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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: garland on May 29, 2008, 04:31:16 am

Title: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on May 29, 2008, 04:31:16 am
Uh...Yeah, I guess the subject kinda explains it already, but anyways. I'm new here, but not really. I used to post on here way back in the day, but it seems the forums have changed hosts a couple of times since then, and the community seems to have grown. (In it's talent, if not it's size.) So, I guess I'm saying hey and stuff. Prolly the wrong forum for this, but oh well, perhaps I can save myself with some pixel art.

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4224/pixelwarriorchicket8.png)

I got bored, lost track of time. C+C still much appreciated though.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: dtek on May 29, 2008, 05:37:16 pm
Hi, I like the red dithering under his shorts, kind of jumps out at 100%, interesting
I think he's cross-eyed though...
later
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on May 30, 2008, 06:13:33 am
Hmm...so I take that it's terribly unobvious that the sprite is supposed to be female. I guess that's...not good...hmm?
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: tehwexxl0rz on May 30, 2008, 06:24:40 am
Hmm...so I take that it's terribly unobvious that the sprite is supposed to be female. I guess that's...not good...hmm?
Hehe... If you give her some hips and decrease the width of her waist relative to her bust it should help. ;)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on May 30, 2008, 06:46:52 am
Small edit:

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3337/pixelwarriorchickwip1sc8.png)

I raised the breasts a little and thinned the waist and widened the hips. Hopefully feels a bit more female now. Actually the sprite started as a buff dude, and when I started to detail it, it sort of changed into a chick. So I carved away a bunch of it already, but I guess it's still got traces of manly-ness in there. Not that there's anything wrong with a good solid woman. :P

I don't really have any plans for this thing, I guess I could try animating it or something...
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Caliber9 on May 30, 2008, 01:10:39 pm
I think that the problem is that the hips aren't round enough, female's hips are very round and end up a lot higher on the body. I try to think of the curve of the hips extending the whole way down to the knee.  Her hips are too straight so that gives her a more manly look.  I did an edit hopefully it helps its not perfect by any means and I don't claim to be a master in anatomy or anything but I think it helps give her a more feminine look. 
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o214/ndk5027/other%20work/pixelwarriorchickedit-1.png)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on May 30, 2008, 01:54:02 pm
I made some more small changes:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8891/pixelwarriorchickwip2hr4.png)

The newest sprite is on the far right. Apart from some random changes to the neck and the horns, I tried to address the manliness issue again. I rounded the hips somewhat, but it seems to me that she's got unusually wide hips now. I'm not sure if this is a matter of anatomy or a matter of taste. But her legs look too big for the rest of her body to me now.

Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: PypeBros on May 30, 2008, 02:45:11 pm
it's not that much about her legs to be big, but more about how straight they are. (just my 2cents)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: huZba on May 30, 2008, 03:15:26 pm
It's an okay start, but there's a lot of issues. What's the litgthsource? It seems random. From the top, left, right, below? How is she holding the shield? Are you going to give her a spear? Have you decided what kind of light shines on her?

Lots of things to work on, but i suggest you start pulling it together by giving her a more exciting pose, or just work with the legs a bit. Google around for vikings and maybe you'll get ideas on how to give her more personality too!
Once you have the pose done, try making the different clothes look different enough. Give a distinctly different value for brown parts to lose the flatness. and make metallic parts shinier.

Once you have all that done, then it's time for pixel polish.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: wah_wah_69 on June 07, 2008, 04:45:35 pm
Long hair?
(http://omploader.org/vamNm/longhair.png)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: madf on June 07, 2008, 10:28:45 pm
All stereotypical vikings have braids!!  :yell:

(http://www.anniescostumes.com/fo56623.jpg)

 :hehe:

I like the green on your work. It's calming and nice to look at. And she looks cute too.  :-*
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Rydin on June 08, 2008, 01:46:36 am
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7756/highlightszorzji2.png)

Stronger highlights = metallic look  (i know i just kind of put speculars here and there, but hopefully it illustrates the point)

Also, you might want to reconsider the lighting on the horns--very inconsistent right now.

The rest of my edit was just playing with darks to maybe add a bit more depth....idk though.

Annnnnd, the dither for the pants--it adds texture and everything, but hmmmmmm.

Overall cool piece though ^_^.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Atnas on June 08, 2008, 01:54:14 am
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii201/temporicide/Pixel/Vikingchik.gif)

Is she supposed to be angry?

Changed some things and redid the contour of the leg.

Bent her over a tad.

Messed with her face.

Revamped her hand to look less mitteny.

Hmm, made her legs a bit too long, maybe should have made them skin color, but you'll get the idea.

And don't checker the legs like you did before. It looks awkward. Looks great on the arm, to be honest. Might want to slim the arm down though.

Maybe use striped stockings? :>
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Xion on June 08, 2008, 05:04:16 am
her elbow is a "u". elbows are not "u"s
That's a really weird shield.
Her face hasn't really got much form or shape. It's like a...phlurnff. If that were an actual thing it would be perfect for describing how her face is. But it's not, so I'll say it's...doughy.
I have no idea what's going on with her sleeve.
Her shoes look like...slippers?
her legs are sorta pudgy.
her hat looks more cloth than helmet.


also...


madf: i didn't know you could resize images like that. I was so confused when I zoomed in on it and it became higher res.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on June 08, 2008, 05:24:02 pm
 
Well, I decided to try a different pose and see if the picture is any better just from having a less boring pose. It's still incomplete, obviously, as I haven't shaded most of it, but I think I'm a bit happier with the image overall. But I figure I should post it up here the way it is before I continue with it, just so I can get some more criticism on the pose and shape of the body and such....

[edit:]
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7600/pixelwarriorchickwip3vk6.png)


Yes, I'm completely aware that the weapon just looks like a weird bit of metal pole right now, I don't know if I'll go with a spear, a staff, a sword or something more...interesting... But ah well.

@huZba: The lighting was supposed to be from above, but I guess I just shaded a bit willy-nilly where I felt like it would look interesting. As for the shield, I guess she must only have half an arm, since it just sort of dissapears, or the shield is part of her body?

@madf: I never said this was a stereotypical viking. :P

@Atnas: Nah, she wasn't supposed to be angry. Perhaps moderately dumbfounded. The face could still use some work, add some character to the expression. As it is now, she basically just has FF6 eyes. :D The legs are rather...uhm...over the top. I see your point that the legs are currently rather young girl/boy-ish, but that's perhaps a little much for "warrior". Sorry about the mitten hands, I guess I got lazy.

@Xion: The "u" elbow was unintentional, considering the original outline I drew was for a buff manly-man. Unfortunately I can't do muscle structure at the moment, so I kinda just went for a fluffy girl. Sorry about the wierd shield, I guess it's supposed to be broken off at the bottom. It looks neat, but I'm not sure its worth carrying around. As for the face, I tried to add more form to it in the edit. (If you can call it an edit.)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: madf on June 09, 2008, 11:42:28 pm
Quote from: Xion
also...
madf: i didn't know you could resize images like that. I was so confused when I zoomed in on it and it became higher res.

rofl...   ::)
Googled some random image just to find the braids, but it was too big so I didn't want to flood the thread.


Quote from: garland
@madf: I never said this was a stereotypical viking.  :P

True true, also there's not really such a thing as female stereotypical vikings. Because the women were not like the men at all. I guess you can relate to valkyries instead, but that's another story.


Anyways, about the new pose, It feels like she's fighting something. I like it more, also the face looks alot better. Can't really comment on the body since it's incomplete.

Well, I don't know about the proportions of the legs, guess It'll look better when they are shaded so that I can see the dept.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Anything! on June 10, 2008, 12:13:53 am
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1406/97246683ih4.gif)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on June 25, 2008, 12:34:55 am
A bit of an update:

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2984/pixelwarriorchickwip4ja5.png)

I finally got the time to finish up some shading on this, since I've been gone for the past week to Washington D.C. and New York.

C+C again please.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Ryona on June 25, 2008, 05:14:59 pm
How old is she supposed to be? The straightness of her body makes her look definetly pre-teen.
You need to put her through puberty. Give her some curves.
The most prominant feature of a woman is the shape of her form. Nevermind a pretty face, long hair, feminine dresswear, etc... That stuff is all secondary. The silhouette of a woman should be distinguishable from a distance away.

I'm a little too busy, otherwise I'd show you what I mean with an edit.

*MODIFIED*

Actually, I'll just show one of my sprites for example.
This one is a good example since there's nothing really "girly" about her appearence, yet she appears to be a woman.

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6742/ryonarainekg9.png)
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: JJ Naas on June 25, 2008, 06:46:59 pm
The colour of the helmet still makes me associate with cloth (same colour as her tunic and Link's hat). Maybe you could make it a different colour and add a metallic rim to it?
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: garland on June 26, 2008, 04:08:13 am
Okay, I tried to make her look a bit more feminine... I don't know how well it worked. I still haven't worked with the helmet to make it look more metallic. I'm sure the green color doesn't help too much with the intended material...but I'll try that after I get the body form better.

[edit:]
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7066/pixelwarriorchickwip5mv3.png)

I'm not quite satisfied with how much she looks like a little kid, but I'm also about sick of working on this same thing. :P

C+C.
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: Atnas on July 08, 2008, 04:09:12 pm
Uh oops. I did this edit back in July but it was late so I put it off to the next day... Which never happened. Found it today when I was cleaning out some pixel art folders.  :-[

(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii201/temporicide/Pixel/Vikingchik2.gif)

Basically it's just anatomy. Certainly not perfect, but I hope you get something out of it. Her legs had no shape, no definition. I'd think if she was fast enough to not need leg armor, she'd have some muscles? Or is it the other way around... Either way the legs were coming out of the pelvis wrong.

I also bent her forward a bit, trying to balance her out.

Sorry for the late-ness, I doubt you're still even working on it.  :blind:
Title: Re: New/Old Forum-goer and some fresh-baked pixels
Post by: CaKsTeR on July 08, 2008, 04:45:37 pm
Looks a lot better, but what happened to the shaft of the spear :P