Post by: Panda on June 14, 2007, 11:15:23 am
Well, you know how it works, keep it clean, don't spam, behave and all.
As a side note, I declare the previous OT thread the most nostalgic one ever >:0!
Post by: miascugh on June 14, 2007, 11:18:28 am
Post by: Snippa on June 14, 2007, 11:19:40 am
As a side note, I declare the previous OT thread the most nostalgic one ever >:0!Cuz of all the legos talk right? RIGHT?
Post by: miascugh on June 14, 2007, 11:22:10 am
Post by: Snippa on June 14, 2007, 11:24:30 am
This is the doner thread snippa, next one to go off-topic will get a strike !yus!fine, kill the thread then! geez.. this could have been a legendary thread for once.. :blind:
Post by: miascugh on June 14, 2007, 11:24:54 am
Post by: Panda on June 14, 2007, 11:28:13 am
As a side note, I declare the previous OT thread the most nostalgic one ever >:0!Cuz of all the legos talk right? RIGHT?
Yes, and the trading card games, and K-nex and stuff.
But nonetheless, A WINNER IS YOU.
As for prepacked Döner, I've never had any.
Post by: Snippa on June 14, 2007, 11:31:01 am
I guess it's pretty popular in Germany though. - Döner in general I mean.
Post by: dragonrc on June 14, 2007, 11:50:26 am
Post by: Opacus on June 14, 2007, 11:58:24 am
Post by: Panda on June 14, 2007, 12:37:25 pm
Haven't had any proper since like 3 years ago
...but soon >:0!
Also I just got some tickets for the Ghibli Museum, whee.
Post by: Gil on June 14, 2007, 12:37:42 pm
Döner kebab owns you!
Post by: Stwelin on June 14, 2007, 02:04:12 pm
*hara-kiri*
-gack- wait! what? donER!?! I could have sworn he said donOR!
:hehe:
Post by: Mr.Modem on June 14, 2007, 02:44:10 pm
To all nintendo fanboys here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQNbPWM4ZM
Pretty funny...
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 14, 2007, 04:07:24 pm
Post by: Xion on June 14, 2007, 06:28:52 pm
Lucky Panda, wot, with the Ghibli and all.
Post by: Feron on June 14, 2007, 06:33:09 pm
i like kebabs, especially when the're chicken with bbq sauce.
woot on the new thread!
Post by: Xion on June 14, 2007, 06:44:04 pm
So I'm going on a mission to the foothills of the Sierra Nevada in July, for a week.
Post by: Cow on June 15, 2007, 02:14:18 am
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Post by: .TakaM on June 15, 2007, 02:21:48 am
(http://www.margaret-marks.com/Transblawg/archives/doen2w.jpg)isn't that food really dangerous? I remember seeing some warning about that kebab thing (or something that looks exactly the same) because they just keep piling meat on, and the closer you get to the center, the older the meat gets, usually rotten
Döner kebab owns you!
Post by: Panda on June 15, 2007, 06:40:02 am
But alas, I dont know much about kebab cooking.
Post by: Darien on June 15, 2007, 07:52:42 am
ww.pixel-arts.org (http://ww.pixel-arts.org)
Anyone know what this is about?
Post by: Snippa on June 15, 2007, 08:29:07 am
I made a typo:error page?
ww.pixel-arts.org (http://ww.pixel-arts.org)
Anyone know what this is about?
Post by: Feron on June 15, 2007, 08:40:49 am
I made a typo:
ww.pixel-arts.org (http://ww.pixel-arts.org)
Anyone know what this is about?
i have seen this before, cant remember how i got to it though...
Post by: Frychiko on June 15, 2007, 09:20:20 am
Post by: Gil on June 15, 2007, 03:11:05 pm
isn't that food really dangerous? I remember seeing some warning about that kebab thing (or something that looks exactly the same) because they just keep piling meat on, and the closer you get to the center, the older the meat gets, usually rotten
If you go grab a kebab 3am in the morning and you get the latest of the roll, it can happen you get some very nasty stomac aches. I have been there :hehe:.
They change the rolls daily here though, people buy that much kebab around here...
Post by: Gil on June 15, 2007, 05:38:38 pm
After I stopped posting anything remotely rude, he found it nice to look for my posts that could be rude if you look at them in a sort of way, you know? He was so nice as to PM me again about this issue.
So, he said: "One more time and I'm taking you down". This is this one more time. I'll end it with a nice "Panda, screw you, I don't care about you or your jerk attitude". I hope he has at least the decency not to delete this post, so everyone can see why I left...
Bye bye Pixelation, I loved being here.
Post by: Snippa on June 15, 2007, 05:41:09 pm
Post by: ndchristie on June 15, 2007, 05:43:25 pm
Post by: Gil on June 15, 2007, 05:46:09 pm
BTW:
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Well, if you have anything against how this have been set up, don't vote at all, I couldn't care the less.
Posts like this deserve a strike too if you follow the rules the way you apply them to me...
Post by: Panda on June 15, 2007, 05:52:36 pm
What I simply don't want is you to act like an ass.
You had enough already, so any minimal jerky act could cost you a strike. Why? because you went too far already.
Yes I saw you tried to change, and I'm happy for that. But all I did this time was warn you.
But heh, if you wanna leave, I'm not stopping you.
Also about that post, I thought I explained what I meant, but ah well. If it makes you feel happy feel free to pick on it.
Post by: Feron on June 15, 2007, 05:58:04 pm
Panda made sure of that, no one else to thank for this one.
Shouldn't mods be welcolming members not driving them away. Losing gil is like losing a limb, he's been here longer than practically all the other members, and i think its wrong that he's been targetted with strikes and postal deletion. Gil quite obviously cares about this community and pushing him away because certain people mis-interpret his posts is quite frankly a load of shit.
Quote from: Panda
One more time and I'm taking you downWow, aren't you the big man with all the power.
Bye bye Pixelation, I loved being here.most of us loved you to kill, unfortunatley there are some that don't.
Post by: Xion on June 15, 2007, 06:07:09 pm
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 15, 2007, 06:16:32 pm
This certainly doesn't bode well.
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 15, 2007, 06:28:41 pm
"This picture is terrible; you need to go back to the basics and do a lot of thinking and studying and practicing before you'll be able to advance."
Not terribly polite, and a bit presumptuous, but hey in a lot of cases its probably right, and a member will probably not get a warning for saying this in the right circumstances. However, this:
"This picture is awful. Thanks for wasting our time; don't bother posting here until you've gone back to the basics."
EDIT - this is not a real post by gil, just an example of the tone of many of his posts that have resulted in deletions and warnings via PM
Thanks for wasting "our" time? It seems like a small thing, but stuff like this, to a new poster, can be a real turnoff, and make them think this is an elitist community of already-awesome pixelers, rather than a place that can help provide inspiration and information for aspiring artists at any skill level (like myself - when I came here a year or two ago I was baaaaaad). You will never see a moderator post something like this, and when members post things like this, that appear to the average newbie to possibly be of some official capacity...well that can earn you a warning pretty easily. And in gil's case things like this have been going on for a year, with little improvement in attitude, despite some improvement in actual post content.
Long story short, making counterproductive posts that step on the mods' toes is not going to endear you to anyone here, especially when its on a regular basis for months on end. Giving those mods attitude every time they call you out for being an ass is probably not going to help anything either. Being an ass and having an attitude is likely going to color mods' perceptions of your posts as well; I don't see how it can't. So I don't know what the problem and the surprise are here.
If you feel the need to leave, AND to make a scene about leaving in the hopes that it will inspire some kind of reactionary revolution...cuz that happens all the time on the internets...well, you do what you have to in order to feel better. But don't you think if this was a problem with the mods, there would be more users being subjected to the same treatment? Or is this all a big conspiracy?
Post by: Panda on June 15, 2007, 06:58:11 pm
Panda made sure of that, no one else to thank for this one.
Shouldn't mods be welcolming members not driving them away. Losing gil is like losing a limb, he's been here longer than practically all the other members, and i think its wrong that he's been targetted with strikes and postal deletion. Gil quite obviously cares about this community and pushing him away because certain people mis-interpret his posts is quite frankly a load of shit.Quote from: PandaOne more time and I'm taking you downWow, aren't you the big man with all the power.Bye bye Pixelation, I loved being here.most of us loved you to kill, unfortunatley there are some that don't.
Losing Gil is like losing a limb? For you I guess.
He has not been targeted with warnings and strikes because we wanted, but he earned them himself (why waste my free time?). What makes him so superior to other members that he can go without any warning after being an ass?
I think we haven't been strict at all, as it hasn't been a single post strike thing, but something that has been building up for quite a long time, he has crossed the line too many times. Then again you wouldn't know as we have been keeping this place as clean as we could, but whatever.
Today I simply warned him since he was posting something of a jerky nature, because next time he acted like an ass he would get another strike and get banned, yet he decided to turn everything into a drama (why would I turn anything into a drama myself? again, to waste my free time?) and started telling me about my GRAND job and how he has posted 20times more critique than me (forgetting how he has been an ass for about the same amount).
About welcoming members, I don't think I have acted like Gil in that duty. I haven't acted like an ass for no reason at all. I've been treating new comers and old members alike.
And you would have loved him to kill? Now isn't that ironic after the statement before? This place is not about owning anyone, it is about helping and improving.
But anyway, since he is leaving on his own, why keep talking about it.
Post by: robalan on June 15, 2007, 07:06:45 pm
On a more off topic: badly written sentences are funny! http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/ http://adamcadre.ac/lyttle.html
Post by: Snippa on June 15, 2007, 07:28:36 pm
as if it wasn't bad enough that things look blurry 5 feet away from me without my glasses, when I play mkds things on my monitor look blurry :yell:
Post by: ndchristie on June 15, 2007, 07:53:39 pm
Drama happens, particularly when i think the majority of us are between 15 and 25. I've butted heads with a couple of people over matters which are not always as significant in reality as they might have seemed at the time. To my knowledge, these have been sorted out and smoothed (unless theres anyone out there hiding a grudge :P).
My point is, infrequent headbuttings and misunderstandings are not a reason to have someone forcefully removed......but highly frequent headbuttings might be. Still, I'm no scholar of gil's or panda's activities, i couldn't really tell you who might have brought it about.
Gil - i think it's a shame that you feel pressured to leave, and i think it's a shame that you should actually would go about actually leaving.
BTW, what other prominent members leave in a huff? I know that people have made a fuss, but their visits are often short (and their contributions underwhelming). It's a rare occurrence, i think, for someone with a number of years and a good head on their shoulders to leave the place (it's sort of a place...?) all pissed off.
Post by: Rox on June 15, 2007, 09:53:40 pm
Speaking of rules. Guitar Hero 2 is really pumping my ego. I got several new best scores today. I just need to get a 5* rating on any song on Expert, on the last set list... and I'm happy. I'm also lacking 5* scores on the 6th list (third to last), but I managed to get 4* on all the songs there so I'm kinda pleased with that for now. The 7th set list was easy to get a 5* score on. It's got YYZ after all.
I get five stars on that damn song every time I play it, no matter how badly I mess up.
Post by: Faceless on June 16, 2007, 01:49:38 am
You say you're being singled out. Perhaps this is because you ARE the worst offender? I have managed not to butt heads with the moderators, as have the majority of other members on these boards, and I am not always positive about peoples' work. You seem to go out of your way to post something extremely negative, and not at all constructive every time you see something that you percieve to be below some imaginary standard you have invented that is required to be an active member of Pixelation.
I have seen Helm on occasion say to members that they would benefit to learn the basics before trying to experiment further with pixel art, but he has always appeared friendly and genuinely helpful when doing so. The problem is not what you are saying, as what you say in AdamA's examples could very well be valid, and is very similar to the advice Helm has given on occasion. The difference is your posts are demoralising. Some of these people are 11, 12, 13 years old, and they don't deserve to be put down like that for trying something new.
I have a younger brother who is only 10 and whilst he isn't particularly talented at drawing for his age, he is very enthuesiastic about learning to get better, and deserves the chance to improve without negativity being thrown at him. It is a right that should be extended to everyone on these boards. Not everyone is trying to make a living off of Pixel Art. For some it is just a hobby, and that has to be respected as well. Not everybody can be the next Da Vinci. They see something that inspires them, and so they want to do it too, and you damn them for it.
The fact is I've been around on Pixelation for a long time as well, I'm not sure about our exact join dates, but possibly as long or longer than you, and the first thoughts that come to mind when I think of you and your posts are of someone who thinks he's somehow better than the newer members here.
If Gil was ever a limb, he is a festering one now.
(It isn't nice to hear others being so negative about you is it? Bare that in mind.)
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 02:39:48 am
Quote from: Gil
About your post calling me an ass in Zee's thread:
You have no right to call me out, as you aren't a mod. My comment was very polite, I just told Zee that the edit was bad, which it is. Draco didn't take it bad, neither should you.
Also, Feron's comment on that edit was a lot harsher than mine.
Quote from: Gil
Look, I could care less about your pathetic person, it's not like you ever did anything for this community, except for providing us some dumb spam to read...
And I couldn't care less about your opinion, because after my strike, multiple people contacted me to say they strongly dissagree and that they consider me a valuable member. People who have been member for a lot longer than you are. I just thought you might want to know a little more about the story before you spout your mouth on the subject.
In any case, I hope you find a lovely little community elsewhere that appreciates you and your pretentious, egotistical attitude. I hope that when you find such a place, you feel welcome when the resident oldbie asshole shits on your head, just as you have the newcomers of ours.
edit: sorry about not being able to post my own PMs in this conversation. Not trying to hide the fact that i was also harsh, but the forum's software doesn't seem to archive outgoing messages, feel free to post my half if you're still kicking around, Gil.
Post by: Zolthorg on June 16, 2007, 02:49:19 am
The correct connotation is "Could care less."
Post by: Gil on June 16, 2007, 02:55:12 am
1. Faceless should get a strike for that post. Whoever he's talking to, you can't just post that and get away with it. I didn't even post anything half that rude to get my strikes. Plus, it's obviously a way to start a flame war
2. Stwellin, that's very low. Those PMs are confidential, and you surely forgot to mention that I sent that after I had sent you a polite PM, to which you replied with this total jerk comment:
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I really don't care about your sob story. Sorry the mods dislike your attitude now, and sorry that you are being punished for doing a civil duty. (read: asshole.)
Don't belittle me by saying that "i don't really understand what's going on." I'm not digging for a big story here, or anything about your past, i just hate the way you talk towards people! Get a grip, man.
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 02:59:33 am
Quote from: Gil
Stwellin, that's very low. Those PMs are confidential, and you surely forgot to mention that I sent that after I had sent you a polite PM
Quote from: stwelin
Not trying to hide the fact that i was also harsh, but the forum's software doesn't seem to archive outgoing messages, feel free to post my half if you're still kicking around, Gil.
Well... it would appear you have a real stranglehold on that whole ordeal known as reading, eh?
--
Anyway, I'd like to direct anyone interested over to shmup-dev.com , as they've started their second round of shmup development for the year 2007 with a whole new theme. Anyone proficient in game artwork, programming, or that just likes shmups should definitely check it out.. I myself will be participating, just wanted to make sure it didn't pass under anyone's radar, there appear to be a lot more entries this time. The more the merrier.
Post by: Gil on June 16, 2007, 03:02:50 am
There's a difference between harsh and that PM you sent me. The difference is common decency.
It's also common decency to let me leave in peace, instead of flamebating me back. I said I didn't want a fuss, yet you are creating one...
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 03:09:18 am
In any case, good riddance. I didn't know you well at all, so I cannot say there is anything i will feel like I am missing, but I am sorry to those who feel the community will be lesser without you.
Post by: Tenshi on June 16, 2007, 03:11:25 am
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 03:14:57 am
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 03:16:45 am
Uh...Uh...
How 'bout that new Batman movie?
Post by: Mori on June 16, 2007, 03:19:02 am
So, what part of "private message" does the P not relate to in 'PM'? I think that's kind of rude, especially considering the only purpose it can possibly serve is to personally attack him in the public and attempt to further discredit. Personal attacks like this are better off remaining in /private/ messages.
Gil's a good guy. He can be pretty harsh at times and isn't one to mince words, which can lead to some misunderstandings of the nature of his messages, but to go to this extent and oust him because he's "being mean"? I thought the #1 rule of Pixelation was: "Don't be an ass". Flame threads such as this do nothing but show the asinine nature of all involved (yes, myself included, as I'm further enticing the thread (though hoping for a conclusion sooner than later)).
What may be the best for this thread is a lock and warning from a neutral moderator saying anything further should be taken up in PM. Warnings should be issued to those that have attacked others.
Although I guess some mods might be upset that someone without any moderator privileges would dare to give an honest and hopefully-unbiased disclosure idea...
Post by: Blick on June 16, 2007, 03:24:13 am
Post by: sharprm on June 16, 2007, 03:34:51 am
Some people post such crappy art. Nice people try really hard to improve it. Some people have trouble actually seeing what is wrong with their stuff and don’t use the edits. And it just goes on and on …
I hope people understand what kind of threads I’m talking about. In the end someone says the obvious thing: you need to practice drawing a lot to improve, critique is a waste of time. What, then, is the point in encouraging young newcomers? If it’s going to take them years improving on their own, why not discourage them from posting?
My brother was the opposite of faceless, he was like, ‘this is shit, look how big his head is, he looks retarded!’. It might not be the hippie love type message faceless and Panda like but at least I knew why things looked bad so I could improve.
Gil should be given moderator status. Gil then would be above the rules. There is an imaginary line of quality and Gil could enforce it. Otherwise you will get a lot of people posting crap and then critiquing other peoples crap and saying “you need to try dithering cos I read it somewhere” even though that wouldn’t help at all.
Take Chigasm’s thread. There was a pyramid. Then a hotel with an aquarium. Then a necomer posted a piece of art he made: a pyramid hotel filled with water. IT’S THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND I TELL YOU!
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 16, 2007, 03:55:05 am
As for giving Gil moderator status...I hope you were being sarcastic. I really do!
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 16, 2007, 04:00:32 am
Any who, Xion I've seen some leaked photos of Heath Ledger as Joker...They look aight, I guess, but I'm more afraid as how he'll portray him...(gonna' be tuff to beat that staple of a job, by Jack Nicholson...)
Post by: Zolthorg on June 16, 2007, 04:07:08 am
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 04:11:27 am
Oh, and what's the deal with the Wachowski bros. doing a Speed Racer remake?
--edit: pyramid hotels inside aquariums should be the theme for the next pixeljoint challenge.
Post by: Zolthorg on June 16, 2007, 04:12:27 am
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 04:13:03 am
If someone isn't that good at pixelling, they should feel like they've come to the right place to remedy that. If they don't take the crits being given, then just leave 'em alone, if you like.
In the old FAQ, wasn't there something that said when giving crits try to point out what you like along with what you dislike. So give the good with the bad, as sort of a buffer to discourage discouragement that may have been brought on by the actual crits. At least I think it said something like that.
But w/e.
Yeah, B.O.B, I was thinking that too.
Zolthrrrggg:
Es perfecto!
Damn, how fast do you peeps type?
Post by: Zolthorg on June 16, 2007, 04:22:50 am
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 16, 2007, 04:28:46 am
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I CAN'T WAIT FOR LOST SEASON 4
Augh, I hate that cliffhanger. THERE WERE UNRESOLVED ISSUES, WHY'D THEY GO AND DO THAT!?
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 04:32:28 am
Post by: .TakaM on June 16, 2007, 04:35:59 am
I CAN'T WAIT FOR LOST SEASON 4the ending of season 3 was so good it was almost worth sticking through season 3... but if the first episode of season 4 is anything like season 3, I'm cutting it off like a diseased hand :mean:
and, I'm facing a bit of a dilemma, my friend and I almost have the second Twinsen demo prepared, and if all continues to go smoothly, we should have everything finished within the next few days, except for one thing
customizable keys..
The default set up on Twinsen got a few complaints, and most were happy to see we planned to have customizable keys, I told everyone to expect them a reality in the next demo, but they just aren't done yet.
to make matters worse, my coder is leaving for about a week, and he will not be able to get them done before he goes, so we either release the demo without customizable keys, people deal with the default keys, and we deal with the complaints.
or we hold it back another week or so and save one less complaint for us to deal with.
For me, the choice is obvious, to hold it an extra week and allow custom keys.. but there are some people that wouldn't care if it gave them cancer, they just want it now.. :-\
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 16, 2007, 04:38:39 am
Criticism should not make fun of or berate the artwork or more importantly the artist.
Advice should not be condescending.
Above all, guidance should always be given; the most constructive criticism you can give is a suggestion.
NEVER tell someone that they should stop working on their art.
NEVER tell someone that they can't be good enough.
As I said, it's not a very fine line. It's about 3 feet wide, and painted in day-glo yellow, and covered with sirens and reflective tape.
@Takam: Wait!! But don't wait forever - set a firm list of the features you want and stick to it, but DON'T go over! Can't wait to see it in action :D
Post by: Gil on June 16, 2007, 04:45:10 am
Also, there is no doubt that I have in fact given TONS of really nice and good advice too...
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 04:45:49 am
Lookin' forward to it. :)
Post by: Darien on June 16, 2007, 05:20:04 am
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE.
The correct connotation is "Could care less."
No it's not. Read your Strunk and White.
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 06:40:21 am
Any who, Xion I've seen some leaked photos of Heath Ledger as Joker...They look aight, I guess, but I'm more afraid as how he'll portray him...(gonna' be tuff to beat that staple of a job, by Jack Nicholson...)From what I heard, the guy knows (or knew) absolutely nothing about the Joker, never saw the first batman movie, never read the comics.
It's amazing that he got the job. Jack was perfect as the Joker imo.
@.TakaM:
It wouldn't hurt to postpone the demo a week. Take a look at Blizzard, they postpone releases of pretty much anything to make sure that they release a quality product.
Whether it's a minor patch, major patch, beta, expansion, or a first release.
If you can get those custom keys set up quickly once your coder gets back, then it shouldn't hurt.
I would say to talk with him and figure out how long he thinks it will take to set them up. If it is going to take too long then go ahead and release the demo and then update it whenever the custom keys are done.
@Stwelin: I thought I heard the series was over? *shrug* I don't really pay attention to the Sopranos, never watched it.
Post by: .TakaM on June 16, 2007, 07:11:49 am
Takam: has the gameplay smoothened out over the past few months? I haven't been keeping track of Twinsen, but from the gif you posted of the gameplay, it appears more friendly. I could not get a grip on the controls for the life of me when the first playable demo was released. Also, I fancy myself a GML linguist, and if you really want, i would be more than happy to lend a helping hand if you are that anxious to get a demo out this week with customizable controls (even though it is not that crucial of an aspect). However, it's more likely that your programmer doesn't want me botching his scripts, which is of course reasonable. GML isn't hard to pick up, i'd dare to say you'd probably be able to figure out the basic premise for implementing customizable keys in a day or two if you lurked in the right places over at the game maker community forums.I like to think it's been smoothened out, the controls are more versatile, but its a bit hard for me to gauge as I've mastered every reiteration of the controls :P
Lookin' forward to it. :)
plus I use a nice old snes controller with joy2key :-*
thanks guys, I feel confident in delaying it a week now, I was gonna check if a friend of mine could do the custom keys while he's away, but he said he wouldn't have figured out the coding before he gets back anyways :P
Post by: fawel on June 16, 2007, 07:18:16 am
For you Batman guys, have you seen the new batsuit (http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/batmansuitlarge.jpg) yet?
Looks very cool :)
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 07:49:47 am
My mum is an auditor for "Lost."Euhh...I'm no fan of the new suit.
For you Batman guys, have you seen the new batsuit (http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/batmansuitlarge.jpg) yet?
Looks very cool :)
TakaM: I can't wait, but I'll wait.
Post by: Panda on June 16, 2007, 08:28:04 am
If we were giving a strike for every rude comment given, you'd have at least 50 by now. Your first strike was after many things build up, and being rude to Hawk was the last straw that broke the camel's back. Stop mentioning the "whoever should get a strike for this" as it won't lead you anywhere.
Well, now isn't it funny? Yesterday I PM'd you politely and you simply started with your drama all by yourself, posting on the OT thread about you leaving, and then only posting the parts that were juicy for you from my PMs (like the "next time you are going down" leaving the "I just warned you" part)
If you wanted to leave in peace, why did you even start this whole thing? If you care so much about the community, why would you do such a thing?
You are simply so proud of yourself and your past "tons of good CC" to a point where you believe that it makes up for whatever you do. And having people pointing otherwise makes you itch.
Common decency you say? Do you ever apply it before posting like an ass?
All the things you are mentioning here to defend yourself, could be perfectly used against you aswell.
But anyway, I just had enough with you, and to tell you the truth, you are not worth my free time.
If you are leaving, just go.
sharprm: I never said it was only a place to help new comers. I said it was a place for helping and improving.
Also Gil a mod? Haha that's a good one.
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 08:44:33 am
Take it to pms, quit poisoning the community with your drama, we don't want it.
I don't care who started it, or what else either of you think you need to say, you can both keep it to pms if you really feel either of you need to say something.
Post by: Panda on June 16, 2007, 08:51:26 am
Anyway, is anyone going to get Zelda DS as soon as it comes?
I'm kinda looking forward to it, though I wish you had d-pad control.
Post by: Helm on June 16, 2007, 09:26:47 am
Not only are some people discussing this out in the open, feeding the drama, a few old users have come out of wherever they've been hiding to post their opinions on the matter. That's a bit strange.
Gil is banned now, for a year. Hammer of justice crushes him, overpower. All that. That's the end of that. If any of you want to discuss it further, okay, but please try to keep it civil. Because someone was banned doesn't mean we now get to be an ass to them for the hell of it. We'll miss Gil's constructive critique, but we won't miss his behaviour problems. Perhaps a year from now things will have fixed themselves.
Stwelin, it's really really bad form to post PMs without the permission of the other guy. Please don't do that again.
Mori, Tenshi, hello. Maybe stick around and post some critique? That will surely enhance pixelation much more than internet drama.
Post by: Feron on June 16, 2007, 09:52:22 am
Post by: .TakaM on June 16, 2007, 09:56:13 am
Yes, yes, my bad for this, but I had to reply.I'm kinda looking forward to it, the controls don't worry me at all, but the graphics do.
Anyway, is anyone going to get Zelda DS as soon as it comes?
I'm kinda looking forward to it, though I wish you had d-pad control.
they have improved a bit lately, but link's face is still deformed and all out of proportion compared to windwaker
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1103/vscy8.png)
plus his hair is almost painted on
Post by: Rox on June 16, 2007, 11:55:03 am
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE.
The correct connotation is "Could care less."
No it's not. Read your Strunk and White.
Indeed. If you tell someone that you "could care less", that means you actually do care a little bit. What people mean what they say it, is that they absolutely don't give a shit. Saying that you COULDN'T care less means your interest has hit rock bottom, and perhaps sunk even a bit lower. It's impossible for you to care any less than you currently do, because you do not care about it at all, what-so-ever. I can't believe how many people don't realize that they're saying the opposite of what they're trying to when typing those three words. "Could care less."
"Could careless" is pretty popular online, too, and it really hurts my brain. People don't actually know what words mean anymore, do they? They just throw them around in ways they think they're supposed to be used.
Post by: Helm on June 16, 2007, 12:03:50 pm
Post by: .TakaM on June 16, 2007, 12:54:28 pm
http://crazytalk.typepad.com/bluegrassroots/2007/06/fun_at_the_crea.html
jaw dropping
Post by: Stwelin on June 16, 2007, 01:15:10 pm
Post by: 9_6 on June 16, 2007, 02:15:48 pm
I like Döner :D
Post by: Malor on June 16, 2007, 03:26:49 pm
Anyone keep track of The Sopranos? Speculations?
Shittiest ending in the world :'(
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 16, 2007, 03:31:21 pm
I gots time and not much to do, baby :V.
Post by: Feron on June 16, 2007, 04:19:04 pm
corrob
define..
Post by: Faceless on June 16, 2007, 04:21:02 pm
And Stewin, what do you expect from an art board? We spend most of our time on here giving crits, it's only natural that we do that with pro stuff too.
I find there are some games that offend my sensibilities and that I just won't play. I think Phantom Hourglass looks great though, but TakaM does have a point about Link. I think he is the weakest looking of all the characters we've seen so far.
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 16, 2007, 04:44:02 pm
Corroboration.corrob
define..
Ala "I think this is good" ->"I definitely agree. The light crispy flavor of the bread mixes well with the alligatormonkey."<-
Post by: Feron on June 16, 2007, 04:49:11 pm
I think he is the weakest looking of all the characters we've seen so far.
Link is weak. period. Master chief would totally own link... damn you nintendo fanboys!!
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 16, 2007, 04:54:48 pm
Post by: Faceless on June 16, 2007, 05:00:34 pm
Magic > Technology. Light Arrows for massive damage. :P
Post by: Rox on June 16, 2007, 05:33:58 pm
How about 'I could give a shit' / 'I don't give a shit'. DEMYSTIFY PLEASE
Mm-hmm. That translates to "I could care" / "I don't care" which can be remade into "I could care more" / "I couldn't care less"
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Pshh, yeah, sure. MAYBE he would, but using technology from a thousand or two years in the future.What? Hyrule doesn't exist on this planet. In this dimension, or universe. By Hylian counting, their civilization might be 5000 year old for all we know. In fact, it's possible that the year 2552 (when Halo takes place) is the equivalent of Hyrule's past!
But as always, "who would win" depends on who's the main character. If Link was the hero and fighting Master Chief, his shield would block bullets and light arrows would just generally annihilate technology and armor. Master Chief would also be a bulky, slow enemy who takes a full second to turn 180 degrees. If the MC was the main character, his armor piercing bullets would tear Link up, and a sword would just glide off his shield system, just like bullets reflect in-game. MC would run twice as fast, jump three times as high, and generally own the little magic fairy boy.
To even the playing field; In the real world, magic doesn't exist, forcefields don't exist, but bullets still tear through flesh. MC wins.
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 07:09:31 pm
Anyway, is anyone going to get Zelda DS as soon as it comes?Yes.
I'm kinda looking forward to it, though I wish you had d-pad control.
I find it soooo freeeakkiinngg annoying when people put two characters against each other whose universes are so completely different from one another that the mere technology available in one could pwn the other. I mean, that's not even fair. Of course bullets > flesh, so MC would win in a couple shots. But I mean, how about like, the unicycle from Uniracers vs Sonic...! Samus vs MC is a pretty fair one, I think. How about Juno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Force_Gemini) vs Jak? Link vs Simon Belmont?
I mean seriously, what's the point of pitting two characters like that against each other? That's like saying "who would win, a redwood or a chainsaw?" I mean, redwoods are badass and all, but the technological disparity leaves it defenseless!
So yeah, end rant.
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 16, 2007, 07:14:39 pm
@TakaM: I just read that thing about the creation museum. I must say: Wow. How do things like this even get funded? Not to start any religious quarrels, but I just can't fathom why people, especially large numbers here in America, choose to deny scientific theories, like Evolution with theology as their back up. The Bible has many holes in it, and has been changed to fit the current times. Yet some people still believe every word of it! Even the Catholic church have ADMITTED to certain hiccups of the bible (for example, the ordeal with the "Red sea" being parted, when a mistranslation showed it to be the "Reed Sea" which tends to shallow to walkable levels during certain parts of the year...).
I'm not saying "don't believe in God, he's not real." Neither am I choosing whose religion is plausible, or even possibly acceptable. All of them have their quarks. I just wish every one would look past the obvious and realize that nearly all these ancient religions follow the basic rules of thumb: Don't kill, Don't steal, Don't lie, and the above all most important(in my opinion), Happiness.
I believe in evolution, but I also believe that there is still some force or life form out there that gave not just us life, but everything else. It's name, in human translation, we'll just call "it" God. How it works, nobody knows. I just wish people were more open to increasing knowledge, rather than greed. Hell, even Einstein felt a closer curiosity to the mysteries of God, as he gained more knowledge in Scientific theories.(Not Scientology...Don't even get me started on that...ugh.)
My parents are very religious, as they came from a small, VERY poor village in Mexico, therein which good education was sparse. They always wished me to join them at church, but I just never felt the need. It wasn't my thing. However,one day they took off to some church retrieval (which I still don't agree with) for 3 days. When they came back, I greeted them at the door and I found my mother glowing; Not in the metaphorical sense, but LITERALLY glowing (not joking)!! I saw that she was so happy from the trip, that quite possibly, it released chemicals within her body causing her skin to illuminate. It was strange, but right then and there I realized that although I have a STRONG distrust for leaders, especially pushers of the faith, that maybe this whole religious thing ain't so bad after all. If this is what really made her happy, than why fuck it up. Let her be.
Happiness...find it, don't fuck it up, and never let anybody take it away from you....
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 07:58:58 pm
but I just can't fathom why people, especially large numbers here in America, choose to deny scientific theories, like Evolution with theology as their back up.
From Merriam-Webster's Online dictionary:
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Main Entry: the·o·ryScience as I see it, is man's study and understanding of what God made. The thing with science is, every time we turn around a "theory" or something that scientists have seen as fact becomes proven wrong by other scientists. Science is not perfect and I believe alot of scientists are fools and have possibly unknowingly screwed up their studies.
Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thir-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein
1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
One example of my belief about science is carbon dating. I don't believe it is anywhere near as accurate as scientists believe it is. I don't think that they factor in everything that has happened over the hundreds or thousands of years since the item they're trying to date was created. They probably don't think about all the effects whatever they're dating has gone through from weather changes to being exposed to a fire or certain chemicals.
This is just my opinion on carbon dating, but anyways there are just too many flaws in science. As hard as they may try and say that humans evolved from lower life forms, there is no way to prove it actually happened. If evolution had infact happened, don't you think the drawings on cave walls thousands of years ago might look a bit different? or that we would see other creatures evolving into higher life forms with a significant amount of intelligence?
Even the Catholic church have ADMITTED to certain hiccups of the bible (for example, the ordeal with the "Red sea" being parted, when a mistranslation showed it to be the "Reed Sea" which tends to shallow to walkable levels during certain parts of the year...).I haven't read my Bible in a while, but didn't the sea end up swallowing up some of the Pharaoh's army that were chasing the Israelites?? Also, I don't believe it said that the water was "shallow".
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Exodus 14:16 But lift up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.King James Version
Thank you for making me pick up my Bible, it's been over a year since i read it. :)
I will not speak for the museum, I've never been there and I didn't read more than 3/4 of that story about it.
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Also, if we're going by Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past, Link has a cape/cloak that makes him invisible doesn't he? Then he could just sneak up on MC and get him when his guard is down.
Don't forget that Link also has bombs in his arsenal as well, so he can be just as deadly as MC if he played his cards right.
Post by: huZba on June 16, 2007, 08:18:23 pm
Religion's mostly good for giving ordinary people good reasons to live and rules to go by. I mean sometimes you can get to a vicious cycle where everything you do seems obsolete when you think about it hard enough, which leads to people getting depressed. It's like the bible has the mission objectives and rules for the game of life, while if you don't have any, you might go LOL WTF and idle in the internets for the rest of your life. But it is kind of funny how things get enforced with age. Like how bible is somehow more eligible cause it's old. Same goes for laws. There's a lot of laws today that are based on pretty darn old things but are twisted to fit the modern society. Then again the bible has been changed to be more convinient and some meanings have been re-interpreted to work better. Like how bible says women should shuddap in teh church and so forth, and now there's a problem of some male priests not acknowledging female priests. Also a lot of people have died in the name of religion, while the Bible tells you not to kill.
Still, religion is good, it (usually) makes people happy.
Snippa, i think having quite a few life forms between a human and an ape gradually changing from one end to the other is proof enough. As for carbon dating, just check the wikipedia article. It has things affecting it, and they are taken into account therefore needing calibration. Aaaand finally, evolution is slow, if you take a baby from 2000 years ago and raise in the modern society, i don't think you could tell it's a person from 2000 years ago.
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 08:31:55 pm
So pretty much, I don't believe in gravity...or at least gravity as we've come to see it. I think that every object has invisible arms that pull other things towards them, and bigger things have more and more muscular arms, which is why planets have more gravity than thumbs. And everything likes to spin, which is where orbits come from, and which is why spinning around 'til you're dizzy is always fun as a kid.
It especially bugs me when people say certain planets can't hold life.
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 16, 2007, 08:51:08 pm
"In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and a theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the general theory of relativity."
(from wikipedia)
Theories are constantly changing and improving as new EVIDENCE is discovered. People who argue against the theory of evolution as a framework for understanding the world we live in usually fail to understand that the only reason this theory still stands is that currently there is no contradictory evidence available to augment or improve the theory in a major way.
Science and religion CAN co-exist. Both Newton and Einstein were deeply religious men who believed that science was a tool that God gave to men in order to help understand His creation.
Real science rarely describes anything as impossible. There is only improbability; after all, that's what quantum mechanics is all about!
EDIT - Tangential to this is a language thing. You say "your belief about carbon dating," while scientists say "the evidence we have observed about carbon dating." Do you see how one of these could be construed as being completely arbitrary? Use the tools at your disposal to help understand your world! So what if the world is actually a few billion years old, according to the evidence? God could have manipulated that evidence to help us learn. And on top of that, the IMPORTANT stuff in the bible has NOTHING to do with claims of the earth's youth. Is that the most important thing you can find in there? Is all the stuff about caring for other people and living a good life suddenly invalidated because a 2000 yr old document has some weird translation errors?
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 09:02:06 pm
As we have seen in the present day, pretty much anywhere you look, there are people that have been born with birth defects, it is very possible that if archaeologists found a skeleton that scientists deemed to be a stage in the human evolutionary scale, that that person just had a birth defect of some sort.
Yeah, according to theories of evolution, it may be an extremely slow process, but also according to scientists, earth has been around for billions of years... and yet, there is no evidence of any other species on this planet of ever evolving anywhere near where we are at in life today. You would think being that earth is that old, that there would have been at least one other race of sentient beings that have lived here before us, or that during our evolution we would have encountered species of animals on our planet evolving to a point of sentience.
If there were sentient beings that evolved here on earth before us, there would be evidence of their presence. There is none.
Also, if we evolved from apes... why are apes still around? Why haven't the rest of them evolved along side us? Why don't we see evidence of apes evolving since we've started recording history? Did apes just stop evolving after the first few completely evolved into what we are today?
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 16, 2007, 09:17:13 pm
This is my last word on this "debate:"
You can accept that evolution (and all of science) can provide a useful framework for understanding our world based on available evidence, without ever believing that the events (such as evolution or the big bang) actually happened.
Science is a simple system of hypotheses and evidence. It is NOT a belief system. It does not challenge your precious Bible. You can choose not to believe in Science, but you must then very seriously consider if you also believe in Math, or Logic in general.
If you see useful models as an affront to your religious beliefs, you are going to have a hard time getting through this life. And if you need proof of your beliefs, then you are believing for all the wrong reasons.
Post by: huZba on June 16, 2007, 09:30:55 pm
"evolving anywhere near where we are at in life today."
I'd say human race is in a pretty darn shitty situtaion in life today. Man is only benefitial to man. Also there's quite a few sentient species on earth as far as i know :P
And apes are still around for the same reason there are a zillion different types of cats around. Different environment brings forward different evolution. Some had an unchanging environment that doesn't bring forward evolution.
Tho you can't really prove anything if you go into semantics, since you can't really even prove that anything other than yourself exists.
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disregard that i suck lollipop, i second what adam said.
So anyone going to see the new Transformers movie?
Post by: Panda on June 16, 2007, 09:38:11 pm
I'm agnostic myself, and I don't care much about religions overall (but if there is someone up there or down there watching over us, good for her), and I accept evolution theories and all the scientific er... thingies.
It doesn't matter to me whether you agree with me or not.
Simply believe what you want and whatever makes you happy, but keep it to yourself without forcing anyone else to be like you.
After all every one is the protagonist of their own life, and you got no extra 1UPs around. So just be the way you want.
But ultimately the universe was made by nintendo. !yus!
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 10:12:39 pm
But ultimately the universe was made by nintendo. !yus!Atari. :mean:
Post by: Feron on June 16, 2007, 10:25:20 pm
I'm agnostic myself
man, agnostic is the worst. Atheist - if there is god we're going to hell, if not, we get a well deserved lie-in on sundays. Religious people have something to look forward to and have something to devote there life/time to. Agnostic is just trying to get the perks of atheism but without the punishment of a hellish after life, because you were a bit unsure... :P
And there soooo many long posts in this thread... wateva happened to people posting stupid and useless pictures, or even better ... legos.
The old OT thread was better... this one has a sour beggining and one has a feeling it will continue to do so....
i just spent about £140 on concert tickets :-X
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 10:30:17 pm
After all every one is the protagonist of their own life, and you got no extra 1UPs around.I like that.
Natural selection, sure.
Mutations and isolations causing different species, sure.
But I just don't think it could've happened to such a drastic extent as a lizard turning into a bird, or a monkey into a human.
It won't matter much longer anyway, 'cause pretty soon we'll all kill the earth anyway.
Atari? No, man, it was made by George Lucashigeru Miyazaki.
How much is a euro? 140...So, what, that's like 50 cents, right? (j/k)
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 16, 2007, 10:41:30 pm
@huzba: Yar, I most definitely plan to watch the new transformers movie. The first previews looked like ass crap, but the newer ones got me most interested. So yeah, definitely gonna watch it...
Looks like a Captain America movie is in the talks...well, seriously in the talks or more so than previously mentioned. I just hope that who ever directs, or plays him doesn't make him too corny. He's practically my fav' superhero, and in my opinion, if it blows over, I think it'll be the final nail in the coffin for Marvel movies. The recent releases are EXTREMELY lack luster(ceptin' the staples, like x-men, and spiderman...ok the last X-men movie blew a little.) Hopefully Iron Man can be the better half, to pick up the slack that Fantastic 4 is leaving right now. That, and Edward Norton doing The Hulk. Seriously though, Marvel seems to be slackin' in the cinemas, and DC is catchin' flames real quick. It's as if it's a cycle, that repeats itself like it did during the 60's, 70's, and 80's(Every older generation's favorite Christopher Reed as Superman, and the ass crap marvel movies of the 70's..."The Trial of the Incredible Hulk": Houston, that's a big WTF!)
Post by: Snippa on June 16, 2007, 10:43:07 pm
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 16, 2007, 10:47:03 pm
spiderman 3 was at least fun; it was probably even worse than xmen 3, but since it didn't take itself so GD seriously we could at least enjoy it!
Post by: Feron on June 16, 2007, 11:13:15 pm
however on the whole there are more good marvel films that DC ones within the past 10 years or so.
Post by: Xion on June 16, 2007, 11:17:03 pm
Xmen3 was ass.
I hope they do Iron Man justice, as he's one of my favorites.
And most definitely, I am going to see Transformers, robots in da skies.
Post by: Rox on June 16, 2007, 11:49:29 pm
Also, if we're going by Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past, Link has a cape/cloak that makes him invisible doesn't he? Then he could just sneak up on MC and get him when his guard is down.
Don't forget that Link also has bombs in his arsenal as well, so he can be just as deadly as MC if he played his cards right.
And if we're going by Halo: Combat Evolved, then Master Chief can pick up active camo powerups that turn him invisible for a minute!
Also, I'm sorry to bring this up again, but... To me, anyone who can choose not to "believe" in evolution must be one thick creature. Or just closed-minded. But it's kinda proven that religion in general does close minds, so maybe it's not completely unexpected. No offense to anyone who'd be offended by these few sentences. I just think it's a shame, s'all.
So! I've played Oblivion for 104 hours now. I don't see myself stopping anytime soon.
Post by: Malor on June 17, 2007, 12:02:10 am
Also, I'm sorry to bring this up again, but... To me, anyone who can choose not to "believe" in evolution must be one thick creature. Or just closed-minded. But it's kinda proven that religion in general does close minds, so maybe it's not completely unexpected. No offense to anyone who'd be offended by these few sentences. I just think it's a shame, s'all.
Well, I do not beleive all things evolved from one single celled orgranism, but too say there has been no evolution amoung species is ludacris. Fossils prove that there has indeed been changes in species over the millions of years the earth has existed. I could even beleive everything evolved from a much smaller group of species than exists now, but I still cannot say I think we all came from a water dwelling single-celled organism. Especially when the adapation of living on land comes into play, that is a durastic change, that I doubt is entirly possible, maybe all land dwellers evolved from amphibians...... Discovery Channel ftw :crazy:
Post by: huZba on June 17, 2007, 11:59:32 am
Onto subjects that really do matter, i really liked the first X-men but haven't seen the others. Worth a rent maybe? It's kind of cool the old guys are coming back in a blast, like transformers, turtles and the marvel heroes.
@Rox: ohmigod, oblivion is a really odd creature. I watched my brothes play it a lot and laughed about the random dungeons with nothing inside, fighting the same enemies all the time and having no real goals or whatever. It all seemed so pointless. Then one day i tried it for myself and played like 10 hours straight cause it's just so darn addictive.
Post by: Malor on June 17, 2007, 01:19:44 pm
Miyazaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki)
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Princess Mononoke, was the best Anime movie, evar.
Post by: ptoing on June 17, 2007, 01:51:45 pm
On another account, I watched Paprika, the new anime by Satoshi Kon, and it's all kinds of cool.
Post by: Panda on June 17, 2007, 02:53:31 pm
Laputa and Nausicaa indeed are pretty nice, and that one with the racoons (Heisei Tanuki Gassen Pompoko) was kinda funny.
Overall I enjoy all the movies coming from that studio (and I can't wait to go to the museum >:0 )
Sathoshi Kon movies are neat too, and Paprika has been my favourite out of all.
But Tekkon Kinkreet beats all of them, at least for me.
If you get the chance, watch it.
Post by: dragonrc on June 17, 2007, 03:04:16 pm
Post by: ptoing on June 17, 2007, 04:18:32 pm
Maybe I will watch it again when I feel entirely too happy sometime. :'(
Post by: Faceless on June 17, 2007, 04:26:10 pm
And if we're going by Halo: Combat Evolved, then Master Chief can pick up active camo powerups that turn him invisible for a minute!
Ways Link can detect invisible things:
Magnifying Glass (LA)
Lens of Truth (OoT, and MM)
Wolf Sense (TP)
And lets not forget that Link can travel back through time and kill MC whilst he's still a child.
He can also carry 5 fairies around with him that allow him to cheat death not once, but 5 times.
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 17, 2007, 04:53:58 pm
Post by: dragonrc on June 17, 2007, 05:17:13 pm
And lets not forget that Link can travel back through time and kill MC whilst he's still a child.But can he travel forward in time? MC was born many years after Link.
Post by: Panda on June 17, 2007, 05:27:21 pm
And lets not forget that Link can travel back through time and kill MC whilst he's still a child.But can he travel forward in time? MC was born many years after Link.
Well, practically you can't really tell if he was born many years after him.
They are from different games with different timelines.
But if they are fighting, you must be putting both in the same time, meaning he could go back to time and kill him, I guess.
Overall this whole thing is ridiculous :P
Post by: miascugh on June 17, 2007, 05:39:48 pm
Spiderman 2
Superman Returns (also because I'm a bit of a Kevin Spacey fanboy)
X-men 2
and the ones I really disliked were:
Batman Begins (that movie has zero congeniality, and ultimately pales in the face of Burton's approach to the matter)
Fantastic Four (the first and only time I went wtf out loud afterwards in the theater)
X-men 3 (I know next to nothing about the x-men universe, so the sacrilege factor falls away, but it was just poor plot, tons of logic mistakes and overdone claptrap)
Post by: Xion on June 17, 2007, 06:41:33 pm
Fantastic four has to be one of the worst movies I've ever seen, and Xmen3 just destroyed the whole thing for me. It should've ended at 2. And where the hell was Nightcrawler?
Well, Link could just use his mirror shield to reflect most weapons back at MC, and his lock-on targeting ensures he almost never misses. Epona > Warthog
Post by: Feron on June 17, 2007, 07:08:22 pm
It should've ended at 2. And where the hell was Nightcrawler?
it shouldn't have ended at two, they should have just had a much better script for the third. Nightcrawler was awesome, wasn't he mystique's son??. When mystique went all human she was quite hot in my opinion. Angel should have had a bigger part, and where the hell was gambit, he was definitley the best xman from the comics. Beast just looked stupid, they could have at least used less saturation and made him more "beast-like".
Post by: Faceless on June 17, 2007, 07:30:27 pm
Post by: huZba on June 17, 2007, 10:41:10 pm
Post by: Faceless on June 17, 2007, 11:13:05 pm
Post by: Obsidian on June 17, 2007, 11:17:23 pm
That will be decided in Smash Bros Brawl though.I can't wait for that game to come out....all I need is a Wii :(
Post by: chigsam on June 18, 2007, 12:07:00 am
Pit
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus
;D
Post by: Malor on June 18, 2007, 12:33:46 am
Confirmed characters:
Pit
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus
;D
What about Wario, Snake, and that character from the kirby games?
Post by: Obsidian on June 18, 2007, 12:34:03 am
Confirmed characters:
Pit
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus
;D
Don't forget Metakirby, Solid Snake, Zero Suit Samus, Wario, and all the characters from melee...
EDIT: lol, looks like Malor beat me to it. Oh well, I added a few more.
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 12:52:46 am
For example, the Ice Climbers have been scrapped.
It's Metaknight, not Metakirby.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/index.html
Here are the character bios.
Watch the trailers (also on that site) to see the rest of the confirmed characters.
Most have probably done that already, but it's worth posting just in case.
The site is updated daily (except for weekends).
Post by: Muffin on June 18, 2007, 01:39:20 am
I pwnd with Jigglypuff. Don't yell at me if he's already been scrapped in the newer game, though. All I have is the N64 game.
Post by: Obsidian on June 18, 2007, 01:46:43 am
Sakurai has said some characters from Melee won't make it.
For example, the Ice Climbers have been scrapped.
It's Metaknight, not Metakirby.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/index.html
Here are the character bios.
Watch the trailers (also on that site) to see the rest of the confirmed characters.
Most have probably done that already, but it's worth posting just in case.
The site is updated daily (except for weekends).
Metaknight, Metakirby, same thing... :P That was just off the top of my head.
Anyway, here's another link on the subject: link (http://wii.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html)
Post by: Zolthorg on June 18, 2007, 02:46:13 am
:mean:
I was looking forward to it, so i hope it's still in development D:
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 03:16:44 am
The characters that have been featured in both of the other games are not going anywhere.
On the other hand, the Ice Climbers, and Game and Watch have been confirmed to have been axed.
Post by: alkaline on June 18, 2007, 03:21:44 am
no new character will stop me from using link and samus though :yay:
Post by: Muffin on June 18, 2007, 04:58:34 am
In other off-topicness, studies show 70% of Superbowl watchers go to the bathroom during the commercials to catch the game, where as 10% would go to the bathroom during the game to catch those commercials. As for the other 20%, they have better things to do.
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 18, 2007, 05:32:15 am
In other off-topicness, studies show 70% of Superbowl watchers go to the bathroom during the commercials to catch the game, where as 10% would go to the bathroom during the game to catch those commercials. As for the other 20%, they have better things to do.
Hmm. I must be that extremely small percentage who tends to watch both the game AND the commercials without ever leaving his seat. "How?" you ask; adult diapers...They're fun for the whole family!!
Post by: Xion on June 18, 2007, 05:35:55 am
Anyone think any other non-ninty characters are gonna rear their heads for Brawl?
Post by: .TakaM on June 18, 2007, 05:38:54 am
Don't like Jiggly. Don't like Climbers. Don't like Watch. Good riddance to them all.pretty much everyone expects sonic, rayman would fit in too
Anyone think any other non-ninty characters are gonna rear their heads for Brawl?
Post by: Muffin on June 18, 2007, 05:54:38 am
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 18, 2007, 06:36:16 am
pretty much everyone expects sonic
NO!
nononono!
Post by: Panda on June 18, 2007, 06:36:45 am
Sonic, I guess it could be there, but not Rayman (not to mention the fact that he kinda sucks)
I would like to see Tingle as a selectable character.
And I guess they will put that new fighting pokemon... er... what was it? Lucario or something.
Post by: .TakaM on June 18, 2007, 06:49:01 am
then capcom immediately sold out and ported him to PS2 with several awful sequels.
Still, he could be a good addition, would probably have a really cool stage too
what's wrong with sonic? it's not like sega would be in charge of itpretty much everyone expects sonic
NO!
nononono!
Post by: Ragnarok on June 18, 2007, 06:54:13 am
Man, Grave of the Fireflies. I seen it and it totally destroyed me. Most evil antiwarfilm ever. VERY powerful stuff. Only saw it once.
Maybe I will watch it again when I feel entirely too happy sometime. :'(
Mmmm... Ditto! I still can't bring myself to watch it again. It's not by Ghibli, however.
I like Whisper of the Heart and The Cat Returns...
Post by: Xion on June 18, 2007, 07:09:18 am
Post by: Snippa on June 18, 2007, 08:42:48 am
His biggest strength in his games were that once he defeated a boss, he gained their abilities... you can't technically do that in smash bros since the other characters aren't robots and don't have the chips he needs to take their abilities.
Megaman without extra abilities sucks :(
Sure, you could put him in just as normal megaman, with all his own abilities maxed out, but then he's just a weaker version of samus.
Post by: fil_razorback on June 18, 2007, 11:22:14 am
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Was grave of the Fireflies even Miyazaki, or was it just studio Ghibli? Well, Spirited away + Castle in the Sky = pwns them all.
Grave of the Fireflies was directed by Isao Takahata when Miyazaki was busy with Totoro. They were released simultaneously ^^
Post by: Obsidian on June 18, 2007, 03:40:40 pm
pretty much everyone expects sonic
NO!
nononono!
Yea, I really hope they keep it at just Nintendo characters. I'm not a Sonic fan either.
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 04:03:27 pm
Personally I think it's stupid, but that's how it is. I don't think Sonic would fit the feel of the game at all though.
He's too... Sega. I'm not a fan of the upcoming Mario and Sonic at the Olympics game either.
Two franchises that should have never been mixed.
Post by: ptoing on June 18, 2007, 04:05:15 pm
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 06:00:49 pm
I would just prefer it wasn't so.
I'm looking forward to Phantom Hourglass more than anything else.
Hopefully it will make up for how average Twilight Princess was. From what I've seen I'm pretty sure I already love it.
Post by: Obsidian on June 18, 2007, 06:37:43 pm
It's not going to prevent me from buying the game or anything.Never heard of that one. Personally I'm looking forward to Super Mario Galaxy. Looks pretty sick from the videos I've seen.
I would just prefer it wasn't so.
I'm looking forward to Phantom Hourglass more than anything else.
Hopefully it will make up for how average Twilight Princess was. From what I've seen I'm pretty sure I already love it.
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 07:23:58 pm
Looks excellent.
My wish list:
1. Phantom Hourglass
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Super Smash Bros Brawl
4. Xbox 360 + Mass Effect
I currently have £100...
D:
Post by: Xion on June 18, 2007, 08:06:57 pm
megaman would be hard to fit into smash bros unless they gave him abilities from baddies in previous megaman games.Well Kirby had to absorb abilities in his games, too, but in smash bros, he had cutter, rock, fighter, hammer, and suplex built in.
His biggest strength in his games were that once he defeated a boss, he gained their abilities... you can't technically do that in smash bros since the other characters aren't robots and don't have the chips he needs to take their abilities.
Megaman without extra abilities sucks :(
Sure, you could put him in just as normal megaman, with all his own abilities maxed out, but then he's just a weaker version of samus.
I haven't got a problem with non-nintendo franchises being in Smash bros, but just make sure they fit. Megaman = ok. Sonic = not.
Post by: Faceless on June 18, 2007, 08:12:57 pm
Post by: huZba on June 18, 2007, 09:41:37 pm
I kinda understand the sonic hate today, due to how they try to street cred him and all, but back in the 16bit era he ruled big time. Sonic 1-3 are still awesome games.
Megaman on the other hand is a lot like samus with his abilities.
Post by: Helm on June 18, 2007, 09:59:12 pm
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Sonic wouldn't fit cause his ability is running fast and wild, while in smash bros it's more like hand to hand combat. Sonic doesn't do that. He runs and rolls.
I'm sorry, I have to interject here though I have absolutely no interest in fandom chat about a video game like smash bros, but wait wait wait. So sonic doesn't fit in a hand to hand fight game because he's a runner, whereas Mario does, whose powers include fatness, high drug tolerance and constant failure at saving princesses?
Post by: chigsam on June 18, 2007, 09:59:58 pm
Sakurai has said some characters from Melee won't make it.
For example, the Ice Climbers have been scrapped.
It's Metaknight, not Metakirby.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/index.html
Here are the character bios.
Watch the trailers (also on that site) to see the rest of the confirmed characters.
Most have probably done that already, but it's worth posting just in case.
The site is updated daily (except for weekends).
yes thats where i got the info. i saw wario on the pics just forgot to say him :P
Post by: Xion on June 18, 2007, 10:08:57 pm
Post by: huZba on June 18, 2007, 10:16:12 pm
QuoteSonic wouldn't fit cause his ability is running fast and wild, while in smash bros it's more like hand to hand combat. Sonic doesn't do that. He runs and rolls.
I'm sorry, I have to interject here though I have absolutely no interest in fandom chat about a video game like smash bros, but wait wait wait. So sonic doesn't fit in a hand to hand fight game because he's a runner, whereas Mario does, whose powers include fatness, high drug tolerance and constant failure at saving princesses?
Last time i checked Mario used his fists, legs, fireballs and waterguns as well as his butt to kill baddies(He's grown since the 8bit days u-know). But smash bros does have all kinds of guys there already, so i guess Sonic wouldn't be hard to trick in either. I was kinda just thinking out loud trying to figure out why he wouldn't fit, since someone before me said he wouldn't. Some of the newer sonic games had some character using Uzis if i remember correctly.
I guess they'd try to include every character possible anyway.
Personally i'd probably favor playing with Captain falcon just to get to yell FALCOOOOON PUNCH to the extent that it annoys the other players to bits.
Post by: Muffin on June 18, 2007, 11:00:04 pm
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 18, 2007, 11:05:23 pm
When he was spiky, blue, insanely fast, and didn't say shit - just killed robots and saved animals - that was an ok character!
Post by: Xion on June 19, 2007, 12:04:56 am
Sonic was awesome. Then they made him talk, and gave him stupid sidekicks, and "free-roaming" hub levels...sighthis is true.
When he was spiky, blue, insanely fast, and didn't say shit - just killed robots and saved animals - that was an ok character!
Post by: .TakaM on June 19, 2007, 01:23:05 am
I remember going to my friends house, playing sega with him, and being all like "whoa, the ground's all curvy" since just about everything in mario games were made out of blocks at the time.
then like 10 years later or something, I decided to buy sonic advance, and it was pretty fun, not that great, but fun
then I bought sonic advance 2, and it kinda got me back into it, he was ridiculously fast in that game, had some cool effects, introduced the trick system, some really cool level design, and I liked how you were always running in the boss fights
even though sonic advance got me slightly interested in the 3d sonics, since there was a GBA-GCN link up thing, I had a look at the GCN box at a store and I could just tell it was bad, so I never bothered with the 3D games, and it seems to be pretty clear that sega still really doesn't know how to make a 3d sonic game.
So.. I've never really felt like sonic should just be hung up, because the 2D games are still good (except for advance 3), and I think sonic would fit in fine on SSBB, sega made that 3D fighting game on GBA with all the sonic characters, and I think it got pretty good reviews, plus SSBB's gameplay is 2D, sonic's bread and butter.
oh and the mario-sonic olympic game, one of the lamest announcements ever.
such an anticlimactic resolution to years of rivalry, it's meant to be like the final test to determine who is the ultimate mascot, but the olympics? thats so lame
Post by: Blick on June 19, 2007, 07:13:08 am
My spirit is dead, I feel.
Post by: Panda on June 19, 2007, 07:24:01 am
Whining won't take you anywhere.
As for sonic, I've always been more of Knuckles fan (not only because he is red, but he looks more badass), but I kinda liked some of the 2d games.
Sonic games never left any special memories though. I remember playing them, and just that.
Oh, but I liked their weird catchy tunes, I esp. remember those in casino levels and all.
Post by: Blick on June 19, 2007, 07:53:26 am
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Then do something about it.You say that like I haven't tried. Thanks for nothing.
Whining won't take you anywhere.
I've tried finding inspiration by looking into new artists, new mediums, even just going back to traditional mediums and then I come back to pixel art and it's like I don't feel it anymore. I've been in this strange phase for longer than I ever have been before. Usually they just go away, but this is going on 7 months now.
Post by: Panda on June 19, 2007, 08:08:05 am
If something doesn't work, keep moving on, look at stuff that inspires you, try new things, give yourself some project, work under restrictions, pixel things you enjoy, start pixelling for a game or something. There are countless options out there.
Or even better, try to find why you can't be bothered to. Too much work? Or perhaps you've become tired of it?
If anything then go with something else, after all pixel art isnt the only way.
But really, no one is going to feed you for just having your mouth open. So either find something that works for you, or starve.
Post by: Jad on June 19, 2007, 10:45:36 am
QuoteThen do something about it.You say that like I haven't tried. Thanks for nothing.
Whining won't take you anywhere.
I've tried finding inspiration by looking into new artists, new mediums, even just going back to traditional mediums and then I come back to pixel art and it's like I don't feel it anymore. I've been in this strange phase for longer than I ever have been before. Usually they just go away, but this is going on 7 months now.
I'd say, it's probably something that's holding you up emotionally. I've been having this feeling as well, and I sorta know that it has a lot to do with many aspects of my personal and emotional life being a bit messed up at times. When stuff starts to feel okay, I suddenly have the touch for pixels and pencil drawing and whatnot.
You sure there's not something around those lines that's holding you back?
And, well, Panda's kinda right aswell. But he's a bit harsh. Ultra-sissies like me can't take stuff like that, but I hope you can x]
Post by: Helm on June 19, 2007, 10:56:41 am
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Last time i checked Mario used his fists, legs, fireballs and waterguns as well as his butt to kill baddies(He's grown since the 8bit days u-know).
I don't really... uh... um, I don't really care. I shouldn't have gotten involved in this discussion.
Post by: huZba on June 19, 2007, 11:49:14 am
QuoteThen do something about it.You say that like I haven't tried. Thanks for nothing.
Whining won't take you anywhere.
I've tried finding inspiration by looking into new artists, new mediums, even just going back to traditional mediums and then I come back to pixel art and it's like I don't feel it anymore. I've been in this strange phase for longer than I ever have been before. Usually they just go away, but this is going on 7 months now.
Sooo, what do you do instead of pixel art? Sometimes people circle around in a deadly vicious cycle into complete idleness. I have a friend who hasn't been able to do anything for over a year other than idle and bathe in despair. Maybe you're missing something from the feedback loop of making pixel-art, you know, like putting effort, getting something in return. It's tough to do anything without returns, so everyone has SOME reason to doing whatever they do.
Quote from: Helm
I don't really... uh... um, I don't really care. I shouldn't have gotten involved in this discussion.
Don't take it too seriously :)
Post by: Faceless on June 19, 2007, 12:47:05 pm
I think the Nintendo Virtual Console is a really good way to get back into the mood to pixel. Or if you don't have that, I guess you could buy a gamepad adapter, hook your computer up to your tv, and play the roms. If you didn't grow up playing the Nes or Snes, but rather Arcade, or Atari, or C64 and etc. then play those instead.
Post by: Malor on June 19, 2007, 01:33:51 pm
No Jigglypuff? :'(
I pwnd with Jigglypuff. Don't yell at me if he's already been scrapped in the newer game, though. All I have is the N64 game.
I could never beat the "break the targets" with Jigglypuff :'(...so I'll just stick with good ol Kirby :D
Post by: Obsidian on June 19, 2007, 02:57:58 pm
I could never beat the "break the targets" with Jigglypuff :'(...so I'll just stick with good ol Kirby :D
You have to use Jiggly's left+b move on the bottom part.
Anyway, I don't care for Jigglypuff either. Ice Climbers and Game and Watch going isn't a problem for me either; before melee I had never even heard of either of them.
Post by: Faceless on June 19, 2007, 03:07:30 pm
So far every character from the original Smash Bros has been confirmed to be in Brawl by Sakurai.
He also said that there would be no clones. So Ganondorf, Dr. Mario, and etc. are all out unless they get remade with new movesets.
Personally I'm hoping for Ganondorf to be a sword based character, and that they use his design from TP.
There's also a rumour that alt costumes will actually be costumes this time around, and not merely recolours.
I haven't heard anything official on this though.
Confirmed:
Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus Aran
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox McCloud
Pikachu
Luigi
Ness
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
Pit
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Snake
Metaknight
Post by: Obsidian on June 19, 2007, 03:15:36 pm
Post by: Faceless on June 19, 2007, 03:46:36 pm
Way more likely to be someone from the Gamecube Fire Emblem games, or the GBA ones.
Eliwood perhaps?
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/fe/fe7/art/eliwood.jpg
Or maybe this guy:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653496/fire-emblem-path-of-radiance-20050923024655943.jpg
Post by: Obsidian on June 19, 2007, 03:48:42 pm
I really doubt that Marth will be in it.Crap, he's the only character I ever use. Hopefully if they put someone else from Fire Emblem in, they'll be similar to Marth.
Way more likely to be someone from the Gamecube Fire Emblem games, or the GBA ones.
Eliwood perhaps?
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/fe/fe7/art/eliwood.jpg
Or maybe this guy:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653496/fire-emblem-path-of-radiance-20050923024655943.jpg
Post by: alkaline on June 19, 2007, 03:53:36 pm
Or maybe this guy:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653496/fire-emblem-path-of-radiance-20050923024655943.jpg
ike? maybe, he is kindof similar to marth, they look pretty much the same eh, if they want to replace marth they should probably use some other more different character.
Post by: Ragnarok on June 19, 2007, 03:58:33 pm
Post by: Obsidian on June 19, 2007, 04:04:24 pm
Marth is great though...Yea, I don't understand why they wouldn't include him, getting rid of just Roy would make sense, but both of them seems weird to me.
Post by: Faceless on June 19, 2007, 05:49:40 pm
Fire Emblem has since had 4(?) Western releases, and they will probably want to include characters that those western audiences are both familiar with, and like.
As for the comment about Ike and Marth being similar, aren't all Fire Emblem characters? There isn't much originality in those games.
Post by: miascugh on June 19, 2007, 05:52:22 pm
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I really doubt that Marth will be in it.
Way more likely to be someone from the Gamecube Fire Emblem games, or the GBA ones.
Eliwood perhaps?
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/fe/fe7/art/eliwood.jpg
Or maybe this guy:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653496/fire-emblem-path-of-radiance-20050923024655943.jpg
I'm not really interested in Smash Bros., but why Fire Emblem? I've only played the ones for GBA, but there wasn't a single memorable character in that game. Only generic fantasy anime faces talking corny pseudo-posh gibberish. Does that series even have a poster child?
edit: Too slow, but I still posted it
Post by: Blick on June 19, 2007, 08:31:41 pm
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I'd say, it's probably something that's holding you up emotionally. I've been having this feeling as well, and I sorta know that it has a lot to do with many aspects of my personal and emotional life being a bit messed up at times. When stuff starts to feel okay, I suddenly have the touch for pixels and pencil drawing and whatnot.Well, I did start up or reinforce a couple addictions since I last pixelled. I imagine they're what helps me deal with stress rather than pixel art, which is what I used to do to get away from things for a few hours. Also, I'm working part time about to go full time which will surely destroy any attempt at rejuvenating my energy.
You sure there's not something around those lines that's holding you back?
Post by: Feron on June 19, 2007, 09:18:41 pm
Post by: ptoing on June 19, 2007, 10:38:16 pm
Post by: Blick on June 19, 2007, 11:12:29 pm
Post by: Kren on June 20, 2007, 04:21:07 am
i have too many ideas, but my skills arent good enough to pull them off, and if something isn't working out i just give up. my pixelling motivation is at an all time low, i feel your pain.I have the same problem, I start working with something, and after an hour or so, I realize that I dislike it, so instead of trying to improve it, I just close it without saving it.
Post by: .TakaM on June 20, 2007, 10:45:42 am
Looks a lot better on the DS screens, has had nice cutscenes so far, intro is very cool too.
I'm having fun so far, despite it being all in japanese, man, they could've shown such better screenshots :y:
Post by: huZba on June 20, 2007, 10:54:14 am
Okay, you'll buy the game when it's released in english, right? Looks like we'll have to wait till the end of the year tho.
Man, i've been wanting to play Megaman ZX on DS for so long now, but it still hasn't been released in europe. The sequel is already out in japan.....
Post by: Panda on June 20, 2007, 11:02:54 am
But soon once I go to Japan >:0
As for Megaman ZX's sequel, wasn't it coming out in July or am I mixing different games?
Post by: .TakaM on June 20, 2007, 11:09:59 am
Wait what? How'd you get your hands on it already? (hmm, runs to check the romsites... AHA)yah ofcourse, even when I had my GBA flash cart I bought all the games I wanted.. ended up with 33 I think :P
Okay, you'll buy the game when it's released in english, right? Looks like we'll have to wait till the end of the year tho.
Man, i've been wanting to play Megaman ZX on DS for so long now, but it still hasn't been released in europe. The sequel is already out in japan.....
Post by: huZba on June 20, 2007, 11:19:49 am
ZX was released half a year ago in US, soo, i guess it's the same old story with having to translate the ingame texts to german and whatever.
I heard Phantom Hourglass got an almost perfect score on Famitsu, so i guess the delay was well worth it.
Oh and .Takam :y:
Post by: .TakaM on June 20, 2007, 11:23:02 am
I heard Phantom Hourglass got an almost perfect score on Famitsu, so i guess the delay was well worth it.39/40 apparently :y:
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 20, 2007, 06:06:31 pm
Post by: huZba on June 20, 2007, 06:40:24 pm
I think every game should have this kind of speedrun/ranking system. Ninja Gaiden for example is a new game each time you aim for a higher rank, and again renewed when you start on a harder difficulty level. At the point where you really have to push Ryu to his limits it really starts to feel like you're a proper super ninja.
Then games like Contra are just plain hardcore and not so easy to access, so the system in Megaman Z gives a good game that's easy to access, as well as something for the totally hardcore people. I think today that games HAVE TO be more and more accessible to cover for rising developement costs, they sometimes forget smaller audiences that just don't get turned on by something too simple. This is why having something more deep hidden under an accessible shell is just perfect. Not to scare away too much, but also to give more if you so wish.
One time me and my friend were having a competition on who completes the first world of super mario world the fastest and it was so much fun. :)
Oh and long story short: :y: Ranking systems :y:
As for Phantom Hourglass... want it NAO! Maybe should consider importing from US when it's released, since DS is region free and sometimes the games are cheaper as well.
Post by: Helm on June 20, 2007, 06:47:11 pm
Post by: Rox on June 20, 2007, 07:50:51 pm
Worst case so far: Metroid Prime Pinball. Released in the USA in October 2005.
Released in Europe: Tomorrow. Or the day after that.
Someone please explain what can possibly take so long to get a DS game, a PINBALL game none the less, out to the European market. It's not like it needs extensive translation. Even if it did, there'd only be a few sentences and random words to translate.
Now I'm waiting for MegaMan ZX Advent. I will buy it IF they fix the goddamn map already. I don't care if it's worse than the first, which was already mediocre at parts, a map that is actually USEFUL will automatically make it more enjoyable than the first game. Also, Ninja Gaiden DS. Ninja Gaiden DS blew my mind. I never saw it coming, I never saw the control system coming, I never saw the awesome graphics coming.
Post by: Faceless on June 20, 2007, 11:07:32 pm
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/797/797841/the-dark-knight-20070619051200455.jpg
Seriously, what happened to Batman trying to be somewhat realistic?
This is the worst design for a vehicle I've ever seen, and gund on the front?!
Gah.
Sometimes I wish I was supreme dictator of the world.
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 20, 2007, 11:11:11 pm
Post by: Conzeit on June 20, 2007, 11:35:27 pm
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/797/797841/the-dark-knight-20070619051159737.jpg
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/797/797841/the-dark-knight-20070619051200455.jpg
Seriously, what happened to Batman trying to be somewhat realistic?
This is the worst design for a vehicle I've ever seen, and gund on the front?!
Gah.
Sometimes I wish I was supreme dictator of the world.
Hm, the general shape of the design reminds me of akira's bike, except for the humongous wheels.
I dont mind it really, it is obviously stilyzed and not meant to strafe, but I cant see why I it wouldnt work. I imagine it does some cross style action in keeping with the all-terrain philosophy the batmobile had.
Post by: Xion on June 21, 2007, 12:10:58 am
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/797/797841/the-dark-knight-20070619051159737.jpgBig wheels = cool, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the rest = lamest shit ever.
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/797/797841/the-dark-knight-20070619051200455.jpg
Seriously, what happened to Batman trying to be somewhat realistic?
This is the worst design for a vehicle I've ever seen, and gund on the front?!
Gah.
Sometimes I wish I was supreme dictator of the world.
Post by: Faceless on June 21, 2007, 04:07:58 am
Look at the way he's sitting in it.
How am I meant to take him seriously in that thing?
More ninja, less gadgetry!
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 21, 2007, 04:58:31 am
New idea Christopher Nolan, just scrap the damn Bike all together......
Post by: Rox on June 21, 2007, 10:38:38 am
haha rox wasn't metroid pinball made in the UK too?
That seems to be true. It's crazy!
Also, the bat bike thing: WTF. I thought the Batman Begins batmobile was awesome and brutal, but this is just silly. You'd have absolutely no mobility with those enormous wheels. And isn't that one of the basic concepts around Batman? Mobility? His original Batmobile could turn on a dime and race around all quick like with unnatural acceleration due to that rad rocket engine thing. That rad aircraft he has is probably the smallest fighter plane in existance, perfect for urban air combat. And his gadgets all add to his mobility when outside of vehicles. Grappling hooks, wings for gliding... And then that bike shows up. How's that mobile? He couldn't squeeze into places other bikes would fit. It looks like it could hardly even turn.
And, oh yeah, the design is horrible.
Post by: Conzeit on June 21, 2007, 10:49:07 am
this is a new concept for batman, it's more about brute force from what I gather, and all terrain movement...the cape thing does seem a little ridiculous but...I think from the side shot there is at 00:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7VCDQ_hM-Y here that he might be ok.
what DOES bug me a lot, is why are the machineguns at the front tire? if he was to go trough any rough terrain at all those thing would probably get stuck anywhere...I'm giving this guy some credit and waiting to see what it's special features are....sorry to not jump into your hype guys :p
Post by: huZba on June 21, 2007, 10:56:10 am
About the batman bike... to me it seems to defy all logic. A bike would never need that kind of wheels. For offroad you use thinner tires in order for them to bite in the ground. Gravel tires on rally cars are 50% thinner than tarmac tires. Pretty much the same for motorbikes. Also those tires on batpod are almost slicks, they would NEVER work on gravel. Unless this thing is supposed to go on water..... Then again, i really wouldn't mind if it didn't look practical, as long as it didn't look silly.
I really liked the batman begins car tho.
Post by: Conzeit on June 21, 2007, 11:07:26 am
Aznbuddy says:
Apparently, the engines are in each tire and there's a bit o' transforming going on for it to go closer to the ground. Fully practical vehicle. And by "practical" I mean "it works in real-life" movie lingo...not..."Honey, I have to go to the store to get some milk. I'll be right back."
and who's AznBuddy to be saying that? hell if I know, but it goes to show that judging something which has been put to so much practical proof and designing cant be judged from a feeble first impression.
I just realized, the first pic of the batsuit precedes this one, the policecar that he stands on in the batsuit photo is the one behind the Batpod in this one....that make me slow?
Post by: Panda on June 21, 2007, 11:28:54 am
It always felt like he was a superhero wannabe rather tha one himself. And on top of that, for some reason I was always more attracted to villians.
And yeah whatever about that bike, looks horrible (and dangerous for the rider, esp. if you are going to get attacked and all) regardless the explanation they have behind it.
Post by: The B.O.B. on June 21, 2007, 04:35:59 pm
In other words, can there be some shiny, eye catching pic on the front page that lets new users aware of current tools that are down at the moment. It's not necessarily their fault, as I would probably ask the same question if I were new also. Then again, they could always read the "RULES: READ BEFORE POSTING" thread...but seriously, who ever reads those damn things. I've recently read some of the stuff in there for the first time, since they've been there. You could probably post nudie pics, and probably get away scott free. I probably can place a safe bet that some of the older members haven't read stuff in there either. I swear, if I hear the question " where do I go to insert my avatar?" one more time, I'm going to go friggin' bonkers!!!!
(not trying to be dick, by the way...well...TRYING not to....)
Post by: Helm on June 21, 2007, 05:07:31 pm
Post by: huZba on June 21, 2007, 09:16:03 pm
I echo the sentiment for ranking systems. I love speedrunning stuff it is compelling even though I'm no master. You'll like the game we're putting out soon, huZba.
I'm getting excited allready.
Since Contra 4 was announced i just had to go back to Super Contra once more for old times sake. I've played through it at least a 100 times (it was the only game we played for a looooong time when i was a kid) and those bosses still give me the creeps. The kind of oppressive nature of the game, the music and weird designs make an uncomfortable atmosphere (in a good way). There's also great pace and variety in the levels. Solid gameplay also makes it feel like whenever you fail, it really is you failing and you can't blame gameplay quirks. Finishing it on the hardest level totally destroyed my thumbs and i think i pretty much gave up on the last boss just spamming bombs and expanding the lives i had collected on previous playthroughs.
Shattered soldier was pretty close with the level of manliness and difficulty level, but Neo Contra was just way too easy. The intro was made of pure testosterone and awesome tho.
Post by: Evil-Ville on June 23, 2007, 01:08:55 pm
I echo the sentiment for ranking systems. I love speedrunning stuff it is compelling even though I'm no master. You'll like the game we're putting out soon, huZba.
Thrustburst?
Post by: Opacus on June 23, 2007, 01:09:56 pm
Post by: Helm on June 23, 2007, 01:19:26 pm
Evil: yeeeees
Post by: Helm on June 23, 2007, 01:24:32 pm
Neo Contra is in fact so manly, it's totally okay to load up ammo in clips and generally handle live ammunition while smoking.
edit: holy shit, you're not freakin' kidding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voICcLiEuVo
my penis grew an inch just by watching these.
phallic guns? Yes. Phallic rocket launchers cradled in the lap of both protagonists? Yes. Phallic space station? Yes. Phallic space station ejaculates on earth-like planet, destroying it? yes. MAIN PROTAGONISTS RIDING A PHALLIC WHALE?
THE CROWNING GLORY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RCmbIwizjY&mode=related&search=
Post by: ptoing on June 23, 2007, 04:53:41 pm
Post by: Stwelin on June 23, 2007, 06:37:15 pm
Post by: Feron on June 23, 2007, 07:10:37 pm
Thrustburst?
yeah, how long til this is out. I played a demo a few months ago and it was going quite nice then, :0'
Post by: Helm on June 23, 2007, 07:30:48 pm
Post by: Feron on June 24, 2007, 12:28:03 am
No im not looking for a MAC vs PC fight, i've already won enough of them!
Post by: ptoing on June 24, 2007, 12:40:44 am
Post by: Rox on June 24, 2007, 01:55:59 pm
And also, the prerendered intro makes me drool. Check it out on Gametrailers (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4769.html).
The new robot designs also make more and more sense the more you stare at them. Which is good, because when I first saw them I instantly thought the movie was beyond saving just because of the designs. But now they make sense!
[edit] Damn... Helm. Damn. I mean, what? Holy damn! [/edit]
Post by: .TakaM on June 24, 2007, 04:28:41 pm
I'm cooking later this week, and I wanna make something new.
got a lot of chicken breasts incase anyone has a good chicken recipe
Post by: Dusty on June 24, 2007, 05:15:10 pm
Post by: Zolthorg on June 24, 2007, 06:10:37 pm
or maybe it was entivore...
:|
Can anyone recommend a guide to writing a first design document?
or is the process painfully simple?
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 24, 2007, 07:22:46 pm
Can anyone recommend a guide to writing a first design document?How you do it is just a matter of preference. Just try, and be at least a little organized.
or is the process painfully simple?
Post by: Zolthorg on June 24, 2007, 07:57:50 pm
everything has to be complicated with me :|
thanks for the words of encouragement
Quote from: Sherman Gill
try:')
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 24, 2007, 08:01:17 pm
Anyone remember that game Nun'n'Guns or something like that? Someone was showing off some screenshots on pixelation a long time ago, and it's about the only game I remember from such a time. It looked pretty fun, did it ever get off?Yeah a demo was finished. I saw it on the Eatpoo forums almost two years ago. I'd tried doing a search there. If that doesn't help, I've got some pics I saved from the Eatpoo thread I could send you. Just send me a PM
Post by: crab2selout.png on June 24, 2007, 08:38:04 pm
THE CROWNING GLORY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RCmbIwizjY&mode=related&search=Sorry for dbl post but WTF??!! Yes.Yes. Yes.... Gah My mind imploded and now there's sticky stuff....ewrgh. Ninja man blows up the Earth so blondie can stare at his junk for eternity...? I... ugh... This game was going cheap at Wal-mart a month ago and now I'M VERY GLAD I DIDN'T GET IT!!
Post by: Faktablad on June 24, 2007, 08:45:53 pm
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224)
Post by: Blick on June 25, 2007, 02:36:24 am
Whoa. Drawing with HTML.
Post by: Faceless on June 25, 2007, 07:28:18 am
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/zelda.html
This time it's Zelda. I wonder if she'll still be able to transform into Shiek.
I hope so.
Post by: Malor on June 25, 2007, 02:42:45 pm
Post by: Sherman Gill on June 25, 2007, 05:08:58 pm
It's nice Zelda's out..but I'd rather for the game to jsut realease :'(Aw come on, it's gonna take the same amount of time either way, so it's nice to have these snippets of information to keep us interested, no? :P
Post by: miascugh on June 25, 2007, 09:27:56 pm
A short feature on Pixel Art that was aired some time ago, in French, and mostly about French commercial non-game pixels, and also about Eboy. I really liked the little buggers with their blocky intestines.
Post by: Lee N on June 25, 2007, 09:40:39 pm
(http://nihon.se/zeldaph.jpg)
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 25, 2007, 10:26:45 pm
to
hell
Post by: Lee N on June 25, 2007, 10:57:14 pm
go???
to
hell
I'm sorry, but was that aimed at me?
Post by: fawel on June 25, 2007, 11:46:14 pm
Please tell us more about the game!
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 25, 2007, 11:55:15 pm
Post by: Rox on June 26, 2007, 12:14:42 am
Post by: Feron on June 26, 2007, 12:58:10 am
Yes it was Lee. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the this forum's members would shell out $70 for that game right now. Including me :hehe:
Please tell us more about the game!
please don't, im guessing im in the half not whilling to pay out £35 for a game. A nintendo game at that!
Post by: Flame on June 26, 2007, 01:01:06 am
Or I can get a rom for my r4 flashcard ._.
Post by: Malor on June 26, 2007, 02:37:55 am
It's nice Zelda's out..but I'd rather for the game to jsut realease :'(Aw come on, it's gonna take the same amount of time either way, so it's nice to have these snippets of information to keep us interested, no? :P
Eh fair enough..I jsut can't wait to get that game in my hands...any ideas if it will be playable multiplayer, via wi-fi?
Post by: Xion on June 26, 2007, 02:47:53 am
Or else I will kill.
Post by: Panda on June 26, 2007, 08:47:01 am
Yes it was Lee. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the this forum's members would shell out $70 for that game right now. Including me :hehe:
Please tell us more about the game!
Eh... I wouldn't pay 70 bucks for a DS game. Regardless of how much I want it. Even if it is a Zelda game (unless it comes with fancy extras and all).
And if you want spoilers go around youtube or some gaming sites as they have the first minutes of play and what not (which I've been avoiding to watch)
Post by: Lee N on June 26, 2007, 08:52:50 am
Please tell us more about the game!
please don't
I don't want to spoil the game for anyone, but I can say that this is a fantastic part in the Zelda series.. I'm a few hours in and so far the game has been really clever and diverse. The stylus controls work perfectly in my opinion, they have managed to strip down the entire control scheme to just the stylus and make everything context sensitive - and yet it still feels like a true Zelda game. Granted I'm already eased in to the idea of playing with a stylus from playing lots of other DS games, but if you're still a bit iffy about the stylus controls.. try to give this game a chance anyway since it really deserves it.
If any of you have any questions about the specifics in this game, I'd be happy to answer them in PM to keep this thread spoiler free.
Post by: .TakaM on June 27, 2007, 04:16:49 am
and it really puts the controls in perspective, stuff like picking up and throwing puts etc feels so much more natural with the stylus
Post by: rabidbaboy on June 27, 2007, 04:39:51 am
And now reading about how good the controls are (compared to WW, no less), just reminded me of this.
:'(
Post by: .TakaM on June 27, 2007, 12:29:55 pm
Man, Quadraxis must be one of the greatest bosses ever, I actually vsed him 3 times- the first I died because I thought I could beat him with not much health, no light/dark ammo and only a dozen or so missiles :P, then I vsed him twice again because he was so awesome :y:
The dark suit already looked very cool, but the light suit just looks so damn awesome, makes all those little 10 second loading scenes that extra bit better :)
To be harshly honest, I'm not enjoying Echoes as much as the first prime (hard to best).
Mainly because the backtracking is rather excessive and I just preferred prime's world better, I know its rather cliched having an ice world, a lava world, a water world etc but it all felt so believable and filled with culture.
Whereas the Echoes world is just a bit too similar all round, I suppose it's more realistic that way, but with such contrasting areas in the first Prime, it made each and every room so easy to remember, and in Echoes, you could swap rooms and areas from different 'worlds' and they wouldn't seem completely out of place.. Anywho, Quadraxis makes it all worth it (there wasn't much to redeem really though ;))
Post by: chigsam on June 27, 2007, 01:32:39 pm
Post by: AdamAtomic on June 27, 2007, 04:33:04 pm
Post by: chigsam on June 27, 2007, 04:40:53 pm
Post by: huZba on June 27, 2007, 04:45:53 pm
Post by: LoTekK on June 27, 2007, 04:51:56 pm
PS. Don't ask me why Singapore got the release a week earlier than everywhere else, because I have no clue. I'm confused myself, but I'm certainly not complaining
Post by: .TakaM on June 27, 2007, 05:22:00 pm
yeah quadraxis was the highlight of echoes for sure...sorry to say but its all downhill from there :Phaving to find another nine keys is really lame, at least its not too much of a challenge and some of them have little puzzles to figure out in order to get the key
yes he was pretty fun. isnt he the big worm? i remember his name but not what he looks like, if he is the worm hes the best boss ever!the big (giant) security robot spider ;)
I can't remember if it's ever been discussed here, but Metroid Prime 3:
Man I am so psyched for the game, I can't remember what magazine it was, but they said they think it will revolutionize the FPS genre, I doubt MP3 will be an FPS considering the first two weren't, but with more responsive controls it might end up with a bigger emphasis on shooting ???
whatever, my most anticipated Wii title easily, looking forward to some new footage from e3 :)
Post by: Xion on June 27, 2007, 06:17:12 pm
I haven't been keeping up with MP3, though.
Post by: Zero on June 27, 2007, 07:17:18 pm
I haven't been keeping up with MP3, though.
Probably not the best appreviation to give it... :P
Post by: Xion on June 27, 2007, 07:20:53 pm
I didn't even notice that.
Post by: .TakaM on June 28, 2007, 12:57:41 pm
Just got back from the premiere of Transformers. First, a disclaimer: yes, the drama and comedy and very much Michael Bay (ie, generally painful). That said... damn, watching those big robots get around, transform, fight, etc, was simply awesome. Watching it again tomorrow, since I already bought tickets, hee hee. :p The fact that Megan Fox looks smoking hot doesn't hurt, either. ^_^went to see it tonight, awesome movie, some scenes are a little cheesy, but definitely glad I went to see it.
PS. Don't ask me why Singapore got the release a week earlier than everywhere else, because I have no clue. I'm confused myself, but I'm certainly not complaining
theatre was full and probably 90% male, actually heard a few "YEAH!"s at certain points :P
Post by: Faceless on June 28, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Way to fuck up the classic designs of every single last Transformer Michael Bay. May you never touch one of my childhood memories again.
Post by: .TakaM on June 28, 2007, 01:26:55 pm
I don't think I could bring myself to stomach that abomination they're calling Transformers.bah, the simpler designs from the cartoons were a necessary compromise, if they had the tools and technology they probably would've designed the transformers like that in the first place.
Way to fuck up the classic designs of every single last Transformer Michael Bay. May you never touch one of my childhood memories again.
only thing I thought was a bit ridiculous was megatron turning into a jet, I mean he had been frozen for thousands of years, when did he scan a jet?
edit-
the new transformer toys however, are a complete disgrace, half of them don't even transform :mean:
Post by: huZba on June 28, 2007, 03:30:34 pm
The proper toys do transform, most of them have parts that when you move one piece it transforms other bits.
And the concept of the whole series has been transforming all the time from those early blocky toys that originated from japan to some rather obscure things like beast wars.
Oh and faceless, you're joking right? That sentence is pretty much exactly what has already evolved to an internet MEME that is copypasted to every single transformers thread.
[Edit] Takam, i haven't seen the movie yet, but megatron's been a jet/robot since his days on cybertron. Just not a human jet. They constantly change their alt. mode.
Onto other news, i found the Dune spice opera soundtrack by Stéphane Picq. Really nice stuff. Did some checkin and seems like he's done music to a lot of games i used to play back in the day, like megarace.
Post by: Panda on June 28, 2007, 04:18:37 pm
I like transformers as much as the next guy, but the new designs are ugh. They have so many pieces everywhere to the point where you don't really know what is what. Even the movie poster makes you wonder if they just put textures randomly.
But then again, looking forward to watch the film.
Post by: LoTekK on June 28, 2007, 05:05:44 pm
And I agree with huZba on the toys. Not all are cool (the cheaper line is a little meh), but Prime and Starscream are definite standouts, imho.
As for the jet thing, he wasn't an earth jet, he was in his original alien craft form.
Also, while some of the nostalgia throwbacks were rather cheesy, most were quite awesome. "Starscream, you have failed me once again." Hee hee hee. xD
Post by: Xion on June 28, 2007, 11:21:33 pm
Post by: Faceless on June 29, 2007, 03:40:29 am
@huZba:
Absolutely serious. I take the fact that so many people are saying it as proof that I'm right.
They've updated some of the designs in the comics and they still manage to remain loyal to the originals.
Furthermore, the original designs look at least 10x tougher than the new ones.
What was so wrong with the old designs that they had to make the new ones unrecognisable?
Post by: huZba on June 29, 2007, 04:36:26 pm
In front of a big movie theather they had set up a transformers themed stage. They had transformers music playing in the backround and some shrilankan dancers doing robot while the crowd cheered for them. The guys were quite skilled too. I got goosebumbs for the sheer coolness....
Oh and happy birthday Xion!
Post by: bengo on June 29, 2007, 11:50:56 pm
Post by: Helm on June 29, 2007, 11:57:51 pm
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Post by: Conzeit on June 30, 2007, 01:08:39 am
um, am I not alone or is NO_ONE else missing all the banners and operation options that usually appear on the top part of the forum?
Post by: robalan on June 30, 2007, 02:09:19 am
Post by: Conzeit on June 30, 2007, 02:21:54 am
Post by: Darien on June 30, 2007, 04:13:19 am
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 01, 2007, 04:20:38 pm
(http://adam.lastchancemedia.com/sprites/jetball.gif)
It was for a game I programmed in the fall of 2003 in about 120 hours. I think I was 21. So all you 17 year old kids on here who are already way better than I was at 21...I hate you. I used an existing engine called DXFramework or something like that. It was okay, nothing amazing but not really bad (aside from being like a bloated 10mb). I also did the atrocious music :D Cool features include being able to change all the levels and gfx and the level select menu externally, and decent 2 player gameplay. Horrible, horrible aspects include AI i wrote in one night, abominable music, some buggy collisions here and there, and the pixel "art" :D
EDIT: I thought I should upload the game's title screen too, for full newb-tastic frikkin horrible pixel art maximization:
(http://adam.lastchancemedia.com/sprites/jetball_title.gif)
Check THAT out.
You know what lets keep the flood of frikkin awful old pixel art going, shall we? A couple months after I finished the game I did my first ever mockup as a gift for my dad, who worked this pretty dull job in an office building in Arizona at the time:
(http://adam.lastchancemedia.com/art/zombie_office.jpg)
We all have to start somewhere right :P
Post by: LoTekK on July 01, 2007, 04:59:02 pm
It was for a game I programmed in the fall of 2003 in about 120 hours. I think I was 21. So all you 17 year old kids on here who are already way better than I was at 21...I hate you.Way to make me feel like an old fart. :p
Post by: Sherman Gill on July 01, 2007, 06:10:44 pm
Speaking of comics, can anyone recommend any good cyberpunkish/dystopian future ones?Both V for Vendetta and The Watchmen are awesome for that, I'm thinkin', Darien.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 01, 2007, 06:32:42 pm
Post by: philipptr on July 01, 2007, 06:40:09 pm
I have continued working on a game I have posted a thread on some while ago (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3145 (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3145)), and need some critism again. So should I resurect the old thread land add everything I want to show about this project there, ike for example adarias did with Partisan, or should I create a new thread and avoid bumping the old thread?
Post by: LoTekK on July 01, 2007, 06:40:27 pm
The artwork is lovely, very loose.
philipp, I haven't been here too long, but it would probably make sense to revive the thread. On most forums thread revival is only frowned upon if it's someone else bumping it after a long period of inactivity.
Post by: robalan on July 01, 2007, 08:37:39 pm
Both V for Vendetta and The Watchmen are awesome for that, I'm thinkin', Darien.Indeed, those are both quite good.
Post by: Akira on July 01, 2007, 11:42:53 pm
Akira is really awesome too!
I should collect all these out of context quotes and make a signature out of them. Man, I would look so awesome.
Post by: Xion on July 02, 2007, 08:17:41 pm
My first thief!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFSoLTdC-Bw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFSoLTdC-Bw)
:n: :yell: :n:
Post by: Rox on July 02, 2007, 10:15:05 pm
It's almost as if I'm trying to compensate for something? But it can't be my own art, music, or earlier video work... Because when I look at most of my own finished pieces, I feel surprised that somethnig that good came from my own hands. I seriously underestimate myself at times. So... why the hell does it feel so good to find one of those MS Paint cars on Youtube and just... complain about it? I don't get it. It's not like I WANT to complain.
Although it does feel good...
Post by: Zolthorg on July 03, 2007, 12:10:27 am
Post by: Helm on July 03, 2007, 12:53:59 am
Post by: Dusty on July 03, 2007, 01:12:05 am
having to find another nine keys is really lame, at least its not too much of a challenge and some of them have little puzzles to figure out in order to get the key
I loved Prime, but I have to agree, for some reason Echoes doesn't really float too well with me. The backtracking does seem a lot worse in it, and I also hate finding those keys. The clues are so vague, and I swear I've looked everywhere for them but never found them all and stopped playing. It feels like the triforce pieces for WW all over again.
Maybe I'll try getting back into it, I dunno, I just got Pokemon Diamond so that'll probably keep me occupied for a while.
Post by: Jad on July 03, 2007, 11:37:46 pm
you feel good when you're masturbating, sounds normal to me.
Fixed.
Post by: Rox on July 05, 2007, 01:32:32 am
Anyone know of any way to fix any of that? It's strange how a new, "improved" version manages to change so many things that made me like Firefox in the first place...
Post by: ptoing on July 05, 2007, 01:43:26 am
Post by: .TakaM on July 05, 2007, 01:59:58 am
So, I just upgraded Firefox after a few days of it nagging me to do it. And I kinda like the older version better... This one makes gif animations stutter when I have too many tabs open. The old version didn't. This one also allows fewer tabs on the screen before you have to scroll among them. Which suddenly makes tabs a lot less useful. I prefer tiny icons to pick from rather than having to scroll back and forth to find what I'm looking for. It also annoys me that they suddenly put the "close tab" button in the same place as IE. I liked always having it in the same corner of the screen. Makes it a lot easier to skim quickly through a lot of tabs, which I do very often. Just hovering the mouse up there and clicking the little red X until I find something new and/or interesting.I've stopped using winamp because it asks me to update every time I use it, the first or second time I said "fine, update it then"
Anyone know of any way to fix any of that? It's strange how a new, "improved" version manages to change so many things that made me like Firefox in the first place...
I have to visit their site and go through the process all over again, not like it's complicated or anything, but it should be built in like all programs, click update, progress bar, done. :n:
Post by: Sherman Gill on July 05, 2007, 02:05:16 am
So, I just upgraded Firefox after a few days of it nagging me to do it. And I kinda like the older version better... This one makes gif animations stutter when I have too many tabs open. The old version didn't. This one also allows fewer tabs on the screen before you have to scroll among them. Which suddenly makes tabs a lot less useful. I prefer tiny icons to pick from rather than having to scroll back and forth to find what I'm looking for. It also annoys me that they suddenly put the "close tab" button in the same place as IE. I liked always having it in the same corner of the screen. Makes it a lot easier to skim quickly through a lot of tabs, which I do very often. Just hovering the mouse up there and clicking the little red X until I find something new and/or interesting.I know Seamonkey (An open source derivative of FF) runs way way smoother than Firefox, which fixes the GIF stuttering.
Anyone know of any way to fix any of that? It's strange how a new, "improved" version manages to change so many things that made me like Firefox in the first place...
Post by: Akira on July 05, 2007, 02:15:30 am
I've stopped using winamp...Might i suggest songbird (http://www.songbirdnest.com/)? its still got lotsa bugs and stuff but its starting to look pretty good. Still not sure about the browser though.
Winamp updates are bullshit. They only ever seem to add crap to the media library that you don't need. And not fix the bugs with the skins :n:.
Post by: Faceless on July 05, 2007, 09:36:20 am
I don't know what to think... I don't know what to say...
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 05, 2007, 02:06:29 pm
if you're not bruce timm...you should never ever try to draw like bruce timm. ever. I hate that people think that the key to B:TAS's success was the animation style, rather than the high quality writing, acting, music, and overall production values contributing to an original sense of atmosphere and quality.
Post by: huZba on July 05, 2007, 02:08:37 pm
The movie was made of robots, battle and awesome. Autobots were funky (especially jazz) and the decepticons were quite sceary.
Also it had so many little things happening in the backround that i just have to see the movie again if i could spot some more. I think starscream took a shot at megatron's back, but i'm not completely sure. Anyway, not gonna rant more to avoid spoiling it to anyone.
http://uk.media.tv.ign.com/media/945/945821/img_4653798.html
I don't know what to think... I don't know what to say...
Hehe, it has "cartoon network" written all over it. Looks kinda nice imo, but it's probably aimed at 10 year olds that usually watch the channel. Gonna check it out anyway, cause you never know. They made that batman cartoon in a similar style and first i was like ehhhhh, but it was actually allright.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 05, 2007, 02:46:09 pm
1 - Starscream will actively attempt to usurp the Decepticon throne
2 - Prime is the baddest motherf*cker on the planet, and likely in the galaxy
In the new movie, Prime was a total pussy who got his ass handed to him by Megatron (who was inexpicably like 20 feet taller than all the other transformers??), and Starscream lacked personality. Of course, ALL the characters in the movie lacked personality. They were plot devices, not people. The plot, even just sticking to the story laid out by the film, makes NO f*cking sense whatsoever. At 2.5 hours, we don't get to see prime for the first hour, and Megatron is not even mentioned in the first 90 minutes. And this is a TRANSFORMERS movie??? Exactly WHO are they introducing these characters to? Is there somebody out there going to see this movie that DOESN'T remember Optimus Prime? I mean come on! On top of that, and this doesn't really qualify as a spoiler, the final battle scene takes place in a cramped, crowded city. That's right - characters who can, at will, transform into flying and driving vehicles duke it out in a civilian population center, and in like a 2 block radius at that. I don't care who you are or how many paint chips you ate as a kid, that is just retarded.
On the upside, both Prime and Starscream do get one decent action scene. But it adds up to maybe 4 minutes worth of screen time, out of two and a half hours worth. If you have any attachment to the transformers personalities or characters from the original show and series I really doubt you will like this new movie. If you want to see robots punching each other in the face, and some teen booby action, well, this movie DOES have that. But even then, it feels more like Gears of War meets The OC rather than Transformers...
I guess my issue with the movie is this. They could have gone two different routes with it and made a VERY good movie. The first would be chunky, classic robot designs, a tongue-in-cheek attitude, basically all-out fan-service. Jump right into the action, no dicking around with some marines in the desert etc. The second approach would be to put a lot of effort into approaching a realistic premise with some amount of logic and planning; engender a fear of complex technology in the viewer, get some real themes going on there, and make at least a minimal effort to provide a cohesive or sensible plot. Unfortunately, Michael Bay took the middle road, which resulted in kind of annoying bot designs, flat characters, and the biggest plot hole I've ever seen in any movie ever :P
Post by: Rox on July 05, 2007, 03:01:39 pm
judging by the amount of ranting about stuff you like and don't like I think you need a blog :P
Heh, yeah right. I don't rant THAT much. Oh, well, okay, I do. But usually I tend to only rant if I get a meaningful response. Usually a rant from me derives from, or will spark some sort of interesting discussion. That wouldn't happen with a blog. Besides, no one would read it anyway. I'm not ranting now, either, I just wanna know if there's an easy fix to these problems I'd like fixed. Apparently, there's not.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm rapidly closing in on the 200 hour mark on Oblivion. That game seriously just keeps on giving. And I've still only gotten to the top of one of the guilds, and just now started with the Fighters guild. So I've got quite a few hours to go, still.
Post by: Dusty on July 05, 2007, 03:22:45 pm
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Stuff about FirefoxTo be honest, I hate all the changes they've made with tabs as well, and agree with every point you made.
Post by: huZba on July 05, 2007, 03:25:44 pm
I don't think even by watching the original series for two and a half hours you would get an idea of all of their personalities. You only have so much time and with that kind of a cast you simply have to sacrifice something. That said, the ending seems to set up for giving more character in the sequel, in case you watched the clips during ending credits. Kinda hints who's going to be the main man in the possible next movie.
Finally, i really try to get into new things from a fresh table to see things in their own self contained worlds rather than going oooo bay you mufukka destroy my childhood cause megs doesn't transform into a walther P38. :lol: That's why i like a lot of things... hatin' is not fun
Still i do understand where you're coming from Atomic, and i kinda could agree with your points, but i kinda don't mind at all :P
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 05, 2007, 04:43:44 pm
The plot was soooooo preposterous, even by the movie's own standards. The plot as I understood it is basically this: Megatron's plan was to use the All Spark to convert Earth's technology into an army of his own. Which sounds, in the movie's world, very reasonable. However, Megatron crashed into the arctic circle approx. two thousand years ago, according to the movie. When there wasn't any human technology to speak of. Also, by the movie's own plot and admission, ALL of the human technology that Megatron intended to convert into an army, was invented based on the technology they discovered by studying MEGATRON. All of a sudden you have a major chicken-and-egg issue here. The tech that Megatron wants to convert was only invented AFTER he arrived on earth in search of the All Spark, and it was ONLY invented after HE himself had been discovered. So did he intentionally crashland into the frozen wastelands of the arctic in order to set this whole unlikely series of events into action?
It's just retarded to me. I'd be perfectly willing to let it slide if it wasn't just one of the many cheap things about the film though.
Post by: huZba on July 05, 2007, 04:57:48 pm
Megatron was just searching for the allspark, nothing else, and now since the earth is filled with tech he WOULD use it to construct an army if he did get his hands on the allspark. I mean i would do that if i was megatron and had the allspark, so that would be the reasonable thing for prime to assume. .
end sPOILARZ
Haha, wasn't that weird afterall now was it?
Post by: Zolthorg on July 05, 2007, 10:32:34 pm
any thoughts on the commercialism and advertising through the movie? I've heard 'bad bad bad' but it didn't bother me.
for the record, i liked the movie, but i've only ever been attached to the 'beasties' show, and known very little about the traditional transformers. .
Post by: bengo on July 05, 2007, 11:03:12 pm
any thoughts on the commercialism and advertising through the movie? I've heard 'bad bad bad' but it didn't bother me.Haven't seen the movie but hey, don't let product placement ruin entertainment, also get a Dell PC they work great at very reasonable prices, anyway, I think its fair that they're going to make millions off of the movie alone, so why not just add to that? Millionaires need more money, oh hey, lets not stop there, lets put product placement in video games! Because when I'm playing Splinter Cell, I want to be reminded that Burger King is the best fast food chain ever. Oh oh and put product placement in comics too, because when Tony Stark aka Iron Man needs new parts for his suit, he knows that Autozone will have the best and cheapest parts. I can understand commercials, I can understand previews before a movie, I can understand ads in a comic book but I don't want that crap in there, it's annoying and it ruins it because its not so they can keep the show/game company/whatever going, its just so they can make an extra buck or two.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 06, 2007, 12:29:53 am
GMC
Chevrolet
Pontiac
Cadillac
The Strokes
Mountain Dew
Apple
Nokia
Microsoft/XBox 360
EDIT - Forgot non-transformers Hasbro brands like My Little Pony and Furby...
And those are just the ones that I remember :P
Post by: rabidbaboy on July 06, 2007, 04:23:57 am
Hey, hee, hum!Haha, that's happened to me already.
My first thief!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFSoLTdC-Bw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFSoLTdC-Bw)
:n: :yell: :n:
I don't know about you, but I had a mixed feeling of injustice and joy. Joy because someone actually found my work worth stealing, heh. :D
Hope it gets sorted out.
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http://uk.media.tv.ign.com/media/945/945821/img_4653798.htmlCan't they at least actually try to put a little more effort and creativity into it? :'(
I don't know what to think... I don't know what to say...
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 05:09:29 am
@adam. If you go searching for flaws you'll find them cause your brain will work overtime just to make a plot hole that doesn't exist. Also GMC, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Cadillac = General motors. The transformers had to be some cars and they couldn't be their original alt forms cause Volkswagen and porche for example don't want to be associated with war toys.
Post by: Helm on July 06, 2007, 05:12:26 am
Post by: ptoing on July 06, 2007, 02:14:01 pm
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/x8X9qTCx/Samsung_Dance (http://www.shoutfile.com/v/x8X9qTCx/Samsung_Dance)
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 02:27:20 pm
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 03:54:33 pm
Post by: Dusty on July 06, 2007, 05:08:53 pm
Advertising has long been used to keep things free, or relatively free, for consumers, now everyone is jumping in knowing that they can get an extra buck off of it.
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 05:23:02 pm
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 05:47:20 pm
As for what determines what games have in them? Well that's the people who buy games. If you don't like the ingame advertising, don't buy the game, simple as that. Don't want more sequels? Don't buy sequels. Companies make what people want to make money, that's what companies do. And you don't "usually" make big hits with low production values. When a company just wants to make a fine game no strings attached, reviewers go like LOL WTF production values HELLO. Personally i haven't come across that much of it anyway, maybe Dante wearing a Diesel jacket in Devil may cry, which fits there. If it was something like dante suddenly going HEY I'M USING AN IPOD, IPOD ROCKS, it would be REALLY weird.
Nintendo seemed ready to give up around when there was the first news of the follower to xbox. I think iwata said something about not liking the situation at all, where game production becomes too expensive to be reasonable, so that's how they came up with something like the wii and ds, probably long before the news for these new next gen consoles. And well, the wii and DS are a remarkable success, which might steer the evolution of videogames to a more stable situation.
Now Dusty, if you were the head of a videogame company, would you not try and do everything you can in order to ensure your company's survival? Most likely, since if you didn't some other company suerly WOULD use whatever means and leave you second. That's how the world works and that's why 80% of the world is ridicilously poor and making us all these nice toys we have around us.
Post by: LoTekK on July 06, 2007, 06:08:08 pm
Post by: Zolthorg on July 06, 2007, 06:18:04 pm
http://www.encyclopedia-obscura.com/gamesprodplacement.html
heck; licensed games like all those movie games are pretty well just advertisements themselves, aren't they?
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 06:33:37 pm
Post by: LoTekK on July 06, 2007, 07:17:07 pm
Besides, if you think about it (and yes, I'm siding with Bay in this case), he shaved a shitload off his relatively meagre budget simply by going with GMC (what was it, 3-4 million USD worth of hot cars?), money that went towards vfx, for example. Basically, I'm fine with product placement as long as it fits with the movie or game. I have no problem seeing a billboard for Coca Cola in, say, GTA (yes, I know they make up their own products), though I'd have a big problem with a Coca Cola health potion in WoW (unless they did a major rebranding push purely for the game in order for it to fit the period/atmosphere/etc).
Also, "fun" is a piss poor way of trying to ensure sales, considering the consumer market. How many well-made games, fun games, beautiful games, etc etc, got piss poor sales in the last year alone and doomed their dev houses to getting shut down? How many shitty budget titles sold a metric assload of copies?
That said, the Wii has plenty of pretty awesome titles, and not necessarily first-party, either. Plenty more third-party titles in the pipeline, too. And remember that it's still doing well in Japan. I could care less how many polies my console is pushing, or how many shader pipelines it's using simultaneously, I just wanna enjoy myself. And I enjoy the hell out of the Wii games I've played.
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 07:49:07 pm
@lotekk
Bay actually did all he could to stay in the 150million budget for the movie. In the end when it was creeping over that sum, Bay himself took a slice off his own paycheck and convinced some others in the team to do the same. There's a load of other stunts in the movie to keep down the costs, big product placements being the most apparent. I almost facepalmed at the Nokia phone part actually. The nokia robot on the other hand was really funny.
Good product placement can work nicely, like those in ice hockey or basketball games, they actually fit there. But like you said, there are times when it's just too much, which is of course due to the fact that the owners of the products want good visibility and they'll pay more money for it.
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 08:02:54 pm
Also Splinter Cell has ingame advertisement, i think it was at least with Nivea and probably some US army recruit posters.That was my point, why does a big franchise like Splinter Cell need in-game advertising? Also, Dead Rising didn't have any product placement in it, just made up crap(I think).
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 06, 2007, 08:07:08 pm
That's my beef anyways :P Maybe I'm just too sensitive...I don't even wear clothing with external brands, haven't for years, bothers and distracts me...
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 08:20:15 pm
@bengoshia
Splinter Cell was moving to Next gen and most likely needed new sources of income to cover for new expenses. This was covered in the article on gamedeveloper and was stated as exploring sources other than just game sales. It's not that the team's life depended on the ads, but it was one part that contributes to the whole. Aaand, in dead rising, bang bang, i'm shooting you with my megabuster.
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 08:48:49 pm
Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 09:07:34 pm
Onto other news, i just got Cooking Mama for DS. It's about uh... cooking things... with cooking mama.. basically a collection of minigames, kinda like wario ware, except all cookiing related. Really fast fun when you don't feel like engaging in a game with full power, but rather just feel like playing for a minute.
Post by: bengo on July 06, 2007, 09:12:47 pm
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Post by: huZba on July 06, 2007, 09:28:09 pm
This just in: Ninja Gaiden sigma for PS3 has already sold almost half a million copies. (if i understood the german site correctly, my german is a bit rusty)
I bought it as well. Seems like there is A LOT of gamehungry PS3 owners that rip ps3 titles off the shelves as soon as they're released. So that'll bring some carrot for gamedevs to reach for when they make games for the PS3 platform. So there are roughly 3 million people who have very few games for their expensive console. Happy days for PS3 devs.
Post by: Rox on July 06, 2007, 10:39:50 pm
I hear they're making a real sequel for the 360, though. And until then, there's Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword which looks incredible. I might pick up the Transformers DS game, too. And MegaMan ZX Advent. I need games for my DS. The more games you have for a system, the less you feel like the system itself was a waste of money.
Not that I'd think so of my DS Lite anyway, because Animal Crossing kept me playing for exactly every day for ALMOST a full year. I was just, like, a month short or something, when my attention started failing. That's getting your money's worth from a game!
Post by: .TakaM on July 06, 2007, 10:54:31 pm
In the transformers movie, the only advertising I noticed was the fat nerd exclaiming to his camera how this is "way cooler than armageddon", and the 360, mountain dew transformers, I thought the armageddon mention was the worst, all were completely unnecessary but atleast the 360 and mountain dew cameos weren't just a simple flash of the logos
...might pick up the Transformers DS game...I checked the game out... average at best :n:
Post by: Helm on July 07, 2007, 12:05:10 am
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As for what determines what games have in them? Well that's the people who buy games. If you don't like the ingame advertising, don't buy the game, simple as that. Don't want more sequels? Don't buy sequels
Oh wow, your idea of consumer causality seems really ass-backwards. So buyers should excercise their god-given FREE WILL FOREVER and completely disregard years of force-fed social conditioning and downright mental programming (buy buy more things you recognize spend more money look remember logo brand buy consume cognate desire with consumption buy buy take more you need more you can never have enough entertainment is an injection send more money) and just break out of their imposed rote and start making responsible choices with how they spend their money. That's how the world changes.
No, those of us that have the cultural background and mental fortitude to see the advertising trends should publically and vocally dissent, we have to apply political force to counter the rampant advertisement encroachment of communication space and help the average joe have a chance to defend their brain from the constant attack. We are in a constant war of attrition with memetic bombardment and people don't just 'snap out of it and start behaving responsibly'. This is a relatively new concept and people don't know in how much danger they are yet, and boy, are people selling us stuff taking advantage of this preliminary innocence.
This is a grander issue than the quote that made me tackle it, but still, I just wanted to tell you that you're looking for the onset of consumer responsibility in the wrong place.
Post by: huZba on July 07, 2007, 08:29:57 am
Anway, if having in-game advertising for example in a game has negative effect for sales and mr reviewer says that this is the one thing that really sucks about this game, they will reduce it. If NHL 200X drops sales compared to the previous one and mr reviewer says it's not new enough, they will work to make something new next time. That's what i mean and now that i look at i'd change the "more sequels" to "bad sequels". Small things affect sales...ridicilously small, it's all in the numbers. If feature XY makes people like the game 1% less, that will show in sales. If some feature is big and bad enough to have people start spreading the bad buzz about it, that feature will be less likely used by others. Some series have had a constant decline in sales just due to the fact that you can't constantly sell sequels in the same series for same people, they will get tired and stop buying the games, they don't have to snap out of it. When this happens they refurbish the series(like Megaman / Megaman X / Megaman ZX / Megaman Legends /Megaman EXE / Megaman Starforce, which are standalone series, but way different from each other luckily still gaining momentum from the megaman brand) or start making another one.
But why should the joe be helped? People like having strong image for their products and enjoy it. I like the associations coming with the transformers toys on my table. The marketing totally droned me, but i don't mind. They're cool on their own, but even better with moar mental images.. i really feel like going to buy a yellow camaro with black racing stripes and putting the autobot logo on the steering wheel. If i see a transforming robot toy in the store and it's not Transformers, i'll instantly go "That's totally shit, it's not transformers"
I didn't mean to say that people need to make more responsible choices, since whatever rocks their boat is just fine with me, but that their choices determine things regardless.
Post by: Jad on July 07, 2007, 11:22:36 am
And it worked perfectly. The most powerful items are the real Megaman X parts. It gets all dead rising players talking about megaman, increasing public awareness of the megaman series. Cheers for inafune for such a cunning stunt.
WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS WRONG WITH MY BRAINS?
It subconsciously replaced the 'c' and 'st' in 'c'unning 'stunt' and I was so confused I had to read it over for like three times before I realize what really was written there.
Failure D;
Post by: Feron on July 07, 2007, 11:34:31 am
Post by: bengo on July 07, 2007, 11:47:18 am
Post by: Helm on July 07, 2007, 02:38:30 pm
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I didn't mean to say that people need to make more responsible choices, since whatever rocks their boat is just fine with me.
oh, that's just great.
Post by: huZba on July 07, 2007, 03:22:07 pm
Still talking about things people buy to entertain themselves, like videogames. If i want to make myself look bad, i'm perfectly capable of doing it myself, i don't need you helping out like that. ::)QuoteI didn't mean to say that people need to make more responsible choices, since whatever rocks their boat is just fine with me.
oh, that's just great.
Damn you jad, when i came back i misread the quoted and bolded "cunning stunt" as well.... u know, words close together, read fast, see letters, brain finds first closest match.
--seems like smash bros brawl wont get online play.... so is pokemon so far the only online game for wii? Seems like i have to actually get some friends over to play rather than kickin' their arses online. It's merrier like that anyway.
Post by: Helm on July 07, 2007, 03:38:23 pm
We are living in a time where entertainment and information are coalescing. And you're suggesting a double-standard that is impossible to enforce. How people deal with their entertainment (yes, their 'videogames') is how they will deal with their political choices, their social choices, everything. And in fact blind consumerism is the number one trait western societies seem to suffer from, and it's the same people who are making this happen that are benefitting from it: people selling shit.
So yes, socialism, state control of the market for the benefit of mankind.
Post by: bengo on July 07, 2007, 03:59:47 pm
Post by: huZba on July 07, 2007, 06:14:43 pm
I completely understand you helm, but it's nearly impossible to make a change in the system when you'd have to shatter cornerstones. So i try not to think about it, that's why i don't care if someone buys Halo3 instead of something less commercial. If i did care, it would mean i'd have to give up some nice things myself and i don't want that and it's selfish, i know, but where do i draw the line when the choices are only in range from evil and very evil, with the added bonus choice of blowing things up. AND STILL it's sometimes very hard to tell the difference between your irresponsible and less irresponsible choice. There are already things disguised as something responsible, when it can be the very worst choice possible. The western world is in a state of being very happy without knowing the real source of their happiness where even the optimal situation isn't really acceptable in my book, so i close that page not knowing what to do.
I mean.. can you escape the cycle even if you tried? Would it not call for new measures to keep you in?
Post by: Feron on July 07, 2007, 06:47:50 pm
Post by: Dusty on July 07, 2007, 10:04:01 pm
Post by: ptoing on July 07, 2007, 10:49:57 pm
because for every aware person, there are mindless legions that will buy it any ways.
fixed :P
Post by: Helm on July 07, 2007, 11:29:23 pm
So instead of respecting other people's choices i'd have to go judging them for their irresponsibility?
Yes. That would obviously mean you're being irresponsible yourself, but at least then you wouldn't be lying to yourself about it.
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In order for us to be rich, a whole lot of other people need to be piss poor.
This doesn't have to be like that forever, and it certainly doesn't have to get worse and worse. Even a little good is better than a little bad. I'm not saying we'll change the world, but at least we won't be lying to ourselves. If you live in a democratic society, you have choices to make, and yes most of the time they're between evil and less evil, but at least you wouldn't be a cynic, and you wouldn't be lying to yourself.
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i know, but where do i draw the line when the choices are only in range from evil and very evil, with the added bonus choice of blowing things up.
You draw the line in that nebulous place where you can keep on living, and still live with yourself.
Post by: huZba on July 08, 2007, 08:20:10 am
At times i envy some of my friends with main concerns relating to their car's bodykit instead of having a cloud of guilt hanging over. So then i go like shooo, indulge in something trivial, like why on earth zelda has brown hair instead of blonde in smash bros brawl. For the same reason i like activities that require concentration, like making art or playing games.
Post by: Feron on July 08, 2007, 09:27:12 am
Post by: fawel on July 08, 2007, 11:28:56 am
i find living is a lot easier if you don't care about anything.
I'm not sure if that qualifies as living <_<;;
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In order for us to be rich, a whole lot of other people need to be piss poor.
Wealth is created and destroyed all the time, do you really think that everything comes from an ultimate "zero?"
Post by: Helm on July 08, 2007, 12:11:54 pm
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I kinda have to be lying to myself to some extent in order to live with myself.
yes, we all do. How much is the thing, what's the ratio? There's a world of difference between not being able to tell the truth, and being a fucking liar, man.
Feron: I'm sorry to hear that.
Post by: JJ Naas on July 08, 2007, 01:12:44 pm
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In order for us to be rich, a whole lot of other people need to be piss poor.
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Wealth is created and destroyed all the time, do you really think that everything comes from an ultimate "zero?"
In the era of feudalism the amount of riches was thought to be a certain number, which didn't increase or decrease and all you could do was to try go gather as much from that pile to yourself as you can. But of course these days the whole capitalistic system is based on the fact that wealth can be used to generate more wealth. Buying stocks is a bit like betting.. you bet your money in a hope of ultimately receiving money that doesn't exist yet. If you bet well and are lucky, the excess money will be born and you profit from it as well. The whole world economy sort of works because of the illusionary money that doesn't exist yet but that soon will, if people just keep on betting.
Anyway.. the problem is of course how it's divided, not where it comes from. The solution that the capitalists often propose is that if a small number of people make a lot of money, eventually some of that money will also seep downwards to the poor people. However, that just doesn't seem to happen, especially when it comes to the issue of Western World vs. the Third World.
Games and other such products ( books, music, movies etc. ) are important because they make life worth living, escapism is needed from time to time, otherwise we'd be living in a world where working would be the one and only thing in life. You'd work all day, talk about work with your work mates during the lunch break from cradle to grave. Sometimes it seems though as if being constantly entertained had become the sole purpose of their life... which will certainly lead to excessive consuming and playing Starcraft until you drop dead. ;)
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 08, 2007, 03:23:58 pm
Post by: Rox on July 08, 2007, 04:55:56 pm
Actually, not caring about anything could be interpreted as a rather zen way of living. Go sit under a tree and let your mind drift until you find something that matters, and stop caring about anything that isn't related to that. That's still living. In fact, I think they made a religion that started with something like that...
Post by: bengo on July 08, 2007, 05:06:21 pm
Post by: Feron on July 08, 2007, 06:59:06 pm
Feron: I'm sorry to hear that.
why?, if you stop caring about politics, society, poverty, diversity, consumerism, communism, gaming emulation, animals, terrosim, other people, and the world in general then theres nothing to argue and worry about. I find just doing what i want makes me happy so why should i give a fuck about anything else.
Post by: ptoing on July 08, 2007, 07:43:34 pm
Post by: Rox on July 08, 2007, 08:12:23 pm
But I don't really get involved in any of it. It's not something I think of on a daily basis. It's not something I feel affects me (aside from the damn Jehova dudes), and even more importantly, it's not something I can affect more than I already am. So it'd be a waste to worry too much. Sometimes you have to drop concerns, drop thinking, in order to truly live. That's not the same as not giving a crap about anything, of course, but it's along the same line.
Actually, the world would probably be better off if everyone would just do what makes them happy and not bother with anything else. Might take us back to the iron age, but at least back then we were much less prone to destroying the entire planet. Yeah, I'm actually more concerned about the health of the world than the condition of the human race... god, I'm such a hippie.
Post by: fawel on July 09, 2007, 12:52:38 am
I'm a big believer in the idea that if you give rich people more money, and poor people less money, that the poor people will not, in fact, get more rich. This is based on the fact that rich people are usually rich because they like to keep and/or spend their money, which is why they are rich in the first place.
Poor people do recieve money. It's the biggest industry in the world! Almost 5 trillion is spent annually on poverty in the US alone. I feel that poor people should not receive welfare/ aid, since most of it is squandered (ie I saw a woman using food stamps to buy oysters :yell:) but rather incorporate them into industry where they can be useful.
A personal example of this- I used to volunteer with a food truck, we'd go to lower end neighboorhoods and give out food. I suggested one day that in order for the poeple to recieve their food they pick up and present 20 pieces of trash on recieval. To my astonsihment, the manger said OK; and thus the line length was cut in half. It seems many of these people have gotten to the point where they simply won't work to provide for themselves, since they know someone else will do it for them.
Haha, this post is somewhat unrelated but I really wanted to say this. Just so you know, I live in Los Angeles, so I am not very aware of how the poor are treated elsewhere, so forgive me if I seem too one-sided.
Post by: bengo on July 09, 2007, 12:56:26 am
Post by: Rox on July 09, 2007, 04:06:53 am
It seems your view on humanity and the planet is the exact opposite of mine. I think, the more we thrive, the more we destroy. It's been the trend so far, I don't see it changing very soon.
Post by: .TakaM on July 09, 2007, 04:40:46 am
I'm sure most people want to switch over to more environment-friendly shit(Even ones who don't think global warming is real, etc. They probably still figure it'd be best to do the safe thing and just switch over just in case... I hope.)I wish that was atleast the case..:
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"You know, its because of evolution that we have Earth Day. I'm againat Earth Day. If you look at the purpose and reason behind Earth Day, its satanic. People want you to think that we're in some way obligated to cleaning up the earth."more fundamentalist quotes here (http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx) :huh:
Post by: Ryumaru on July 09, 2007, 07:39:59 am
[unpaid]
I have a domain( burdenedpixel.com) and would like to have an online portfolio. I need someone that I can talk to brainstrorm website ideas( I already have some things in mind but I want to make them all more solid) and that can actually program the site for me as I know - 12% of html.
I dont know if I can pay you( which is why I said unpaid) but even if I do it would be a very small amount.( I'm 15 years old for christs sake, I dont even have a job!) but if you are ever interested in starting a project and need any graphics resources I would gladly repay the favor.
-Ryumaru.
Post by: bengo on July 10, 2007, 01:40:15 am
Post by: Ryona on July 10, 2007, 02:20:15 am
So, what did I miss?
Post by: Sherman Gill on July 10, 2007, 03:01:59 am
Post by: Faceless on July 10, 2007, 10:03:25 am
I'm really digging the character designs.
Post by: snake on July 10, 2007, 12:45:15 pm
Then I contracted Pneumonia and got stuck in bed for 4 days with constant fever, feeding on antibiotics, painkillers and fever reducers all the while having illusions of rouge metal robots forming everywhere and premiere screenings of movies on the walls.
So... Yeah.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 10, 2007, 01:53:57 pm
Post by: .TakaM on July 11, 2007, 12:11:51 am
just curious
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Finally finished Echoes.. man the final boss took me a long time to figure out, the first boss wasn't too hard, but the next boss took me ages to catch on...
good game, glad I played it :)
finished with 80% scan and 80% items btw
Post by: Faceless on July 11, 2007, 12:05:06 pm
Post by: bengo on July 11, 2007, 12:09:42 pm
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 11, 2007, 04:14:12 pm
(http://i14.tinypic.com/53hdk08.png)
Fun!
Post by: JJ Naas on July 11, 2007, 07:27:22 pm
Post by: Jad on July 11, 2007, 11:22:19 pm
If there isn't, I now dub them "blink shadows".
Jad counters!
Jad suggests: "Flicker Transparency"!
Combo-attack!!
Jad suggests: "Flicker Shadows" for when Flicker Transparency is used for shadows.
2 hit(s)!!
Post by: ptoing on July 12, 2007, 01:17:55 am
Post by: Froli on July 12, 2007, 09:29:52 am
Post by: huZba on July 12, 2007, 11:15:42 am
Nintendo played around with numbers and made me go zzzZZZZ. New metroid, Mariokart and Mario Galaxy are still interesting and they gave a release date for smash bros brawl. Wii zapper is going to bring arcade to home, at least i hope so.
Now the Sony conference was great this time around and showed some nice new games as well as new footage for quite a few upcoming titles. They announced a new PSP, which is slimmer and has a TV-out plug and better battery life. Not sure about the Playstation Home service, might be fun. But the best part was that they mostly showed games and quite nice ones too, like Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Echochrome, Warhawk, MGS4, Gran Turismo 5, Socom and Wipeout HD among others.
Good show for sony, except for the wookie, which was awkward.
Post by: .TakaM on July 12, 2007, 11:22:35 am
this years e3 though, I don't care about anything other than metroid prime 3.
Holy shit I cannot get enough of this game. !yus!
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 12, 2007, 02:51:31 pm
Post by: huZba on July 12, 2007, 03:03:36 pm
The metroid magic is all about being somewhat vague and mysterious. The most chatter so far has been between Samus and her ship's AI.....
Oh well... there was quite a few FPS games with cod4 and killzone2 being the most interesting, though i agree that the gray/brown future thing is getting a bit stale. Halo3 is pretty much the other extreme with all the fancy colors and bling bling. Reminds me of power rangers for some reason. Maybe it's the funny animals and their weapons.
Post by: Helm on July 12, 2007, 03:09:30 pm
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and her ship's AI
shut up ship AI.
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 12, 2007, 03:17:08 pm
Post by: am_pm on July 12, 2007, 03:36:41 pm
Post by: Faceless on July 12, 2007, 03:45:20 pm
Then it's typical Metroid first level affair. Escape the burning base! Escape the burning base!
Post by: Helm on July 12, 2007, 03:50:20 pm
What are you doing, Helm? Helm?
"I'm somebody you kno-ow! Of course you haven't figured it out yet so let me expound on ethical bullshit for 2 minutes of gametime!"
Post by: bengo on July 12, 2007, 04:02:03 pm
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2007, 04:04:18 pm
Was the talking in MP: Corrupt just text, or voice acting?
Post by: Faceless on July 12, 2007, 04:27:01 pm
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2007, 04:35:19 pm
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 12, 2007, 04:37:51 pm
Post by: bengo on July 12, 2007, 04:39:25 pm
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 12, 2007, 04:43:46 pm
Post by: bengo on July 12, 2007, 04:44:46 pm
Post by: huZba on July 12, 2007, 04:53:32 pm
Sonic's latest on ds, sonic rush adventure has new voice for sonic which bugs me a lot... wonder why they changed it. He didn't really annoy me much apart from funny furry adventure story in the previous game.
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2007, 05:02:08 pm
Post by: Faceless on July 12, 2007, 05:18:58 pm
He already has the same voice in everybody's mind, so why not?
Link absolutely shouldn't have a voice, but I want everyone else to be voiced in future games.
I just hope they pick good voices for Ganondorf and Zelda if they do go down that route.
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Some nice videos of MP3 and SMG in action:
Metroid:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21690.html
Galaxy:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21649.html
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 12, 2007, 06:31:36 pm
Post by: bengo on July 12, 2007, 06:40:56 pm
Post by: Rox on July 12, 2007, 07:10:15 pm
Post by: ptoing on July 12, 2007, 07:24:05 pm
AND best game on the cube and best one in the series Mr. Driller Drill Land!!!! Only Japanese tho. It rocks hard and is worth getting a modded US or Jap cube just for that if you love Mr. Driller (It's one of the games which fucks your memcard if you try to save)
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2007, 07:28:10 pm
And wtf is up with the "your session has timed out, please try to post again" crap I keep getting when I try to post :/
Post by: Feron on July 12, 2007, 07:48:33 pm
:y:
Post by: .TakaM on July 12, 2007, 09:41:18 pm
I hope not. Look at what voice acting did to sonic!I don't think voice acting is the root of sonics problems...
voice acting in Metroid? fine by me.
I know welcoming something like voice acting just makes me not look like a "true metroid head" etc... God I get sick of fans like that..: "Fusion and the prime series are NOT metroid games as far as I'm concerned, and if you like them, youre not a metroid fan"
guh, according to these true fans there are only like 3 Metroid games.
Back to the voice acting, I'm glad it's there, I think the series has reached the point where Samus should be walking around the GF ship, and all the small time soldiers are just in awe as she walks past.
there wasn't any voice acting in the first two Primes, but there was a voice delivering the epilogue ("samus aran, elite bounty hunter etc").
And in echoes, they probably should've put in voice acting, there wasn't much dialog so it wouldn't've been too hard.. I get the feeling that game got rushed in a few aspects though..
Post by: Xion on July 12, 2007, 09:46:23 pm
I'm fine with Mario having a voice.I hated Bowser's voice in Sunshine. He reminded me of that dog Spike from those cartoons. Bowser should not talk. Peach's voice is perfect, as well as everyone else, but I cannot imagine anyone making a good Bowser.
He already has the same voice in everybody's mind, so why not?
Link absolutely shouldn't have a voice, but I want everyone else to be voiced in future games.
I just hope they pick good voices for Ganondorf and Zelda if they do go down that route.
Ganondorf is my favorite videogame villain, though, and I'd love to hear one of his monologues out loud.
And yeah, no, Link should never say anything more than "Hyaaaa!" or "guh".
The Metroid Primes were fun - actually they were ridiculously fun - but I never finished either of them due to the backtracking...okay, well Echoes was a rental, but Prime...I just got tired of going through those same areas a million times over.
But it sucks though, 'cause mah bro sold our whole collection of GC games (around 30) except for Gun, Smash Bros, and Zelda: TP, only one of which is any good to me (and I'll give you a hint: it ain't Zelda or Gun.)
The F-Zero story was impossible.
Welcome back, Feron.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 12, 2007, 09:54:52 pm
You can tell other metroid stories, sure, but they will not work as well, or be evocative of the emotions or feelings that people have come to love about the series so much. As soon as live humans (voice acting or not) enter the picture, you lose that, and to me that is a very big loss. Metroid Prime's atmosphere is way better than Echoes', largely because Echoes starts out with you surrounded by space police, and watching a cutscene of space police being attacked. The attitude is all wrong, and it gives you too much to connect to. Samus is supposed to be your one human anchor in the world, the only thing you can identify with; and by doing so you better inhabit her character - alone, The Hunter, contained in the suit (Prime's visor sells this idea sooo well!), and navigating a hostile world doing its best to snuff you out. The constant and bizarre flora and fauna of Prime helps to accomplish this so well, versus the weird static webbing and crystal structures of Echoes.
To me, if you're not telling a story, or better letting people play a story, about an isolated warrior in a completely alien world, then you're not telling a metroid story, and you should probably call it something else, regardless of whether or not it has morph ball puzzles (the highlight of Echoes, far and away).
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2007, 09:58:23 pm
I'm sure the game will not feel any less isolated, and will probably keep the Metroid feel regardless.
Post by: .TakaM on July 12, 2007, 10:08:41 pm
you see everyone around you die? can't get more alone than that.
Post by: Faceless on July 12, 2007, 10:11:29 pm
They die in the opening sequence, how can they possibly ruin the game?
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 13, 2007, 01:21:57 am
The classic metroid games hardly even acknowledge the existence of other humans...to me there is a big difference between live humans greeting you and giving you instructions, versus finding some dead scientists in a lab...
Post by: Helm on July 13, 2007, 01:25:42 am
Post by: robalan on July 13, 2007, 12:52:10 pm
Post by: huZba on July 13, 2007, 03:06:32 pm
I just checked out the developer walkthrough video on gametrailers.com, and it seems they've again found something quite interesting to present in the art department. The steampunk-ish cloudworld alone gave the familiar metroid feeling of unfamiliarity and interest in traversing a new world. Wii controls will surely work in favor of suiting you in the varia suit. Really looking forward to this game.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 13, 2007, 04:33:20 pm
I just don't have a lot of faith in their ability to capture that "metroid" atmosphere anymore, after Echoes. The human presence was part of a bunch of bad choices that made it hard to invest yourself in Samus's mission I think. Required item hunting, a more sterile, less biological world, the always-the-same-palette dark world, huge quantity of mechanical enemies, increasingly linear, shooter-oriented level design, the cut-and-dry weapons system, etc. On the micro level they got a lot of gameplay done very nicely, some of the enemy attack patterns and morph ball puzzles were pretty fantastic, and the level of detail was very impressive...but the macro picture didn't hold up. I always felt like I was just going down a checklist, rather than actually getting to explore. And I do think that the human-filled game introduction played a part in that; seeing similar choices being made for Prime 3 gives me some concern, that's all. I hope that blowin everybody up sells the idea of being isolated on this bizarre, hostile, life-filled planet...but the only areas they've yet shown are steampunky, or hightech in some other way. I guess I just have to wait and see...but Fusion, Zero Mission, and Echoes have all been a bit of a disappointment to me...I like Fusion in its own way, but Zero Mission and Echoes were too formulaic and checklisty to inspire the same feelings as the "classics".
But then, i mean game developers shouldn't be forced to remake the same game over and over, obviously...I just love that sensation of exploring this bizarre, very-much-alive world with just a layer of metal between you and whatever strange things you come across. And its not to be found in very many games...so when I buy something in the hopes that it might be there, and I find that it isn't, well then I go on internet rants about tiny pointless details in the hopes that somehow it will magically replace this missing ingredient in the next release.
Logical, right? :P
Post by: Faceless on July 13, 2007, 04:55:24 pm
Post by: .TakaM on July 13, 2007, 07:33:12 pm
one of the retro reps was talking about a lot of the "mistakes" they made with echoes, and that they've constantly been referring to a lot of fan feedback.
he even specifically mentioned the back tracking in echoes ended up making little sense and wasn't necessary. :P
Post by: mattness on July 13, 2007, 07:56:02 pm
Some nice videos of MP3 and SMG in action:
Metroid:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21690.html
Galaxy:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21649.html
Damn...
This is too much for the Old Game Boy generation... :ouch:
Post by: lollige on July 14, 2007, 12:54:33 pm
http://pixeljoint.com/2007/07/13/2253/New_DA_Pixel_art_gallery_director.htm
Post by: Jad on July 14, 2007, 03:17:51 pm
Whereas humans, standing next to you, talking to you, is something very familiar. The only thing is that they're so familiar, we notice the smallest details and because of that, creating a believable human character is incredibly hard. In super metroid, the notion of a human world was simply given; there were pictures of scientists and that was it. The rest of humanity, we had to imagine for ourselves, and probably, we imagined them as the humans we are surrounded with, we never had to see them represented in the media in a way so that we could judge them; Hence they were believable.
Thus we had a believable alien world (the world was simply very alien and carried a strong mood; it was also eeriely quiet and large, containing puzzles of a certain logic; as you conquered the puzzles, you 'learned the language' of the world and started feeling at home with it. When you started to break sequences and just play around in it, you suddenly had become immersed in it. Thus, it felt believable.) and believable humans (either they stood still and looked fairly realistic, not BEHAVING, or they were dead. Realistic. People on photos look like people, check. Dead people don't move a lot, check. Realistic! The rest of humanity were not shown on pictures, so there we had to imagine them for ourselves, and we imagined them as real people because that's our natural reference for people. Realistic.) and we had the isolation from these humans, and we were satisfied, and we dubbed the experience of expreriencing this world 'the metroid feeling'.
Whereas a polygon model of a human, making simulated motions, perhaps well animated (I can only hope), SPEAKING to samus in english, can, and can not concieve a realistic representation of a human.
There are a lot of problems that can come up.
The model may not be detailed enough, perhaps the human person looks unrealistic in some way, his speech and animation may not be well synced, and thus we will not believe that this is a human. Even worse, maybe the voice actor has one of these texas accents, that'd put me off TOTALLY. Texas accent and 'metroid feeling' do not go together. I know that that's fucking nitpicky, but that's the thing about trying to represent humans in videogames. We get totally nitpicky about them.
And then I heard that there was this 'ice-man'-style icicle-riding alien chap bounty-hunter who was gliding around killing space pirates and dropping witty comments. I mean, WHAT IS THAT? Not even STAR TREK would have such an unbelievable character :( Is he going to be in the game? I hope he's killable. Super-powers and witty comments, NOT IN MAH METROID.
Oh my god I'm a ranting fan :((
Anyway, AdamAtomic, marry me, your thoughts about metroid are perfect, now let's make a fan-game of it or something.
EDIT: Having seen the steampunk world, it does not remind me a lot of metroid (if I had made it, I'd try to stuff a lot of other different moods into the game), but of MYST and games like that. And I REALLY like the design, it's immersive and nice. I think I will enjoy it. :]
But since I am a damn FANBOI I'll still not think it feels like METROID boohoo boohoo :]
Post by: bengo on July 14, 2007, 04:45:56 pm
Anyway, playing Blue Dragon as we speak, I've found some readability issues but man, great music and it just looks fantastic, gameplay is your average RPG with a bit of a twist, you can charge your attacks and set your characters to different character classes aswell as change the formation so if you don't want your healer getting hurt as much he would. Last night I was a bit angered at it, it was hurting the hell out of my eyes, because honestly it can be pretty hard to read, it has a light gray bg with white text when something is highlighted. One little nifty thing I just found is you can change your party leader, which is pretty neat, this whole game seems like the characters are completely customizable, you don't have to have so and so as the white mage like he was originally, etc.
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 14, 2007, 05:16:09 pm
Post by: huZba on July 14, 2007, 06:11:04 pm
I figure this is why older people like having these things left for their imagination to figure out, since they've seen and experienced more things and have more pieces to complete a puzzle. Some things are hard to make better than what our brains can imagine for themselves. Like how a lot of times a monster you can't see is a lot scarier than something you know of.
Post by: Feron on July 14, 2007, 06:39:55 pm
DA has a new Pixel art gallery director! Yay! ;D 8)
http://pixeljoint.com/2007/07/13/2253/New_DA_Pixel_art_gallery_director.htm
deviantart and pixel-art are like fire and jam. They dont mix, and when they do its just a fugly mess.
Post by: Rox on July 15, 2007, 01:42:40 am
You'd like it there. Some of us there think so highly of Echoze we spell it like that for reasons I'm unaware of. And some even refuse to acknowledge the existance of Metroid Fusion. Complete denial.
I have to say, I don't like where Corruption is going. Looks good, yes. Probably really fun. But every Metroid fan is striving for an atmosphere that no recent game has been able to deliver.
Post by: lollige on July 15, 2007, 09:06:08 am
DA has a new Pixel art gallery director! Yay! ;D 8)
http://pixeljoint.com/2007/07/13/2253/New_DA_Pixel_art_gallery_director.htm
deviantart and pixel-art are like fire and jam. They dont mix, and when they do its just a fugly mess.
Maybe you are right.. But every category contains lots of sh*t, commenters without respect and knowledge, people who do not know what they are talking about, and people who work 1 second on things and say its finished.. But also every category has alot of great pieces.. and those are the ones that make other people start making things as well... No1 will ever find pixelation or pixeljoint if they do not know what pixel art is.. even if they have alot of talent.. but deviant art, is just as for all forms of art, a great advertisement way.. A way alot new pixel artists get known with pixel art, and if they continue with it im shure they can find pixeljoint and pixelation etc.. as well..
I think deviantArt is a great way to advertise, and not much more.. for every form of art there are better communitys to find.. but on DA also non-artists join, maybe to just look at art, and maybe to become an artist :)
Post by: philipptr on July 15, 2007, 10:26:45 am
I agree with lollige that deviantart is an advertisement platfrom for artists. It doesn't help you in any way to get better.
Post by: lollige on July 15, 2007, 03:28:00 pm
No offense against the creator of this piece, but in my opinion the fact that http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58578233/ (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58578233/) was featured shows that nothing will change at deviantart (Especially if you look at the comments).Thats the only one who didnt deserve it in my opinion.. It seems to be hard to find nice pixels. but if you guys join it will be alot easyer to select better DD's.
I agree with lollige that deviantart is an advertisement platfrom for artists. It doesn't help you in any way to get better.
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 15, 2007, 03:34:15 pm
Post by: bengo on July 15, 2007, 03:57:21 pm
Post by: lollige on July 15, 2007, 04:20:17 pm
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/59792670/ I was looking around and found alot of similar crap like this, how is this iso-metric pixel art? How is this even pixel art? Deviantart fails again.....
Did you know, that everyday alot of NPA is submitted on PJ too? and that there is also alot of stuff under Isometric, whats not iso?
And the npa cant be found that easy cos your pixel art is watched by alot of moderators, who reject everything thats not NPA..
on DA you can submit what you want, and it has to be removed afterwards.. but I can make shure this piece is not in pixel art any more in 1 or 2 days.. cos I have reported shone its a miscat, and she removes alot of it every day... But she is sort of the only moderator there..
With your help, she can do it alot faster, and you are like a second moderator.. that way NPA can be removed way faster.. its not DA's fault that people submit NPA.. and those noobs just dont know better, and we should teach them its no pixel art..
So please help her removing thinks like that, join DA, click report policiy violation and select miscategory, and she will remove it...
Im doing this now for 2 days long,and its hard work but allmost all the submissions of those 2 days are allmost clean.. and if every1 would do this, every day can be clean.. :)
Post by: Dusty on July 15, 2007, 04:47:32 pm
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Well, I really don't care if the humans feel realistic to me or not, the real question is: Is it fun to play? For the recent 3D Metroid's, I gotta say it's mediocre(Just like Halo, srsly guys, it's nothing special), then again I mean everyone feels the need to go 3D since that is the big thing right now but just because it's 3D doesn't mean it's better, ya know? Hopefully someday 2D might come back into the scene(already has in a way, note Xbox Live Arcade and with Nintendo's Wii and you being able to buy old retro games).Still well alive on the handhelds.
Post by: Froli on July 15, 2007, 09:38:06 pm
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171421
Post by: .TakaM on July 16, 2007, 11:19:45 am
I'll just copy over part of my blog entry:
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Cocopuffs and I had a pretty long debate over the health in Twinsen just now, I'll try to sum it up:
Currently, bushes drop clovers of health about 10% of the time, whether you need it or not.
What I'd prefer is that the bushes always drop health if you have been hurt.
Cocopuffs would prefer having set bushes that leave a clover once, whether you need it or not.
The idea behind my solution, is that it allows different styles of play, simply- stock up on health, or don't.
This would be good for bosses, have one bush in the room that you can always rely on, you just have to wait for it to grow back.
Say you're versing the boss, and he's kicking your ass. You just figured out how to beat him, but you're too low on health to risk attacking him. So you can focus on avoiding his attacks, collect some health and then fight back.
Cocopuffs doesn't like this because he feels it makes the game too easy overall, and removes a lot of the challenge for those who aren't worried about every enemy, and don't feel they need to stock up on health.
I can see where he's coming from, that the skilled players will be rather annoyed that some noob has managed to finish the same game as them.
He believes those players will feel less rewarded, or perhaps cheated that their efforts went by unappreciated.
I really don't think that's the issue.. As much as I want the game to be challenging, I want it to be accessible more.
I want to leave the challenge up to the player, there are already several options presented to you in the game, you don't have to run, you don't have to string together combos, you don't even have to kill enemies... This is just one more option.
I think decisions like this should be left up to the player.
Even if they may not be as good as some others, but they want to kill everything, to try and string together some combos - they can, and they can feel safe in knowing the health is always there for them.
And on the other hand, if you really want to challenge yourself, just don't stop and chop down bushes if you're low on health, unless of course you think you need it.
so please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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cocopuffs solution:
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Figure, I might as well post my side of my side, instead of you hearing my side from Taka, even though he did a decent job explaining it.
I say if you play it safe, kill enemies from a distance, let them come to you, you won't be hurt often at all. There will be (should be) enough health scattered around the level to make it so if you're playing safe health is not an issue.
But as a downside to playing like this, you won't get points from trying to link together combos, and will end up with a lower score. But you can still beat the main game.
On the other hand, if you're after a higher score, you can play the game dangerously by trying to like combos together. In which case you will get hurt more often, and will probably die more often. If you find this is too hard, you can always play it safe any time, it's not like there's too paths set in stone.
Of course, the pro to playing dangerously is that you get a higher score, and with that some extras here and there.
Post by: shonegold on July 16, 2007, 01:50:58 pm
Nice to see a discussion about dA and Pixel Art here. I am now the new Gallery Director for Pixel Art at deviantArt. It has been incredibly neglected for a very long time. I don't go there as an expert, I go there with a passion for Pixel Art.
At any time of the night or day if you go to dA you are always likely to find miscats in the galleries as the various servers upgrade the site and drop in new work into the system.
It is receiving submissions 24 hours a day. I am spending around 4 -5 hours a day moving miscats from the galleries and responding to people as to why their work was moved because after all, they made it in paint with pixels so therefore it must be Pixel Art!! Then I do another 5-6 hours on other dA related stuff, like choosing a Pixel Art DD award everyday not just once in a while, reading everyones' new Journals, looking through the new works, answering PMs, attending online meetings with staff, liasing with other pixel artists and so on. This I do seven days a week. Oh I should add, I am doing it for the love of Pixel Art, I am a volunteer and don't receive any financial reward for my work.
dA have thousands of people looking at the Daily Deviations everyday and with persistence and dedication Pixel Art will find its place in the artistic spotlight and become a well represented and respected art form. As this happens so to will the reduction of miscats in the Galleries as people become more familiar with it.
It can be done, it will be done and if you think your work can stand up to the scrutiny of thousands, join us and strut your stuff at dA.
If you are already there and I am not watching you, please note me and I will start to watch you in anticipation of a potential DD.
Here is the link to my page....ShoneGold (http://shonegold.deviantart.com/)
Post by: Helm on July 16, 2007, 05:37:13 pm
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4 -5 hours a day moving miscats [...] Then I do another 5-6 hours on other dA related stuff
You spend 10 hours a day on average on deviantArt upkeep and you're not getting paid for this?
edit: and sorry, here's my point of view:
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dA have thousands of people looking at the Daily Deviations everyday and with persistence and dedication Pixel Art will find its place in the artistic spotlight and become a well represented and respected art form. As this happens so to will the reduction of miscats in the Galleries as people become more familiar with it.
Pixel art doesn't need to be visible in DA to be a respected art form. It wouldn't even help. Critical acclaim and art community respect is a nebulous thing, with even more nebulous benefits, and it certainly is not to be persued in a meatshop like DA. Good luck on your job.
Post by: Xion on July 16, 2007, 08:19:15 pm
I would really appreciate some feedback on an issue that has recently surfaced in my game; Twinsen.Like Cocopuff's solution. I believe Zelda does this, having pots and bushes around the outskirts of a boss-room that always drop health, but once you run out of bushes, :blind:.
I'll just copy over part of my blog entry:QuoteCocopuffs and I had a pretty long debate over the health in Twinsen just now, I'll try to sum it up:
Currently, bushes drop clovers of health about 10% of the time, whether you need it or not.
What I'd prefer is that the bushes always drop health if you have been hurt.
Cocopuffs would prefer having set bushes that leave a clover once, whether you need it or not.
The idea behind my solution, is that it allows different styles of play, simply- stock up on health, or don't.
This would be good for bosses, have one bush in the room that you can always rely on, you just have to wait for it to grow back.
Say you're versing the boss, and he's kicking your ass. You just figured out how to beat him, but you're too low on health to risk attacking him. So you can focus on avoiding his attacks, collect some health and then fight back.
Cocopuffs doesn't like this because he feels it makes the game too easy overall, and removes a lot of the challenge for those who aren't worried about every enemy, and don't feel they need to stock up on health.
I can see where he's coming from, that the skilled players will be rather annoyed that some noob has managed to finish the same game as them.
He believes those players will feel less rewarded, or perhaps cheated that their efforts went by unappreciated.
I really don't think that's the issue.. As much as I want the game to be challenging, I want it to be accessible more.
I want to leave the challenge up to the player, there are already several options presented to you in the game, you don't have to run, you don't have to string together combos, you don't even have to kill enemies... This is just one more option.
I think decisions like this should be left up to the player.
Even if they may not be as good as some others, but they want to kill everything, to try and string together some combos - they can, and they can feel safe in knowing the health is always there for them.
And on the other hand, if you really want to challenge yourself, just don't stop and chop down bushes if you're low on health, unless of course you think you need it.
so please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
edit-
cocopuffs solution:QuoteFigure, I might as well post my side of my side, instead of you hearing my side from Taka, even though he did a decent job explaining it.
I say if you play it safe, kill enemies from a distance, let them come to you, you won't be hurt often at all. There will be (should be) enough health scattered around the level to make it so if you're playing safe health is not an issue.
But as a downside to playing like this, you won't get points from trying to link together combos, and will end up with a lower score. But you can still beat the main game.
On the other hand, if you're after a higher score, you can play the game dangerously by trying to like combos together. In which case you will get hurt more often, and will probably die more often. If you find this is too hard, you can always play it safe any time, it's not like there's too paths set in stone.
Of course, the pro to playing dangerously is that you get a higher score, and with that some extras here and there.
It doesn't make it too hard, as long as you've got five or so health-bushes just chillin' around, but it still keeps that risk. I mean, what, where's the fun in beating a boss that should've been hard when you know you can't die, pretty much, or get through an area that should be hard and intimidating but isn't because alls ya gotta do is find some bushes and chop-chop-chop, full health! You don't want people to just blaze through the game without a thought or a memory of certain areas, do you?
Or!
I say that, if you do go your way with the bushes that always drop health, spread them out in patches, having hazardous stretches with little health between each "safe-zone-type-checkpoint" place.
Well, that's just my opinion, anyway.
Post by: .TakaM on July 17, 2007, 03:01:06 am
Thinking back to super metroid, the game was 100% open to different styles of play, skip the varia suit, but there is still enough health from enemies in Norfair to sustain you, same if you want to play through without collecting energy tanks.
Bosses also almost always had a way to get health out of them, shoot their projectiles etc, they were just a bit risky to collect.
and like yoshi's island, I think all the bosses had an eggplant somewhere that were hard to collect eggs from, you'd usually be in the bosses attack range, but you had to be there to collect enough eggs and defeat them.
I'm thinking if you try to play through Twinsen with only 3 life bars, it's gonna get ridiculously hard, too little room for error and we will have to keep players like that in mind if we decide to have full control over how much health they can replenish in each level...
Post by: Doppleganger on July 17, 2007, 04:35:43 am
Post by: Dusty on July 17, 2007, 04:46:47 am
Post by: .TakaM on July 18, 2007, 07:30:25 am
Why not have all the bushes drop clovers at a particular rate. So instead of one out of ten bushes you pass containing a clover, you have a 1:10 chance of getting a clover from any bush you pass. You could even go so far as designing some bushes to drop clovers at a higher rate. 1:4 maybe. A slightly different look might be the discerning factor between the bushes.hmmm.. I rather like your chances getting better as your health gets worse... that's a pretty good balance.
:y:?
Post by: ptoing on July 18, 2007, 08:06:09 am
I dunno, I am not a fan of adaptive difficulty. If the player is cack he is cack and needs to improve. I see no need for games to have stuff that makes it easier or harder on the player depending on how good/bad he plays. Best is to make a well balanced game with a good difficulty curve imo.
Post by: bengo on July 18, 2007, 08:10:14 am
It's understandable why Nintendo makes their games like that though, because then it's not too difficult for your average game but not too easy for your game addict. To me though, it's all about the challenge, all about how many shots you can dodge until you finally get hit, all about if you're able to execute that combo correctly, all about if you can take out that tank before it destroys your base.
So my question is, while classics like Metroid and The Legend of Zelda are fun, do you think they'd be funner if they actually presented some challenge(While there is some challenge in them, it's usually not challenging enough where the average gamer would tend to die alot, or even once, perhaps)?
Post by: ptoing on July 18, 2007, 08:26:47 am
Money making facility. I think I only died like 2 times because I was being stupid in Windwaker and I still had MASSIVE amounts of fun with that game. Just exploring the world and stuff like that was awesome enough for me and the fights, esp the bosses are really good fun. There is more than just challenge that is important to a good game.
Post by: .TakaM on July 18, 2007, 09:37:14 am
like super mario 64, I hardly ever die in it, infact the first time I saw the gameover screen on DS I was surprised and realized I hadn't seen it before.
mainly because I'll be constantly diving and sweep kicking, sorta like reading the track ahead of you in a rally game, long jumping onto enemies, trying to bounce from one to the other, never changing the camera angle etc, and in windwaker I actually try to always only use the spin slash, as in doing a full circle with the joystick, then pressing B, it kinda breaks the parry opportunity down into three parts, you can hit them twice then jump back. more fun than playing normally :P
I dunno, maybe I am weird but you can always make the conscious decision to make any game hard, and thats where I have the most fun
Post by: Zero on July 18, 2007, 12:59:54 pm
Post by: Dusty on July 18, 2007, 05:58:12 pm
Either way, I agree with the people who say don't try to make the difficulty change for the player. Keep it at one thing, and if it's too hard(as long as it's not discouragingly hard), they'll keep trying until they beat it. Just don't piss them off.
Post by: Darien on July 18, 2007, 06:18:05 pm
Post by: AdamAtomic on July 18, 2007, 08:16:23 pm
Sounds like a cop out to me, Taka. Make your own game fun, don't expect the player to make the game fun for you.
Hear hear! Also, amen and other such agreements.
Post by: .TakaM on July 19, 2007, 02:28:25 am
I don't want the players to make the game fun for me, I want to both make the game fun for the players and have the players make the game fun for themselves.
regardless, I think we've got the fun part down, just recorded a tough combo in level 5:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/TakaM/Twinsen/level5combo.gif) (click to view full screen - 4MB)it was fun and difficult :B
Post by: bengo on July 19, 2007, 02:42:03 am
Post by: Zero on July 19, 2007, 02:46:15 am
Gah! That games looks so fun, whens the next demo?!
My thoughts exactly. I wanna play this! :crazy:
Post by: Darien on July 19, 2007, 04:45:24 am
I don't want the players to make the game fun for me, I want to both make the game fun for the players and have the players make the game fun for themselves.
I realize that, and that's what I was talking about. I don't think it's possible to have one game be 100% one way or the other. But I think you as a designer should make the game as inherently fun as possible. By acknowledging that a player is going to have to put some effort into making the game funner, that's acknowledging that the core of the game isn't as fun as possible. If there was a way to make it funner it should have been made that way and not have the player have to artificially make it that way.
That aside, your game looks like it's coming along nicely.
Post by: Dusty on July 19, 2007, 06:59:20 am
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/file/197771/3488
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/file/197771/3501
I've made a couple of maps(actually put effort into the graphics for them), and they were rejected because they were 'duplicates' of current maps that are already uploaded above(I actually did a Hyrule map, with more information than the one above)... I can't believe once someone slaps up a half-assed map in MSPaint they hold the title for the map forever. And I post about it in the Gamefaq's forums, and just get a bunch of replies that it's about the information, not the quality. Which is true, if there is no alternative. Sometimes I'd like to see a better looking map on the site instead of looking at those scribbles. I don't see why a better image can't be accepted, even if it is just because it's only more visually appealing.
Post by: .TakaM on July 19, 2007, 07:41:55 am
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2007, 10:46:28 am
I can barely recall the game looking at those! :o
Post by: Zolthorg on July 19, 2007, 03:05:31 pm
gamefaqs.com
lol gamespotfaqs.
they threw quality out the window a loooooooooong time ago
:)
Post by: Dusty on July 19, 2007, 06:44:40 pm
Nope, couldn't find it, if I do though I'll post it.
EDIT: Here's the Windwaker one. Ya I threw in photoshop filters, but I did spend a lot of time doing what I did. I had to find all those damn fishes to get a map of the island, then I tried my best to make it in proportion and in the right area on the map. I could probably remove the filter and still have it hold its value.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5171/windwakermapeh3.gif
Oh, and my Lost Woods map for OoT.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8669/zelda64lostwoods1bm2.gif
Was rejected because this was already up:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/file/197771/3497
Post by: ptoing on July 19, 2007, 07:55:47 pm
Post by: .TakaM on July 20, 2007, 01:42:28 am
And the keys are customizable, which was really the last hurdle remaining.
looking back at the first demo, it's awful.
Since then the first level has gotten significantly easier, both in the tiles, and the enemies.
But the main thing that helps is that you feel so much more in control over Twinsen.
I have had a couple of my friends play the current build from start to finish, just to see how they handle it, it took them all about 20 mins, longer if you want to find all the secrets and perform impressive combos, point is, while I only had one friend play our first demo, it took him 30 mins I think it was, just to get to the end of the level, he didn't even want to try killing them in reverse order :P
Post by: Malor on July 20, 2007, 03:38:42 pm
Post by: Evil-Ville on July 20, 2007, 03:57:52 pm
Post by: Malor on July 20, 2007, 04:20:34 pm
Current build means what is done so far. Trying to predict how long the finished game takes to play through would be kind of stupid wouldn't it?
Ah.. I missed current build.. :-[
Post by: Faceless on July 21, 2007, 02:22:18 am
If the controls on Twinsen have not changed since the last demo, as in how the feel and such, then it's still poo in my opinion.
If you disliked the controls for the same reasons that I don't then you still won't enjoy them.
I haven't noticed much difference at all in the controls since the very first version I played.
Post by: ptoing on July 23, 2007, 09:10:13 am
Post by: Froli on July 25, 2007, 04:08:19 am
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54082646/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54081848/?qo=3&q=by%3Adoubleln2+in%3Ascraps&qh=sort%3Atime
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54081982/?qo=2&q=by%3Adoubleln2+in%3Ascraps&qh=sort%3Atime
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54082090/?qo=1&q=by%3Adoubleln2+in%3Ascraps&qh=sort%3Atime
which is very inconsistent compared to his current one
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58181285/
<has own reasons why I'm caring enough for this trouble> :p
Post by: SovanJedi on July 25, 2007, 09:17:14 am
I should post more often! Or find time to pixel...
Post by: Helm on July 25, 2007, 01:04:31 pm
Post by: ndchristie on July 25, 2007, 02:00:39 pm
Post by: Zolthorg on July 27, 2007, 03:25:28 pm
Quote from: Maxim2735
Rate these paintings my 12 year old sister did
She's 13 now, but 12 when she did them.
http://a954.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_0d24ad028fe49c929b4b070c51031fc1.jpg
http://a966.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/114/l_2572975f70d752cdfe61c34e5d40ca8d.jpg
http://a538.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01483/73/51/1483291537_l.jpg
rofl anime
http://a86.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_b7e956963f3ea530233d9aee98419675.jpg
http://a224.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01091/32/27/1091927223_l.jpg
does anyone recognize any of the first 3?
if this girl is really painting like that, and then drawing things like the second two, someone really needs to stop her before she ruins her talent.
Post by: ptoing on July 27, 2007, 04:59:46 pm
Post by: ndchristie on July 27, 2007, 05:17:07 pm
first'n definitely smacks of the ross-man, but i'd believe them all as the work of a talented freshman girl.
Post by: crab2selout.png on July 28, 2007, 09:00:46 pm
Hello everyone old and new! Wow, has this little community I've known and loved grown. :)Hey there, SovanJedi! I remember you! You killed in those Animation Challenges Adam Tierney set up on the old Pixelation.
I should post more often! Or find time to pixel...
Welcome back.
I still have your disgusting, Final fantasy-esque monster you made. I see you have it on your website, too
http://www.jontendo.co.uk/portfolio/scra/scrap04.png
Do find some time to pixel. I remember you had a lot of great animating tips.
Post by: Rydin on July 29, 2007, 05:24:31 pm
Post by: Rox on July 29, 2007, 09:13:54 pm
It's called the Glagolitic alphabet.
It's the oldest known Slavic alphabet.
It has the letter Yus in it.
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4449/yusjr4.gif)
Post by: Xion on July 29, 2007, 09:15:45 pm
Post by: skw on July 30, 2007, 01:25:53 am
Post by: Rydin on July 30, 2007, 04:07:02 am
I mean, I'm sure its a just a forum glitch, and it's probably been brought up before--hell, I might even just be turning manic, but regardless, I'd like some answers :'(.
Post by: bengo on July 30, 2007, 04:26:37 am
Post by: EyeCraft on July 30, 2007, 04:45:51 am
Post by: alkaline on July 30, 2007, 05:11:01 am
they'll pay for this negligence. >:D
Post by: bengo on July 30, 2007, 05:13:59 am
Post by: crab2selout.png on July 30, 2007, 06:04:56 am
Maybe someone should kidnap/birdnap the Yus bird??
Post by: Xion on July 30, 2007, 07:25:29 am
Post by: bengo on July 30, 2007, 08:00:24 pm
Post by: Feron on July 30, 2007, 10:27:45 pm
Post by: bengo on July 30, 2007, 10:50:46 pm
Post by: Faceless on July 31, 2007, 02:52:15 am
I couldn't give a crap about the avatar thing; I update mine so infrequently it makes no difference.
I won't be ready for a new avatar for at least a year.
Post by: bengo on July 31, 2007, 03:29:40 am
Post by: Rydin on July 31, 2007, 04:33:24 am
Post by: Xion on July 31, 2007, 04:45:13 am
Naw, it just don't work.
Post by: crab2selout.png on July 31, 2007, 05:10:36 am
Wait, I have an idea! We use the n00bs as a distraction :D, meanwhile, Xion and Rydin will sneak in the back and take on Helm, an epic battle will take place, Bruce Lee only comes back from the grave when the Konami code is used, so aslong as Ptoing doesn't find the NES controller and use it, we should be fine. Once Helm is defeated(We can assume Xion and Rydin will have died from blood loss), Crab and I will go attack Ptoing, only to be ambushed by Takam and Adarias, Crab being the loyal man he is, will sacrifice himself as I go into Ptoing's maze of doom. Faceless is working for us, thankfully and he poisoned Ptoing's drink so he would be weak enough for us two to defeat, as I get through the maze and finally to Ptoing's lair, OSHI- not good, he has the NES controller, thankfully Faceless takes it and uses the konami code for us to use Bruce Lee and then Bruce Lee is hungry so he eats Ptoing and Faceless on accident and then him and I go to my house and play Gears of War, the end. Oh and Lotekk slept in so he never got to see me be awesome.
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
Switching to lurk mode ... now.
Post by: bengo on July 31, 2007, 05:22:32 am
Post by: Xion on July 31, 2007, 06:37:58 am
Post by: bengo on July 31, 2007, 06:41:31 am
Post by: Rydin on July 31, 2007, 09:34:02 am
I don't think the blood loss will be from any physical wound by the way; I think it'd be due to severe internal hemorrhaging caused by the brain trying to cope with the sheer righteousness of Helm simultaneously pixelling and doing a goat missionary. Pixelling with ease I might add. And with all the added stress of an audience. Man, I think my nose is already bleeding... :blind:
However, I'll have you know; I'd take one for the team if it'd mean we could change our avatars again. :ouch:
Post by: Conzeit on July 31, 2007, 04:10:10 pm
However, I'll have you know; I'd take one for the team if it'd mean we could change our avatars again. :ouch:
What's the big deal anyway? cant you just go to your host and replace this image with the one you want to use, while keeping the same filename? I dont even have THAT option C_C
Post by: ptoing on July 31, 2007, 05:22:43 pm
Post by: Rox on July 31, 2007, 05:29:29 pm
Or do you really mean to say it's... in the process of being fixed? Well, you are, because if you had to work on the fixing of it, the fixing would still be in progress if the fixing is being worked on. So you could just say the forum's being worked on. Because that's what it means.
Gears < Halo
Post by: ptoing on July 31, 2007, 06:33:41 pm
We have everything under control. There is nothing to see here, move on.
Post by: Dusty on July 31, 2007, 10:03:53 pm
Post by: Rydin on August 01, 2007, 03:07:09 am
The funny thing is, is that I don't even want to change my avatar...and I don't plan on changing it any time soon. :P
Post by: Dusty on August 01, 2007, 03:59:18 am
Post by: Blick on August 01, 2007, 04:26:57 am
So you're either fascist or half a communist.
Post by: Doppleganger on August 01, 2007, 04:32:27 am
(insert self depreciating funny comment here)
Post by: crab2selout.png on August 01, 2007, 04:40:51 am
Post by: Blick on August 01, 2007, 05:37:03 am
Post by: Ragnarok on August 01, 2007, 01:06:27 pm
Post by: Rox on August 01, 2007, 07:14:43 pm
Marathon: Durandal on XBL Arcade also rules. I'll be buying it whenever I can bother aquiring some points to buy it with. New online support, polished graphics and better controls make it worth the money even though the original is available for free.
I will have NO money by the end of the year...
Post by: SplatPixel on August 02, 2007, 12:13:10 am
Post by: SplatPixel on August 02, 2007, 09:35:17 am
http://scrotumnose.deviantart.com/journal/13854493/
i hope theres a new King of Spriters soon... heh
Post by: bengo on August 02, 2007, 06:46:17 pm
Guys, he'd be difficult to see in an actual game, all those blasts flying around, added, the smaller he is the easier the game is, which is what people don't want right? I only meant a bit bigger, okay? I didn't mean up him to giant size, because thats not exactly what you want with the player's ship either, I mean, there's not room for ANYTHING, under some resolution's he's just difficult to see, all we can really clarify at that size is that it's a ship, nothing more. I'm not saying I have some hate agenda against small sprites, it's just, yes, in other topics I have said people should make this or that bigger, but what the hell? Don't freak out just because I suggest making something bigger.
Post by: Ryan Cordel on August 02, 2007, 07:08:37 pm
Post by: bengo on August 02, 2007, 07:12:35 pm
Post by: dragonrc on August 02, 2007, 07:54:01 pm
Your first post in this topic is a good example:
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=4616.msg57161#msg57161
Compare your crocodile to his, it's completely new. He wants to improve his cute cartoonish character, he doesn't want to make it into a big tough crocodile.
Help people to improve their work. Don't tell them how you think it should have looked.
Post by: bengo on August 02, 2007, 07:56:36 pm
Right, so I got my mic, whose up for Gears?
Post by: .TakaM on August 03, 2007, 03:41:32 pm
Basically, can anyone recommend a good program to record the video and sound from my screen?
I plan on making a trailer for twinsen soon, and i have yet to find a program that can record both audio and video, while not slowing down the game to an almost unplayable degree.
Any suggestions would be very very appreciated
if worst comes to worst, I can always record a several thousand frame gif, convert to a movie file, then manually add in the music and sound effects :crazy:
Post by: Evil-Ville on August 03, 2007, 05:04:40 pm
Post by: .TakaM on August 04, 2007, 09:54:38 am
still, thanks anyway :)
edit-
Today, I finished Super Metroid Redesign (http://drewseph.zophar.net/index.html), a rom hack made specifically for the Metroid elite.
what a game, the first couple hours are so brutal, but once you clear hells run (almost 0 chance for error) is where the game gets a bit easier.
I finished with 88.5% items and 19 hours play time, it really is a massive game, so if you want to see if you're good enough, prepare to be a bit overwhelmed by the massive map.
I also want to acknowledge how impressive a romhack this is, several parts of the game were completely new and had to be hard-coded, you've got the 3 bomb limit ala Prime, Shine sparking ala Fusion/Zero Mission, wall jump boots are needed, you can activate both space jump and screwattack individually on the same jump, I could go on.
It's almost an entirely new game, one I picked up to cope with the wait for Prime 3.
In other Metroid news, Gametrailers has been doing a Metroid Retrospective (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5261.html), they've only done 2/5 parts, but they're doing a really good job, watch it.
Post by: Feron on August 05, 2007, 09:55:05 am
Post by: RhysD on August 08, 2007, 05:37:06 am
was looking at a Wacom CTE-640/SO-C (6" X 8" - A5 size)
anyone have one of these? if so, how is it?
Post by: bengo on August 08, 2007, 06:15:24 am
Post by: Sherman Gill on August 08, 2007, 06:58:35 am
I have a hanvon tablet. Kinda crap, all its really got is pressure sensitivity. I'd recommend getting something worth more, ala a Wacom, but if you wanna save a few bucks, then the cheap alternatives aren't *bad*.
Post by: Feron on August 08, 2007, 12:26:06 pm
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3226.0
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=44.0
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=2819.0
Post by: 9_6 on August 08, 2007, 12:33:13 pm
Each time I visit http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/ I am not logged in although I did log in during previous forum visits.
Yes I selected to stay logged in 'forever'.
Any explantation for that behaviour?
Post by: Helm on August 08, 2007, 01:46:54 pm
Post by: Evil-Ville on August 08, 2007, 02:01:42 pm
Post by: Rox on August 08, 2007, 02:56:07 pm
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2007, 03:40:14 pm
That used to annoy me, too. Until I noticed, when you click on anything, you're suddenly logged in again. So I just middle-click the sections I want to open them in tabs, and suddenly I'm logged in and can see which threads have new replies!
Same. I'm logged out when I open the first page, but by clicking on a topic or section, I'm logged in!
Post by: AdamAtomic on August 08, 2007, 04:02:02 pm
Use http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php instead. It fixed it for me.
this is what i've been doing for the last few months as well, works great
Post by: 9_6 on August 08, 2007, 04:05:05 pm
Also if I log in (I delete my cookies weekly) and then immediately view the newly posted topics, nothing shows up.
Is this a known error too?
(I don't really believe that noone posts for a whole week in this rather active forum so I believe it has to be an error.)
Post by: Sherman Gill on August 08, 2007, 07:17:01 pm
Post by: Dusty on August 08, 2007, 07:32:01 pm
Post by: 9_6 on August 08, 2007, 07:43:33 pm
If you're too lazy to bookmark the working link, then I don't think you have the right to complain about it. :-\I was actually only checking if that kind of thing happens to more people than just me, not really that much of complaining more like pointing out a problem.
Since I am now aware that this is a known problem that is being worked on fixing I no longer have the intentions to 'complain' since I actually can live with that kind of thing because I keep the pixelation tab opened in opera -once I logged in.
Post by: AdamAtomic on August 08, 2007, 07:49:24 pm
Post by: Helm on August 08, 2007, 08:22:53 pm
Post by: Zero on August 08, 2007, 10:36:11 pm
But this problem's not nearly as annoying as the no avatar nonsense. :(
Post by: RhysD on August 09, 2007, 06:46:31 am
You gonna use it for pixel art only or no? No point in getting a pressure sensitive tablet if it'll only be used for pixel art.
no, I want to start doing some digital paintings. I also do a lot of photo editing and getting precision is hard with a mouse :(
anyone know the major difference between the graphire and intous, and if one is better than the other for painting? the only thing I read is that the intous has more pressure point settings or something :S
Post by: .TakaM on August 09, 2007, 09:35:48 am
Taka, just record it using camtasia and then use a different audio software to record yourself, and put it as a soundtrack to the movie.that was the plan, I've decided now that I'll use the built in recording function to get a screenshot of each frame, that way even if I do experience some slow down, there is none recorded, and I have full control over every pixel of every frame.
Originally I thought I would have to export all those frames as a giant gif, lose a bit of colour detail, then convert to a movie file, but I've discovered I can import the frames in windows movie maker, and save it as a movie file - Cutting out the middle man :)
The only annoying thing is the quickest speed it allows for each frame is 0.1 seconds, but once I convert it to a movie I can easily speed it up :)
Post by: Rydin on August 12, 2007, 12:47:21 pm
Post by: Zolthorg on August 13, 2007, 07:26:44 am
'poemon trainter'!!
think we'll see 'ridlet' xion?
Post by: Xion on August 13, 2007, 07:47:14 am
And it's weird, because a Pokèmon Trainer is another character I'd been hoping they'd add. I never thought they would though...much less like this. I have the feeling I'll suck as him. Suck terribly. Still, the option is always nice.
Rydin: well I could've told you that. ::)
Post by: AdamAtomic on August 13, 2007, 05:18:22 pm
Post by: Conzeit on August 13, 2007, 07:15:09 pm
When they added snake I was a little upset because I thought something as drastic as what they did with Pokemon Trainer would be the only way for him to really feel like himself. Here's hoping they put that kinda effort on Snake, that's who I really care about :crazy:
Post by: ptoing on August 14, 2007, 10:44:58 am
Post by: Arachne on August 14, 2007, 07:31:04 pm
Code: [Select]
1 98739 92,62% Windows
89617 84,06% Windows XP
5478 5,14% Unknown Windows
2112 1,98% Windows 2000
880 0,83% Windows 98
605 0,57% Windows Server 2003
31 0,03% Windows NT
14 0,01% Windows 95
2 4229 3,97% Macintosh
3 2639 2,48% Unix
2626 2,46% Linux
13 0,01% BSD
4 985 0,92% Unknown OS
5 18 0,02% Amiga
:lol:
Post by: Zero on August 14, 2007, 08:26:06 pm
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If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.Not too pysched about this character, but at least they finally started announcing new characters again. Ike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/ike.html) was quite a pleasant surprise.
Post by: RhysD on August 15, 2007, 03:46:42 am
Post by: Helm on August 15, 2007, 03:59:25 am
About her ripping you off, it's a bit difficult a situation to resolve. Ripping is easy to deal with when you 'control the environment'. Like here in Pixelation, you just talk to a mod and it's taken care off very quickly. When the environment is the internet by-and-large, it's not that easy. If push comes to shove you could contact that person's ISP and explain the situation and ask her website to be taken down or whatnot, but there's no telling if they'll agree with you or their paying customer as the legality of this whole thing is up to anyone's judgement. It might seem clear-cut to you but it's not, really.
Post by: RhysD on August 15, 2007, 04:26:22 am
Post by: Helm on August 15, 2007, 04:40:16 am
Post by: RhysD on August 15, 2007, 05:49:24 am
Post by: bengo on August 15, 2007, 06:21:01 am
Post by: alkaline on August 15, 2007, 06:37:27 am
Post by: RhysD on August 15, 2007, 07:21:29 am
Dude, it's not a big deal, the point of your website is to help people, their sites are doing the same, the only thing I see wrong is no credit taking place, even with that you're taking it too far.
They are CHARING people $25 for the 6 week pixel course which is basically just my free tutorial. There's something wrong right there. They might be helping people by showing them the tutorial and that's fine, as long as I'm receiving credit where due. But they aren't, they making a profit from it, which is what shits me.
Post by: sharprm on August 15, 2007, 08:47:46 am
Are you able to make a website that would turn up on google whenever people did a search for the site that is charging 25$? Somehow use certain keywords to try to redirect them to your free tutorial? Or maybe put your tutorial on Wikipedia.
Have you informed the owners of that website? Perhaps there are a number of courses run by different people. They might remove that course to protect their company's reputation.
Post by: RhysD on August 15, 2007, 08:52:28 am
Post by: bengo on August 15, 2007, 05:49:16 pm
They are CHARING people $25 for the 6 week pixel course which is basically just my free tutorial. There's something wrong right there. They might be helping people by showing them the tutorial and that's fine, as long as I'm receiving credit where due. But they aren't, they making a profit from it, which is what shits me.Oh, well raise hell then, their courses are full of blow anyway, the artwork preview shit are just pictures tooken from Andrew Loomis books.
Post by: big brother on August 15, 2007, 07:10:01 pm
Post by: Rydin on August 16, 2007, 08:30:30 am
That sucks that you're getting stolen from. You've tried threatening emails, right?
Post by: Dusty on August 16, 2007, 04:40:45 pm
Post by: ndchristie on August 16, 2007, 07:52:01 pm
In addition, all they need to do is deviate from your tutorial by a single word and suddenly the $25 is for the instruction and the tutorial is a supplement not included in the cost. If I were teaching a class and told a student to read your free tutorial as supplement, there's nothing legally wrong with that. Is it a bad deal to pay $25 if the bulk of it is free? Of course! Is it illegal? Of course not! Is the entire course based on just your tutorial? Unlikely.
Dusty I have the same problem
Post by: Zero on August 16, 2007, 07:58:30 pm
Post by: ndchristie on August 16, 2007, 09:21:00 pm
I tend to avoid real nuisances by hitting "reply" even if i'm not going to because it limits the number of posts I need to load to just the new ones.
Post by: Feron on August 17, 2007, 12:14:31 am
Post by: Blick on August 17, 2007, 04:05:00 am
Post by: Rydin on August 17, 2007, 04:09:07 am
Post by: ndchristie on August 17, 2007, 04:56:51 am
Post by: crab2selout.png on August 17, 2007, 05:10:55 am
Post by: Blick on August 17, 2007, 05:28:31 am
Post by: Helm on August 17, 2007, 06:49:20 am
Post by: Zach on August 17, 2007, 08:03:19 am
Post by: skw on August 17, 2007, 12:13:44 pm
Post by: ptoing on August 17, 2007, 02:50:35 pm
Post by: Larwick on August 17, 2007, 03:55:35 pm
If not two million. :watev:"
Omg i lolled. :y:
Post by: Xion on August 17, 2007, 06:55:23 pm
Post by: Blick on August 17, 2007, 09:50:19 pm
And yes, Punaji is down. Which is sort of strange, beings David had just talked about how art boards are a hopeless waste of time :\
Post by: Zach on August 17, 2007, 09:57:59 pm
he wouldn't be that of an asshole to just shut down punaji on us.
he was just proving an open point that art forums and how critiquing is handled is somewhat obsolete with the wrong a different variety of skilled artists...
Post by: ndchristie on August 18, 2007, 01:48:30 am
David always struck me as a little bit in love with himself and his work, but that's just an opinion. The fact that he seldom listens to critique doesn't render it invalid, and the fact that he hasn't improved much in the last few years....well, I hope that he is satisfied with his current skill level.
Of course, he's never stuck me as a bad guy, and I don't see why anyone would dismantle a forum.
Post by: Blick on August 18, 2007, 04:24:35 am
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The fact that he seldom listens to critique doesn't render it invalid, and the fact that he hasn't improved much in the last few years....well, I hope that he is satisfied with his current skill level.He's actually improved a lot with his watercolors and drawing in the past few months from what I've seen.
Post by: Zach on August 18, 2007, 06:40:15 pm
Post by: ndchristie on August 18, 2007, 10:07:07 pm
Post by: Rox on August 19, 2007, 09:43:29 am
Post by: ndchristie on August 19, 2007, 02:54:24 pm
My friend owns a pool.
I don't vote.
Post by: Feron on August 19, 2007, 04:10:48 pm
i cant vote - i aint old enough yet :'(
Post by: Panda on August 19, 2007, 04:27:07 pm
Anyway, Ptoing is visiting and we've been playing Taiko no Tatsujin DS, pretty fun. ;D
Post by: ndchristie on August 19, 2007, 04:44:04 pm
My friend does have a pool though, it's bad for my blecahed hair (always makes it look a little green for day)
Once i'm old enough to vote I'll register. I'm just moving from RI to NY, so it's hardly like it matters (republicans aren't going to get the win any time soon).
Post by: Xion on August 19, 2007, 05:42:24 pm
I'll vote when I'm old enough via eenie meenie minie mo. And I'll vote on every issue, even before I know what it is.
And the future is Now.
Post by: Jericho on August 19, 2007, 07:47:09 pm
Those were actually lines from freeloveforum - Coal.
My friend does have a pool though, it's bad for my blecahed hair (always makes it look a little green for day)
Once i'm old enough to vote I'll register. I'm just moving from RI to NY, so it's hardly like it matters (republicans aren't going to get the win any time soon).
it turns your hair green? My hair is almost white b/c i've bleached it so much and it's never turned green from pools LOL
I've been old enough to vote for a few years now but have never been inclined to do so.
Post by: ndchristie on August 19, 2007, 08:16:16 pm
Post by: Helm on August 19, 2007, 10:55:58 pm
The future is pending.
Post by: Faktablad on August 20, 2007, 12:19:54 am
Post by: AdamAtomic on August 20, 2007, 04:01:27 am
I don't usually shower at guy friend's houses.
Because that would make you gay.
:-*
But seriously! Chlorine does not make your hair turn green (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_causes_bleached_blonde_hair_to_turn_green_after_swimming). And yeah, don't bleach your hair if you can avoid it, it will feel like straw and then if you don't re-bleach it regularly you're left with dumb lookin hair for at least a month; cuz a dude with roots is not what you want to be.
Post by: RhysD on August 20, 2007, 04:31:43 am
Helm's hair says: don't dye your hair, and especially bleach it. It makes helm's hair cry. And it ain't pretty when hair cries, I get all soaked wet!
The future is pending.
haha so true, never dyed my hair, don't intend on it...unless I go grey before i'm 30.
Post by: Rox on August 20, 2007, 08:52:40 am
But grey hair looks cool. Especially long grey hair. I'd be, like, a young Gandalf or something. Even though his is white, not grey... I can understand why females (like my mom) make a habit of dying their hair... mom tends to dye hers in the color it used to be before she turned 50. That makes sense to me. But I still don't get why guys want to dye their hair. I know a couple of brown haired friends who've dyed their hair black a number of times. It looks kinda silly to me, because I think I can tell the difference between natural black and artificial black. I guess I could understand if it was a theme or something, but if you go about with the exact same clothes and shoes and attitude as before, but with a new, slightly different hair color... why do it? It costs money to do that! Money you can spend on clothes that also change your look but last longer, or... or video games!
I tried the Stranglehold demo on 360 yesterday. I'm totally buying it sometime. It's like Max Payne minus drama plus even more bullet time. And sliding down handrails while shooting people.
Anyway, I'd like if my hair turned grey. I'd look sophisticated and defined. I like my hair color, but I couldn't get it back if I tried, so I don't see the point in trying. Besides, I hope my hair goes white when I'm old, and I'm still able to grow it fairly long. Long, white hair looks awesome on old people.
Post by: Mr.Modem on August 20, 2007, 09:26:54 am
My friend does have a pool though, it's bad for my blecahed hair (always makes it look a little green for day)
So that dude in your partisan thread is actually you after a swim? :P
and oh, the future is....disappointing
Post by: Helm on August 20, 2007, 09:38:12 am
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I think I can tell the difference between natural black and artificial black.
Everybody can.
Post by: Rox on August 20, 2007, 01:09:33 pm
Post by: Helm on August 20, 2007, 02:23:56 pm
Post by: Rox on August 20, 2007, 02:30:24 pm
Also, I have no clue why I said I THINK. I guess it's because I don't think I really know any natural black haired people... except my dad, of course. But I haven't seen him in almost a year. Damn, time flies...
Post by: huZba on August 20, 2007, 02:59:52 pm
I tried the Stranglehold demo on 360 yesterday. I'm totally buying it sometime. It's like Max Payne minus drama plus even more bullet time. And sliding down handrails while shooting people.Better try that out as well, sounds like fun. The bioshock demo was nice too and it has received very high scores on reviews... coming out this week i think.
Post by: Feron on August 20, 2007, 03:57:21 pm
in the meantime my 360 has gone away to be mended by the nice microsoft people, however i suspect they will just replace it.
Post by: Malor on August 21, 2007, 12:12:16 am
Post by: Jericho on August 21, 2007, 12:50:57 am
I don't usually shower at guy friend's houses.
Because that would make you gay.
:-*
But seriously! Chlorine does not make your hair turn green (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_causes_bleached_blonde_hair_to_turn_green_after_swimming). And yeah, don't bleach your hair if you can avoid it, it will feel like straw and then if you don't re-bleach it regularly you're left with dumb lookin hair for at least a month; cuz a dude with roots is not what you want to be.
haha my hair is strong =p i bleach it every month or so and no strawhead yet. But yes..crunchy hair is a nono
Post by: huZba on August 21, 2007, 05:13:05 am
what's happening to 360's? I am worried because I purchased one 1 week ago D:
Extremely high defect rate. Mine has a faulty DVD drive(tray doesn't always open, occasionally unable to read disks), but luckily no overheating so far. I talked to a local retailer and they suspect 20-30% of 360s lasting less than a year. Good thing they extended the warranty, so no need to worry. In comparison Wii and PS3 are somewhere under 1%, which is far below the industry standard of 3-5%.
What's with everyone bleaching their hair?
Post by: Jad on August 21, 2007, 08:30:24 am
What's with everyone bleaching their hair?
They just wanna be ganguro (http://yoe.iki.fi/img/ganguro.jpg).
Post by: .TakaM on August 21, 2007, 09:45:14 am
:(
Post by: dragonrc on August 21, 2007, 12:38:24 pm
Post by: Ryan Cordel on August 21, 2007, 01:53:04 pm
That would look interesting to abuse for a Twinsen speedrun though, I guess. :P
Post by: .TakaM on August 21, 2007, 02:24:23 pm
but there are some exploits that are kinda handy and tough to pull off, but not tough enough, so they must go >:0
falling off the edge of the level is pretty useless though, because you can only do it once you reach the end of the level, and since twinsen moves 2 pixels per frame as his slowest pace, you need to move onto the first pixel where there is no floor collision, meaning you can only do it half the time at best :P
Post by: .TakaM on August 24, 2007, 10:25:21 am
To be fair, my uncle hasn't trained him at all, he doesn't sit or anything, and he's constantly jumping into the doors and windows- wanting to come inside.
and he's just annoying, like I'll play fetch with both of them, Jazz will chase the ball, run back and drop it at my feet, Don will just piss allover it etc
Anywho, our neighbours took a photo of both dogs today, they climbed up the fence and were peeking over:
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/29/dsci0340mp8.jpg)
as much as I don't like don, its a nice photo
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just realized I double posted :-[
Post by: Rox on August 25, 2007, 09:10:56 am
Oh crap I can't do that anymore..
Oh crap, I've never been able to do that... Oh well.
I'd say it's alright. No one's posted in this thread for FOUR DAYS anyway. I think people have fallen asleep, or caught on fire. I almost burst into flames two days ago when walking to school. It's seriously that freaking warm here. Well, I guess most of America has it even worse, I'm still pretty far up north... but still, this is beyond the kind of warmth that I'm used to. It's downright unpleasant.
Post by: Froli on August 25, 2007, 11:27:25 pm
Oh yeah, something painful to watch
Miss Teen USA 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Post by: Stwelin on August 26, 2007, 12:00:24 am
Oh yeah, something painful to watch
Miss Teen USA 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Whoa...wha-.. hmmmm...
I'm not sure the answer "Education in the United States should help South African countries so we will be able to build up our future" is an adequate response to the question: "Why do you think 5% of the American population cannot locate the U.S. on a map."
This is why other countries dislike the U.S.
Post by: Zolthorg on August 26, 2007, 06:00:11 am
anyone seen this?
can you uh spot the not O_o
Post by: Sherman Gill on August 26, 2007, 06:16:33 am
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can you uh spot the not O_oIt's terrible, Frank! My father died the same way... (From crappy game-porting ideas, that is)
I mean, seriously, how could that not upset the balance? Have a team of 5 Gafgarions at the beginning of chapter 2?
Post by: am_pm on August 26, 2007, 07:50:09 pm
Post by: Jad on August 26, 2007, 07:58:53 pm
Otherwise than that, playing with a gamepad is nice :D
Post by: Zolthorg on August 27, 2007, 12:18:25 am
Quotecan you uh spot the not O_oIt's terrible, Frank! My father died the same way... (From crappy game-porting ideas, that is)
I mean, seriously, how could that not upset the balance? Have a team of 5 Gafgarions at the beginning of chapter 2?
you can be level 99 before chapter 2, the game is not balanced
it jumps between way too easy
and stupidly hard
based on certain qualities of the engine
i was rather referring to how out of style the sprite was, it sticks out like a sore thumb, a sore thumb with a very flat head.
the onion knight fits relatively well, if it's not a bit bright.
Post by: Froli on August 27, 2007, 05:03:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_w5CSKfrI
Post by: .TakaM on August 27, 2007, 09:36:59 pm
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5261.html
I'm really dreading when gamespot puts up their review, shall we place bets? I'm thinking an 8.4/10
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and the gamespot review is in, 8.5/10 for Prime 3 :P classic gamespot, such idiots..
they also gave Super Metroid an 8.5/10, their justification was "Nintendo waited 13 years to let us play Super Metroid again." :crazy: :y:
Post by: Feron on August 27, 2007, 10:01:52 pm
seriously reccomend it to anyone, just a great exerience - so much so i hardly noticed i was away from the interwebz :p
Post by: am_pm on August 27, 2007, 10:26:21 pm
Actually I prefer to use my keyboard for cave story. That way I get to use my Left Middle Finger of Mashing Doom to kill the bosses in no time :]
Otherwise than that, playing with a gamepad is nice :D
I dunno, it's just more fluid with a gamepad. It reminds me so much of the classic NES games. I love it!
It makes me want to make a sidescrolling RPG. Maybe a Hack and Slash. That would be cool. But it would also be Castlevania. Oh well.
Post by: Rox on August 28, 2007, 09:13:35 am
and the gamespot review is in, 8.5/10 for Prime 3 :P classic gamespot, such idiots..
Huh? Is Corruption better than that? Doesn't look it to me. I had high hopes in the beginning, but the more they showed the less I want it. I actually dare say I still have no reason to buy a Wii. In the beginning, it was Zelda and Red Steel. However, I've never bought a Zelda game in my life, so that I didn't do it this time is no surprise. Red Steel turned out mediocre. Then Prime and SSBB remained. SSBB will be great, but not great enough for me to buy a console for, especially when I have no friends to play it with. And Prime, like I said, has lost more and more of its appeal to me.
Besides, 8.5 is WAY above avarage. On Gamespot's scale, I find anything above 7 buy-worthy at full price, as long as it's not a genre I happen to hate. The bad points seem fair, too. Score reduced because it feel less adventurous and more of an action game (something I've been worrying about all the time), it's too similar to the previous games (something I hated about Echoes, half of the enemies were just remakes of Prime enemies, and the level design was similar - but worse), and some context-sensitive stuff doesn't work very well. Seem like fair points to me.
However, it got more of those good "badge" type thingies than any other game I've seen since Gamespot redesigned their system. It got awards for awesome bosses, sharp controls (a first on the Wii), outstanding visual design, and great sequel. And the review even states that if you like Metroid, you WILL buy Corruption, you have no reason not to. I don't know how you can call that a bad review. How does that make the editor an idiot?
Post by: .TakaM on August 28, 2007, 10:36:06 am
gamespot gave warioware (wii) a 9.1/10
It looked to be a decent game, I definitely wasn't going to buy it, and it definitely doesn't look better than metroid.
gamespot gave the RE4 remake a 9.1/10
A remake of a gamecube game that offered absolutely nothing new except wii controls.
Metroid Prime 3 is one of the biggest games of the year, especially for nintendo fans, it's been built from the ground up specifically for the Wii, and they still somehow managed to list the intuitive and immersive controls as a con because they make the game "too easy"
I don't really have a problem with gamespot's score, but it's the fact their reviews are constantly 10% off the norm, usually in the opposite direction of others and they never explain intelligently why.
And because they're still "a good score" people consider gamespot just as relevant and totally look past their sloppy, retarded, nonsensical review, simply because the score is "still a good score"
Look at the super metroid review, a game that is no stranger to top ten lists and has claimed the #1 spot more than once, they also gave it an 8.5 simply because nintendo waited 13 years to port it.
Is that a con?
if nintendo did port the game to GBA or DS, you can bet gamespot would've docked 6 points off because they didn't want a port.
they make no sense, and just because their scores are "still good" does not mean I'm going to look past it.
Post by: Rox on August 28, 2007, 06:52:10 pm
I can't comment on those examples, except for RE4, which I don't doubt is one of the, if not the best game available for the Wii right now. It's a completely amazing game, even if it's just a straight port with new controls, that still makes it a completely amazing game - if maybe a bit older than the first time it showed up.
He never said the controls make it too easy, he meant they seem to make it more of an action game than an adventure game. The first Prime made it very obvious it's not an FPS because it didn't use the dual thumbstick control scheme. No need for precise aiming, more focus on tactics in battles, and exploration outside of them. That little nuance is gone in Corruption. I think that's what he wanted to point out. I do hear it's much more action oriented than the previous games, and less exploration based.
Gamespot's reviews are constantly 10% off the norm? Compared to what? The only sites I actually look at for serious reviews are IGN and Gamespot, and IGN seem to score good games even higher and bad games even lower. Gamespot are extremely good at avoiding handing out perfect ratings. IGN is worse at that. IGN are also much better at focusing so much on minor flaws in games that they consistently forget to mention some of the good things. Gamespot, in my opinion, make it perfectly clear exactly what's good and what's less good about every game they've reviewed lately. That, in combination with the score, paints a really clear picture to me. You shouldn't just go by the score alone, it's more of a compliment to the review itself.
Super Metroid you say? 8.5 seems right to me. Well, I might prefer it a bit closer to 9. Say... 8.8 or something like that. Why, what'd you rate it? Without being blinded by nostalgia, of course. I couldn't, I played Super Metroid for the first time a mere three years ago. I remember finding it too easy, actually, very uninteresting enemies, and extremely strange, floaty controls that took me hours to get used to. Seriously. However, it IS still one of the best exploration based games, the art is great and the music is fantastic. So 8.8 seems fine to me.
Post by: Ornust on August 28, 2007, 10:46:07 pm
In other news, my PC stopped booting up, so I won't be making a fool of myself for a while. I'm typing this on my Wii. Auto Dictionary for the win.
Post by: OzBlueShoes on August 29, 2007, 12:33:08 am
I was playing tetris, and I had left the far left side empty, so if I got a | piece, I could get the 4-clears in a row. And then it appeared... the face of our lord god, Arthur Fonzarelli. Kidding... but it looked somewhat like a generic smiley face. I was wondering if anybody would try a tetris like color area restraint. Basically, your pixel image would have to be made up pixels form like tetris blocks (remember, 4 blocks a piece) and each tetris piece being a color itself. Now, if you want to get super-challenged, you could make each similar piece a similar color as well. I'd pay to see something like that (as long as it wasn't too small, and unchallenging).
Any takers?
Post by: Stwelin on August 29, 2007, 01:19:17 am
Reading Festival was the dogs bollocks, never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!
never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!
never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!
D:
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I play Cave Story (when i play it) with a gamepad as well, I can't find myself playing platformers on a keyboard very effectively. I beat R-Type 3 last weekend, (emulated, mind you, only save-stated at regular checkpoints, though. :P) Seriously though, does _anyone_ play that game for score? Ridiculous.
Anyway, kinda bummed now that school is in session, taking 3 AP courses this semester alone. Have no idea how I am going to schedule work around the work, but I need to pay off my car. I'm also finding less time to finish a game I am working on, which is frustrating because this one is actually GOING somewhere, and I am interested in finishing it (this is a very rare thing.)
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 01:52:24 am
R-type is certainly beatable with one coin and it appeals to a certain type of shooter player, the one that likes the memorex thing, not the twitch thing.
Post by: .TakaM on August 29, 2007, 07:52:06 am
Heh, we're complete opposites, then. I've had to defend Gamespot, because so far they've only had TWO reviews I've ever disagreed with. They're usually exactly in tune with my own opinion.I'm not happy because you've brought me to re-read gamespots retarded reviews in an effort to make their stupidity undeniable.
I can't comment on those examples, except for RE4, which I don't doubt is one of the, if not the best game available for the Wii right now. It's a completely amazing game, even if it's just a straight port with new controls, that still makes it a completely amazing game - if maybe a bit older than the first time it showed up.
He never said the controls make it too easy, he meant they seem to make it more of an action game than an adventure game. The first Prime made it very obvious it's not an FPS because it didn't use the dual thumbstick control scheme. No need for precise aiming, more focus on tactics in battles, and exploration outside of them. That little nuance is gone in Corruption. I think that's what he wanted to point out. I do hear it's much more action oriented than the previous games, and less exploration based.
Gamespot's reviews are constantly 10% off the norm? Compared to what? The only sites I actually look at for serious reviews are IGN and Gamespot, and IGN seem to score good games even higher and bad games even lower. Gamespot are extremely good at avoiding handing out perfect ratings. IGN is worse at that. IGN are also much better at focusing so much on minor flaws in games that they consistently forget to mention some of the good things. Gamespot, in my opinion, make it perfectly clear exactly what's good and what's less good about every game they've reviewed lately. That, in combination with the score, paints a really clear picture to me. You shouldn't just go by the score alone, it's more of a compliment to the review itself.
Super Metroid you say? 8.5 seems right to me. Well, I might prefer it a bit closer to 9. Say... 8.8 or something like that. Why, what'd you rate it? Without being blinded by nostalgia, of course. I couldn't, I played Super Metroid for the first time a mere three years ago. I remember finding it too easy, actually, very uninteresting enemies, and extremely strange, floaty controls that took me hours to get used to. Seriously. However, it IS still one of the best exploration based games, the art is great and the music is fantastic. So 8.8 seems fine to me.
I will put the RE4 Wii version review up against the Prime 3 review.
First, it is clear to note that gamespot did not deduct any points from RE4 because it was a port, they atleast did not state that they did - they didn't list the fact it's a port in the cons list, and he repeatedly delivered stumbled sentences insisting that even though it's a port it's still good etc.
Honestly, the RE4 review isn't written too badly, but I'd still disagree with the score, the best version of the game? probably, but since it's taken them four versions to get it the best it can be I would deduct points.
The MP3 review however is a god damn mess.
like all gamespot reviews it starts off by listing the pros and cons in an effort to save you the brain damage from reading their review.
for the pros, he lists the excellent environmental puzzles, boss fights, level design, and the overall gameplay.
in the cons he lists some of the motion sensitive controls aren't always read successfully, the "streamlined" controls make the game too easy, and points out that it's a sequel.
the first paragraph seems to take no notice of the pros and con list, assuring those that MP3 continues the excellent series, the controls are "terrific and intuiitive", "is a dream",etc.
then further contradictions stating the combat is "easier" and the overall design is "conservative"
the next paragraph he reminds players that the first metroid prime was great, and even though this third game is a "solid successor" somehow it shouldn't stop you from checking it out.
this review is littered with back-handed compliments like this that make no god damn sense and is a clear depiction that this is not a review, this is propaganda disguised as a review and covered up with a "still good score"
Forget the fact that yes there are metroid fanboys complaining about nothing more than the score, and consider that for this review they gave it the score of a 4/10.
It would fit in just as well, the only difference it would make is the fact that no one could argue gamespot's writers are not idiots.
Almost every paragraph starts with "If"s and "But"s, they constantly dance around noting anything substantial about Prime 3, and infact I'd say they make more better points when they reference back to prime1/2
And whenever he finds himself praising some part of the game, he quickly rights himself and brings up the context sensitive controls that he has a problem with.
I'd like to point out that IGN praised the context sensitive controls, and went so far to say they were beautifully implemented and did not feel gimmicky at all.
I'm going to wait until I get the game to pass judgement myself, but I'll also remind you gamespot is home to fat lazy reviewers who tried to bowl sitting on the couch swinging their arm like some sort of handicap and then blamed it on the game when they kept getting gutter-balls.
and then of course in the final paragraph he mentions the disappointing lack of multiplayer.
does it sound like I hate gamespot?
I'm really not trying to hide it, they write like idiots, they do not know how to assess games with their constant use of phrases like "gives the impression" "looks like", I've long since gotten sick of their back handed reviews and their constant stream of contradictory and illogical reviews.
I greatly prefer reviews from IGN and GT, why?
because the guys at IGN and GT to me, are gamers first, and reviewers second.
they're not these pretentious cynical assholes that go into every review with a dozen back-handed compliments and a score they'll scramble to justify in mind.
they just make proper notes of things the game did a good job delivering, or didn't.
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Not sure if anyone wants to bother nore care about it, but GS has always been slanted against Nintendo, well at least for 10 years now. I have proof too. Using gamerankings.com you can search how a online/print magazine reviews games PER system. If you check this generation (wii, 360, ps3) you will find that Wii games get scored 2% lower than everyone else AND only 40% of their reviews for Wii are higher than the others (as in they come dead last.) The 360 is down by almost 1% and their average is around 50%, but when it's the PS3 they UPreview over other sites by I think 7% and 67% of their reviews are HIGHER than the rest of the sites.
NOW that's documented slant.
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Man, I wasn't going to post about this...another interesting thing is I've found a lot of intelligent comments from people who are disgusted by gamespot, and none from people who favour them.
Like a lot of other people, I was kind of surprised to see the 8.5, especially given IGN's review and the seeming consensus that this is a top-notch game, and probably Wii's finest thus far. But, hey -- I respect a diversity of opinion, and anyways, most people are right: no sense in whining about the score a game gets when we haven't even played it yet. Right?
But then I read the review and... boy, it submarines this game! I'm sure you've heard the expression "damned by faint praise." The idea being that if you call something "fairly good," "decent," or "passable" it has the same negative effect (and sometimes stronger) than calling it "bad." Well the idea of "faint praise" is too strong for this review. It reads almost as though the reviewer wants the game to fail. Conspiracy-theory much? Yeah, I don't want to go down that road, but let's take a look:
The game is an 8.5, right? That's a high score. Should mean that this is a very good game, right? It is, after all, "a high-quality continuation of the series" with "terrific and intuitive" controls. Now... if this is a high-quality continuation of a series that has thus far scored 9.7 and 9.1, it should be pretty darned good. Yet the remainder of the opening paragraph -- more than half -- starts to run negative, saying that the game "does exactly what you expect it to do, no more and no less." Hmm...
The second paragraph digs in hard, comparing this game to its lauded progenitor: "{w}hile Metroid Prime spectacularly ushered Metroid gameplay into a 3D vision, Corruption is content to be a solid successor." "Content" makes the designers sound lazy, and "solid" isn't a very enthusiastic description. Are 8.5s "solid"? Then, the reviewer assures us that "{we} shouldn't let some spurts of predictability dissuade you from checking it out"... well, I should hope not if it's an 8.5... I mean, that's really good, right? "Terrific and intuitive" controls, right? I mean, why does the reviewer start to sense that his review of this 8.5 game might dissuade us from even checking it out? But he can't even let it rest there... not just anyone should check this out, but "particularly if you are a Metroid enthusiast." Here the review starts to insinuate that the game is good, not just for people who enjoy games like Prime, but for those who are specifically Metroid-people. "Enthusiasts," which is a not-too-subtle euphemism for Fanboys.
The reviewer seemingly cannot compliment the game without immediately following up with some sort of an insult or criticism. Check out this from the fourth paragraph: "The obvious change here is in the controls, and Corruption leaves behind the methodical maneuvering of its GameCube brethren with an intuitive and configurable scheme that sets the standard for first-person shooting controls on the Wii, despite Corruption's battles not being all that challenging." Good God, what a sentence. First, he cheapshots the GameCube with its "methodical maneuvering"... which... I guess... would be roughly equivalent to the methodical maneuvering currently found on all the other consoles, right? Then, he states that this control set-up "sets the standard...on the Wii"! Excuse me, but... why the modifier? Consensus seems to be that this control set-up "sets the standard" period. For the 360. For the PS3. For all of them. Then, and despite the fact that it doesn't strictly relate to the quality of the controls, he ends the sentence by slighting the game's challenge. I won't count them all out to you, but I dare you to comb through the article and take a look at the "compliments" -- they almostalways go hand-in-hand with a slight.
Not that the reviewer needs the excuse of balancing a compliment to slam the game. In the third paragraph, in referencing the idea that the reviewer doesn't plan on spoiling us, he takes a gratuitous pot shot: "(Not that the Prime games have ever strived to set standards for gaming fiction.) " Well, great. What does that mean? That the story's weak? No -- the reviewer wouldn't go so far; his goal is, apparently, to make his review seem positive while infusing it with insults and complaints.
All in all, we learn that the control scheme "{has} been done before, of course," that the game is "without a sense of challenge," and that it is too much a FPS (apparently due to the smooth controls) which "keep{s} it from being as special as the other Prime titles." Indeed, that "Corruption loses some of its sense of wonder and strangeness on the Wii. Rather than being a true action adventure, it's hard to lose the sense that it's merely an FPS with trimmings."
Wow. Now... how do we reconcile the idea that it's lost its "sense of wonder" when the game "features superb art direction, so every level is even more incredible to explore than the last"? Or that it's no longer a "true action adventure" when "you'll need to use your wits as much as you use weapons that turn alien scum into goo" and "{e}nvironmental puzzles are generally as good in Corruption as they've ever been"? Furthermore, how do we reconcile any of these serious criticisms with such a high score?
I guess it doesn't matter, that we don't have to worry ourselves about it, because "any fan ought to enjoy this outing in spite of those quibbles" {read "fan" as Metroid enthusiast}, "[t]he exotic worlds of Corruption will excite series fans" and "{i}f you're a Metroid fan, there's no need to convince you to play Metroid Prime 3: Corruption." In other words, the reviewer is saying that Metroid Fanboys will like this game no matter what...
...but the true point of this review is: if you're not already a "series fan," then despite the 8.5, you don't really need to bother with it.
The review is muddled, self-contradictory, and worse: against my better judgment, I walk away thinking that it sets out to intentionally sabotage the game that it purports to praise (remember: 8.5 is "high"). I don't know why; I can't fathom motive; but it's in the review, if you read it carefully.
I know it's been said before, but, do we even have to speculate that, when Halo 3 comes out, its reviewer will talk about how the game "feels familiar"? Or how Halo's controls don't match up to the industry leader (Metroid Prime 3, for the Wii), as Wii reviews nearly always mention how the graphics just can't compare to those of other systems? Will we be told that it's been "done before"?Of course not. We know Halo 3's review won't have any of that. Maybe this isn't a double standard. But, if it's not a double standard, then I guess I just don't know what "double standard" means.
I guess it's just easier to be an elitist cynic because you aren't obliged to explain yourself.
Post by: Rox on August 29, 2007, 08:54:07 am
Yep, as I thought, all three Prime games were reviewed by different editors. That explains the scores. Each review is credited to ONE editor. That's something you shouldn't forget. You can't just say "Ooh this entire site is biased in THIS direction", because each editor is an individual being, they write their own reviews and put them on the site. I agree with mr. Kasavin's review on the first Metroid Prime. Mr. Shoemaker (who's a pretty funny guy otherwise) gave Echoes a bit too high a score actually, if you ask me. For some reason, I was not entertained by Echoes at all. I borrowed it from my friend, I didn't even bother buying it. I played it through once, then tried again on the hard difficulty to try to squeeze a bit of more entertainment out of it, but I got tired just a few hours in and just returned the game. It didn't feel fun to me at all.
Alright, I agree, when compared, 8.5 seems ridiculously low a score. But that's partly because Echoes' score was way too high. I'd rather see the Echoes and Corruption scores switch places, even though I haven't actually played Corruption so I can't tell how fair that is (all my impressions so far have come from friends and fellow fans on the m2k2 boards).
Okay, so I read the massive quoteblock. The last bit about Halo 3 confused me a bit. Halo 3 doesn't have any of that "feels like I've done this before" deal, because the majority of the enemies are brand new, almost half of the weapons are brand new, there's like four or five brand new vehicles and every single map has something that the previous games haven't been able to do. Besides, in a way, I still think the control scheme comment is correct, even though it's phrased oddly. Imagine if Halo 3 would have fewer enemies and more platorm jumping, and the dual analog configuration was remade to be more like Prime to make the platform bits easier. That'd be completely strange. It'd be as strange as if Prime suddenly got a dual-analog scheme instead and had more focus on action instead of adventuring. Oh wait, that's pretty much what happened in Corruption.
But you're right, 8.5 seems too low when compared. Not that you should compare, really, but sometimes you have to. However, I'd have to play Corruption to be able to say anything more about it, and that won't happen because there's nothing that makes me want a Wii now. Too few good games, too MANY good games coming for the 360. Maybe in a year I'll end up buying one - we'll see. Ooh, maybe if they'd release an F-Zero or StarFox title...
[edit] Oh, and I've never seen any intelligent comment about any game review site, until now. I've never seen anyone else stand up for Gamespot. Why is beyond me, because I still trust them the most I've ever trusted any reviewer (except the guys on Attack Games here in Sweden while they still existed...) [/edit]
Post by: .TakaM on August 29, 2007, 09:23:05 am
and the halo 3 comment is a bit of a stretch, it makes a bit more sense to swap it with re4 :p
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 11:40:36 am
woo, drugs :-\
nothing wrong with a little high now and then... marijuana will be legal here within the next 10 years...
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 01:02:19 pm
woo, drugs :-\
nothing wrong with a little high now and then...
That can be argued from many standpoints, not sure if I want to get into that discussion right now. But I don't think there's things severily wrong with soft drugs that aren't wrong with alcohol abuse. Addictive substances that put 'artifical happiness' within reach at any given time are a recipe for abuse. Even if it doesn't kill you, I'll tell you that I know very-very few people who are regular users where it hasn't taken over their life.
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marijuana will be legal here within the next 10 years...
That is very likely and probably for the best.
Post by: The B.O.B. on August 29, 2007, 01:43:26 pm
In other news, one of my friends died of an overdose. He smoked weed, but I didn't know he was into other harder stuff, as well. Apparently they didn't know he had died where he did, so he was left out in the sun for a couple of days in an empty apt. on the balcony, causing officials to search by dental records, due to his body being unrecognizable. Hopefully the guy's happy now, where ever he is...
Post by: .TakaM on August 29, 2007, 02:15:02 pm
Back in highschool, I only really drank for the last two years, and man did I get sick of it.
First, I could no longer drink beer, so I switched to vodka, and eventually harder liquor as a means to get it over with.
After so many parties I got sick of being drunk, I never really let myself go and did something stupid I'd regret the next day, because I could never really shake my consciousness like everyone else seemed to be able.
I know it was just highschool and most of them were waiting for the opportunity to do some stupid crap, but I wasn't.
and every party was the same, same shitty music, same "ooh let's sit around a fire" "let's attempt a sport" "let's go get some chips" etc
so after a while I stopped drinking at parties and shortly after I stopped going entirely, I knew when I was drunk that it was really lame and boring, but I just assumed it was part of the excellent teenage experience and stuck it out, but when I was sober I couldn't stand it lol
My friends still come round every week and we sometimes drink, but I rarely will, I don't want to get drunk, so why put up with the taste?
stuff like marijuana I can understand much better though, I rarely smoke it, only with my friends, and what can I say?
it's more fun than being drunk, you don't feel a bit sick, no one else seems to lose their inhibitions and it doesn't taste crap.
I'd never pay for the stuff or smoke it alone for no reason, and I'd never do anything harder, as far as I'm concerned it's just a plant and a matter of time before it's "acceptable"
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 02:20:12 pm
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no one else seems to lose their inhibitions
Dude it's the number one reason a lot of dead-end morons in school ever got laid. You're just smoking with your buddies and there's no inhibitions there to lose. Try to go to a party where everyone's stoned... There's a whole batallion of girls that will have sex with you just so you will give them free weed. That's where the whole 'weed is cool' mythology starts, because it's more than just a social lubricant (like alcohol) it's a social shortcut. All these people who never amount to anything else than the weed-provider their whole life will be severily bummed out when the girls just go to the k-mart and buy their own hashish.
But guess what? They won't. Because once it's legal, habitual usage will go down.
Also, there's a lot of perfectly natural plants that will kill you dead in minutes if you eat them. Hashish might not be toxic (I'm not sure where the debate is on this one) but it kills brain-cells (slower than alcohol, but what does this tell you?) and it certainly has side-effects and a clear come-down for most people who take it. I've seen people get so depressed and paranoid after taking weed. You know what their solution is, right? Smoking more weed. Be careful.
I only drink Guinness (and Murphys when they don't have guinness) because it's A FULL NUTRITIOUS MEAL IN A GLASS and I never get drunk on it. It's just something I enjoy, taste-wise. Most beers and generally alcohol have awful taste.
Post by: .TakaM on August 29, 2007, 02:22:26 pm
Post by: Rox on August 29, 2007, 02:32:30 pm
But people who have to take a couple of hours off one day to go to the liquor store to figure out what to buy to get the most intoxicated in the shortest time, and end up buying alcohol for more money than I spend for one week of food and candy... How that that be worth it? Same with other types of drugs, really. Except the downsides are fewer with many of them. But anyway, I don't get how people can enjoy taking substances that alter their mind and make them temporarily freaking stupid. I like to feel intelligent. Oh, wait, maybe that's what it's about? Some people are already too stupid, so they do drugs to forget how stupid they are so they can feel smart!
Eh, maybe not. I'm actually pretty damn extreme. I don't do any kind of drugs, even non-mind-altering ones. Well, there is one thing, I have to take pills for my pollen allergy, but I can't really do much about that. Luckily I seem to need less and less for each year, though, so maybe it's going away or something. But I know many people who take a pill and a glass of water for each measly headache they get. What's up with that? I haven't taken pills for pain and ache and stuff like that since I was too young to even remember doing it. We're talking at least ten years. Never once have I had a headache or migraine so bad I haven't been able to ride it out on my own.
Maybe it's because of my mentally healthy lifestyle, and the rest of the world needs drugs because it's too busy stressing out. I dunno.
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 02:41:11 pm
i dont think weed is a social shortcut, most of the girls i know are a bit against it. It just breaks up the monotony between beer and spirits, aswell as gives you so many different feelings.
takam. : its not a party if your buying chips and playing sports man :P
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 03:00:12 pm
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Never once have I had a headache or migraine so bad I haven't been able to ride it out on my own.
You are very lucky.
Post by: The B.O.B. on August 29, 2007, 03:26:02 pm
Post by: Dusty on August 29, 2007, 03:50:48 pm
I do take medicine a lot, I have constant migraines and have been medicated for stomach problems, but I've never felt a dependency(though morphine in the hospital was great...). I've even been prescribed with some high-inducing drugs(with fatal and dependency risks) for tooth aches, and still never felt any sort of addiction to them.
Post by: .TakaM on August 29, 2007, 04:06:22 pm
takam. : its not a party if your buying chips and playing sports man :PI never went to anything like a rave, but whats wrong with stopping to play some drunken rugby or volleyball?
My family has a history of migraines, all my brothers and dad gets them, but not my mother or sister.
I've only had 3 in my life, but my two eldest brothers get them pretty often, at least once a year.. and man it sucks.
last time I had one was about 3 years ago, friend dyed my hair, it burnt my entire scalp, and it stayed burning for the next couple of days.
triggered a migraine, so the next few days consisted of vomiting, cold baths, dark rooms and very little hearing, seeing and talking.
if we were a religious family, we'd probably consider it some sort of blessing, my brothers basically speak in "tongues" when they've got 'em
Post by: OzBlueShoes on August 29, 2007, 04:13:37 pm
Awesome site, every pose you can think of.
Post by: Dusty on August 29, 2007, 04:53:40 pm
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I never went to anything like a rave, but whats wrong with stopping to play some drunken rugby or volleyball?
My family has a history of migraines, all my brothers and dad gets them, but not my mother or sister.
I've only had 3 in my life, but my two eldest brothers get them pretty often, at least once a year.. and man it sucks.
last time I had one was about 3 years ago, friend dyed my hair, it burnt my entire scalp, and it stayed burning for the next couple of days.
triggered a migraine, so the next few days consisted of vomiting, cold baths, dark rooms and very little hearing, seeing and talking.
if we were a religious family, we'd probably consider it some sort of blessing, my brothers basically speak in "tongues" when they've got 'em
My doctor diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and I get these pretty much on a weekly basis. Though they're not as severe as that, I never throw-up, but I do feel like throwing up, and I get the usual, 'light and sound kills me' feeling, just not that extreme. Sadly because I have head and stomach problems, medicine for my stomach messes with my head, and medicine for migraines mess with my stomach. It's a bad loop.
Post by: big brother on August 29, 2007, 05:46:05 pm
I only drink Guinness (and Murphys when they don't have guinness) because it's A FULL NUTRITIOUS MEAL IN A GLASS and I never get drunk on it. It's just something I enjoy, taste-wise.
Consuming alcohol in any form dehydrates your body, inhibits protein synthesis, lowers testosterone while increasing estrogen levels, reduces your body's ability to metabolize fat, and promotes catabolism. These effects aren't the results of a heavy binge, either. They can be measured considerably after the consumption of two drinks.
Drink it for fun or because you enjoy the taste, but don't pretend it's beneficial. Those empty calories are a sad replacement for a meal.
Post by: Rox on August 29, 2007, 06:43:06 pm
Suddenly, I want a Dr Pepper... I must admit that I AM a sugar addict. Weakness is me. Cannot resist... Well, I can today, I've already had a bunch of chocolate. But I still miss the taste of my Dr Pepper... it's not just the sugar, it's the taste. When I'm in the mood for Dr Pepper, even a pint of Pepsi won't get me out of it. It's the taste that does it...
Actually, I'm in the mood for pizza, too. Damn, maybe I should eat something.
Post by: The B.O.B. on August 29, 2007, 07:06:34 pm
If anything, though, I friggin' miss my Mom's Mexican home cooking. Ooh, and pizza. Haven't had that in a while. Damn, my mouth is watering. Rox, you bastard. ...
Post by: ptoing on August 29, 2007, 07:25:19 pm
Drink it for fun or because you enjoy the taste, but don't pretend it's beneficial.
A bit of wine each day is actually healthy. And the estrogen thing is not for all sorts of alcohol I think, but deffo for beer.
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 07:45:31 pm
God made grass, man made beer.
Post by: Skull on August 29, 2007, 07:52:08 pm
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 07:52:42 pm
I only drink Guinness (and Murphys when they don't have guinness) because it's A FULL NUTRITIOUS MEAL IN A GLASS and I never get drunk on it. It's just something I enjoy, taste-wise.
Consuming alcohol in any form dehydrates your body, inhibits protein synthesis, lowers testosterone while increasing estrogen levels, reduces your body's ability to metabolize fat, and promotes catabolism. These effects aren't the results of a heavy binge, either. They can be measured considerably after the consumption of two drinks.
Drink it for fun or because you enjoy the taste, but don't pretend it's beneficial. Those empty calories are a sad replacement for a meal.
Hehe yes, I'm not really serious about FULL NUTRITIOUS MEAL.
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i know all the bad points about drinking and smoking and drugs... but tbh you only live once, might aswell enjoy it whilst your here.
God made grass, man made beer.
Enjoy your life, but keep in mind that if you do some things, you're doing them in place of other things you could be doing that you would enjoy more, possibly. Maintaining a lifestyle that allows for drug abuse will create problems for you in the long run. And I don't mean like, straight-ahead medical ones, you might just end up a deadbeat that smokes pot and plays videogames all day. If this is your idea of what you should do in your only live once life, I suggest you rethink it through. Aren't you like 17 to begin with?
Post by: big brother on August 29, 2007, 08:31:47 pm
A bit of wine each day is actually healthy. And the estrogen thing is not for all sorts of alcohol I think, but deffo for beer.
Because ethanol (a cellular toxin) is present in any form of alcohol we consume, wine is just as guilty as beer is. Gynecomastria is a proven symptom of long-term drinking (aromatization of androgens to estrogens). Although it may take you years to develop bitch tits, the alcohol affects your testosterone levels immediately. In men, the body will try to replenish testosterone by releasing Luteinizing Hormone. This is ultimately ineffective, since the depletion occurs at the cellular level, not the glandular. However, the LH will make you horny. Now IF wine somehow did not affect your hormones, then drinking it won't make you horny. This sounds like an experiment we can try at home!
The argument has been that wine (and beer) provides you with a dose of antioxidants. However, you can get these by a lot of other ways without the deleterious effects of alcohol. Not to sound like someone's mom, but fruits, veggies, fish...
Helm, I will pay more attention to the CAPS in the future. Missed the intentional hyperbole.
As far as weed goes, Penn & Teller had a good point: in the US, approximately 50,000 people die every year from alcohol poisoning; 500,000 from cigarettes. In the history of mankind, there is no record of anyone ever dying from marijuana (laced shit doesn't count and is a by-product of the quality control loss in a black market). Of course that doesn't mean it's good for you, just an indicator that we might be fighting the wrong thing.
Isn't caffeine the most commonly abused and addictive drug known to man?
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 09:01:21 pm
This is not an argument for or contra making it legal, it's an argument against its use. Cigarettes are legal but I don't think anyone should smoke either.
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 09:09:38 pm
Enjoy your life, but keep in mind that if you do some things, you're doing them in place of other things you could be doing that you would enjoy more, possibly. Maintaining a lifestyle that allows for drug abuse will create problems for you in the long run. And I don't mean like, straight-ahead medical ones, you might just end up a deadbeat that smokes pot and plays videogames all day. If this is your idea of what you should do in your only live once life, I suggest you rethink it through. Aren't you like 17 to begin with?
yeah im 17, an' loving it. btw im not a hardcore drug user - just now and then. some people think im a bit of an alcoholic but i could quit drinking if i wanted to. i dont think life through, the whole point of life is to see how it goes, everything happens for a reason. if i am meant to end up a crack-whore then i will but i sincerely hope life has something better planned out for me.
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 09:12:38 pm
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if i am meant to end up a crack-whore then i will
W...what? I'll chalk it up to being 17, sorry.
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 10:03:53 pm
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 10:37:07 pm
So keep that in mind. If you end up a crack whore, it's because you didn't feel like doing things different. If that rings the same to you as 'that's what I was ment to be' then great, carry on.
Post by: Feron on August 29, 2007, 10:52:26 pm
Post by: Helm on August 29, 2007, 10:55:18 pm
Post by: Dusty on August 29, 2007, 10:55:50 pm
That confusing statement just shows you how much I understand the whole destiny thing.
On other note, I decided to try to play Zelda II: Adventure of Link, with cheats... because I have gotten as far as Death mountain without them and that's where I started getting frustrated with it. Not a bad game when you eliminate the ridiculous difficulty level. And also, it seems I get sick whenever I play the game, I think it's from too many flashy colors.
Post by: Rox on August 29, 2007, 11:57:22 pm
However, that's it. Sometimes people seem like they're meant to die, or some seem like they're meant to be ridiculously lucky or wealthy. Only the destination, if anything, would be predetermined. And I don't think EVERYONE has a specified fate, either. Like I said, sometimes it just seems to happen. But usually it doesn't. The theory that everything you do is predetermined by some greater force is just... an excuse to not live, I think. When you run out of people to blame for how miserable you are, what's left to blame? Oh yeah, the universe itself. Hey, it's not my fault that I'm a worthless critter! The universe made me this way, I can't do anything about it! I never even wanted to be born!
Yeahh... doesn't it feel good to just rant about something for a while? It does.
Ohyeah, and no one's meant to end up a crack whore. Just considering the idea is really stupid. If you ask me, the "goal" of life is to make something of it. In a perfect world, everyone would be fighting toward a common goal, that ultimately makes life worth living. Everyone does it differently, some are revolutionary and rock the foundations of how things work, opening new paths. Some do politics and business, creating said foundations upon which we build our individual lives. Some save lives, help lives come into existance, prevent death. Some just make life a bit more fun, like artists, musicians, game designers and... um... clowns. To me, the least you can do is go with the flow and just ride along until you die. If nothing else, at least the people around you will have lead a more interesting life thanks to you. However, if you don't aim higher than to be a crack whore (or similar, just an example!), then you'd be making the world a WORSE place for everyone else. Don't do that. Get a haircut, tie your shoes and at least LIVE, if nothing else.
Post by: Feron on August 30, 2007, 12:04:25 am
i wanna do something with my life that people will remember me by, at least for a couple of generations or something...
Post by: EyeCraft on August 30, 2007, 02:56:37 am
What is it that ties one's mind to the concept of 'time'? How do we recognise that time exists, has passed, and will pass? I stipulate that memory of past events, and constantly updating knowledge in conjunction with memorising new events gives rise to the concept of time. But imagine if actually time did not exist, that the universe is locked in a single, static state of energy. What you are experiencing now is an entire memory of your life. You are just a memory, wired into a static web of energy in the fabric of whatever it is that exists outside of this experience we have which we identify as reality.
So, if our life, that is, our experience of existing, is in fact purely a very long memory playing out, then everything in our life has already 'happened'; all knowledge, all thought, all decisions, are in fact just memories in a sequence. Following this, it could be said that all experience of these things is preordained, and in fact merely an illusion of free will.
Not that I really believe that, I was just mulling it over. Even if it is the case (whatever you explanation is), illusion or not, decision -> action -> consequence. This is true irrelevant of whether or not you believe your decision was really 'yours'. No matter what, its inevitable that you WILL make a decision, and you CAN think about that decision. Therefore, thinking about a decision will lead to an action that you thought about, and thus a consequence within your consideration. Tossing your arms up in the air and saying "there's no point thinking about it because it's all written in that stars" just means that its written in the stars that you won't think about anything. You CAN think about it, regardless of free-will existing or not.
Post by: Xion on August 30, 2007, 03:29:48 am
However.
Perhaps when our lives flash before our eyes it occurs in real-time, with all sensations in tact from the moment they were perceived, and time perceived as a normal flow rather than an instant. In such a case, I may die one millisecond from now, and the now that I currently seem to be experiencing is merely an excerpt from the life I've already lived. This is the only case in which my actions might possibly be predetermined, but it still remains that I already made my actions of my own accord in the years before this period of time I call life which may or may not be an instant, which may or may not be milliseconds before my death.
Post by: Dusty on August 30, 2007, 03:50:31 am
After it's all said and done, destiny just seems to be a synonym for life, because all you're doing is describing your 'life' while tacking on the notion of it being written out, yet with no actual way of knowing it was.
I'd much prefer to think that I make my decisions and that if anything extraordinary happens, or something that makes me think, "why did it happen this way?", that it was a miracle, unexplainable, or that it was just how life is.
Post by: sharprm on August 30, 2007, 08:16:46 am
Interestingly, when I was overseas, the newspaper in China reported that, generally, the richer people are, the more satisfied people are with their lives. Its different cultures that result in (generally) migrant's children doing much more study and doing extremely very well in highschool and getting to do the courses for jobs with high salaries.
I wish that teachers in Western countries (that are mostly stupid in my experience) wouldn't tell everyone, "you're super, it doesn't matter who you're parents are, everyone can become the next albert einstein, rohl dahl" etc (without telling us that it takes alot of hard work/luck etc.) I think thats why Feron thinks he could smoke pot, take things easy and still be remembered for generations to come. Its not an attack or anything, I'm just trying to use an example of people having (unrealistically?) high expectations about what they can achieve.
I guess you could smoke alot of pot and get in the guiness book of records and be remembered that way. There would be alot of competition though.
My primary school teacher was so stupid. He said to us once, "we're all making history right now", so we should be happy. Like he'd just realised that the future turned into the past. Fuck. I tried saying theres a difference between what happened in the past and significant events that get into history books, but as usual, stupid hippy teachers don't listen.
Post by: Rox on August 30, 2007, 08:34:19 am
well if you were a crack whore, you would be providing a service satisfying people. You would also be hlping the crack economy which helps people make a living and not stinge of the governemt and thus taxes. so yeah they would make the world a better palce by you paying less tax and getting sucked off for a fair price...
i wanna do something with my life that people will remember me by, at least for a couple of generations or something...
Well, you could become a terrorist. That way you'd help out your fellow terrorists, dedicate your life to make the world a better place according to your beliefs and your leader, by destroying everything that doesn't agree with you.
Yeah, by being a crack whore (I like that expression!) you'd provide a service that goes against everything else we've built up in today's society. You'd also be messing up many other people's lives. You might end up a criminal, picking pockets, robbing people, destroying life for those around you EXCEPT for the lucky dude who makes a fortune getting people addicted on drugs, then selling them for higher and higher prices. The most important part of life is friends, or people who are close to you in general, the ones who are affected by your presence. If you're a crack whore, you may still have friends, but they'd all sit around wishing you hadn't gone that way, wishing you could stop being a criminal junkie with no free will and go back to being an actual friend. You'd pollute the lives of people who knew you. It would definitely not be a better place for them.
I, too, want to be remembered. Maybe not for several generations, but when I die I want to leave some kind of impression. If I get into the video games industry I could do that. Even if I was just one of many artists in a team and no one would see my name, I'd know people would enjoy something I'd made and remember it for years to come. I also try my best to help people who seem to need help. So far, that's pretty much only happened online, but damn is the Internet an angsty place or what? I think I've already prevented one or two suicide attempts. I feel pretty good about that.
Post by: Feron on August 30, 2007, 12:03:01 pm
hell if you want to believe your life isnt predetermined Xion, go for it. Its just my beliefs and theres nothing you could do to prove an argument for or against it.
Post by: Helm on August 30, 2007, 12:20:42 pm
It's pretty rude to theoretically talk about eventuality in such a way that robs real human drama of its impact, like "yeah, crack whore, I'll be part of a system that makes people happy!" and it just paints you as inconsiderate and inexperienced in life. A 17 year old that smokes pot and gets drunk at parties.
Post by: The B.O.B. on August 30, 2007, 01:14:01 pm
It's pretty rude to theoretically talk about eventuality in such a way that robs real human drama of its impact, like "yeah, crack whore, I'll be part of a system that makes people happy!" and it just paints you as inconsiderate and inexperienced in life. A 17 year old that smokes pot and gets drunk at parties.
"Oh noes! I sense some oncoming hostility, with a helping of passive aggressive behavior. Better lighten the mood with some ole time tap dancing, and some Charlie Chaplin-like antics (I think we need a wiggly mustache smiley...). Quick! Play me a quick jingle Tommy, ma' boy!"
Seriously, though, this whole pre-determined/determined destiny argument is an argument that no one is going to win. I feel it best that it should be dropped before black eyes, and purple nurples ensue. On a lighter note, I'm gettin' my internet connection at my new residence. That means no more web surfing while I'm work! "YYEEEAAAAAHHHHH, BOOOOYYYY!!!"
Post by: leroy on August 30, 2007, 01:15:29 pm
Post by: Feron on August 30, 2007, 02:47:48 pm
From one point and onward you're just saying things for the sake of it. You have no realistic concept of what a 'crack whore' is, it's just your cool example to talk about.you're right that exactly what is was, AN EXAMPLE!
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You have probably, very little to no exposure to how absolutely freakin' terrible life can be, so from your vantage point 'whatever will come will come'. Sure, because the range of things to come in your mind is very limited. Life can go really south, and once that happens I'd really like you to come back to this forum and tell us that your dying and miserable, but you'll let that run its course because the destiny is written in the stars.You want me to be dying? well thats a nice thought. no i dont really have much "life experience" but yes i do believe wateva will come will come. that just what i believe, and i don't see why you can't just accept that mine and you beliefs are different.
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It's pretty rude to theoretically talk about eventuality in such a way that robs real human drama of its impact, like "yeah, crack whore, I'll be part of a system that makes people happy!" and it just paints you as inconsiderate and inexperienced in life. A 17 year old that smokes pot and gets drunk at parties.Rude, wtf, this whole conversation was hypothetical. i havent robbed anyone of anything. Whats wrong with talking theoretically, theory is what has driven the progession of science and therefore mankind. Yeah you can generalise me as a teenager who does that shit, but to be honest you don't really the other half me, the interlectual half of me, the half that has dreams of getting a PhD in maths.
Post by: Helm on August 30, 2007, 02:50:49 pm
From one point and onward you're just saying things for the sake of it. You have no realistic concept of what a 'crack whore' is, it's just your cool example to talk about.you're right that exactly what is was, AN EXAMPLE![/quote]
I think it was an inconsiderate example.
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well thats a nice thought. no i dont really have much "life experience" but yes i do believe wateva will come will come. that just what i believe, and i don't see why you can't just accept that mine and you beliefs are different.
Alright. Wateva will come will come.
[/quote]Rude, wtf, this whole conversation was hypothetical. i havent robbed anyone of anything. Whats wrong with talking theoretically, theory is what has driven the progession of science and therefore mankind. Yeah you can generalise me as a teenager who does that shit, but to be honest you don't really the other half me, the interlectual half of me, the half that has dreams of getting a PhD in maths.[/quote]
You should keep in mind that the side of you that has dreams above 'wateva will come will come' should be more careful with substance abuse.
Post by: Doppleganger on August 30, 2007, 03:41:06 pm
Sometime earlier this week, for the second time in my life, a derivative of opiates has laid to rest a friend. Fortunately this friend was more of a rarely seen acquaintance than a friend. The first instance, however, was a very close friend. This death toll doesn't count the numerous people I've known who have, more or less, rendered their lives useless because of their addiction to opiates. We are of course talking about predominantly heroin and oxycontin here.
There is a lot of uninformed talk about drugs going on here so I thought I would bring to light my own thoughts on it. As a person who has both experienced and witnessed the effects drugs can and can't have on an individual.
All drugs are inherently bad, just as anything that reprograms your body to act in an unnatural way would be bad. That's not to say they can't have a positive effect on a person. It all depends on what is being used, how it's being used, and how often it's being used.
Marijuana, for example, is one of the most harmless and potentially beneficial drugs. I happen to know a person, who is bi-polar and smokes to maintain a balance within themself. I was/am very close to this person and have seen them try counseling, prescripted medication, and many other methods to keep a level head and using marijuana as treatment proved to be far superior to the afore-mentioned. This person is extremely is insightful and knowledgeable of themself and could learn nothing from counseling that they didn't already know. Prescription medication just robbed them of all personality and turned them into a zombie. Interestingly enough, there are those who believe that smoking marijuana will turn you into a couch dwelling, video game playing, junkie. I believe that to be a serious misconception derived from what you were taught to believe. That's not to say people like that don't exist but, it might have more to do with their own personality and wants/needs than it does with marijuana.
Ecstasy, acid, and mushrooms fall into a more volatile category, although, they are not without their merits. These drugs have been portrayed in an extremely negative light, one of which I tend to disagree on. I do, however, believe that habitual or wreckless use of these substances is indeed a very bad thing. For those who think that ecstasy will turn you into some sex-craved fiend, or those who think that hallucinogens will have you fending off purple dinosaurs with a kitchen knife; let me tell you that is very far from the truth. As usual, there are exceptions but, it's those who wrecklessly or ignorantly do drugs for all the wrong reasons. To get to my point; these drugs have the ability to bring somebody to a different level of consciousness or perception and good things can come of it. I have seen ecstasy completely erase 16 years of self-esteem issues from a person in one night. Quite literally, this person was a brand new individual the next day and still to this day many years later. I've come to similar realizations and gained a broader, more intellectual view of the world from hallucinogens. I have also seen people become incredibly dependent on ecstasy, assumedly, for the purpose of being able to interact socially. A dependence on hallucinogens is much rarer.
Then there are those drugs which are just downright awful. Meth, cocaine, heroin, crack, all fall into this category. I've seen nothing come from these drugs besides death and death sentences. The idea that a party with marijuana is full of "easy" girls who will do anything for a smoke most likely refers to drugs such as these and not marijuana. These drugs are all highly addictive and depreciate the body both physically and mentally at a much higher rate than any of the other drugs out there. There's not much to expand on here, it's just the way it is.
I've never been fond of peoples ignorance to drugs so I thought I would bring to light what I've seen in the past decade of my life. I no longer choose to do drugs for recreational purposes, short of smoking marijuana, because I've gotten all that I can out of them. I wasn't always intelligent about using drugs and can look back at my life when I used them in a wreckless manner and can see why they are labeled as such bad things. Even if I could, I would never take those experiences back because I am a better person for them.
Post by: Sherman Gill on August 30, 2007, 06:05:56 pm
Seriously. He'd laugh when he farted and most of what he did all day was play videogames. Or just stare at a wall with his jaw hanging down for an hour.
Post by: The B.O.B. on August 30, 2007, 06:51:04 pm
Post by: big brother on August 30, 2007, 07:41:51 pm
Like most psychologically addicting things, weed can become a crutch. Some of my friends who smoke became potheads, and others not. I've also seen friends (who never touched the stuff) drop out of school or lose a job because they spent all their time playing Counterstrike or WoW. To me it seems more of matter of discipline and moderation than the actual pastime in question. Of course, the same can't be said for physically addictive substances (caffeine, heroin, etc).
Post by: Zach on August 30, 2007, 08:45:59 pm
I myself am a pothead... it has been a crutch just as much as it has been inspiring.
like BB said, it's just a matter of will power to not smoke every day and all day.
Post by: Helm on August 30, 2007, 08:59:47 pm
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Interestingly enough, there are those who believe that smoking marijuana will turn you into a couch dwelling, video game playing, junkie. I believe that to be a serious misconception derived from what you were taught to believe. That's not to say people like that don't exist but, it might have more to do with their own personality and wants/needs than it does with marijuana.
Having instant happyness just a joint away is a power I wouldn't even trust myself with. You don't become a couch dwelling junkie because THE DEVIL'S WEED made you do it, but because you might be a weak person with a highly dangerous shortcut to happiness.
In a similar manner, if we had a 'delete my life now' button on our desks with gave us a quick painless way out towards oblivion, a lot of people when they hit lows and depressions would be pressing like hell. That suicide is a more gruesome action than it is an impulse has saved many lives by people on the edge. This doesn't mean that that because they didn't have the button their life was better, but it means that the means were not readily available for an action in the midst of passion saved their life right there.
Similarly, a lot of people can't cope with their life and the first thing their hands do when they hit a bad situation is roll up a joint. This is a bad thing is all I'm saying. One should distance himself from artifical, easy means to happiness and instead focus on building a life that is deeply fulfilling.
Post by: OzBlueShoes on August 30, 2007, 09:25:27 pm
I don't care if my friends do it, or people I know do it, but it's just not for me.
I figure if I never drink or smoke weed, yeah, I'll never be high or drunk, but I'll never have a problem with it either.
Post by: am_pm on August 30, 2007, 09:35:20 pm
Post by: Helm on August 30, 2007, 09:44:58 pm
Post by: Feron on August 30, 2007, 09:51:19 pm
Have you ever smoked weed Helm?
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I've done a lot of things.
there's a politicians answer if ever i've seen one :P
Post by: big brother on August 30, 2007, 09:52:45 pm
Having instant happyness just a joint away is a power I wouldn't even trust myself with. You don't become a couch dwelling junkie because THE DEVIL'S WEED made you do it, but because you might be a weak person with a highly dangerous shortcut to happiness.
This is a good observation, but I wouldn't call it "instant happiness". You've probably been a "happy drunk" before, but that doesn't mean a few pints of Guinness become a shortcut to instantly make you happy (perhaps a bad example). More than anything, it's escapism. Some people become couch-dwelling potsmokers while others bury themselves in science fiction novels, roleplaying, or video games. You can let almost anything take over your life.
Post by: Helm on August 30, 2007, 09:56:05 pm
Big Brother, yes a lot of things can take up one's life, and there are 'addictive personalities' I guess but usually if your life is taken over by something that has an extreme effect on your biochemistry, you're screwed in ways that d&d will not screw you. You can be a computer came recluse for example, and eventually move away from it or whatnot. Being a dead-end dopesmoker from my life's experience is pretty much the rest of your life.
Post by: Feron on August 30, 2007, 10:11:15 pm
Feron, I'll indulge people with my life's story when they explain why they want to know more thorougly than with a single disembodied question.i was only joking, i couldn't care less about you life story, as long as you provide my eyes with some tasty artworks now and then..
Big Brother, yes a lot of things can take up one's life, and there are 'addictive personalities' I guess but usually if your life is taken over by something that has an extreme effect on your biochemistry, you're screwed in ways that d&d will not screw you. You can be a computer came recluse for example, and eventually move away from it or whatnot. Being a dead-end dopesmoker from my life's experience is pretty much the rest of your life.Hmmm, cannabis isnt an addictive drug though. i would have said WoW could be more addictive than weed. I don't see how you can segregate drugs from activites that give the same feelings for other individuals.. Yeah you get dead end dopesmokers but im pretty sure you get deadend gamers or guys who watch porn or other bums who do equally pointless things....
Post by: am_pm on August 30, 2007, 10:12:27 pm
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Post by: Rox on August 30, 2007, 11:34:16 pm
Like Space Giraffe on the 360. Holy damn, that game has brainwashed me. Everyone hates it at first, unless they've been closely in touch with the developer diaries and stuff. But within a couple of hours, to a couple of days, people just flip around and go "best game ever". And I almost agree. I agree it's the best thing of its kind. It's the ONLY thing of its kind. If you like to feel like an alien substance is taking over your brain and destroying it from inside - try Space Giraffe! Once you get the hang of it, you start LIVING in this crazy acid world, and you'll feel really out of place when you finally stop playing and go back to real life. Honestly, I bought it the second I finished playing the trial version. I don't even know WHY I bought it. It took me two days to figure out why I bought it, and now I'm glad I did. I just wish I had more time to spend on it, and less flatmates to freak out if I were to turn up the volume...
Post by: Jad on August 31, 2007, 04:34:41 pm
Post by: Rox on August 31, 2007, 07:04:22 pm
I can honestly say that I have never seen anything like Space Giraffe. In the most simplest sense, it's a Tempest clone turned on its head. But the way Jeff treats every single level makes it incredibly different. Some levels behave differently than others for no apparent reason. Some levels may have bullets that go ultra-fast, for just that one level. Just to force you to re-learn what the game is about over and over again. I've seen videos of one particular level that.. honestly, it doesn't seem like you can see anything at all. Either you start to learn to pick up patterns in the background, or you have to rely entirely on sound and feel to know what's going on.
Learning is probably the most important part of it. No one likes it at the first go unless they're already a Llamasoft fan, because you CAN'T figure out what the hell is going on. Once you understand that the game is about learning what to do, then you can start using that knowledge to either play safe and stay alive, or go for mad scores. Until a new trippy level shows up that seems like it's just trying to make your brain catch on fire. Then you have to learn what to do all over again.
Post by: sharprm on September 01, 2007, 08:22:44 am
Post by: .TakaM on September 01, 2007, 09:33:06 am
http://groupboard.com/
you can probably set up a private board where random people can't come in and give everything a penis
and I'm trying to record some footage of a snes game, screen capture programs like camtasia etc won't pick up the sound for some reason, there is a built in recorder, but the audio is very unsynchronized.
I'm thinking I could maybe find a program dedicated entirely to recording audio then put the video together with the audio, any suggestions?
Post by: Stwelin on September 01, 2007, 12:40:05 pm
Post by: ndchristie on September 01, 2007, 04:02:52 pm
Post by: Lawrence on September 01, 2007, 04:38:53 pm
Post by: ndchristie on September 01, 2007, 04:43:12 pm
Post by: Jad on September 01, 2007, 09:26:47 pm
... what's your point?
Promoting llamatron, one of the most mindfuckiest game of the good old generation :)
I think space giraffe is a lot more fucked up, but well, I wasn't trying to condradict your point but rather elaborate on it.
Like this: It is true that you have never experienced anything like this, and this is good
and there's where I come in like
"YEAH AND THE GOOD THING IS THAT LLAMASOFT HAS MADE MORE GOOD STUFF LIKE THIS!!!11 :D"
because llamatron is available for free download and stuff and it's a piece of my childhood that I wanna promote.
My point being a little of all that. :]
Post by: Rox on September 01, 2007, 10:11:55 pm
It sounded kinda like "it's not different, this thing is equally different even though it's a different thing!" which made no sense at all to me. I guess I'll check it out, then, seeing as how I've played a total of three of his crazy games now anyway. I played one of the C64 games when I was younger, then Gridrunner++ closely followed by Space Giraffe.
In fact, I'm drawing something in Yak's honor. Hope I can bother to finish it...
Post by: Lawrence on September 02, 2007, 10:15:43 pm
I remember having trouble getting audacity to record away from a microphone though?
On the mixer tool bar there's a drop down box where you can select the input as being: Microphone, Line In, CD Audio, Video, Aux or Stereo Mix. The stereo mix option would be the one TakaM would want.
And also, is it just me who gets a little bit annoyed when people end non-question sentences with question marks? It seems like a written manifestation of the annoying rising intonation some people constantly do (no offence). :n:
Post by: Dusty on September 03, 2007, 04:22:57 am
Post by: .TakaM on September 03, 2007, 06:16:33 am
In other news, the other day I went to the doctor, I've been getting this pain in my legs after walking for about 20 minutes, I've had it for the last year or so, but it's progressively gotten worse and I can't really just ignore it.
I figured my blood wasn't circulating that well, because my legs can go to sleep pretty easily, and since it feels like my legs are swelling up I figured the blood was just building up pressure.
Well, my doc thinks I've got "Chronic Compartment Syndrome" where my muscles in my calves aren't separated properly and if this is the case I'll probably have to get surgery, had to take a blood test also..
So that sucks :P
Post by: MoD on September 03, 2007, 01:38:04 pm
Post by: Dusty on September 03, 2007, 06:54:18 pm
Best part about surgery? Morphine!
Post by: Feron on September 03, 2007, 10:48:01 pm
i feel kinda lucky now....
Post by: Jericho on September 03, 2007, 11:17:08 pm
Post by: Xion on September 03, 2007, 11:50:25 pm
I still kick and scream when getting shots, though, so it's kinda pitiful...and dangerous. (Read: 17 yr old fit young male kicking nurses, takes 3+mom to restrain.) Who knows what I'm capable of when blood is added to the mix >:D
...I'm so pitiful. :(
Post by: Jericho on September 04, 2007, 12:08:45 am
Feron: High-five for untouched blood!
I still kick and scream when getting shots, though, so it's kinda pitiful...and dangerous. (Read: 17 yr old fit young male kicking nurses, takes 3+mom to restrain.) Who knows what I'm capable of when blood is added to the mix >:D
...I'm so pitiful. :(
it's ok, i'm 21 and i won't let anyone come near me with a needle unless it's intent is to pierce rather than take something out or put something in xD
Post by: OzBlueShoes on September 04, 2007, 12:38:07 am
Post by: ndchristie on September 04, 2007, 12:43:15 am
and yeah the ? was there because I was wondering what your experience was, whether it matched my own, and whether you still recommended audacity for such a task. A simple punctuation mark is far easier than writing out a number of questions based on information already provided :P.
Oz - yeah, i prefer to have a camera that floats around the character so that he moves around a bit rather than staying with him. Feel more organic and has better flow, plus it exaggerates motion more when the camera "can't keep pace." Of course, there are games that suck at this detached motion and have even more problems, mostly with not showing you enemies or worse, not letting you see anything (tenchu!)
Post by: Feron on September 04, 2007, 10:49:20 am
feron you've never had any blood work done?
nope, i've been to hospital twice since i was born (thats 17 years), once for torn ankle ligaments and once for stiches when i gashed open my knee :blind:
never had any blood removed from my body, except in fights and sport and various other accidents..
Post by: ptoing on September 04, 2007, 11:36:17 am
When I had my sinus-operation in April I had to give a bloodtest and they gave me anti-thrombosis jabs in my leg for like 4 days after the operation because I was in bed a lot and did not move much. Also I had a canula in my left hand so I could get antibiotics without being jabbed all the time. Wheee, fun times.
Post by: Dusty on September 04, 2007, 12:19:11 pm
That always makes me cringe when they do it in the movies.
Post by: .TakaM on September 04, 2007, 12:58:22 pm
a few years ago I had a liver virus and had to take blood tests every few days for a couple weeks, the hassle of having to go to the clinic every few days was more annoying than than the needles, I never got used for some kid learning where the vein is, infact they never missed the vein.
only thing that sucked was my arms started to feel pretty dead for quite a while after each test
Post by: Rox on September 04, 2007, 04:38:29 pm
Quote from: Jack O'Neill
I hope you like Guinness, sir. It's a perfect substitute for... food.
Well done TV and Helm.
Post by: Fingerfoods on September 04, 2007, 06:45:49 pm
Wow. I'm in the middle of watching Stargate SG-1 reruns and eating dinner.
Eeeh, I'm not a big Stargate fan myself. I'm more of a Firefly fan. And I only saw two episodes. :P
Soooo...who else is hyped about The Golden Compass? :D
Post by: Lawrence on September 05, 2007, 12:21:38 am
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j62/drain-body-confirmed/gfxerror.gif)
Does anyone know a solution?
Post by: Mr.Modem on September 05, 2007, 02:35:34 pm
I can't get grafx2 to run at 1024x768. I keep getting this:
Does anyone know a solution?
Solution: Pro Motion? :P
But seriously, are you running the dos version of Grafx2? If so, why not try run the windows version instead?
You could also try running the Dos version using Dosbox
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/ (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/)
Post by: Frychiko on September 05, 2007, 03:14:18 pm
Come on guys, needles are harmless.
When I had my sinus-operation in April I had to give a bloodtest and they gave me anti-thrombosis jabs in my leg for like 4 days after the operation because I was in bed a lot and did not move much. Also I had a canula in my left hand so I could get antibiotics without being jabbed all the time. Wheee, fun times.
Speaking of needles, I had a needle jabbed right up my nose a few years ago and boy was it a stinger!
Post by: Helm on September 05, 2007, 07:53:10 pm
bengoshia:
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Helm, honestly, what do you want from me?
To be careful, considerate and contained.
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Like I've said, you mods freak out whenever theres even a hint of ripping, I'm surprised you didn't jump right on this topic about that, to be quite honest(Woo, internet, serious business).
The only part I could tell was a direct lift was the right arm. And given that this person said it was a direct inspiration (from a sprite in a thread sitting right there, with the sprite creator saying he doesn't mind, right there), he did not break any rules. Now, I don't believe such a method leads to learning art (and Adarias told the dude much the same if I remember correctly) but that's not an issue of ripping things.
You kept asserting that this is a rip where the situation was clear as day. This is why you were warned to drop it.
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so really, why am I the one getting bagged on for this?
Because you insisted. You're not a moderator, let the moderators do their jobs. Try to help people, not accuse them. When people accuse someone of ripping rightly, there's no fuss because they are right. You have to be right. If you're wrong you apologize and try to help.
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Like with Jad, your comment was completely unnecessary and your own team of mods have been harsher with less evidence(Nothing compared to my so-called "cries").
The mods are right in their calls a lot of the time. Many years, sharp eyes.
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Mods have been wrong aswell, for instance, remember the KOF rip no one noticed until the guy posted it a second time and someone finally noticed, don't even think it was a mod
You mean not noticing something is the same as a bad call? It's not. We can't be everywhere. If someone is dead-certain of a clear rip they should let it be known. They shouldn't rush to anything as accusing people of things hurts feelings.
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(You also deleted our comments, feeling like you had to have the final say with your corny post, forgot what it was, but it was pretty corny, thats another story though, if you wanna talk about that, we'll do so in the OT board).
I don't care what you think is corny, and I delete off-topic comments all the time.
Listen, I am not your father so I won't lecture you, but you seem to be overdramatizing things. Take it easy.
Post by: Jad on September 05, 2007, 08:16:06 pm
I WAS thinking of just reporting your post, but then I thought it would be kind of sneaky. Otherwise, when I think I'm spotting rips or something like it, I simply report the post. I just wanted to make clear that I'd like to see a little more goodwill.
It wasn't so much an accusation directed towards you as it was just me expressing my feelings.
Sorry for any bad feelings though.
Post by: .TakaM on September 05, 2007, 08:24:07 pm
oh god, the worst place I've ever been jabbed was just my gums at the dentist, and that's pretty standard.. it felt like the needle went completely through my gums, hard to tell though since they were already pretty numb..Come on guys, needles are harmless.
When I had my sinus-operation in April I had to give a bloodtest and they gave me anti-thrombosis jabs in my leg for like 4 days after the operation because I was in bed a lot and did not move much. Also I had a canula in my left hand so I could get antibiotics without being jabbed all the time. Wheee, fun times.
Speaking of needles, I had a needle jabbed right up my nose a few years ago and boy was it a stinger!
I finally finished twilight princess last night.. (finally as in I "finally" got around to actually playing the game)
I feel like I left the theatre after a bad movie, it seems alright when you're watching with your friends, but when you leave you can't stop talking about how bad it was and you want your money back.
I wouldn't say it was that bad, but it really wasn't impressive.. the only stuff I liked was some of the character designs, and lake hylia..
the whole game feels like fan service to me, just a empty copy of Ocarina of Time (which was a copy of aLTTP, but atleast 3D made it feel new)
everything just feels out of balance because it feels like they threw in so much just to please fans, but they ended up polishing nothing, even the boomerang is pretty much worthless after the first dungeon, then stuff like the spinner could have been really awesome if it was better utilized...
playing TP, all I can see is potential, which is a real shame..
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interesting:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/102434.html
Post by: bengo on September 05, 2007, 11:27:39 pm
Jad: Internet = srsly serious business, MUST REPORT... FOR SOMEONE SPEAKING THEIR MIND.... OVER THE INTERNET. Kind of makes me question on how you think about idk my bff jill and the freedom of speech, but whatever. I'm cool with you if you're cool with me.
oh god, the worst place I've ever been jabbed was just my gums at the dentist, and that's pretty standard.. it felt like the needle went completely through my gums, hard to tell though since they were already pretty numb..Hah, I just had that today, didn't feel a thing, you're too paranoid about needles man.
Post by: Dusty on September 05, 2007, 11:37:40 pm
Post by: Lawrence on September 05, 2007, 11:52:17 pm
Post by: .TakaM on September 06, 2007, 12:23:22 am
I'm not really paranoid, I've probably been jabbed in the gums a dozen times, but that one time, it really felt like it went through to the inside of my mouth- up against my tongue ???oh god, the worst place I've ever been jabbed was just my gums at the dentist, and that's pretty standard.. it felt like the needle went completely through my gums, hard to tell though since they were already pretty numb..Hah, I just had that today, didn't feel a thing, you're too paranoid about needles man.
how bout sum character desing?
(http://www.ffta2.com/dl/lusso_l.jpg)chains.. elbow shields, pizza slice sword... ... :crazy:
Post by: Dusty on September 06, 2007, 12:26:41 am
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Didn't he suggest a general anesthetic?Couldn't, he already drugged me up enough, was scared of over-dosing.
Post by: bengo on September 06, 2007, 12:56:15 am
how bout sum character desing?I love motivational posters!
(http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1205/characterdesignru1.png)
chains.. elbow shields, pizza slice sword... ... :crazy:
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5821/brolymotivxy9.jpg)
Post by: ndchristie on September 06, 2007, 02:01:48 am
Seriously, if rules of design are meant to be broken, than this is the most appropriate design ever. otherwise it's garbage >.<
I don't think it's too out-of-line to say "should this be here?" Posting in an area with certain assumptions are made about the origins of a piece should be moderated to ensure that those assumptions are true - there are other places to post ripped garbage.
the thing about sab's pieces is that it was totally chill, he mentioned my work in the first post, and he had my implied (and by now, expressed) permission to go at it. no need for a fuss? there's a little bit of inquisitorial "explain yourself immediately!" that could possibly be avoided by just asking around first.
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 03:40:03 am
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 06, 2007, 03:50:18 am
Post by: ndchristie on September 06, 2007, 04:03:35 am
If you can't see the design flaws immediately, i suggest you read a few more books or ask a fashion student. I'm not going to give an in-depth critique of something posted in general discourse by an artist I will never speak to, but watch it with your "you all are unfounded" nonsense.
a few things off the top of my head
the same massive legs characteristic of nearly all their work
vague color cohesion - the green doesn't draw from the blue, nor the red from the yellow, and the repetition is sparse and unbalanced. Red hat wtf? where is THAT justified? Also, a green clover pin does not balance a massive green mess of fabric.
little cohesion of forms - "circle" doesn't cut it as a motif, and the rest of things don't even try to agree. there's frayed with clean cut, tight with loose, open with hemmed, and none of them in ways that complement each other. If you are going to include dichotomies within a character they have to support each other, not conflict!* Disjointedness leads to disaster!
massive imbalance of accessories creates visual weight and awkwardness. there's playfully overbalanced and then there's painfully overbalanced, and this one clearly reaches into painful.
* except in a small number of cases where conflict defines the character, HOWEVER all character designs are much better when they promote the idea of a single identity tormented or otherwise. Characters with visual conflicts will always suffer from having multiple identities.
edit - I'm also confused as to where you ever got the idea of race as a leading factor. There is a lot of garbage in western art that simply isn't popular. The fact that bad anime is constantly over-hyped is the only reason it has a tendency to be taken down a peg. Anyone who blindly praises western artists is in for it too, and always has been. If such were the topic of conversation, we could start some very big flame sessions of popular artists, as well as some very wide debates over others.
Post by: bengo on September 06, 2007, 07:37:42 am
(http://playstation3.files.wordpress.com/2005/12/cloud.jpg)
Simple, yet, we know him, when we see him we know thats Cloud(Or take any other character from the game), characters looked different and god dammit man, you could tell one from another. Christ man, Cloud had a huge sword, but this new dork's sword is humongous, hell, he has two swords, a spell book and he looks totally unfit to even carry this shit and he's wearing high heels for christ's sake. Cloud probably carried a small bag of materia with some potions and ethers aswell and then his giant sword, that actually looked possible to carry but this kid, what the hell? With this kid, you gotta imagine he'll be running around and fighting hell loads(He's like, what? 11?), these characters seem to get younger and younger and tend to carry more shit.
Post by: Sherman Gill on September 06, 2007, 08:14:24 am
Post by: Froli on September 06, 2007, 10:38:44 am
Post by: bengo on September 06, 2007, 01:04:06 pm
At the time I was tired while writing it, seriously who cares? They're words, calm down, while yeah it was pointless, was tired, etc. It's unbelievable on how offended you guys get here sometimes, we're not five year olds here, we can handle it.
Post by: Froli on September 06, 2007, 01:51:48 pm
Post by: huZba on September 06, 2007, 02:29:21 pm
Check out the FFTA2 site and you'll see the other characters are much easier on the eye and also that the load of accessories is pretty much a mark of a main character. The whole visual side seems to be in really good shape too, i like it enough to spark an interest in the upcoming game, even though i don't like tactics type games that much.
Fashion shows in RPGs FTW btw :y:, they have their place even though all games don't excecute it in the best possible manner.
Post by: Feron on September 06, 2007, 02:48:58 pm
we're not five year olds here, we can handle it.
Well i know some of us aren't, :hehe:
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 04:36:08 pm
My reasons are very founded in any case, thanks for presuming :P. If you want to discuss them sure.
Post by: Feron on September 06, 2007, 04:48:02 pm
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 05:01:43 pm
Post by: Fingerfoods on September 06, 2007, 05:05:45 pm
anime is sure as hell overrated, but there a lot out there thats actually quite good imo.
That's like saying that sci-fi or fantasy is overrated; there are good shows in any genre. That, and every genre is flooded with more bad than good anyway. We've got all kinds of shit on the Sci-fi channel, but we also have Doctor Who and Firefly; likewise, we have fifteen thousand Dragon Ball Zs, but we also have Paranoia Agent and Death Note.
I know you said that there are some good ones, but calling a genre 'overrated' is just too broad.
But, yes, we need less Yu-Gi-Oh! and Dragon Ball getting the attention. On a side note, large hairstyles don't bother me much, but Cloud looks simply horrid outside Advent Children, in which he was actually in some freakish way almost normal.
Post by: Rawsushi on September 06, 2007, 07:08:55 pm
There's good anime; it exists. I love Ghibli fiilms, but that's because it's quality is so far above and beyond typical anime, it's in a class all it's own. It's almost like comparing an episode of Scooby Doo with, say, Disney's Jungle Book. Oh man... and BAD anime art? I can't think of anything more painful to look at. Don't get me wrong; I watch some anime series. Hell, I have a shelf on my bookshelf dedicated to the stuff. Some of the stories are great, but the art is always laughably bad.
Seriously, what's worse than a bad/generic anime? Anime imitators. (See TOTALLY SPIES for a lesson in ultimate suffering.) If you really want to see the effect anime has had on the art world, visit DeviantArt sometime.
If only the artform wasn't so formulaic, maybe then there'd be less immitating.
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail57.html
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 07:15:04 pm
Post by: ndchristie on September 06, 2007, 07:16:43 pm
not all good characters are from a different time either. marche, despite his shockingly rendered behind, actually has a strong level of cohesion and adheres to design fundamentals. other characters in the new game do well, though a lot of them appear to have been cut in half (cohesion strong within lower body and upper body, but each region seemingly takes from separate characters). FFXII showcased a strange combination of exquisitely designed if emotionless characters (balthier, basch, possibly penelo although her outfit does not fit the rest of the game, and the judges, and even fran, though her design was less pleasing it was well constructed) and terribly designed characters (vaan, ashe, anyone of royalty, etc).
in a rush but there's always more to list
americanime is commercial garbage at it's worst, producing cheap knockoffs of cheap knockoffs and overmarketing it. what ever happened to the good shows?
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 07:21:51 pm
Do the marketing teams think that young people can only connect with emotional cripples? If so, that's an awesome self-fulfilling prophecy.
Insert 'OMG U SUCK, MAN, FF7 WAS THE MOUST TOUGNGH LOEV STORY EVER I KRIED WHEN AERIS DIED!1' replies here
Post by: huZba on September 06, 2007, 07:52:55 pm
Final Fantasy works for me.Still I didn't play FFTA too far for the reasons described, felt soulless and empty.
Final Fantasy is an awesome series though, helm obviously tries to tune in on the wrong frequency and can't enjoy it, but what gives, it's not for everyone, i don't like every single game in the series either. Just watched the over 2hour final fantasy retrospective on gametrailers.com and it reminded how great it is.
Maybe you could try and study what's a reality for a whole lot of people other than you to understand new things. Tune your brain.
Post by: .TakaM on September 06, 2007, 08:16:56 pm
but yeah, I couldn't stand watching it, everything was so weird, such little silence between sentences, then they'd show the water crashing up against some rocks for 30 seconds, and they'd always have the camera pan out to ridiculous lengths during seemingly epic conversations..
I really can't remember how I fooled myself into loving the show
I've never really gotten into Final Fantasy games, but from what I have played, all the characters seem rather standard stock, but they are presented in such flamboyantly unique designs that you're expected to look past it..
and when I say unique, I mean they're just wearing so much bizarre crap that it's mathematically implausible that another character would ever look the same.
That character I posted on the last page, if you took away everything except the overalls and regular sword, and maybe gave him a more unique face (if I bothered, I bet I could find that face on a thousand other characters) - he wouldn't look half bad.
I think it goes without saying, but the best character designs are simple in that, even if you draw them badly, people can still recognize them..
draw that FFTA2 character badly and it will probably look like a christmas tree
Post by: Blick on September 06, 2007, 08:38:54 pm
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 09:04:03 pm
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Maybe you could try and study what's a reality for a whole lot of people other than you to understand new things. Tune your brain.
It's difficult to forget your own experiences that have enriched your life so you can connect with 10 year olds that have never kissed a girl just so you can see how the final fantasy stock storyline is evocative and meaninful to them. In fact besides it being an excercise in frustration, I would also be learning nothing more than efficient methods to sell things to kids, which certainly isn't my job as I am not a marketer. I think more people should be more honest about what they think would make good gaming for them and design that instead of pandering to the tried-and-true lowest common denominator that is 10 year olds with a playstation.
I don't need to think like anybody else. Other people need to take the responsibility and create art that is meaninful to them and not just made according to a winning formula. This creates great-seller games that are formulaic, and is hurting the quality of games. Every final fantasy game that goes out and sells well is delaying the progress of this art form by 3 years or something. These games survive because we're uncritical about videogames. The only way I can understand that a person such as you says they can enjoy a FF game (as you're neither 10 nor devoid of experience, I hope) is that you've created a tolerance for them over the years, and are able to switch your critical capacity off while playing. Why is this a good thing to learn to do about videogames?!
I know, people gotta make a living, but that's not what we're discussing, here, is it? We're discussing intention and you are telling me I should intentionally try to think like people with fewer experiences or lesser intelligence, to feel empathy towards their empty lives and the vacant videogames they buy. Why? I know they exist, I know that they have their tastes, I have mine.
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 06, 2007, 09:54:49 pm
Anyway, I'm not personally a fan of animé, but I more so have personal favorite artists. Japanese-wise, I dig Ayami Kojima, and I know he gets a lot of flack, but I really admire Yoshitaka Amano for more or less always doing his own thing. That's an artist that you KNOW very liberally designs whatever description of a character is given to him. I think it was this peculiar characteristic that ultimately had him booted from being the main Final Fantasy artist. Square needed someone that would more easily design characters that fit their bill, and characters that could be easily consumable by the masses, characters that we've already described as always looking cool, no matter what was going on. In the process, there was a loss of a unique art style once brought to Final Fantasy, and what I like to think was a loss of softness, beauty and imagination.
And wow Helm I totally agree with you. And I was in that same position you just described. Around 10 or so and my main dish was Final Fantasy VI. I thought it was amazing cause it dealt with issues, that at the time, I had no idea about. Love, war, family, tolerance, and so on. As I've gotten older, maybe just grumpier, but I find I am extremely critical of games. Whenever I encounter something in a game that I find odd or displeases me, I always wonder, why is this so? What could be done to make this better? Why was nothing done in the first place? And I guess the obvious answer is because the general gaming population doesn't care, or doesn't acknowledge those things I find problematic to be as such. I don't even play games for storylines anymore, since these things have not evolved in the least bit. At this age, I could write a better story, about things that are either central issues to me, or ideas that have yet to be touched upon by shallow videogame storylines.
Post by: AdamAtomic on September 06, 2007, 10:00:56 pm
I mean, critique is always important, and never more so than in the public marketplace, where single game releases can change the entire industry overnight (GTA III for example). However, if you can only enjoy perfect games, you're missing out on a lot of great stuff! Every game makes mistakes, but I believe there is almost always some little thing to be learned from most any game, and especially from games that are up in that top 10% of the year's releases brackets. Heck there are even positive aspects to frat-boy DM-fests like Halo (not many, but they're there).
I guess what I'm trying to say is it is fine to find a game's every fault, but I usually learn more by trying to find what games do right. In that regard, I think its a mistake to simply discard Final Fantasy as a franchise. Does a lot of the internet give virtual blow jobs to everything FF on a regular basis? Yes. Does this automatically deprive the series of any value? I don't think so, but maybe there is a piece of the puzzle that I am missing. Does the internet art community need a strong anti-anime voice? Probably. But I would think that a strong pro-good-art voice would be enough? I mean wouldn't that preclude bad anime by default? I dunno...back to procrastinating!
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 06, 2007, 10:04:13 pm
@Helm: Liek oH my Gawdz, U Remind mE soo much of Snape, from Harry Potter(what with the angry-toned, stern mentor, and all...)
But seriously, I guess I'm like these other supposed pretentious stiff nosed, artists who don't like Anime, or new generation gameplay direction(in terms of visual Aesthetics...). I find the Final Fantasy stuff ok, it's just that they take it too damn far sometimes. Not to mention the androgynous nature of some male designs...seriously, stop it. Hopefully, I'm alone in this confused department, else future generations of feeble minds will grow flabbergasted over what gender they are, and what goes where. Understandably, every kid has his right to imagination, and kooky designs. If anything, I'm definitely all for that. But then we start leaning toward a more wider, mature audience, thus asking for more sex appeal for more sales. I'm not one of those, "stop sex and violence in videogames, IT KILLS JEEBUS', and makes baby kittens cry tears of his sacrificed blood!!". I just have to admit, it creates a strange gray area, for child like designs, mixed with adult themes. Psychologically, this may cause a shorter gap and transition between childhood, and adulthood, which may lead to some unhealthy results. I also have issues with other non-anime-ish games, like newer Soul Calibur games. What's going on with the freaking designs? The vibrancy of it is killing me. Damn near, all the females of the game HAVE THE SAME FACE AND BODY STRUCTURE, but different clothes and colored hair. I think designers really need to look at humans and see if they can achieve separation, and differentiation through the simplest means of design, AND THEN work on outer design, like clothing, and accessories(I think this might be a product of frequently honoring similar designs by habit).
This is not to say that Eastern artists are horrible. By any means, this is so freaking untrue. Different strokes for different folks, ya' know. I still enjoy some anime-ish art, just not as much as some hardcore gamers who take it as seriously, and all of a sudden lead a j-rock lifestyle(blegh...).
However, my opinion on this subject is most likely prone to be countered hard, as my gaming has been decreased to an extreme minimum ( mostly due to this very issue, marketing, and the failure to create something different or groundbreaking away from the norm.).In other words, I'm probably just talking out of my ass...
@TakaM: I...HATE...that....show. I swear, there's always some dramatic pause in DBZ, during some ridiculously long, 2 episode battle, where one or more characters are looking surprised or shocked with their mouth open and grunting. They always frickin' grunt during the strangest, silent moments. But yeah...hate that f****** show, and the fan art it produces...(that's right, I'm a hater.)
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 06, 2007, 10:08:29 pm
The best example of what you described (a flawed, though enjoyable game) from my experience is Xenosaga. The creators here were actually in it to tell a story. One that was much too epic and expansive to be allowed by the budget allotted to them by Namco. In the end, the storyline was butchered, and the games slap-dash. However, it was still enjoyable, the basic themes and ideas that the original writers and creators wanted to express were still there, however raped and severed they may have been.
Post by: Helm on September 06, 2007, 10:23:33 pm
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I guess what I'm trying to say is it is fine to find a game's every fault, but I usually learn more by trying to find what games do right.
No. The intentional 'faults' must be underlined, brought to light and shoved in their face. Lack of vision, tired aesthetic, bullshit writing, nintendo logic endlessly self-propagating titled series of the same thing. The gamer must not be considered a brainless 'I'll play anything with a recognisable brand name on it' sheep. But for this to happen, they'd have to stop being such first.
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Hopefully, I'm alone in this confused department, else future generations of feeble minds will grow flabbergasted over what gender they are, and what goes where.
This has been a very conscious decision by the ones doing it, and it's all about marketing and target audience maximisation.
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Damn near, all the females of the game HAVE THE SAME FACE AND BODY STRUCTURE,
Behold the face of the future and despair: 3d anime!
Post by: Fingerfoods on September 06, 2007, 10:39:07 pm
Anime really doesn't bother me; when it's done correctly, it usually looks quite nice (Ghibli!). However, there's a lot of Tsubasa Reservoir (probably the most painful show I've ever laid eyes upon). There are a number of great-looking anime out there, though. You just have to dig.
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 06, 2007, 10:46:17 pm
So while what you're asking is admirable, it's not going to happen. Perhaps, if the graphical war had stopped at say SNES or Playstation, it would be possible, since graphical mastery would have reached its peak, as well as costs being easily managable, and programming deciphered and having become recognizable.
Post by: ndchristie on September 06, 2007, 11:02:26 pm
I wish there was a show or animated film which, like some of the old movies from the 30's and 40's, PAY ATTENTION to what people can and cannot do. chase scenes in which people can only jump a few short feet, or where jumping out a window breaks legs, or where the actor actually spends 100% of his time carrying his possessions rather than merely producing them at the opportune moment. Haversacks and canteens are needed for simple day-trips, the inability to carry a 8r0d5w0rd in their pocket is a real issue, etc. I don't want to watch the characters piss, but it would be so much better if they had more human and less superhuman qualities about them.
there was an old animated film about a ronin that did exactly this; lovingly illustrated every aspect of the traveler's life, and the life of a warrior. I wish i could remember the title? Does anyone else remember this? The hero had no name and there were areas that contained scene after scene without dialogue, just his daily activities set to traditional music.
As far as analysis, i go first with the impact of a piece, is it good or is it bad, then look for a few things.
What about this piece makes it good and how could those qualities better be amplified?
where does the piece fall short and how could those aspects be fixed or removed?
OR
what about this piece makes it bad and how could those be fixed or removed?
what are the good aspects of a bad design which can be salvaged?
In the case of FFTA2, i see it and think bad, so that is where the harsh criticism comes from first, and the redeeming qualities (there are a few) come later. If i like a piece, it's praises will be sung first, it's flaws found later.
sonic : If you really think that a person is living their entire live by picking apart every little detail so that there is nothing left but rules based purely on the fact that they put together a rough critique of a piece they didn't like, you are generalizing in an extremely negative manner. It seems in your eyes I've gone from being racist and unfounded to being hopelessly obsessed with technique and rules. I think that you need to actually get to know a person before voicing such judgments because you're so far off your mark it's not even funny anymore.
Post by: Fingerfoods on September 06, 2007, 11:47:27 pm
I wish there was a show or animated film which, like some of the old movies from the 30's and 40's, PAY ATTENTION to what people can and cannot do. chase scenes in which people can only jump a few short feet, or where jumping out a window breaks legs, or where the actor actually spends 100% of his time carrying his possessions rather than merely producing them at the opportune moment. Haversacks and canteens are needed for simple day-trips, the inability to carry a 8r0d5w0rd in their pocket is a real issue, etc. I don't want to watch the characters piss, but it would be so much better if they had more human and less superhuman qualities about them.
In something like, say, Naruto? I agree. People often leave craters in various stone/wood objects and quickly pick themselves up and continue fighting. Bleach is something else, though. Bleach is much more superhero. It's got a whole 'I'm so badass I can cut buildings apart' that isn't half as painful as most anime make it; that show has some serious punk attitude, which makes the enormous-sword-toting pretty cool in comparison to Cloud who may or may not be male. Such scenes have completely ruined the series of late, though. When they were more infrequent, the series was awesome.
Oh, and FMA had very little filler; even the side episodes like the Lust/Lujon romance still served a purpose - namely, fleshing out the thinner characters.
Anyway.
Post by: Helm on September 07, 2007, 12:07:20 am
if you're 10.
Which is okay, anime for 10 year olds is okay. Where's the anime for 30 year olds? And there is some. Where's the video-gaming for 30 year olds? I am closer to 30 than to 10 nowdays, I can't relate to OMGAWESOME.
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sonic : If you really think that a person is living their entire live by picking apart every little detail so that there is nothing left but rules based purely on the fact that they put together a rough critique of a piece they didn't like, you are generalizing in an extremely negative manner. It seems in your eyes I've gone from being racist and unfounded to being hopelessly obsessed with technique and rules. I think that you need to actually get to know a person before voicing such judgments because you're so far off your mark it's not even funny anymore.
what does this refer to that sonic said? I do not see a relevant quote.
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 12:12:01 am
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I think students, specically, who concentrate too much on the technical aspect of their craft get caught in a trap of overanalyzing and criticizing everything to death, without looking at the larger picture, and ignoring the nitty-gritty details for just once. In the end, it will make you a better artist, but not all art is created equal, and not all art is created for the same use. If you continually break down any piece of art, all will, at least at a very specific fundamental level, have some sort of error or design flaw.
there's nothing wrong with the statement except that it is rather misdirected in my opinion.
as far as the 10 year old storylines, I agree, it would be nice to have mature themes (in a literary sense) addressed on a more regular basis (and not just the run-of-the-mill "shock of death" and "who am I and what is my purpose?" conflicts, I mean really fleshed out storylines that take on complicated issues the way great films do.)
Post by: Faceless on September 07, 2007, 12:18:12 am
The Cowboy Bebop movie isn't too far off what you want.
The villain is borderline superhuman, but everyone else has to get by on being ordinary.
Attention to detail is pretty high too.
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1AO1xaEts&mode=related&search=
Here's the first few minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYkRA0W6K_M
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 12:37:23 am
Post by: Helm on September 07, 2007, 12:40:58 am
Post by: bengo on September 07, 2007, 12:45:54 am
Post by: Dusty on September 07, 2007, 01:06:49 am
I did like FMA, for its story and as a anime, I personally thought it had great production value. It was also mildly short compared to other anime's so I didn't have to dedicate years of my life to watching it(on cable).
And I could have sworn I posted just before...
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 02:05:31 am
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Post by: bengo on September 07, 2007, 02:09:32 am
Post by: Faceless on September 07, 2007, 02:15:12 am
Varies in quality quite a lot. Loved the fight scene in the rain with the blind girl.
Dunno why they changed the style so drastically for it though... it looked much nicer before.
The Cowboy Bebop series is a bit lacking at times as well, but there are a few gems in there.
Last couple of episodes were brilliant, as was the 1st and 3rd (I think), but there were a lot of unecessary episodes that featured ridiculous plots too.
The animation in Mezzo Forte is quite nice too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8wum1C5b9w
It's completely over the top though; much like a kung-fu movie. Might be a turn off, might not.
They also made a series entitled Mezzo that features the same characters, and has pretty nice animation up until the midway point at which it went down the toilet for reasons unknown to me.
I believe Kite is similarly well animated (made by the same guy) but has a better plot. Haven't seen it though, so can't verify.
Miyazaki's movies are always fun, although I think his plots are becoming too abstract.
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 02:39:41 am
The animation does look good though :P
Post by: Froli on September 07, 2007, 04:41:56 am
The opinions about anime is right on the spot, and I'm quite grateful that this board gave me a direction to pursue realistic drawings, human anatomy/figures, gestures, and build up my basics to strengthen my knowledge. My question now is, when is the appropriate time to apply manga/anime art style? For example, If you create a japanese style rpg sprite that is cute and deformed like Adarias current project, would it really match realistic human portraits to represent your characters? How would you guys approach it if given a chance to work on it?
And holy crap, what in the hell is that character design posted by Takam? That's just wrong
Post by: Dusty on September 07, 2007, 06:34:16 am
My memory of old pixelation is quite vague... but there's always been a question I've had about it. Everyone knows the whole dancing banana thing(Peanut butter jelly time!), and I remember a long, long time ago someone posted(or had it as their avatar, I can't remember), the pixelated dancing banana animation. Any of the old people remember if it started(drawn) by a pixelation member, or just some people spreading an already famous fad?
Post by: Lawrence on September 07, 2007, 07:05:00 am
Post by: Dusty on September 07, 2007, 07:32:42 am
:P So did he create the whole dancing banana trend or was he just following it? His animation was the first time I ever saw it, so I was never sure, and I didn't get around much on the internet back then.
If so, kudos to SplatPixel!
Post by: Fingerfoods on September 07, 2007, 09:42:51 am
as far as the 10 year old storylines, I agree, it would be nice to have mature themes (in a literary sense) addressed on a more regular basis (and not just the run-of-the-mill "shock of death" and "who am I and what is my purpose?" conflicts, I mean really fleshed out storylines that take on complicated issues the way great films do.)
Eek. That sounds like Wolf's Rain. :P The ending was completely horrible.
As a side note, my dad watches Bleach. And I'm not the bastard child of a ten-year-old.
Bleach is pretty much my only Shounen anime, besides FMA.
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 07, 2007, 11:02:02 am
In more OT chatter: Do we really need both the letter "k" and "c"? Why not one or the other? I think there was once talk of abandoning one of the letters, but I forgot which articles they were. I'm sure they were bull-crap, though. And isn't it mind blowing, that humans can only make sounds associated with the alphabet? The first time I realized this, I felt so...limited.
Post by: robalan on September 07, 2007, 01:38:28 pm
... humans can only make sounds associated with the alphabet ...This statement is only vaguely true. German has several more vowels than English, and Chinese has a bunch more consonants (some of which I have trouble pronouncing, but that's a matter of practice). There are lots of sounds that the English alphabet does not cover, and I'm sure there are other sounds that aren't covered in any alphabet. The human voice is an amazing instrument, and can produce more sounds than you may think ;)
Post by: Ai on September 07, 2007, 02:41:31 pm
'Content Aware Image Resizing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qadw0BRKeMk
Extremely cool; One of the reasons I say this is it shrinks the picture by removing seams -- there is no decimation, so no intermediate colors are added, and this method tends to discern the important features of the image rather well. It breaks for some images that are just too 'full' already.
It seems to perform decently on pixel art, certainly well enough to save time. I chose some of the 'overworld' art from Flink and Lionheart as a stress test cause it's so detailed, and I must say it is pretty good even then at keeping the relevant detail and discarding the rest. (I did my tests using Carlo Baldassi's implementation of CAIR for Gimp (http://web.tiscali.it/carlobaldassi/))
You should be aware that the more you shrink it, the more it's liable to effect the composition; after all, it works by gradually removing the 'insignificant spaces' in the picture.
My tests so far suggest that it's most useful for aspect ratio changes -- for example, resizing a wallpaper made for a laptop's wide screen to be suitable for a classic 4:3 display.
I haven't tried it for upscaling yet.... (update) have now. Doesn't appear very useful at all; maybe only for sparse photographs, not art.
EDIT: Probably it's best application is in texturing, to maximize the amount of 'meaningful' texture so the texture can be smaller.
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 02:54:51 pm
English is one of the more foolish alphabets in that it includes several letter that make identical sounds and contains several letters responsible for multiple sounds. There are any number of sounds that are not represented by our consonants, as well as a number of non-sounds (c,", etc)
Post by: Faceless on September 07, 2007, 03:00:39 pm
@Dusty: I believe splat was just following the ongoing trend. Where the fork is that guy, any way? He hardly ever visits us anymore.
In more OT chatter: Do we really need both the letter "k" and "c"? Why not one or the other? I think there was once talk of abandoning one of the letters, but I forgot which articles they were. I'm sure they were bull-crap, though. And isn't it mind blowing, that humans can only make sounds associated with the alphabet? The first time I realized this, I felt so...limited.
Yes, we do need them.
K always makes a hard sound whereas C does not always.
Cake vs. Cace. You would pronounce the second "case".
There's also the "Ch" sound.
I find it extremely unlikely that there was any talk of removing one of those letters. For starters, nobody has the authority to do that, and second it's totally impracticle.
Post by: The B.O.B. on September 07, 2007, 03:08:38 pm
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 03:29:00 pm
there are all sorts of humms and whirrs that sound nothing like those noises, or indeed any sorts of letter.
a crane pulling on a load of clanging metal sounds nothing like letters.
"beep beep" can just as easily be heard "doik doik" or any other combination of letters if you listen for it, and therefor is not bound to any particular sound that our brain recognizes.
You may be the type of learner who immediately cognizes sounds as letters, but i don't think that means that all humans percieve things as such.
Post by: huZba on September 07, 2007, 04:06:43 pm
It's difficult to forget your own experiences that have enriched your life so you can connect with 10 year olds that have never kissed a girl just so you can see how the final fantasy stock storyline is evocative and meaninful to them.I don't mean you should engage in regressive activity. I don't need to connect with 10 year olds to enjoy the same things they do. I don't want or need you to do anything you dislike of course, it's up to you, just suggested something i find enjoyable and i enjoy numerous things. Do refrain from defining people by their likes and dislikes though. Someone is possessive obsessive, 10 year old and bad with girls for liking FF7? That's a childish way of thinking imo.
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I think more people should be more honest about what they think would make good gaming for them and design that instead of pandering to the tried-and-true lowest common denominator that is 10 year olds with a playstation.True, it just happens to be that FF part of my good gaming. There's a great many things to take home from the series. If something i like also broadens the audience, my my that's a good vessel to bring something new to the table. Use a piece of a common denominator to deliver something i fancy but don't find in these new games.
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Other people need to take the responsibility and create art that is meaninful to them and not just made according to a winning formula. This creates great-seller games that are formulaic, and is hurting the quality of games. Every final fantasy game that goes out and sells well is delaying the progress of this art form by 3 years or something. These games survive because we're uncritical about videogamesParts of the winning formula are certainly meaningful to me.
Want progress, better quality? Throw a stick in the gears not by playing the games you hate and bitching to the fans about how shit their favorite thing is, but rather take what you know and create something better. If others are doing bad on purpose it shouldn't be too hard. I'm not going for the you do better argument, but rather that it is possible for you to at least try. I know plenty of people and gaming companies that do their own thing and easily stay alive.
Want better entertainment? Engage in better entertainment rather than checking out what 10 year olds play and go on a rampage to make the 10 year olds game better for you. "Holy HELL I HATE PUDDING, What the hell are they thinking of when making pudding, they should make Tryffels with chocolate sauce on top, christ! all you pudding lovers are unintelligent"
There are insane amounts of tryffels out there, go and play them.
Don't feel like it? Stop playing games and do something more fun like take a bicycle ride around a lake and reflect on simple things that make your day better.. I'm perplexed that you play so many games just to hate them to bits fully knowing you'll end up hating them. But hey, if that rocks your boat, have fun.
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The only way I can understand that a person such as you says they can enjoy a FF game (as you're neither 10 nor devoid of experience, I hope) is that you've created a tolerance for them over the years, and are able to switch your critical capacity off while playing.Just settle with not understanding me.
Sometimes simple themes and worlds can be the best fun to be had. Stuff like Bleach,Naruto and One piece, all inspired by DBZ.
Some just don't GET it, simple as that and there's nothing wrong with it.
Some enjoy a bottle of guinnes and grilled sausage while watching golf, which doesn't sound like a deep and engaging activity, yet it has the potential to be just that.
@Takam
DBZ can create the most amazing adrenaline rush if you can find the hook. It's the simplest of stories on one of our basic needs, which is to become greater, stronger and ascend to the next level. The show has ridicilous stretching, no real story and shaky animation, but it doesn't stop it from being awesome for me. You shouldn't feel like an idiot about it either... sounds like social pressure is getting the better of you. When working out to physically train for military service, i used to watch DBZ music videos or movies for kicks, and the kicks were fantastic. Eventually i got a near perfect score from a strength test only officers and a few beefcakes above me. Oh good times... i'm as strong as a macaroni now though :hehe:
@Sonic Reaper
Yess, xenosaga, awesome, though suffers from being broken as a game, yet a game is the best way to convey that particular story. EP3 was the most intact piece, yet it's hard to enjoy if you didn't play the two previous games. Kind of suicidal way of putting together the saga, but they did take it to an ending of some kind. Every string was pulled to keep it alive, but eventually it wasn't enough, but they did try their best without a doubt.
Post by: Helm on September 07, 2007, 07:28:09 pm
I don't mean you should engage in regressive activity. I don't need to connect with 10 year olds to enjoy the same things they do. I don't want or need you to do anything you dislike of course, it's up to you, just suggested something i find enjoyable and i enjoy numerous things. Do refrain from defining people by their likes and dislikes though. Someone is possessive obsessive, 10 year old and bad with girls for liking FF7? That's a childish way of thinking imo.
There are many reasons for liking something, but we should look at the social trends and not the exceptions first when we're talking about game design. I do say that most people that find a ff storyline engaging do so because they simply have not experienced something better yet. This is an effect that is carefully calculated and encouraged by big-time game designers. Don't make a game too good, we'll spoil our players!
The graphics race is on, because it sells video cards and such, but we've been able to have a different race, one for good storytelling and good gameplay for the longest time, and the big companies are not in that race. Because that race is not based on technology people buy, but standard skills and concepts that have existed for many years. It takes TALENT and UNDERSTANDING to make a good game. Those aren't in endless supply, and they cannot be upgraded two years from now by buying a new talent card.
Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's not generally hurtful to gaming and shouldn't be seen and critiqued openly as such. Final Fantasy games hurt gaming.
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Parts of the winning formula are certainly meaningful to me.
For me too.
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Want progress, better quality? Throw a stick in the gears not by playing the games you hate
I don't actually play a game once I've played it to the point where I know I hate it. I drop games like babies all the time. I have no time to lose. But I do play, try to understand them and keep the relevant concepts in my head because game design is probably more interesting than game playing nowdays for me.
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and bitching to the fans about how shit their favorite thing is, but rather take what you know and create something better.
'Bitching' to people about wrong things is a social obligation.
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If others are doing bad on purpose it shouldn't be too hard. I'm not going for the you do better argument, but rather that it is possible for you to at least try. I know plenty of people and gaming companies that do their own thing and easily stay alive.
It is extremely easy to make a game with a better story than Final Fantasy #whatever. It is not however, as easy to have better graphics than it, or music, or presentation. Beause that's where they throw their money and that's what they're trained their audience to go for. Don't you see a self-fulfilling prophecy going on somewhere in there? In the end, who is to blame?
This industry is sick. Good games happen because people go against the grain in a huge way to make them happen, don't you forget it.
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Want better entertainment? Engage in better entertainment rather than checking out what 10 year olds play and go on a rampage to make the 10 year olds game better for you.
I am not trying to make a for 10 year olds game better. You are misunderstanding my perspective of the situation. 10 year olds playing final fantasy is fine (well, not 'fine', but it's a different discussion) but when 30 year olds are so strongly conditioned to shit gaming that they play final fantasy games when they're 30 then we have a cause-and-effect chain here. WHERE ARE THE GAMES FOR 30 YEAR OLDS? They're not making them. If they can keep the player's critical capacity to 10-year-old-level by simply not providing any alterantives forever, they will. Gaming isn't an 'art', it's a product!
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 07, 2007, 07:35:13 pm
Like I've said before I've stopped playing games for storylines so very long ago. After a certain point/age I think many people (if they've explored the world beyond shoddy and poor videogame storytelling) start to write their own storylines, either on paper, or in their head, that far exceeds anything they've recently experienced in videogaming. At least ideas and concepts will live on. Games are packed full of interesting themes, even if the writer of said game was unaware of them or they just happened to come about as consequence.
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Post by: .TakaM on September 07, 2007, 08:57:25 pm
Movies, I've grown to hate movies that seem to set telling a story as their priority, and love the hell out of movies that focus on the characters and atmosphere.
Same for games, I don't give a damn about the story, I want to feel like I'm experiencing whatever story there is through the gameplay and atmosphere.
of course, I still enjoy a good story, but it's not the reason I'll watch a movie or play a game
Post by: Darien on September 07, 2007, 09:04:54 pm
I'm sure they were bull-crap, though. And isn't it mind blowing, that humans can only make sounds associated with the alphabet? The first time I realized this, I felt so...limited.
I'd say it's the other way around: humans only create alphabets for the sounds they use.
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Pretty much, when I want a story, I'll read a book.
I never understood this segregation. When I read a book, I want strong story, characters, and atmosphere. When I watch a movie, I want strong story, characters, and atmosphere. When I play a game, I want strong story, characters, atmosphere AND gameplay.
I never separate characters from story, either, it seems to me most good stories are character driven.
Taka, can you give me some examples of movies that focus on characters rather than story, and vice versa? I'm not sure what types of movies you mean.
Post by: .TakaM on September 07, 2007, 09:33:46 pm
But for the different mediums, I just think they should have different priorities.
I play games for gameplay, watch movies for atmosphere, and read books for stories.
I don't mean to come off that I don't appreciate a good story in a movie etc, I certainly do appreciate it, but I just prefer a movie that engrosses me through the atmosphere.
I would probably say Dazed and Confused is my favourite example of the atmosphere, minimal insignificant story, just character interaction and atmosphere
Post by: Darien on September 07, 2007, 10:01:52 pm
I'm not sure if I consider Dazed and Confused as a non story movie or just one with several smaller stories, though I see what you mean. Though to be honest I'd have to see it again. Lost in Translation, if I'm remembering correctly, isn't really a story movie either. In either case they still have threads of stories, even if the emphasis isn't on them, and they are stronger threads than what we usually see in video games, I think.
Post by: ndchristie on September 07, 2007, 10:10:42 pm
A good game to look at too is kingdom hearts; all of the characters are designed to fit their kiddy, stereotyped roles perfectly and attractively. The FFTA2 kid is just plain broken.
Square is a company that began with games that contained absolutely no emotional content (early FF and seiken densetsu), moved through a period where emotions and complex topics were occasionally engaged (FFT, FF6, 8, Bahamut Lagoon), and then went back to their gradeschool entertainment (ff9, 10, 12, FFTA, KH). However, even at their best, most of the characters were 2-dimensional and NEVER showed real emotions aside from confusion and stoicism (which are interesting but they only go so far).
Konami did better with Suikoden II, a game which actually had engaging characters, but even so was by literary standards underdeveloped. One particular moment, killing Seed and Culgan, touched on the idea of the futility of war etc, but it is NOTHING compared to "I have killed the printer, Gerard Duval." Part of the problem i think is that videogames have only been around for a very small amount of time and have yet to be accepted as a venue for literature in the way that film, drama, or actual writing is. What is a videogame that makes it very different from a play with audience participation? Why are they not designed to the same standards that such productions are? Why do crappy games come out after about a year of production when amazing games could come out after 4 or 5 the way books do? The market is overly concerned with the "smash hit" and "hyped-up" products that it manages to take all the shamelessness of the television industry and mix it with the exclusiveness of the music industry. At best, they also have the cinematics of the movie industry and the excitement of sports, but where oh where is all the real art? (btw i know there are some games that fulfill the art concept exquisitely, im not talking about the number of fantastic games that are produced each year, but the industry as a whole)
I can also understand how many things do not fit into the game concept. The Cider House Rules would nto be a videogame, nor would citizen cane, but what about, say, shakespeare? any of his plays could be made into RPG, Rhythm, Adventure, or other things without losing sight of the mastery with which they were written. Hell, half of the games out there are just mediocre comedies or tragedies, with the occasional epic.
whatever happened to games like parapa the rappa or grim fandango? why didn't psychonaughts revolutionize the industry? why do people still obsess over frigging WoW and Official Game of the Movies?
Post by: am_pm on September 07, 2007, 10:21:10 pm
I miss Parrapa the Rappa.
Post by: Darien on September 07, 2007, 10:45:05 pm
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What is a videogame that makes it very different from a play with audience participation?
As far as I know, those sorts of plays aren't treated seriously either.
You have a point about the youngness of videogames, and that's very interesting when we compare video games to television. Television shows have never been treated seriously until very recently, probably only starting with the Sopranos. (That's not to say that no shows were ever treated seriously before, but only that people began to think that television really was a valid artistic medium.)
Post by: ndchristie on September 08, 2007, 12:04:56 am
so all theatre up until the 1800's has never been taken seriously? I could have sworn there were a few guys that were pretty well respected prior to that....QuoteWhat is a videogame that makes it very different from a play with audience participation?As far as I know, those sorts of plays aren't treated seriously either.
it's a very modern thing to exclude the audience. ever since ancient times the actors have interacted with those in the audience, from the VIP's to the groundlings, until it was bastardized into modern performance where you sit in small seats and say nothing until it's over.
Post by: Darien on September 08, 2007, 12:27:36 am
Besides, for the longest time being an actor was considered only a small step above prostitution! It's also a very modern thing for theatre to be respected.
Post by: ndchristie on September 08, 2007, 12:58:53 am
if the modern institution is one that rebels against a traditional theatre, it is an institution which should be rallied against and protested. Last I checked though audience participation has become respected in it's own right as a form of artistic interest.
Spectacles of course never have and never will be respected. I'm not going to suggest that videogames become a vegas act...
Post by: Darien on September 08, 2007, 01:29:59 am
More liberal types of audience participation, such as choose-your-own-murder-mystery plays, are not very respected as a work of art (not necessarily entertainment), and rightly so, I think.
Post by: ndchristie on September 08, 2007, 02:41:49 am
i said a few times I was never speaking of these "choose your own ending" plays and im not sure why you keep insisting on them. of course they aren't respected! I'll never argue that they should be.
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i guess one of the stranger sides of the internet...
no don't add me to msn, because i wont lend you money!
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Post by: Frychiko on September 10, 2007, 01:28:54 pm
I don't speak English much these days and I can feel my English getting ever so slightly worse in certain situations haha (there were a few occassions where I forgot simple words or took a while to remember them like mandarin and tree sap, maybe it's just me), writing and reading seems fine though.
A couple of days ago I realised how limited all these cheap web hosting plans are, you know the $5-15 a month shared hosting plans.. they're fine for people who have static pages or get up to maybe 2000 or so uniques a day with some sort of scripting but having more than that, and you'll quickly go over the allocated resources given to you!
Post by: Arachne on September 10, 2007, 01:43:56 pm
A couple of days ago I realised how limited all these cheap web hosting plans are, you know the $5-15 a month shared hosting plans.. they're fine for people who have static pages or get up to maybe 2000 or so uniques a day with some sort of scripting but having more than that, and you'll quickly go over the allocated resources given to you!Maybe you haven't been looking hard enough. All my webhost's hosting plans allow for unlimited traffic. :hehe:
Post by: Helm on September 10, 2007, 02:34:44 pm
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I'm of the opinion that everyone in the world is bisexual conditioned to think that they have an actual preference, but that doesn't mean that internet solicitations and spam are fun
I think the natural state of a man is neither 'bisexual' or 'straight' or any other such signifier. These words, besides explaining one's sexual preference, also hold many secondary attributes that relate to how important they found them, how they classify themselves (which is very different a thing from what you're given to do) and generally what significance they attribute to sexuality in general. The human animal in its natural state really doesn't care about the semiotic facade of oversexuality the modern world has put on fucking, and I would say that if it were stressed out it would accept sexual activity with either gender or anything it is closeby. This isn't being 'bisexual', this is 'not caring'.
Post by: Frychiko on September 10, 2007, 02:50:00 pm
Some of my income comes from websites , so I can assure you I look hard enough. :)
A couple of days ago I realised how limited all these cheap web hosting plans are, you know the $5-15 a month shared hosting plans.. they're fine for people who have static pages or get up to maybe 2000 or so uniques a day with some sort of scripting but having more than that, and you'll quickly go over the allocated resources given to you!Maybe you haven't been looking hard enough. All my webhost's hosting plans allow for unlimited traffic. :hehe:
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 10, 2007, 02:55:54 pm
QuoteI'm of the opinion that everyone in the world is bisexual conditioned to think that they have an actual preference, but that doesn't mean that internet solicitations and spam are fun
I think the natural state of a man is neither 'bisexual' or 'straight' or any other such signifier. These words, besides explaining one's sexual preference, also hold many secondary attributes that relate to how important they found them, how they classify themselves (which is very different a thing from what you're given to do) and generally what significance they attribute to sexuality in general. The human animal in its natural state really doesn't care about the semiotic facade of oversexuality the modern world has put on fucking, and I would say that if it were stressed out it would accept sexual activity with either gender or anything it is closeby. This isn't being 'bisexual', this is 'not caring'.
In his natural state (care to define this? Lack of society and language?), man would definitely be alligned to a particular sex. The only difference here would be that since labels and prejudice do not exist, they may be more inclined to see both sides of the fence, so to speak, as being "natural", or as you put it, not caring (if they are hit on by the same sex or otherwise).
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Post by: ndchristie on September 10, 2007, 07:05:22 pm
there are some biological things working though; wild things all appear attracted to themselves above other things? More likely to explore with a fellow of either closest similarity (another of the same sex) or one that complements (one of the opposite gender) ?
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 10, 2007, 07:31:15 pm
We are not talking about structure, order and society, we are talking about the natural human sexual tendency.
Are you saying as a moderator we can't or that I am mistaken? But what I was talking about ties in directly with that. If you remove language, culture, self-awareness, and so on, man would still have a sexual attraction, heterosexual, homosexual or both. They simply wouldn't categorize themselves as such, which you and I've already touched on. And it's difficult to say with fact what you are stating, sincce this is something that would need to be observed. Man wouldn't discern or categorize and label the various methods of pleasure, however, he would certainly be alligned to a certain sex (an orientation or preference if you will, however, I try to avoid the latter word as it implies some sort of thought, reason and logic).
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why would he be so? One would not necessarily enjoy sex with A over sex with B in the same way that he would not necessarily enjoy food A to food B, and certainly enjoying one thing would not render his taste so that it was exclusive of others.
... what?
You don't seem to understand quite what I am saying. It would not be exclusive, however, there would certainly be an attraction to one particular sex (as I've noted, homosexual or heterosexual, or both). Without language, society, culture, and so on, people would have no way to classify themselves as a certain way, and there would thus be no prejudice, or discrimation against people considered different (as this concept would not even exist). But we're talking about a laissez-faire kind of world where anything goes making it difficult to theorize exactly what would happen.
Post by: Helm on September 10, 2007, 09:44:22 pm
Are you saying as a moderator we can't or that I am mistaken?
Yes you are mistaken! Why would I say what we can't and can talk about? I was underlining that the original topic was the natural human disposition towards sex, not the unnatural, societally programmed disposition towards sex. If you want to talk about the latter, initiate the conversation clearly about it, don't segue from A to B like that :)
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But what I was talking about ties in directly with that. If you remove language, culture, self-awareness, and so on, man would still have a sexual attraction, heterosexual, homosexual or both. They simply wouldn't categorize themselves as such, which you and I've already touched on. And it's difficult to say with fact what you are stating, sincce this is something that would need to be observed. Man wouldn't discern or categorize and label the various methods of pleasure, however, he would certainly be alligned to a certain sex (an orientation or preference if you will, however, I try to avoid the latter word as it implies some sort of thought, reason and logic).
I believe there is a heterosexual orientation in humankind, as with most species, yes, if that's what you're getting at. I started talking about this subject mostly out of resentment towards the 'humans are bisexual by nature' soundbite which I've found (as I've explained) presupposes much more than it explains.
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why would he be so? One would not necessarily enjoy sex with A over sex with B in the same way that he would not necessarily enjoy food A to food B, and certainly enjoying one thing would not render his taste so that it was exclusive of others.
Because we're here to make babies. Primary directives and all.
Post by: Rox on September 10, 2007, 10:06:05 pm
Here's what I think: All creatures are heterosexual, if such a requirement exists (some species are lucky enough that they can do anything with anyone and still have offspring). However, sexual PREFERENCE is a psychological thing. Anyone can turn from anything to anything else given the correct circumstances. That's the crazyness of the mind that I've come to learn pretty recently. The more you're exposed to something, the more you accept it, even if you don't want to accept it. It's like when you hear that stupid goddamn pop song on the radio over and over and it makes you want to poke your eardrums out, but later the same day you find yourself humming it. In a similar way, it is actually possible to suddenly find yourself accepting a preference or fetish or whatever, that you thought you hated by nature. Turns out it's not nature's call, it's psychology. I do believe that might be able to stretch as far as to the very basics of sexuality; whether you're into guys or gals. And, of course, if something happens at a very early age, it's more probable that it'll stick. It's pretty rare for someone to spontaneously flip directions mid-life. But I do believe it can happen, and maybe even by conscious choice, although it's not something I'd like to research further...
Anyway, discrimination? Hating gays? I touched upon that. If you let yourself, you become more tolerant of the concept the more you expose yourself to it. Many people are scared of things like that, though, and don't want to accept it because they think they hate it by nature. I've reacted like that to weird fetishes some of my online friends have been stupid enough to introduce me to. I don't mind them now. Part of me wishes I could go back to hating it, because it's THAT weird, but it's too late now. I accept that stuff. And the more stuff I find myself accepting, the less freaked out I am by any eventual other stuff that I haven't yet been exposed to. I guess that's how crazy fetishes grow... The more you're into them, the easier it is to accept even weirder stuff...
Anyway. I'd consider myself openly bisexual (feel free to disagree about the "open" part though), and I know I haven't always been. It's cute to think that people are born completely neutral, able to go any way right from the start, but I don't think that happens. It is, however, very easy to start to see ounces of truth in what other people say and think. Then, some time later, you suddenly find you've gradually come to accept the sexiness of people in general, even if they're the same gender as you. That's pretty much how it happened to me. I can't remember the first time I accepted what was going on, but I wasn't THAT young. It's quite possible it started much sooner than I can even remember, though... I dunno.
Anyway, living creatures are born with the correct settings to reproduce. Occationally, some animal will make some weird choice that doesn't help at all, but then it's probably just for the fun of it or.. whatever... god, I'm finding it harder to form coherent sentences the more I type... Time for sleep...
WARNING! While I was typing a new reply has been posted! ... Eh, I'll read that tomorrow.
[edit] Oh holy crap, text...! How do I type that much and not remember what I typed afterward?! ... Sleep time! [/edit]
Post by: ndchristie on September 10, 2007, 11:59:35 pm
i believe though that human being naturally enjoy sex nearly as much as they enjoy emotional intimacy and they'll find what of those they need from anywhere
I suppose though it's a little irrelevant to have spoken about man outside society as two people are required and two create almost as many issues as millions with regard to conformity and insecurity etc...
Post by: Helm on September 11, 2007, 12:08:04 am
Post by: .TakaM on September 11, 2007, 01:12:03 am
I think I will get one of these :)
Post by: am_pm on September 11, 2007, 01:23:20 am
Post by: CroM on September 11, 2007, 01:46:33 am
this is very promising, but the price is way too expensive
let`s hope they mass produce it
Post by: sharprm on September 11, 2007, 06:38:16 am
Post by: miascugh on September 11, 2007, 09:14:57 am
And on a completely irrelevant note, I find the etymology of Beowulf kinda cute. Literally it's bee-wolf, which is what bears were called (which is one thing I actually just found out via wikipedia, after two semesters of English literature and the history of English)
Post by: ndchristie on September 11, 2007, 12:16:14 pm
interesting idea for a movie, they would have to flesh out quite a bit and cut even more to make it entertaining tho ^^
Post by: .TakaM on September 12, 2007, 12:09:55 am
While I'm hardly an anime fan, I don't exactly hate the style, but I just sorta recalled one of the things I really really really hate about anime.
That weird phenomenon where anime characters eyes just magically disappear
(http://i7.tinypic.com/6fkdnoy.png)
not the best example, but I just skimmed through the only anime I have.
it's much worse where one eye should only be partly obscured by a little bit of hair, but they just don't even draw the eye, or when a character is doing the.. menacing limp body walking towdards you thing with their head down, they almost always just have a dark shadow covering where their eyes should be
Post by: Rydin on September 12, 2007, 12:23:56 am
http://www.judysuekushner.com/Artist.asp?ArtistID=1278&Akey=12345678 (http://www.judysuekushner.com/Artist.asp?ArtistID=1278&Akey=12345678)
::)
Post by: .TakaM on September 12, 2007, 12:24:56 am
Digital Fine Art:http://www.brettgraham.tk/
http://www.judysuekushner.com/Artist.asp?ArtistID=1278&Akey=12345678 (http://www.judysuekushner.com/Artist.asp?ArtistID=1278&Akey=12345678)
::)
I laughed pretty hard when I found his resume
Post by: Rydin on September 12, 2007, 12:39:36 am
Post by: Helm on September 12, 2007, 01:07:56 am
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One day, I gave up writing pop songs and almost immediately began painting.
Post by: bengo on September 12, 2007, 02:37:44 am
http://www.brettgraham.tk/What....... the hell........ was that?
I laughed pretty hard when I found his resume
Post by: Cow on September 12, 2007, 02:48:01 am
http://www.brettgraham.tk/Umm... is that serious? And, uhh, how did you find that?
I laughed pretty hard when I found his resume.
I like the pricing, "a six hundro" and "a thousands". :y:
Post by: .TakaM on September 12, 2007, 02:54:55 am
Post by: Faktablad on September 12, 2007, 03:14:34 am
Post by: AdamAtomic on September 12, 2007, 03:27:09 am
Fuck that guy. Dinosaurs are 11/10 and he knows it. Proof-positive that the site's a fake!
Unfuck him stat. Fruit Mystery is the best game I have ever played in my whole life.
I'm walkin on sunshine, whaaooooooh
Post by: Souly on September 12, 2007, 06:34:54 am
If you don't laugh at this kid, then your funny bone must be broken.
He's actually crying over Britney Spears...
Post by: bengo on September 12, 2007, 06:47:59 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBA0SKmQy8
Post by: sharprm on September 12, 2007, 07:41:34 am
My turn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBA0SKmQy8
I like this one better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9G2-bN1Br4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9G2-bN1Br4)
Post by: Souly on September 12, 2007, 09:47:03 am
I'm just a fedex guy.
Post by: huZba on September 12, 2007, 11:13:24 am
Post by: bengo on September 12, 2007, 12:49:02 pm
Post by: Opacus on September 12, 2007, 07:50:55 pm
And thats when the PS3 just lost more of its edge to the 360, soon it won't have any.Well with PS3's current game line up it can't stand up against the 360 anyway :\
Post by: Faktablad on September 12, 2007, 08:00:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)ROFL
If you don't laugh at this kid, then your funny bone must be broken.
He's actually crying over Britney Spears...
...and crying.
Post by: ndchristie on September 12, 2007, 08:54:42 pm
sad....i love playstation
Post by: bengo on September 12, 2007, 10:49:36 pm
I don't think Sony had planned this happening, Dreamcast dying off and two more consoles coming in about a year or so after its inital release and thus because of it being out longer, was able to have a larger game library, not only that but let's face it:
SCEA made great games(Sony's weapon for when times got rough), many game series started/continued out on the Playstation 2(Which usually implies the company will stick with the console, which was what happened, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, etc.) and the Playstation 2's controller was alot better than the other consoles' controllers and the Playstation 2's price point was great(Added many people already had a Playstation 2, so whats the point of buying a completely new system when you can just keep adding on to the one you have?)
I think Microsoft saw what happened to the Playstation 2 and I believe thats why they decided to release their console early, alot of the 360's fuckups were actually pretty small but were exploited a huge amount, they probably could have prevented this by releasing it later on but they saw their opportunity. Sony's plan for the Playstation 3 what I think was basically this(They probably planned this exact same thing out for the Playstation 2, but due to the events that happened, they ended up coming out on top):
Make the hardware top-notch, while of course this should be one of the top priorities on your list, you shouldn't have to have it so powerful that the price goes up(The hardware to me seems about the same as the 360's hardware, so why there's an extra $200 on the console is far beyond me, perhaps the 6-axis controller gimmick?), make the console itself look good-looking(By this I mean, it feels like it's a rich person's console, perhaps this was intentional so people would feel like the extra $200 would be worth it) and by just getting a bunch of really good looking flashy mediocre games together(Of course, there's also the games that will be "console-only" for the system so hard-core fans of series like Metal Gear Solid will have to get a Playstation 3).
Basically, the Playstation is all look and I have a feeling thats all it ever will be.
As for the Wii, I think the Wii is going down the same path as the Gamecube, all those 3rd-party games that were supposed to be amazing ended up being terrible or mediocre, while the 1st party games are great and the whole idea of how the gameplay works is a great idea, the game selection just isn't enough.
Post by: Lawrence on September 13, 2007, 12:07:40 am
As for the Wii, I think the Wii is going down the same path as the Gamecube, all those 3rd-party games that were supposed to be amazing ended up being terrible or mediocre, while the 1st party games are great and the whole idea of how the gameplay works is a great idea, the game selection just isn't enough.
But unlike the GameCube, the Wii is a market-expansion console, so I don't think that comparison is completely valid. You never saw elderly women playing GameCubes man.
Post by: sonic_reaper on September 13, 2007, 02:07:21 am
Also just want to add that I think the ps3 is ugly as hell. Looks like one of those beta machines from the 80's, with that lame grey line going through the center, and the strange dome top. We haven't seen domes in forever. Looks so dated. And it's actually pretty damn big and heavy. Honestly Sony just perplexes me with the ps3. What were they thinking? Did we really need a console that powerful, and thus, expensive ... ?
Post by: Rydin on September 13, 2007, 02:22:23 am
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You never saw elderly women playing GameCubes man.
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3443/grandmawa1.jpg)
edit:
I just noticed now that it's actually an xbox controller she's holding......ruins the whole point of posting it :ouch:
Post by: Froli on September 13, 2007, 04:12:47 am
Post by: huZba on September 13, 2007, 05:24:11 am
That said, i'd rather have Ninja Gaiden 2 for PS3 simply because it makes less noise compared to the jet-engine like 360. Plus my 360 is slowly dying... cheap ass parts to keep the cost low... as well as stripping it off useless stuff like WLAN and selling it as a $100 add-on. Clever yes, do i find it amusing? No, my wallet is angry at 360 for hiding the costs. Otherwise i fancy all the consoles and hope none of them drop out.
@Froli.
Seems like they released Lair unfinished and broken.. too bad. Going to give it a try anyhoo.
Tried thinking of a good excuse to post this picture, but couldn't come up with anything...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/huzba/reesaangaems.jpg)
Mah new toy...mmm....
Post by: Dusty on September 13, 2007, 06:09:38 am
Post by: Rox on September 13, 2007, 06:26:58 am
As for the current standings in the console wars, things are turning out exactly like I said they would. The 360 is in this generation what the PS2 was last generation. The semi-cheap one with inferior hardware but TONS of games, many of which are must-haves.
Only problem is, last generation the Xbox still had Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell and a few crazy awesome titles like that to make sure it could still compete. What does the PS3 have now to match what the Xbox had then? It's not looking good for Sony.
Post by: Conzeit on September 14, 2007, 12:46:36 pm
Post by: ptoing on September 14, 2007, 01:29:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ruSmFFdAY FUCKING BASTARD............. >=/
lol?
Post by: ndchristie on September 14, 2007, 03:21:26 pm
Post by: Feron on September 14, 2007, 06:32:05 pm
Post by: Cow on September 14, 2007, 10:07:20 pm
...degrading
Post by: Sherman Gill on September 14, 2007, 10:25:09 pm
...degradingGood 300th post :crazy:.
Post by: Cow on September 14, 2007, 10:40:48 pm
...
I should post more pixel art.
Post by: Sherman Gill on September 14, 2007, 10:55:21 pm
And yes, yes you should.
Post by: Rydin on September 15, 2007, 03:48:31 pm
Post by: Faktablad on September 15, 2007, 05:32:05 pm
I think its actually impossible to pixel in Pixen.......what am I supposed to do to pixel on this god-forsaken mac!?!??!!! :yell:Pixen is soooooo buggy on my comp.
Post by: Evil-Ville on September 15, 2007, 05:37:33 pm
Post by: Rydin on September 15, 2007, 06:17:54 pm
Post by: ndchristie on September 15, 2007, 06:39:56 pm
actually on that note, did you ever get it set up to work on or is it still just there for play?
Post by: Faktablad on September 15, 2007, 07:56:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqkDm9UoKo&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqkDm9UoKo&NR=1)
If you don't laugh at this kid, then your funny bone must be broken.
He's actually crying over Britney Spears...
Post by: .TakaM on September 16, 2007, 11:23:57 am
was gonna be my new avatar, but I completely forgot about filesize :P
what is the limit for avatars here anyways?
Post by: ptoing on September 16, 2007, 11:32:32 am
EDIT: Also, I am worked on moving pix for 12 hours straight now. Backing up the database several times, installing stuff on new server, adapting the template, getting zoom and nozoom to work and lots of other stupid stuff. AdamAtomic helped a lot but buggered off 4 hours ago. And the last 3 hours I been just sending notification emails iin bulk because all at once did not work. I prolly missed a few people, but whatever. Those who come here often enough will notice as there is a redirection at the old place.
Post by: .TakaM on September 16, 2007, 12:25:12 pm
but it's still 250kbs, is that okay?
Post by: Faceless on September 16, 2007, 08:33:31 pm
I expect to be completely broke when I return to the UK.
Post by: Faktablad on September 16, 2007, 09:13:56 pm
Wait, Faktablad, you're like infamous for using ms-paint colors in my book, and you're on a mac? :oMy personal computer is a Mac, but my family owns a PC. :D
Post by: Pan on September 16, 2007, 10:18:49 pm
Post by: eck on September 17, 2007, 12:50:42 am
I mean really. Is it to much to ask for a pixel editor to not jpeg stuff that you import?
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Post by: Rydin on September 17, 2007, 02:35:01 am
I was going to attempt to cope with Pixen, but the second I saw it couldn't even remember the colors I chose, I became a skeptic--if a program can't store 3 values--red, green, and blue--with out messing them up, that is really sad.
It didn't take long for me to start a search for an alternative when every color got fucked up after changing one color to another--damage I couldn't undo! :yell:
It's got a built-in feedback, so I typed up a big bug report and commenced to send, and I'm greeted by a nice error message.
-it sometimes can't undo things
-crashes always.....always
-closes windows when opening other ones....especially the palette window
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Post by: AdamAtomic on September 17, 2007, 02:43:25 am
Post by: So-lou on September 17, 2007, 03:44:27 am
Wow you guys are all still alive and going hard with the pixel art hey :o
Post by: ndchristie on September 17, 2007, 03:46:46 am
Post by: Rydin on September 17, 2007, 03:52:10 am