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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Blackbeltdude on September 27, 2007, 11:18:00 pm

Title: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 27, 2007, 11:18:00 pm
Well, this is my first time posting here at Pixelation, and I've heard a lot of good things about it on PixelJoint. (Where some people might have seen me before). And to be honest, looking at some of you guys around here can be quite intimidating. :P That said, this should be an excellent place to get better at anatomy.

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8796/nudestudybw8.png)

This is actually something that I made back at the beginning of the year, and have periodically been tweaking it. I want her features to be a bit exaggerated, but I want them to be accurate too... Also, if you can avoid it, I'd appreciate it if you could restrain from moving the pixels on this sprite while you give crits, because I'd like to do it myself. Otherwise, it's like I didn't make it myself... it's not a terribly big deal, but I'd like to move the pixels myself. :)

And really, my main concern is anatomy, but crits on colors and whatever else comes to mind are appreciated. :)

So, C+C?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 27, 2007, 11:28:29 pm
hips down is massive compared to the upper body and that is creating most of the issues, other than that there's no sense of weight in the right hand and the breasts are rather strangely shaped.

i can edit but i suppose you'ld prefer i didnt so ill wait to see if you need a visual helper
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Rokuji on September 27, 2007, 11:56:52 pm
Hips down is bigger, but it looks good. The upper body i think should be made larger and edited as Adrias mentioned, as it is significantly less good.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 12:04:52 am
I'm not really sure what, "Hips down" means... but it sounds like you're saying the hips are too big, or that the upper body is too small. So, I made the hips smaller:

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4194/nudestudylu8.png)

I also tried to tweak the boobs, but how exactly should they change? What shape should I aim to? (Please don't say boob-shaped. :P) I also moved the arm in, since I think that'll give it more weight... how can I give it more weight?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 28, 2007, 01:28:45 am
quick sketch, im sure somone could pick this to pieces in terms of anatomy too (you may want to just ignore the right arm entirely), but i think it would be a step in the right direction to get the shapes better:

(http://xs319.xs.to/xs319/07395/Mugha.png)

young, perky breasts (nearly all girls under 30) should be shaped like teacups regardless of size, and should generally form an equilateral triangle with the nipples and the pit of the throat (though motion and different poses can alter this of course).  For older women, they begin to collapse and loose roundness above the nipples as well as possibly sagging.



EDIT: you might want to ignore the sketch actually, it's really not very good.  prone poses are very difficult if you do not have a reference.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 01:37:47 am
Oh wow! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! I'll edit the sprite right away. :)

EDIT:

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8053/nudestudytf1.png)

Ok, I think the breasts look more natural now. I also reworked the hand a bit, and moved the right arm so it's more vertical. I also tilted the head up a bit, and changed her hair... I also adjusted the angle of her left arm, and made some subtle shading to the ribs. I think the body is also a bit closer to the ground.

How is it now?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: JJ Naas on September 28, 2007, 09:05:20 am

young, perky breasts (nearly all girls under 30) should be shaped like teacups regardless of size, and should generally form an equilateral triangle with the nipples and the pit of the throat (though motion and different poses can alter this of course).  For older women, they begin to collapse and loose roundness above the nipples as well as possibly sagging.

By the way, there is now in existence a very scientific formula for creating perfect breasts. The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007440346,00.html) has an article with helpful illustrations about the 45/55 % rule. ;)
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: questseeker on September 28, 2007, 02:55:05 pm
EDIT:

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8053/nudestudytf1.png)

Ok, I think the breasts look more natural now.
Before, both breast didn't seem to point down. Now the right breast is gravitationally correct but the left one got worse: it's almost aligned with the navel.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 05:30:42 pm
Ah! Thanks for that great article, JJ Naas!

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6264/nudestudynt5.png)


I moved the nipples, and flattened the stomach. I also moved the left breast to quest seeker's suggestion. I think it flows with gravity a little better now.

C+C?

EDIT: Fixed a dent in a boobie. :P

EDIT 2: Someone suggested I have them hang lower:

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9240/nudestudylowervy3.png)

Is it better if they hang lower?

EDIT 3: Shaded the right side of her chest more:

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5872/nudestudylowercm0.png)

Am I going in the right direction yet?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: AdamAtomic on September 28, 2007, 06:06:22 pm
them's some fakies!!  Both breasts appear to have almost exactly the same shape, despite the fact that she is laying on her side; they should look VERY different...unless of course they are fake.

Here is one example of how the breasts hang different depending on torso orientation and shoulder position: http://www.oceania-ethnographica.com/polyl25.jpg

I would pay more attention to the curvature of the spine, orientation of the shoulders, and general weight of the body, i think Adarias's sketch accomplished all these things very nicely!
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 06:26:11 pm
Hmm... I dunno, Adam. The girl that I'm spriting is definitely younger than that woman you posted. And as was mentioned before, the breasts should act differently according to age. But, I'll do a real quick edit to what I was about to post, and post both of them:

(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1786/nudestudylowersqf3.png)

Here's what I was about to post. It's basically just more dynamic shading I guess... more maybe better use of shadows?

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2572/nudestudylowerhshc7.png)

And here's the boobs hanging a bit more.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Helm on September 28, 2007, 07:05:01 pm
Hello. You're fighting critique. Here is more:

*The breasts are not affected by gravity. They look like a breast-prop.
*Her posture is very strained (yes I laid down on the floor and checked, don't ask me to post a picture topless), I'd say impossible. More of her waist and chest should be touching the ground. Right now her elbow is taking ALL HER WEIGHT on it. Not good.
*The hand that is on the thigh, it's at an impossible angle, seems to suggest a super-long upper and lower arm.
*She has no chin, the neck goes straight to the anime face. I suspect this is a problem in reconcyling a mostly realistic head position with anime-ness. My advice: ditch the anime, or simplify the head position.
*More on the anime face: quite malformed head, unclear what is where and why, a collection of symbols that say 'face' but not a real face.
*Shins way too long.
*Feet completely invented, like you said 'alright, I'll just put blobs there instead of feet'
*segue from chest to pelvis is abrupt and a bit odd. Women have a waist, and it 'breaks' there at such a position, the chest folding on to the soft skin of the waist, at a more drastic angle, and accentuating the curve of the thigh. Right now you have a very stiff, unrealistic straight pelvis-belly and then a ~30 degree rotated chest put on top of it.
*That dark form of pixels under the highlight on the thigh doesn't signify a fold that is realistic.
*Working on a white background = bad
*Selout on back leg = probably bad, but I'll wait until I see it on a non-white background.

You say we can't edit, I won't edit.  :o
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: baccaman21 on September 28, 2007, 07:42:31 pm
can we not just scribble over the top of it?

Helm's picked up on most points... as individual parts taken out of context most parts (except feet and the face) kind of work... but there's some serious breast issues, and a distinct lack of rib cage...

If we can't edit... then humour me.... try this...

Use your cutting tool and cutout the section of upper body that includes:

  - the breasts (and shadow)
  - the left shoulder and upper arm
  -  the head neck and other arm (leaning)

Once you've got this as a brush, slide it left about 8 or 9 pixels... then stamp it down around there... I think that's about the length of lower ribs you're missing...

The left breast the upper one, it's almost touching the naval... and that ain't right...
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 08:43:00 pm
Helm: I'm not trying to fight critique, I think I'm just not getting how gravity should effect the boobs.

Thanks for all the crit though! I tried to address it all. Though, I don't really understand why working on a while background is bad. I suppose it could skew how some of your colors look, but other than that I don't see the harm, so why is it bad?

Anyhow, since you mentioned it, I put it on a dark blue this time.


And I was about to post what I had, then baccaman posted. :P

baccaman: I suppose you could scribble... like some thing very rough. The thing that I don't want to happen is that someone edits it, and makes it pixel perfect. Then when I change it to match, it's pretty much like I didn't do that part, and someone else did.

I thought 8 was a lot, so I moved it Seven pixels over instead. But in doing so, I definitely got more of a feeling that she's got a body, so thanks! :)

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1217/nudestudylowerhsbyp6.png)

The top one is what I did fallowing what Helm said, but looking more at Adam's link.

The middle one is what I did fallowing what Helm said, while trying to keep Naas's link in mind.

The bottom is what I did fallowing what Helm and Baccaman said, using Adam's link. (As I'm thinking that's what you guys might mean).

I left the hand off the bottom one because I was in a bit of a rush to post it before someone else had something to say. (That way you could crit the new sprite, and not the old one). I'm still gonna add it though.

C+C?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ptoing on September 28, 2007, 08:58:31 pm
As far as editing goes, I think you need to learn to distance yourself from your art more and not see it as a violation of yourself when someone edits your stuff to help you.

If you allow people to edit you will gain way more from it than through discription.

You are fixing errrors and making new ones as you go, it's not really getting better.
I am kinda busy so that's it from me for now.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: pkmays on September 28, 2007, 09:11:44 pm
I suppose you could scribble... like some thing very rough. The thing that I don't want to happen is that someone edits it, and makes it pixel perfect. Then when I change it to match, it's pretty much like I didn't do that part, and someone else did.

That's pretty weak man.

You're really tying our hands if we cant even make genuine edits, and it's making the posts way too wordy and redundant. The end result is more important than how you got there. If you're so concerned about everything being 100% original from scratch, it sounds like you've got ego and/or self esteem issues, or something.

Look at the edits, take what you agree with, discard what you don't, add your own touch, and move on to the next piece!

I probably could have sugar coated that more, but really, I think posting this, asking for help on the anatomy, but having a "Hands of my pixels!" policy is seriously weak.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 28, 2007, 09:25:49 pm
Well, I was just saying if you could avoid it. I honestly posted that thinking the first post would be someone who edited it. Frankly, I don't know how this particular forum works. Looking around, it seems that there's a lot of editing that goes around. I think what ptoing said is right; I'll get more out of looking at edit rather than reading the words. I don't think I could claim I have an ego or self esteem issues. :P I'll let you do that if you want, but I don't see the harm in wanting to make the sprites by yourself. (Other than the fact that it's easier to learn visually).

But I'm not going to try to get in an argument here. I can tell that the majority of the spriters here like to edit sprites to give crits, because it's a lot easier than trying to word it. And, since I'm trying to learn here, I have to adapt. So, feel free and edit. :) I'll just take what I can learn, and apply it to a different sprite, and see what happens in the end. (End result is what matters, right?)

Anyhow, here's the hand on her hip:

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6489/nudestudylowerhsbmf8.png)

C+C?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: baccaman21 on September 28, 2007, 09:50:23 pm
That's the ticket...

it's definately getting there with that torso length... perhaps 8 or 9 pixels qwould have been too much but it was only going on guesswork...

Good to hear you've capitulated about edits... It can be harsh sometimes I know seeing your work manipulated by other people and I guess I can see your point about wanting to remake it but not achieve the same result etc etc. But in fairness we're all quite pro about how we do things here and it's in no way a personal criticism... You sound fairly open to change though which is excellent... I think you'll fit right in.

i'd have an edit now but unfortunatly I'm on my new pc and I've not installed any of my apps on here and I can't be bothered to go upstairs and boot up the old one... besides... it's late and there's an article on the TV about amatuer pron that me and missus want to watch... ( ;) )

It's certainly taking shape though...

Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Helm on September 28, 2007, 10:28:40 pm
(http://www.locustleaves.com/girleditanim.gif)

Nonintrusive edit for the rescue. Keep in mind that I'm not an anatomy authority and my edit probably isn't much better than yours in the long run. Better off studying from life.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Mirre on September 28, 2007, 11:41:05 pm
Helm did a really great edit there, but I felt like I wanted to change a few things. Less muscle in arms (it's not as visible on girls), little more belly to go with those curves (we also tend to have less - at least visible - muscles here), and a slight edit of the breasts. I actually tried out the position myself (VERY uncomfortable for the hips, please give the poor girl some cushions to lie on).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Mirre/images/girlmirreeditanim.gif)
Messed up the quality a bit when saving, whoops ^^;
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 28, 2007, 11:55:31 pm
hmm....i believe that the left nipple COULD be in that position, but not necessarily that they WOULD be.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Mirre on September 28, 2007, 11:56:52 pm
Well all women have different types of breasts, so in the end I guess it's all about preference.

EDIT: maybe I should add that my edit was mostly about the belly and hips, not the breasts.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: baccaman21 on September 29, 2007, 12:05:59 am
mirre's is definatly more womanly... I like that slight bulge on the belly... more real... nice.

my wife's having a baby in 4 weeks and her belly USED to look like that... it's a bit bigger now though...
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 29, 2007, 12:07:10 am
four WEEKS?  i can imagine....congratulations!

/OT
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 29, 2007, 12:17:29 am
baccman: Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. :)

Helm: Whoo! FTW! Nice idea! Thanks for taking the time to draw that! :) As soon as I saw it I started to modify my sprite... Then Mirre posted right when I was about to post.

Mirre: Whoo! Also FTW! I also noticed the crossed-eyed nipples that Adarias pointed out, but I think I've seen paintings and things where they look like that... Like you said in your next post, it's pretty subjective.

I also agree with what baccman said in his last post. (Congrats on the baby BTW. :P) I see Helm's as something closer to something I'd see in a comic book, while Mirre's seems more womanly.

Either way, since I did both, I'll post both:

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6056/reqworedoh8.png)

The top is my take on Helm's fixes, and the bottom is my take on Mirre's. I like Mirre's a bit better because she still looks thin, but doesn't look TOO thin. (Though, on either of them, I'd wager I have to tweak the nipples a bit. Actually, I'm sure of it, so I'll go tweak them after I finish posting this...) I also adjusted her hair to be about neck length; I really only did that because I don't want a dark hair-colored spot near her arm pit. :P I also turned her head and gave her a toothy smile. (It's pretty exaggerated though). I'm sure I'll tweak the head more too.

C+C?


EDIT: Tweaked the nipples, hair, and an eyelash:

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2797/reqwored2ie9.png)



Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Helm on September 29, 2007, 12:22:55 am
Quote
I see Helm's as something closer to something I'd see in a comic book

 >:(

I won't take offense to that as I am a comic book artist, but I'd like to say you will almost never see actual thoraxes, normal waists and pelvises with actual pelvic bones (like I tried to draw) in them in american mainstream superhero comics. I also prefer Mirre's edit of the belly lots and lots of course, just saying.

Avoid those staircase lines on the right arm (ours), avoid strict lines for this sort of curvy thing that a woman reportedly is (I don't know, I've never met any), and if you absolutely have to have a 45 degree line, do it like you did the hip line, fake a subpixel curve by brightening and lightening the outline pixels.

Green-yellow tint on darker flesh shades is probably the absolute worst thint could use for inviting girl flesh.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Mirre on September 29, 2007, 12:29:36 am
You are making good improvements so far. Great to see that you really make use of the c&c!

Green-yellow tint on darker flesh shades is probably the absolute worst thint could use for inviting girl flesh.
Agreed. Go with something red-brownish or purplish instead.


And congratulations to baccaman21 and his wife!
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: baccaman21 on September 29, 2007, 12:34:04 am
colours asides... it's looking remarkably better now... AND you've got the clavicles down nice too... (most attractive bone in the body IMO - especially on a woman)

I usually say this to all anatomy posts so why change the habit...? you need to SEE through the flesh, and visualise the skeletal structure underneath, and work from the inside out... helm and Mirre edits helped with this but I know Helm works like that anyway so that's been reflected in your latest rendition... but it's a good lesson for you take on board... your first example showed this lack of underlying knowledge... (no disrespect)

so... good tip for figurative form... get a pencil, get a skeleton, and sketch it... (probably easier siad than done... but it does help... [I used to have a full size one - but before that I used to use a smaller model of one])

(oh and practise feet and hands too)

good work fella...

and with that... I'm off to bed.

l8r's!
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Helm on September 29, 2007, 12:40:46 am
Yes it's a bit dull, but learning to draw a skeleton, then a skeleton with fat and tendon tissue on it, and finally a skeleton with tendon tissue, fat and a skin on top is something any artist that does anatomical work needs to do at some point. A... lot of times.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 29, 2007, 12:46:47 am
Helm: Haha, I'm sorry! I didn't intend for it to be offending in any way. :) That's a good suggestion about the arm, Thanks! :) I've also adjusted the skin tones.

Mirre: Thanks! But I couldn't get this far if you guys didn't take the time to help. So, thanks again. :)

I went with a more red/brown tone for the shadows this time, but I'll probably keep experimenting. (Purple sounds cool).

baccaman: Thanks again! :) (And like I said to Mirre, if it wasn't for you guys, it wouldn't be as good as it is now).

Thanks for the anatomy tip too! I've never really thought about doing that way. Sometimes I'm aware of the muscles, but I usually forget about how they work with the bones... I need to take an anatomy class, and buy some books.

I've sketched skeletons before, and even muscles but it was... maybe a year ago when I did that. I know that I've got to practice, but I don't draw as much as I used to. I really should do it more often.

I also find feet and hands a bit of a nuisance, so I'll start to draw a lot of those.

Thanks again. :)

Helm: Heh, that's probably why I haven't done it in so long... and even then, I only did it a handful of times before hand. I'll definitely try to do it more often now.


Anyhow, here's the revised sprite:

(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3314/reqwored2op3.png)

C+C?

EDIT:

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2775/reqwored2altiq4.png)

Here's an alternate color. I like this one better than the other colors. I get a better sense of depth from these.

C+C?
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Feron on September 29, 2007, 11:23:46 am
great progress from original.  did a small color edit and mouth and eyes...

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5496/editzzzzrk0.png)

EDIT: just realised... she has no noes!
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: 8bitty on September 29, 2007, 12:13:29 pm
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4971/blackbelteb1.png)

a slight colour edit, and tweaking of the face and feet. tis very nice! :y:
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: bluknight on September 29, 2007, 12:39:44 pm
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4971/blackbelteb1.png)

a slight colour edit, and tweaking of the face and feet. tis very nice! :y:

Your edit seems to have completely changed her expression. She is no longer happy in yours.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Skull on September 29, 2007, 02:03:03 pm
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4971/blackbelteb1.png)

a slight colour edit, and tweaking of the face and feet. tis very nice! :y:

Your edit seems to have completely changed her expression. She is no longer happy in yours.

She's tired of all the edits..     :D

I think your new colour scheme is much more interesting. The other had almost a tint of green.. good for old fashioned looks but maybe not for this.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 29, 2007, 08:10:55 pm
Feron: Thanks, I'll lighten up the side of her face like you did, but I think I want to keep the toothy smile.

8bitty: Ooooo, that IS a nice color change... It seems more natural, but I kinda like the contrast with the darker purple I picked. Makes the lighting seem more dynamic to me I guess. Heh, but you did change the cheery expression to a, "meh" expression. XD Simplifying the foot is a good idea though.

bluknight: I agree... >.>

Skull: Heh, she could be tired of edits.

Which color scheme do you mean? The one 8Bitty used, or the one with darker purple? But agree about the tint of green. Really, I think the colors got a little funky from making the background transparent... For some weird reason, when I did that, parts of her also turned semi-transparent, changing the colors. I think you can see what I mean if you look at the first post of the sprite, then the second and so on.


Anyhow, with all the stuff you guys nicely pointed out to me, I changed her again:

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9593/reqwored2altnu1.png)

I still like that toothy smile, but I think the shape it's in is better now. It could still use more refining though, so I did this:

(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9310/reqwored2altaltcn4.png)

I think you can see this smile easier from X1 zoom. Which is better?

C+C?

Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 29, 2007, 08:36:43 pm
off to class so no time to word this nicer:

still has major size arguments, particularly in the head and shoulders and her right hand.  feet make *more* sense, but still not much.  legs still take up about 65% of the whole.  what you're trying to do with the left arm is not natural or comfortable or artistically satisfying.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on September 30, 2007, 12:16:27 am
Hummm...

Well, I didn't see a problem with the fist she was leaning on... but I thought I'd change it to an open hand and see if that looks more comfy. I've also tried to fix up the feet again. I'm not sure what you mean about the hand on her hip and the legs though...

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1265/reqwored2altaltic2.png)

C+C?

Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on September 30, 2007, 01:11:25 am
try to find a girl lying in this pose and if she eventually gets it the way you've drawn it (which will already require breaking/shortening some bones) she'll tell you that it's pinching her lungs and spine.  the legs should only take up half of the body, yet in yours they are still huge comparatively.  if it helps to see, rotate her 90 degrees and pretend she is jumping.  there are still all sorts of size arguments between the wrist (actually, neither of the wrists are properly developed, you've just got a noodle from the elbow to hand), the shoulders, the face (which has no shape - it's like a balloon with features drawn on).

normally i would not point out these things with such importance but you've asked for anatomy crits.


I cannot repeat this enough: IF YOU DO NOT WORK ANATOMY FROM A REFERENCE YOU WILL ONLY EVER FUCK THINGS UP MORE FOR YOURSELF.  GET A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER TO LIE FOR YOU LONG ENOUGH TO GET A FEW PICTURES.
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: Blackbeltdude on October 01, 2007, 12:01:24 pm
I think the most important part you said was how I need a proper reference for this sprite. And since I don't have one, I think I'll just call what I've got now done, and take what I've applied from this, and use it on another sprite. But this time, I'll use a reference. ;) (I'll just stick to the exaggeration that this sprite gives).

Thanks for all the crits everyone, I really appreciated it, and I'll make sure that the next anatomy heavy sprite I do includes all that you mentioned! :)

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/766/reqwored2altaltwk4.png)
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: ndchristie on October 01, 2007, 12:27:34 pm
if the pose is possible, there's no such thing as not having a reference, but that's a conversation for a different thread.

this sprite came a long way, you should be proud of it! congrats!
Title: Re: [NUDE] Help with anatomy?
Post by: The B.O.B. on October 01, 2007, 11:42:39 pm
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n118/TheBoBslow/pixeljointstuff-7.png)

Been watching this for a while. I've been irking to edit it, but you seemed against it in the beginning. Our nagging prevailed!!!

Pretty much I'll just ditto what's been said. I for one, am not keen with the anime aspect of the poor girl. I tried adding more shine, tried giving gravity a go with her breasts, and tried to emphasize stress on the parts of her ribs, since she's in an uncomfortable position. I left the feet alone( though they should be changed), and you really don't have to care about her hair. Also closed her mouth, as the brightest color in this piece isn't readable as pearly white smile. I also gave her some curves and mature hair in places that would realistically be there...Sorry if I wasn't supposed to edit it, it's just sometimes people need to literally SEE things from a different perspective, rather than hear them...