artistic way... though they're pretty mainstream.
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though they're pretty mainstream.
what does that have to do with it? ???
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Meh, why list games I'm pretty sure everyone already knows about?
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huh, fair enough.
I think loom, klonoa, knytt, morrowind, half life 2, windwaker... i think i'm listing these mostly for aesthetic reasons, though.
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Sadly I don't think I dwelve enough outside of mainstream gaming, probably because I don't have the money to take chances of games that might be pretty shitty, so I tend to stick to games I know are good.
WW is one of those games I think is really beautiful. I could go around and just look at stuff just because it always paints a pretty picture. TP, while graphically amazing... really didn't do anything for me. I mean, it looked great, but nothing nothing seemed good enough for me to remember. It took the graphics of OoT and enhanced them, per say, but it didn't take the feeling OoT had. Places like the Forest Temple are things I never forget. I'm not complaining about TP graphics though, I guess it's just the presentation... it just seemed to lack something. Lots of style but no flair, I guess.
I think the Metroid Prime games do a better job of giving me the same feeling OoT did with the art than TP did.
Mario Galaxy also tickles me in a fancy way. While Super Mario 64 graphics were pretty nice... I dunno, they just seemed pretty standard compared to most cartoons. Something about the way Mario Galaxy designed the worlds, and the lighting and soft aura around everything... I found myself just looking around a lot at my surroundings and taking it in. This could just be because I have a fancy for space.
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I agree about twilight princess - it was beautiful in its way, but the sense of setting was just... missing. I was going to say that I can't really remember any of it - but that's not really true. I could probably draw you a map. But none of those places seem real for me, and I'm not sure why that is.
I never really got the same buzz that people get from mario galaxy, though. It's a perfectly servicable game, and I enjoyed it, but it doesn't really do it for me.
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I really didn't enjoy Twilight Princess at all, it just felt like the base of a Zelda game they didn't spend any time making unique/interesting.
Wind Waker is easily my favourite Zelda, and probably my favourite world within a game ever, love the sense of culture and life, perfect controls and fun areas to explore
I also loved Super Mario Sunshine's world regardless of the gripes people had against it, I think the atmosphere that comes with a strong presence of water does something for me...
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I also loved Super Mario Sunshine's world regardless of the gripes people had against it, I think the atmosphere that comes with a strong presence of water does something for me...
Sadly I've never played it. It's dirt cheap now but I never remember to pick it up when I go to the store.
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you might fancy a go at killer 7 or no more heroes
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Interestingly I was just talking about games people considered artistic today with some friends. SOTC and ICO were both brought up as well as both killer 7 and No more heroes which are fantastic games. Killer 7 has a wicked learning curve though but once you get the hang of it its fairly worth it. I really like how Suda51 does things differently than normal. I'd class the silent hill games as being artistic I guess. At least they have underlying intentions. Katamary Damacy is pretty artistic visually. I know of a bunch they are slipping my mind at the moment.
Guitaroo man
Odin Sphere..
As far as Science Fiction movies goes has anyone here heard of or seen the movie La Jetée. I saw it in a film class a couple years ago and found it kind of interesting, apparently the movie 12 monkeys was based off of it. It's kind of slow as it's mainly still frames but still fairly chilling and creepy as well. Its about time travel in paris after World War III.
Also a movie called Fantastic Planet, a sci-fi animated film about humans as pets to aliens. I haven't seen the whole things but from what I saw was pretty creepy.
I also really enjoyed a movie called The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension though it seems this doesn't count as the same kind of sci-fi you guys are discussing.
Not necessarily my favorites, I just really liked elements of them and thought someone might find them interesting.
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I really didn't enjoy Twilight Princess at all, it just felt like the base of a Zelda game they didn't spend any time making unique/interesting.
Wind Waker is easily my favourite Zelda, and probably my favourite world within a game ever, love the sense of culture and life, perfect controls and fun areas to explore
I also loved Super Mario Sunshine's world regardless of the gripes people had against it, I think the atmosphere that comes with a strong presence of water does something for me...
I'm a big fan of Super Mario Sunshine as well. I liked the atmosphere, the water, the beaches and so on. It was suitably difficult as well. Each level reflected the theme in a slightly different but interesting way, rather than being a fruit salad of random themes.
In my mind Wind Waker still beats Twilight Princess graphic wise. The low poly cartoony look is still awesome, whereas TP's look that aimed for realism looked a bit out dated already when it was released. And again, the Archipelago setting of Wind Waker was much more interesting than the generic fantasy world of TP.
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I agree with Ico, SOTC, Widwaker, Mario Galaxy and all of those. Okami is another obvious one. Comix Zone is an older game for the Genesis, but it also had an interesting look. Super Paper Mario has a pretty unique style.
As far as indie games go, Knytt, Within A Deep Forest, or anything else from that Nifflas fellow are interesting in a minimalist sort of way.
I was actually a big fan of TP. I thought that the twilight realm had a pretty interesting visual flair to it, especially when you go to the Twilight temple near the end of the game.
Also, I like the art direction of Team Fortress 2. They really put a lot of work into it. He's a video of the graphic's people justifying and explaining their choices in depth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswHCFUqprE
The new Prince of Persia game has a pretty cool look to it as well.
EDIT: Also, Samarost and it's sequel have an awesome style: http://amanita-design.net/samorost-2/
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Also a movie called Fantastic Planet, a sci-fi animated film about humans as pets to aliens. I haven't seen the whole things but from what I saw was pretty creepy.
Fantastic Planet was more than creepy. It's surreal, psychedelic, and dark. The environment is strange and the blue giants are even stranger. It's a good story and the animation reminds me of Monty Python's animated bits. I recommend it if you're up for a nice little trip (without the help of drugs...). You can watch it in english on YouTube.
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Argh! Another school shooting incident here in Finland. Finland has long boasted with a really high suicide rate and now these incidents.. and then there was a mall bombing as well several years back. I must admit I can't entirely get my around it, why here? Whe not in Sweden or Denmark or Estonia? Depression and an unability to cope with modern life's got something to do with it but I can't really understand. They all seem to be right wing nutters as well, but what's the deal? They're individual cases rather than people belonging to a nazi party or whatever. This is crap.
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:( Yeah and the guy missed his own head. Well he did hit it, but it wasn't lethal. Yet.
Bummer.
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You're actually sorry the guy was not able to take the easy way out?
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Oh well, he has died now, bastard. Just like the previous guy, a shot in the head, but continued living for a few more hours. Too easy for him.
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Posted by: leroy
Sad Yeah and the guy missed his own head. Well he did hit it, but it wasn't lethal.
Bummer.
Actually it was lethal... They both shoot near brains and didn't die so quick but it was lethal in both cases. (very sad case btw.)
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Ponton: He was just found dead in a training facility locker room. Shot in the head.
Inspector Jacques Clouseau: Was it fatal?
Ponton: Yes.
Inspector Jacques Clouseau: How fatal?
Ponton: Um, completely.
Inspector Jacques Clouseau: I want to talk to him now!
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This is a nice ad spot on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/experiencewii
Aside from the cool takeover on YouTube I just wanted to point out how nice the graphics of Wario Land are looking. Probably the best use of black outlines in a game I've seen!
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I must say Mirror's Edge has got some really awesome visual design. Clean, simple, colourful, and shiny without looking artificial. Urban decay as a look of a futuristic city has already been done so many times. The best thing however is the main character, Faith. Simple character design, yet instantly recognizable, and what's really awesome is that despite having Asian features her name isn't Mizuki or Sakura or whatever, but it's Faith. I just love that.
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There Will Be Brawl (http://therewillbebrawl.com/episodesEpisode1.asp)
XD
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Wow, things have changed a lot here since i last looked....much cleaners....props to the mods.
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Wow, things have changed a lot here since i last looked....much cleaners....props to the mods.
What have you been doing ndchristie? I noticed you haven't been here that much. :)
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Hmm, well, umm, hmm, I have just ordered myself a copy of Warhammer Online Age of Reckoning. Mostly because I know I'm gonna be bored when I'm out of job, and my friend has a great influence on me. :P I usually like what he likes.
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Maybe it'd be prudent if we started an "Introduction to Observational Drawing Thread"? It seems like advice that gets given out here a lot is to do more more more building of traditional skills, and it might be useful if he had a place to direct people new to drawing from life.
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Like a traditional art thread, or just anything drawn from life? I'd like to see something like that, but activity for it may fade away in the long run, as we already have an anatomy thread, as well as an ot creativity thread...so many categories, my mind is blowndeded'!
Also would like to mention that I spoke to a elderly customer who couldn't understand the concept of turning 2 separate devices on or off with 1 remote for their cable service. This was the longest 30 min. of my life.
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ONE (1) remote for TWO (2) devices???!?!?!? You are talking CRAZY!!!!
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Eh, yo guys, 'sup :\ Sorry for coming back like this without atoning for the christmas failure ): Sorry huZba for teh phail. I'll PM you about it.
Anyhow, lurking is like boring and stuffs. So here I am. Oh, also, I have a permanent job as a pixel artist at a games company, so I kinda wanted to say thanks guys, I'd never have achieved a level of pixel-artsyness sufficient for a job without the wonderful machinery of pixel arts, critiques and manhugs known as pixelation <3 So yeah :D
Also, I'm happy because now alkaline's avatar has a gelatinous partner (: Yay lovings <3
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Nice seeing you again Jad! Your avatar always reminds me of a good dessert :crazy:
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yayay you're back : D i missed my jiggly avatar counterpart. now post some art ::)
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Oh man, i've been wondering when you'd come back from hiding. It felt like 1/5 of happy and 1/2 of jiggly was missing, so now they're both back to full levels.
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Further messing round in Twinsen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZxEF-9y6k&fmt=18
you can see I updated his sprites a little, if you wanna see them in higher quality:
http://i37.tinypic.com/2vvjk46.gif
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Love the sprites and animation. But I find huge flashing light when stepping on those snails annoying.
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I've got a bit of a question for you all. I got into an argument with someone about settings. He wants to do a game with a moon setting(not OUR moon). This would be a habitat for a species, by the by. I think a gray boring crater-ridden terrain is pretty boring, and he agreed. So we started talking about ways to create a terrain that is still has the beauty and interest of Earth, but still reads as a moon instead of Earth.
He thinks, however, that it's perfectly fine to populate the setting with lots of green grass, blue water, brown dirt, red lava and such. He says that it would be better to have different cultures and climates to portray an alien world.
I, however, had the idea of change the colors of the world. Why does the water have to be blue? Why does the water have to be water we know as water? Why does the grass have to be green? I figured we could change the overall colors of the world to show that it's a totally different world other than Earth, but still have features people are familiar with. Of course, this would also have fictional vegetation and all.
He was very against the idea though, as he has the idea that people don't wont relate if it isn't like Earth. It's something I tend to hate in video games. No matter how far away the planet is from Earth, whether it's lightyears or dimensions, it still looks like Earth. The plants may be fictitious, but they tend to still be green, or as though you could pluck them out of the game and put them on Earth and they'd fit in fine. It's also a mindset I see in scientists a lot, where they think whatever life that may be out there in the universe follows the same rules as life on Earth. I dunno, I tend to really disagree that people won't see beauty in a setting if it doesn't have the same colors people associate with Earth. Am I wrong in this?
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I agree with you. As for water, it's transparent, clear, no colour, it looks blue because of our blue atmosphere. So on a planet with say a red sky water would look red.
I also think that making plants have different colours can work if done right. I do not see why, say dark blue trees with yellow/white leaves, could not work.
For all it matters I think making a world look nice but not like earth would create a greater sense of wonder and atmosphere.
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I agree with you. As for water, it's transparent, clear, no colour, it looks blue because of our blue atmosphere. So on a planet with say a red sky water would look red.
I actually researched this, because I believed the same thing, but it's a common misconception. Apparently, while cleaned water like in a pool or from the tap reflects the sky, and thus is blue, water from the ocean is blue because it's chemically blue.
What I still said applies though, as while that may be the physical properties of water on Earth, who's to say another planet couldn't have a similar counter-part, but with a different color? Every matter has a liquid state, so it's not far fetched to say a planet has adapted to another liquid substance.
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Love the sprites and animation. But I find huge flashing light when stepping on those snails annoying.
yah, there'll be an opacity slider for it in the options, we just haven't got around to implementing it yet.
And thanks :)
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He was very against the idea though, as he has the idea that people don't wont relate if it isn't like Earth. It's something I tend to hate in video games. No matter how far away the planet is from Earth, whether it's lightyears or dimensions, it still looks like Earth. The plants may be fictitious, but they tend to still be green, or as though you could pluck them out of the game and put them on Earth and they'd fit in fine. It's also a mindset I see in scientists a lot, where they think whatever life that may be out there in the universe follows the same rules as life on Earth. I dunno, I tend to really disagree that people won't see beauty in a setting if it doesn't have the same colors people associate with Earth. Am I wrong in this?
Also, I agree on the point about scientists usually sticking too closely to life in familiar forms, although if you get too unfamiliar, everything just becomes too abstract to hold any meaning. Don't forget that by talking about "plants", you are sticking pretty close to Earth life yourself.
Science does have a few points though. As far as the plant colours go, different chemicals are tinted different colours to better accept the more plentiful wavelengths of light. I don't remember all of the rules too well, but if the sun is yellow and like ours, then the plants will mostly be green to accept the most energy from it. Also, water is more abundant then most chemicals because it is formed from almost any reaction between an acid and a base.
That said, I'm all for changing the colours. It makes things new and exciting and you should be allowed to take some creative liberties to achieve a desired effect. Personally, I'd probably go with Blackish-blue plants with bio-luminescent stripes and rivers of a honey-like fluid. That would be awesome.
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Like a traditional art thread, or just anything drawn from life? I'd like to see something like that, but activity for it may fade away in the long run, as we already have an anatomy thread, as well as an ot creativity thread...so many categories, my mind is blowndeded'!
I meant a stickied thread that acts sort of a tutorial/guide for those who aren't familiar with traditional art practices and concepts
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Darien the problem is that we don't really have anyone here that is as strongly versed in traditional practises as they should be to write the tutorial.
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I agree with you. As for water, it's transparent, clear, no colour, it looks blue because of our blue atmosphere. So on a planet with say a red sky water would look red.
I actually researched this, because I believed the same thing, but it's a common misconception. Apparently, while cleaned water like in a pool or from the tap reflects the sky, and thus is blue, water from the ocean is blue because it's chemically blue.
What I still said applies though, as while that may be the physical properties of water on Earth, who's to say another planet couldn't have a similar counter-part, but with a different color? Every matter has a liquid state, so it's not far fetched to say a planet has adapted to another liquid substance.
Water is blue when seen from space because water absorbs red wave lengths before it absorbs blue wave lengths, which get reflected back. The sky on Earth hasn't always been blue. When life was just beginning, the sky was more greenish because there wasn't much oxygen in the atmosphere yet.
Have you been checking what sorts of surfaces the moons of different planets in our own solar system have got to offer? Titan, Europa, Ganymede, Io... all very alien places if you study them closely enough.
We have some plants even on Earth that have red leaves, at least some that live in water (like these (http://www.aquaria.com.au/catalog/images/ludwigia.jpg)) so it's a very valid idea.
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What I still said applies though, as while that may be the physical properties of water on Earth, who's to say another planet couldn't have a similar counter-part, but with a different color? Every matter has a liquid state, so it's not far fetched to say a planet has adapted to another liquid substance.
It's kind of far fetched. I mean the current scientific view (at least the view i've been taught) is that life utilizes water so much because of its specific properties. It's not as easy as "life needs a liquid, who says it has to be water". However there have been interesting ideas about silicon based life forms rather than carbon based. I guess it depends on how accurate you want the science in your game to be. You could go for "hard" science and find other molecules that could potentially be analogous to water and base your colours for oceans etc. around these molecules. Or you could go for softer science and basically do what you like in terms of colour and then use science to fake it... if that makes sense. Recently in my plant biology labs we've been studying pigments such as chlorophyll (the pigment that gives plants their green colour as well as enabling them to photosynthesize). There are a few other pigments present in earth plants that absorb colours other than green in the light spectrum for example Carotenoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carotenoid) which gives some plants red leaves as mentioned by JJ Naas. If you wanna use science as your background i suggest you read up on biological pigments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_pigment) and alternative biochemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_based_life) (I found this second article while writing this post - it looks like exactly what you want!).
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I'm curious, when you guys get asked for pixel jobs, or moreso freelance stuff, how much do you charge, generally? And more out of charge by piece's submitted, rather than hourly rates. Just wondering, as I'm no professional pixel artist, but when it comes to rates, I'm not too sure if I'm being modest, or outlandish with rates. Usually, if it's animations, it's all dependent on size, for me. With 100x100 pixel animations from about 2-10 frames, I'll usually charge like $8-10.00 an animation. Obviously, the higher the size, and number of frames go up, the more I like to get a little more technical with the charges, after they pass that given line.
Now I know there's been countless threads, which I've reviewed, like Goblins of game industry, and the other countless separate threads asking same question, but not many people seem to answer with their own opinion on what they themselves generally do, without hourly wages in the same answer. Any one want to chime in on some simple anecdotes of past requests or commissions, so I can get a better idea?
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I'm still struggling with that same thing, B.O.B.
I started out real cheap, then people told me I was real cheap, so I upped my prices a bit, and I've just been gradually raising my prices on each job, to see how high I can go before someone says it's a bit much, then I'll go back down to where we're both happy. :P Haven't gone that high yet though.
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I'd say if you work hard and focused for an hour and you don't get paid at least 30 euro for that hour, you're ripping yourself off. Add to this according to your skill and experience, but I would be careful about subtracting for it. How much you'd get paid per-piece is just your honest approximation of how many hours it'll take to make.
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Yeah... you can't really charge by the hour, but it's a good way to do the math to arrive at a fair quote. With pretty much any kind of freelance work it's a good idea to break it down and see how much money per hour you're actually making. If it ends up being the same as bagging groceries at Quik-E-Mart you're getting ripped off.
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I'll concur with all of the above.
Usually I just let whomever is interested in my services know that I charge $40/hour and that I will gladly convert that into a piecework rate if necessary. The most important thing to be able to do is effectively devise just how long a job will take. If a 100x100 ten frame animation takes you about fifteen minutes to create, then I'd say you're pretty amazing, but charging the right price. For me, I'd probably charge about $50-60 for such a thing, under the assumption that it would probably take me 1-2 hours to complete.
Really though, it's very important that you can quote your work in such a fashion that you're happy with the payment you receive for the amount of time you put in. I spent my first three months freelancing as a full-time job learning that the hard way.
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I'll concur with all of the above.
Usually I just let whomever is interested in my services know that I charge $40/hour and that I will gladly convert that into a piecework rate if necessary. The most important thing to be able to do is effectively devise just how long a job will take. If a 100x100 ten frame animation takes you about fifteen minutes to create, then I'd say you're pretty amazing, but charging the right price. For me, I'd probably charge about $50-60 for such a thing, under the assumption that it would probably take me 1-2 hours to complete.
Really though, it's very important that you can quote your work in such a fashion that you're happy with the payment you receive for the amount of time you put in. I spent my first three months freelancing as a full-time job learning that the hard way.
Understood, but I guess I'm coming from a more laid back state, as I'm moreso doing the pixel art "commissions" for fun...with a little side cash on the side. I say this as I have an actual full time job, but I like to do a little bit of pixel art every now and then. So coming from this mindset, would you guys still charge at an hourly rate, considering pixeling for games is NOT your primary source of income(granted you have enough free time to do this type of thing)?
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anyone who has any stake in the 2008 US presidential election (aka ALL OF YOU MWAHAHA) tune into the debate at 9pm EST on cnn.com !
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or here:
EDIT: it's done
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anyone who has any stake in the 2008 US presidential election (aka ALL OF YOU MWAHAHA) tune into the debate at 9pm EST on cnn.com !
Sometimes I have fantasies about fire raining down from the sky destroying all idiots, sparing the reasonable folks. The current US election nonsense going on spures this more so than ever before.
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Screw the debate. The people can't do anything anyway. We're all screwed and our votes mean nothing.
That is not a good way to think. You have to be clear about that the radicals will vote. So all the rabid people who will vote McCain/Palin will do it. And if there are lots of people thinking like you and go, meh wateva, you should not be surprised if McCain/Palin win the election. If you do not vote for what you think is right you have lateron really no right bitching when shit goes down because you did not even try to make a difference.
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Any non-Americans know any other non-Americans that would vote for Mccain if they could?
Even my conservative friends hate Mccain.
Sure we don't get the exact same coverage as American networks give the election, but I think we still get at least a glimpse of any significant developments.
New Zealand politics are so boring...
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Oh, and how about that Nintendo, having the E3 they should have had.
Sin & Punishment and Another Code for the Wii was enough for me, but they had tons more for the DS and Wii, even re-releasing GCN classics with new controls (I'd love to replay some of my old GCN games already, but the GCN's controller cable is stupidly short- doesn't even reach my couch) not to mention a new DS design.
And they showed more of Oboro Muramasa <3
Oh and Cave Story on Wiiware, I want to love it, but I'm sure Nintendo won't be giving it away for free and that's always been against Pixel's intentions.
I would gladly pay for it, but I want to know he'll get some of the money... Should all be revealed in due time.
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hmm, I have mixed feelings about the Cave Story.. uhm story
First I think it's great to have indie games native on big consoles and supported by big publishers (Nintendo as dreamland). I hope Pixel's (Daisuke Amaya) interests are preserved. I think as a killer feature a multiplayer (like SSBM?) and coop-mode (with adjusted levels like more (dangerous) enemies) would be incredible genius to that game. But that's maybe just a daydream. It's very likely that they release exactly the same game with something (imho) cheap like achievments like in Team Fortress 2 and Megaman or new skins (e.g. playing as curly or sue) without real new gameplay features.
What's left is that people who doesn't know of indie games have the chance to play a small gem of that inspiring and rich underground scene which they probably would never have heard of.
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GCN's controller cable is stupidly short- doesn't even reach my couch.
http://www.amazon.com/MadCatz-GameCube-Extension-Cable/dp/B00005TNVN (http://www.amazon.com/MadCatz-GameCube-Extension-Cable/dp/B00005TNVN)
I have one on my normal controller. Buy 2 if necessary. ;D
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Politically, I trust neither of the two candidates...both have qualities that seem so untrusting. Basically, like choosing the lesser of 2 evils(heh, when has this ever changed). I'd rather neither, if I had the choice. Poop economy is the main problem I see right now, and NONE of the candidates have a clear cut answer to fix it. Both seem based out of hope that their plans will fix it...which won't. I just see kids that want to be the leader of the group, squabbling over things unimportant.
I think it's more a people problem being babied for so long, that it's finally caught up with them, especially with leniency in the housing market with banking loans. I think if humans were to live longer life spans, we wouldn't create ridiculous products that fail in a couple of months or years, or have failing plans, as we would focus more on the long run: but nay,(on Americans, primarily), we live an average life span of about 70-80 years(which actually isn't too bad among all nations, even though we're becoming a bunch of fat asses). I would think if you're a business person, you'd realize money on the long run is much more valuable than the short run, so quality and various testing of products and plans should no doubt be emphasized before these things get placed in action.
And this also becomes the problem, as people want this economic problem fixed NOW: which to be honest won't happen anytime soon. It'll take some time before banks sort their poop out, start becoming more strict on loans with the housing market...more people bitching. Patience is a virtue, which as an American, I hate to say this, we have little or none. Not that I'm bagging on my country, as I 'wuv it(football, free women, hotdogs, and beer people!! :) ).
Also, I'd definitely recede troops from Iraq, as it's doing nothing for us being there, causing more harm than good. Thousands dead, could have been thousands making us more money for the economy, here back at home. Yet here we are, bitching about this mess. I think most can agree, that war makes little or no sense for us now, as we have what we need in the u.s, and it's time to start strengthening from the inside, rather than out.
But again, this post is coming from an ignorant user, who is indifferent towards mostly everything in the world. I'm more delusional, especially in the dream sense, and I can live with it. Maybe if there's a user here more actively involved in politics, they can describe what's what, or maybe some solutions, and not be weak enough to get into political parties strengths and weaknesses, as this shit is played out.
...done.
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Even my conservative friends hate Mccain.
I'm quite conservative but I'm pretty sure McCain is going to start World War 3 if he gets elected. Especially after Palin's solemn promise to repeat the Iraq debacle in Afghanistan last night. After 8 years of idiocy the Republicans have learned nothing from their mistakes, I think they need a time out.
[EDIT] And the idea of McCain dying of age and Sarah Palin being left in charge of the world's largest military force keeps me from being able to sleep at night.
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Although I've preferred Obama since the beginning I thought McCain wouldn't have been too bad a choice either, better than Bush anyway, but McCain appointing Palin for his Vice president candidate made me lose all the respect I had for him. Out of 300 million people, SHE is in McCain's view the best candidate for the second most important job in the world?!?
Being the hyperpower that USA is and always messing around with their armed forces all around the planet, the results of US elections affect the whole world, so why shouldn't the whole world be allowed to vote as well?
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Being the hyperpower that USA is and always messing around with their armed forces all around the planet, the results of US elections affect the whole world, so why shouldn't the whole world be allowed to vote as well?
American population = somewhere around 300 million.
Think of how many douchebags there are out of that amount, that will be voting.
Now imagine the percentage of douchebags in a population of 6 BILLION that would be voting. And that's not even counting people from countries that hate the US. That's a lot of douchebaggery.
It's a nice gesture but the implications are pretty scary.
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Not sure what you're getting at ben, douchebags shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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No, he's saying we have too many of them voting already in the US...no need for more. ;D
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Do you really think the douchebag : respectable person ratio is very different outside of the States? :crazy:
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Being the hyperpower that USA is and always messing around with their armed forces all around the planet, the results of US elections affect the whole world, so why shouldn't the whole world be allowed to vote as well?
American population = somewhere around 300 million.
Think of how many douchebags there are out of that amount, that will be voting.
Now imagine the percentage of douchebags in a population of 6 BILLION that would be voting. And that's not even counting people from countries that hate the US. That's a lot of douchebaggery.
It's a nice gesture but the implications are pretty scary.
If proactive voting is in effect, the douchbaggery is evened out through the voting procedure. Read 'The Wisdom of Crowds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds)'. The real problem is how your two parties are interchangeable.
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Oh, and how about that Nintendo, having the E3 they should have had.
Sin & Punishment and Another Code for the Wii was enough for me, but they had tons more for the DS and Wii, even re-releasing GCN classics with new controls (I'd love to replay some of my old GCN games already, but the GCN's controller cable is stupidly short- doesn't even reach my couch) not to mention a new DS design.
And they showed more of Oboro Muramasa <3
Oh and Cave Story on Wiiware, I want to love it, but I'm sure Nintendo won't be giving it away for free and that's always been against Pixel's intentions.
I would gladly pay for it, but I want to know he'll get some of the money... Should all be revealed in due time.
This post brought to light the fact any of this actually happened.
I checked out the DSi, but it looks exactly like the DSL. It has the same fundamental design, but now has a camera in place for a GBA slot? I was really hoping for a new design that didn't cramp my hands up like the DSL does. The DSL cramps my hands up so bad that I can't play for more than half an hour, and that is terrible for gaming.
Oh, and hopefully they'll release Cave Story as a free Wiiware. They really never release any free stuff, would be nice for a change.
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I wasn't being serious with my suggestion.. the Chinese alone could easily elect someone who doesn't speak a word of English and so on. But then again such a practice should be applied on the elections of all countries that are incapable of just minding their own business like China and Russia.
Still, this vote, more than any vote passed inside the borders of Iraq will have a huge effect on what'll become out of their country. Do they want to keep the American troops in Iraq or do they want them to leave? I've not entirely made my mind of this. The idea of having a stable, secular country in the heart of that troubled area (where most of our civilization sprung from) would be awesome, but in order to last, such a change should come from within the country, so I think the whole Iraq war was a wasted effort.
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Popular vote was a good idea that worked until the electoral college took over and robbed the people of their voice.
Read a history book. America has never had the popular vote. Since 1787 the electoral college has chosen the presidents of the united states, and they were directed first by the state's legislative branch until the mid-1800's when the people's votes were intended to take over in most states. The primary reason was improved infrastructure, which led to supposedly a more educated population able to hear news and have their votes collected at a speed yet to be dreamed of at the birth of the nation. That we have progressed even further than that to the point where nearly every american has access to news and education is a different matter, and some (though not I) would argue that american's desire not only to ignore their rights to news and education but also to still form strong opinions based on excessively little information is actually a reason to go back to the legislature method.
as for everything "evening out" - that is precisely the problem. when popular parties have a fairly even split, it's the most outspoken radical group that tends to make the difference. That is how (in extreme paraphrase) many nations end up with governments that do not necessarily represent them well at all, for better of for worse.
Iraq is its own problem at this point, caused by us but kept by them, or at least that is the popular (unanimous) opinion of my immigrant friends. Several of them are here because they helped the US in 2003-2004 and were rewarded with hatred from both sides. At this point Americans seem to do more harm than good in terms of the national philosophy, despite all efforts. Sure, the surge tightened our hold on the country and reduced violence, but that kind of pressure only hides conflict rather than solving it.
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I checked out the DSi, but it looks exactly like the DSL. It has the same fundamental design, but now has a camera in place for a GBA slot?
Actually i think the SD card slot is more of a replacement for the GBA slot. They're introducing DSiware also.
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I checked out the DSi, but it looks exactly like the DSL. It has the same fundamental design, but now has a camera in place for a GBA slot?
Actually i think the SD card slot is more of a replacement for the GBA slot. They're introducing DSiware also.
Didn't notice that, but it's all still pretty useless when I can't hold my DS for more than half an hour :(
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Iraq is its own problem at this point, caused by us but kept by them, or at least that is the popular (unanimous) opinion of my immigrant friends.
A country is never 'its own problem' when it's occupied by enemy troops. It's a startlingly inconsiderate statement you just made. Your immigrant friends might make it out of spite of their homeland (it's a common thing) but you shouldn't.
as for everything "evening out" - that is precisely the problem. when popular parties have a fairly even split, it's the most outspoken radical group that tends to make the difference.
Not really, since between the republicans and democrats, there really isn't much of a difference in geopolitical terms, so a vote towards either party, fuelled by radical thought or not, is a fuel towards the same thing. The problem is fundamental in the concept of the 'two large parties', and it is largely a problem of how democracy is made to work. A true democracy would promote there being many different viable parties that would rotate in place of power. If it's just party red and party blue that are essentially the same thing taking turns to promote the vested interests of the banks that uh... bankroll them, then this isn't democracy really, is it?
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Yeh it really is not, but if you look at candidate setups like McCain/Palin, things become a bit more scary.
Also, funny thought:
It's rather ironical in a way how in America you have so much choice with EVERYTHING. Lots of different brands of stuff, lots of gradiation from no pulp orange juice, over some pulp, normal pulp amounts and LOTSA pulp, shitloads of cereals, shitloads of everything. HUGE CHOICE.
But when it comes to politics the choice is virtually zero. Gotta love America.
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A country is never 'its own problem' when it's occupied by enemy troops.
We're not the enemies of Iraq, nor are most Iraqis our enemies, terrorists are our enemies, and the only people creating terrorists are our soldiers staying in the region (god bless them as it's not their fault or intent). The coalition dissolved four years ago, suggesting that it's questionable to even call what's happening an "occupation" even if we are hostile towards the citizens or government of Iraq (which we are not) because we are not controlling the government there. Regardless of the picky-word-nonsense, you and I agree that the problem is America's fault but that our soldiers there do more harm than good and need to be removed for the problem to even begin being resolved.
As for my immigrant friends, they speak out of patriotism to Iraq. They tell me that their nation would be safe and prosperous post-2004 if not for the Americans. I don't know how true this is but I can only repeat what I've been told by people who have been there, aka a handful of soldier friends and a handful of immigrant friends.
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A country is never 'its own problem' when it's occupied by enemy troops.
We're not the enemies of Iraq, nor are most Iraqis our enemies, terrorists are our enemies
Last few points from my side: the matter is that the US government has troops forcefully occupying a foreign country and that makes them the enemies of that country by default. This isn't picking words, this is a very important geopolitical realization. If you have troops in a country that doesn't want you there, you are occupying the country, you are at war with the country, you can not dress it up another way. I really cannot see how a foreign force that has killed 100,000 innocent people in Iraq not an occupying force, but I'm sure it all pans out somehow from your point of view. I don't really want to get into this too much, though, so we can agree to disagree.
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I just mean that occupation implies some form of control, which we don't have, something to do other than waste time, which we don't have, a desire to be there, which most of us don't have, and some sort of profit, which we DEFINITELY don't have. It's a horrible mess that goes far beyond and around "occupation."
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I checked out the DSi, but it looks exactly like the DSL. It has the same fundamental design, but now has a camera in place for a GBA slot?
Actually i think the SD card slot is more of a replacement for the GBA slot. They're introducing DSiware also.
Didn't notice that, but it's all still pretty useless when I can't hold my DS for more than half an hour :(
I'll just quickly go over the new DSi features:
2 cameras, one on the inside of the hinge and the other on the outside of the top half.
Larger screens.
SD card slot.
On-board memory and ram.
Overall smaller and lighter.
Will have DSware (as already mentioned) (I'm expecting downloadable GB/C games too)
And a few other small changes like improved speakers, button placement, etc
I will be getting one, the SD slot alone has huge potential for the inevitable homebrew. But I will be keeping my DSlite because I'm sure my R4 won't work on the DSi's new firmware, and so I can still use Guitar Hero on DS
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INCREDIBLY stylish game from the people who made Viewtiful Joe, and Okami.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VEg_AMmh64
MAD WORLD
I cant believe they had the balls to do this, I would be scared shitless to say I could do a game with just BnW....but they did it. I think us pixelartists should discuss such a bold move to have an incredibly limited pallete....think of the posiblities in the lo.spec section :o
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I really hope they don't take out the blood like they did in (my version of) No More heroes.
I normally don't really care about the blood in games, but in No More Heroes the boss fights took place in blank canvases basically and it sucked not being able to paint them.
The blood must stay in Mad World for obvious reasons.
Mad World looks very cool, but I still don't really get it.
Very striking visuals, over the top violence, smashTV-like commentators, and trashy rap?
Just don't quite see what's tying it all together
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To me, Mad World looks like an attempt to catch the GTA demographic, with more brutality, style and violence. I know the makers also want to make it comedic as well, but the game looks boring to me. However, I could be(and have been) dreadfully wrong....the black, white and red colors do nothing for me, as well, and I don't really see how it's "ballsy" that they did that. I'm still more interested in Little Big Planet.
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What BOB said. I don't get why Mad World is so stunning, aside from "omg, violence on Nintendo wtf." Gameplay didn't look all that great.
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omg, all the latest posts in the art forum are in megaman topics :o
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Oboro Muramasa :0'
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2i0rqtk.jpg)
Gonna be so great..
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That looks like Odin Sphere on crack. :-\
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Animation looks incredible, but gah, that run animation! :blind:
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The Sin and Punishment 2 stuff that is floating around the web looks awesome!!! Finally a Wii game to really look forward to! :crazy:
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I feel like Johnny Raincloud for saying this but when I saw the Sin & Punishment 2 trailer I was like, "Noooooooooooooooooo!"
I'm all for a sequel to that game but the original was so slick and stylish and had that undeniably Treasure feel. The new one looks like it was cobbled together from interns' college portfolios. No style, none of the rhythm that the original game had, the only common element is the rails.
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I like the Ikaruga-esque style it has. And I think the rhythm can not really be judged from the supershort clips that are shown in the video. The original was more colourful, that's for sure.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/MANDRAGGANON/tokyoshrine_miniature2.jpg)
http://gizmodo.com/5060074/amazing-tilt+shift-time+lapse-videos-make-lilliputians-of-us-all
A neat lens effect that makes things look miniature. Thought it was really neat so I wanted to share it.
The effect can also be achieved with a photoshop filter quite easily, I made the first image and here's another that I made.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/MANDRAGGANON/Tokyo_miniature.jpg
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Wall-e was such a great movie, the little sprites during the credits were neat too :)
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Wall-e was such a great movie, the little sprites during the credits were neat too :)
Agreed. My fav' pixar movie yet. That is until "Up" comes around, but never count your eggs before they hatch...or however that saying goes.
I'm just starting to get annoyed by great comedy movies that are coming out, but always have some group who feel they're being made fun of. Wall-E being the victim of over-weight people's accusations. Tropical Thunder accused of some form of Racism(but seriously, why don't we just raise hell with about 95% of all movies created, as nearly all have some form of racism in them).
And also, the issue where movies can't have the character pointing a gun at the camera being ordained "tasteless"...can someone explain that one to me? Tasteless? As opposed to movies like "not another teen movie", "disaster movie", "epic movie" and "superhero movie" are tasteful? Please, explain this to an ignorant American like myself...
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fat people complained about Wall-e?
What else would happen to people spending 700 years in chairs and drinking every meal from a super sized cup?
I thought it was interesting how there was no social stigma about being obese, it wasn't even an issue in the movie.
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over 1000 posts :noob:
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Tropic Thunder was accused of being racist?...
I don't get it. I mean, unless it was like, the Vietnamese that were angry. :-\
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Tropic Thunder was accused of being racist?...
I don't get it. I mean, unless it was like, the Vietnamese that were angry. :-\
My bad, Tropical Thunder wasn't the one with racism. No, it got heat for it's frequent use of the word "retard", by educational/disability groups, by Stiller's character...
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The people that complain about that kind of stuff should find something better to do.
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Updated my member title to properly answer yours, ben!
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Bob is a much cooler name than Sprite. Spriting should be called Bobbing.
(Bobs and Sprites are slightly different tho)
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Nah, Brush is a cooler name than Sprite!
I mean, if it weren't so, then Guybrush would've been called Guysprite, amirite?
Guysprite Threepwood, the heck, that sounds awful D:
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Well he is called Guybrush because Deluxepaint has something which is called a brush, same thing Promotion does as well.
On the Amiga Sprites are called Bobs tho, Blitterobjects.
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I thought the original sprite's filename was Guy.brush (.brush being the extension)
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Similar to Starfox's name being based off the SuperFX chip
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As I said, in DPaint you can store things as brushes and paint with them. I don´t think the extension is .brush, but that does not matter. The brush he was stored as was called Guy, hence his name.
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Updated my member title to properly answer yours, ben!
Jad, you are the stuff of legend. :y:
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<Words placed in meaningful succession>
Updated my member title to properly answer yours, ben!
Jad, you are the stuff of legend. :y:
Let's go out sometime for pleasure, when the night is still young.
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I just found this on slashdot What Google Engineers do for Fun: Computerized Lego Art Project (http://www.breakitdownblog.com/what-google-engineers-do-for-fun-lego-art-project/)
I think the most interesting part about this is
I [...] wrote some Java code to use a simulated annealing technique to figure out a layout for Lego bricks that when stacked on each other look like the image (but also try to minimize cost of the parts, and also try to ensure the result has some structure rigidity - these images are held together only by gravity and the Lego bricks themselves - no glue.
I don't like the result very much, tho. Looks too much like generic photoshop color reduce (well, what else? He's a engineer and not an artist!). I like Monsoon2D's approach (http://www.monsoon2d.com/images/thedump/mmlego.jpg) better, but I know that low-color sprites works better than reduced full-color photographies. Nevertheless I think there could be impressive results if a pixelartist would pixel a picture with the available lego brick colors as a palette and uses the program to calculate how to make the ideal picture in terms of price and rigidity.
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I'm thinking about getting another hand-held. I've had my old gameboy advance for a while now, and am finally thinking of upgrading. Should I get a Gameboy sp, PSP, or a Nintendo ds lite? I'm really leaning toward Nintendo DS lite as we speak, but not sure if I should just hold out until Nintendo DSI comes out...
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DSi doesn't have a GBA slot. DSlite does though, if you're interested in playing GBA games.
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If you want to play new games get a DS. If you want to play old games get a PSP and hack it.
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Off-topic, I've gotta find paintings/artwork that demonstrates compositional elements well, but I have a distinct lack of resources with which to work. In short, I've been finding all my stuff off conceptart.org and cgsociety, but I'd like to start getting less digital, more actual painting nonsense. Seeing as you guys all have opinions on good artists/painters/whatever, I figured I'd ask you for the names of some of your favorite artists, so I can look at their work and work from those.
Cheers!
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http://www.drewstruzan.com
Today i realized he made the coolest DuckTales picture i've ever seen.
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Composition wise I think this blog may can help you. I've read some post yesterday and today and there are lots of interesting posts about composition and links to people who are great in compositions (http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2006/03/bill-peet.html) (mostly animation and film). http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/ - begin with the old posts (2006), it's totally worth it!
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urgh...
My dog got hit by a car just over an hour ago, she's still alive and none of the injuries seem serious.
But man, the rush of emotions is just crazy when you see something like that happen.
I went down the driveway with her to see my friends off, we both waited at the end of the drive and once my friends drove off I turned around to go back up the driveway and she ran out into the road.
Luckily there is a speed-bump just past our house so the car had already slowed down a bit.
Almost instantly she started yelping and I was about to run towards the street but she was already running back with a limp and lay down at my feet, carried her back to the house, the lady who was driving came and was apologizing etc, I assured her it wasn't her fault at all and not to give it another thought (kinda weird thing to say I know)
Rang the vet, took her straight in, they think she might be alright to come home later today, but we just had her spayed a week ago and her stitches have now burst so.. could be complications.
argh it sucks, I still feel kinda sick from the shock I guess
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Ouch that sucks man. I know how it feels. One of our cats got run over when she was just over 1 year old.
Sadly she didn't make it :(
I didn't see it happen though...
Happy that your dog is okay! I hate to see animals get hurt.
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Meh, I'm indifferent towards animals dying. It's sad, but once you've seen a couple, you start caring less. I've seen about 6 pups die from sickness, or just being ran over by a car. Another was carried off by a Hawk...pretty sure that guy didn't make it afterward.
I've seen about 2-3 adult dogs pretty much murdered viciously by my Pit bull. Bear in mind we didn't force this dog to fight, he was just very protective. I remember being a kid, and waking up to hearing some dog screeching in horror outside my room, only to see my dog, Champ, clamping on to it's neck, aggressively swinging it back and forth, eventually seeing it's spinal column coming out of it's body. Gross.
I also remember my dog getting loose from his leash after my oldest brother was walking him, and hauling ass to a house a block down from mine and getting in a fight with two Rottweilers. My brother ran over as quickly as he could but couldn't get a hand in, as the animals were fiercely going at it. Sadly, one Rottweiler died, the other was injured, but not enough for it to die or anything. I'm pretty sure the reason my dog was able to kill one, as that one of the Rottweilers was tied up to a post, putting him at a disadvantage, and both were probably still young dogs not used to fighting. The owner of the 2 dogs, some old lady, came out and threatened to shoot my dog with a shot gun. Accordingly, my brother picked up our pit, and hauled ass out of there when she went inside for her gun( I lived in a small, dirt town in Texas. Probably about 40% of the population, probably about 5,000 in total, there owned a gun) My dog got into a couple of other scuffles, but not enough to kill other dogs as he got older...just enough to maim. Glad though, as my dad got tired of waking up, and finding another dead animal on the lot to clean up after.
Despite his aggressive nature, I still miss that dumb dog though. I missed training him to sit and roll over. Sitting outside next to him at night, just looking at the sky like some ignorant hick. That, or watching him hump his favorite piece of carpet, heh. He died of old age, and probably deteriorating liver to boot. Was sad to see him go.
I've also seen pigs killed, or shot and then eaten afterwards. Seen Goats hung by the hind legs, throats sliced, gutted immediately...and then eaten afterwards. I hate the noise they make when they die though. Sounds like a person dying/screaming at the top of his lungs when they kill it..blegh. Man, that's why I think if there is a heaven, old school Mexicans have a chip on their shoulder of ever getting in. Oh well, I'm sure if that's a case, other cultures are f***ed as well...
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how did a dog appear outside your room?
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I guess I should have said "outside my house, next to my room."
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And your dog was on his leash? And the other dog went in his face to fight?
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And now the bad part of it, which I always feel guilty of: We chained our pit bull up to a tree beside our house(which was next to my room). This most likely caused his aggressive nature. In other words, dogs wouldn't run up to him to fight, they would smell his food in his bowl, walk up to it and try eating it, thus sparking a territorial battle between the two. Usually, the other dog was some poor mutt, or docile breed that couldn't much fend for itself. We never believed in dog fights, as it's idiotic, nor did we force our dog to fight others. Him being chained up most of his life most likely caused him to be so damn protective and aggressive toward other animals, or persons not associated with our immediate family which he saw everyday.
I never mention that part of the story, as feel so guilty about it: Chaining up a living thing it's whole life, and most likely messing up it's mental state. We got him when he was a pup, and was mainly for guard dog purposes, as we had a break in our house prior. The poor thing was destined to be a guard dog/slave. Even though my parents made the decision to chain him up, I still felt guilty for it afterward. Despite this, my brother would sometimes take him for a walk, and he would get loose from his cheap leash other times. He only got in one fight when he got loose from the leash. Majority of the fights were when he was chained up, though.
Had I been older, I would have told my parents not to chain him up. But stuff happens, and he's gone now.
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That's pretty awful. Dogs can be trained not to attack living beings too. I know that this would counter what your family wanted him for, but still, what if it was a child that the dog attacked one of the times it got loose?
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Its my birfday :) the big 20
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Happy Birfday, yo! :D :y:
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Happy burfday! As far as doing stuff goes, 20 is inconsequential, 21 is proper age where everything goes!
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Dogs can be trained not to attack living beings too.
Not necessarily, at least not unless you've had personal control over the bloodline for a few generations. We used to have an English Mastiff in the family. Big, cute, and raised by my eldest brother, who loves dogs a whole bunch. With the guidance of two vet friends and a past experience of three dog ownerships throughout his life, not to mention friends-with-dogs and the like, he raised Ramona (the dog!) and kept her well acquainted with other dogs and animals and children during her childhood. She was great with kids, but had a tendency to... well, play a little rough with the little dogs that sniffed her butt. Nothing agressive, not out for blood (If you've met a mastiff you know their nature. Big, mopey, dopey things).
She once attacked a man without warning while my brother was sitting on a park bench. He had her on a leash, and she just lunged at him. My brother stopped her, but the man was notably scared. 100-odd pounds of dog is little laughing matter.
About three weeks later, she decided to attack a lady's little poodle or... one of those fluffy little dogs. The lady panicked and hit Ramona, so Ramona scratched her or pawed her or something. The details aren't clear, just the lady got a scratch on her arm.
Noone pressed charges, but recurrance of incidents inspired my brother to put her down, to prevent a REAL problem.
Yeah. Raised right and clean, her family bloodline couldn't be trained out (Her mom was a farm dog, had killed a few cats. Her brother had the same mean streak, just faar more evident. Both were put down before Ramona was)
P.S. Thanks much for the links, guys! Helps out a bunch, great amount of reading and looking to do now.
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Brought her home tonight, doesn't look like any bones have been fractured, just some bad grazing, lots of bruising and some exposed bone on her left legs- so she's wearing casts :ouch:
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Happy burfday! As far as doing stuff goes, 20 is inconsequential, 21 is proper age where everything goes!
Wha?? I've been 21 for almost a year and it's been one of the most uneventful years of my life! Except for the almost-gotten-a-job bit. That's never happened before.
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So Dead Space is pretty much the scariest thing ever. Survival horror games up until this point have bored me to tears, they're almost never genuinely scary just really gory. (Until now I think the only game that legitimately scared me was Half Life 2... fricken head crabs)
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Can't wait for Dead Space, nothing really scared me either except the Antlion Guard in HL2 Episode Two where you couldn't kill it. And Lisa Trevor.
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Yeah, i'm looking forward to Dead Space as well. Based on interviews they have good principles in their gamedesign and i'd like to see how they work in practice. Also bonus points for not having a space marine, but instead a miner who fights with mining equipment.
Need to wait for one more week for the PC version (whoo, 20€ cheaper than on consoles).
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Oh yeah that gun that alt-fires shots all around in a 360 arc? Total mining equipment.
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Oh yeah that gun that alt-fires shots all around in a 360 arc? Total mining equipment.
But it's in the FUTURE. :P
And isn't the guy an engineer?
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Oh yeah that gun that alt-fires shots all around in a 360 arc? Total mining equipment.
Pshhh... party pooper. ::)
It's seriously like someone tuned into my brain and stole every idea I had for how to make a scary game, and then they went and made Dead Space. And yeah anyone who is interested in game design should definitely play it. Visually it's very nice although not really anything you haven't seen before. But the gameplay and the sound design are head and shoulders above anything else I've played on current gen systems.
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So Dead Space is pretty much the scariest thing ever. Survival horror games up until this point have bored me to tears, they're almost never genuinely scary just really gory. (Until now I think the only game that legitimately scared me was Half Life 2... fricken head crabs)
Fuck I love Half Life 2 though. Favourite game of all time.
I will admit headcrabs would occasionally also give me a scare. but after finishing the single player for 10 times you about know where they're hidden.
I can't frickin wait for episode 3.
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Oh yeah that gun that alt-fires shots all around in a 360 arc? Total mining equipment.
Sure. There are already theoretical microwave beam guns for mining and completely working versions for toasting people from the inside, so that "mining equipment" doesn't need much suspension of disbelief compared to say, the planet crackers in the game.
Also it's the future and they use science. Science can do anything.
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Also it's the future and they use science. Science can do anything.
But can Science beat up Jesus?...Eh, can it? :hehe:
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Also it's the future and they use science. Science can do anything.
But can Science beat up Jesus?...Eh, can it? :hehe:
Of course.
There is only one man science cannot beat up.
And that's Bruce Lee.
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Well, Bruce Lee died from a painkiller... sounds like science won that round.
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Well, Bruce Lee died from a painkiller... sounds like science won that round.
Lies.
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Well, Bruce Lee died from a painkiller... sounds like science won that round.
Died? I just saw him winking in the banner!
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He actually died from complications related to a roundhouse kick that Chuck Norris had delivered during a choreographed fight several months prior.
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He actually died from complications related to a roundhouse kick that Chuck Norris had delivered during a choreographed fight several months prior.
Oh come on. Chuck Norris is overrated. He is shown beating Bruce in a video. But it's framed I tell you. The government is behind it.
Because we all know that Bruce Lee would KICK HIS ASS.
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Was Chuck Norris wearing his Action Jeans (http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3841/751/1600/271148/ActionJeans650.jpg) at the time? That'd surely give him an unfair advantage...
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Damn it you guys. I'm cracking up so hard right now...I'm ordering me a pair of Chuck Norris Action jeans as we speak.
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"Oi! Give us your phone or we'll... ... OH SH-! HE HAS ACTION JEANS ON! RUN!"
I can see it now.. ::)