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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: infinity+1 on March 26, 2007, 02:21:28 pm

Title: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 26, 2007, 02:21:28 pm
Because pill-jackets are overrated...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedaooo1withcolnewest.png)
..well, the pants are obviously unfinished, and i'm having trouble.  i've never been the best with pants, so i was hoping to
get some helpful feedback on this one.
by all means, please give me some critique on this one.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Skull on March 26, 2007, 06:08:14 pm
Bloomin' awesome sweater. Looks great. I love hoe you've coloured it.

The pants, overall seem in good shape.I think defining the knee with fold would look good, keeping them rather darker.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 26, 2007, 11:16:00 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedaooo1withcolnewesthand.png)
i changed the bottom of the sweater a little bit, and i began working on the pants...
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Crazy Asian Gamer on March 26, 2007, 11:35:23 pm
like the texture on the wooly sweater. The collar doesn't read as well as the rest of the image though, I think it needs more separation from the first white stripe.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 27, 2007, 01:14:50 am
like the texture on the wooly sweater. The collar doesn't read as well as the rest of the image though, I think it needs more separation from the first white stripe.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedaooo1withcolnewesthand-1.png)
 :y: ?
also, i'm starting to think that after this one, i want to do one of Tetsuo, but i'm getting ahead of myself. ;)
edit: i did some work on the pants. tell me what you think.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedatetsuo.gif)
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Akira on March 27, 2007, 06:06:27 am
AKKIIIRAAA.

anyway.
his hands seem a little too close to his crotch. and the combination of that look on his face and the hands-on-crotch is interesting.
nice werk though.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: kakikukeko on March 27, 2007, 08:27:04 am
your last edit on the pants is very good IMO..
(I would sellout the sweater but that maybe personal taste...)
hurry up finish those shoes!  ;)
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 27, 2007, 05:01:37 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedatetsuo-1.gif)
i think i'm almost done with the pants. and i attempted to color the shoes, but i don't know if they are working for me...
also, i tried pulling the arm back a little bit... ;)
eh, bash me with constructive criticism
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Bisse on March 27, 2007, 05:22:13 pm
First thing I noticed is the collar, it should have more volume - a sweater isn't paper thin. I'd move it up a pixel or two.

The little white highlight pixels on the red parts of the sweater look wrong to me. At least the ones on the arm don't work for me.

There's a red stripe that looks like it gets cut off near the elbow.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 28, 2007, 04:30:18 am
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedatetsuo-2.gif)
First thing I noticed is the collar, it should have more volume - a sweater isn't paper thin. I'd move it up a pixel or two.
i'm not sure if you know this, but Kaneda wears a shirt underneath the sweater, and i was hoping that it would look like the collar is coming out from behind the sweater. either way, i did a small edit on the collar to try and seperate it a little bit more and bring it up a bit, as you suggested. and you were right about the red stripe, i totally missed it when doing one of my edits.
also, newer version of the pants, and i think i'm done with them, unless someone just absolutley hates them..
so...is this thing nearing 100% or what?
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Krizmo on March 28, 2007, 12:36:10 pm
Great improvement on the original, its always nice to see that.

I am loving the whole picture, except I would just think that on his left leg you would not be able to see his ankle? Or am I wrong there? That's just in contrast to the right leg, is all.
Apart from that, nothing seems too wrong or out of place to me, good work!
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 28, 2007, 03:49:42 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedatetsuo-4.gif)
ok. that's it. done.  :'( (tears of joy) a few minor edits. i'll probably be the only one who notices them, but oh well
I am loving the whole picture, except I would just think that on his left leg you would not be able to see his ankle? Or am I wrong there? That's just in contrast to the right leg, is all.
well, i made it so that the bottom of each pant leg lined up, and just drew in some ankles.  i wanted the cuffs to be a little high, so i guess i'm going to leave it like that.
anyway, thanks for all the help with this project, and now i'll go ahead and start on Tetsuo...
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Helm on March 29, 2007, 12:22:41 am
Are you sure this is finished? I see a lot you could do to make it better. You use 22 colors where you don't need more than 16. You had three colors that were just used for a few pixels each. If that's a sweater, why not dither it to give it a sweater texture? Your darkest shades were too close to black, both getting lost in it, and making a big jump from the darkness to the main shades, which is easy to fix. The knees were too high I think. The shoes were in a flat perspective that doesn't help this piece I feel. There's so much pixel-level aa and tweaking that would go a long way to make this much better. The colors could be made to work a bit better together, pull it closer a bit. Do you really need the black outline? In my edit I didn't use one but I don't think I'm losing any distinction or getting any blurry limbs or anything. On the pants, why not try the dithering tint thing, it gives it pleasant texture and hue variation.

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedatetsuo-4.gif) (http://www.locustleaves.com/kanedatetsuo-4.gif)
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 29, 2007, 02:37:52 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/newest.gif)latest edit:(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedaedited.gif)
taking pretty much all of the advice you gave, i've done a major overhaul with your edit as a reference. i'm still not done, obviously, but this was a big step forward.
i have to admit, this is the first time someone has made an edit of my work, and it was a little awkward feeling, but honestly, it made me learn to be a better pixel artist, so thanks.
oh yeah, i kept the knees a the same hight  :D
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Bisse on March 30, 2007, 02:36:45 pm
I liked your older one more. The new edit removed a lot of the contrast and personality. The new one just feels a lot more blurry and grey - his hair looks more greasy rather than shiny, and the way you removed the outline from the left arm makes it seem thinner and well, awkward.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 30, 2007, 03:04:52 pm
hmm..i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree   :)
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: ptoing on March 30, 2007, 03:09:05 pm
The knees are too high in yours as Helm stated. The upperleg bone is the longest bone in the human body. Like this he looks really odd to me.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on March 31, 2007, 02:11:33 am
well, if two people say its bothersome, then i'll take a shot at changing it:
new(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/lowknees.gif)old(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tinsleycurtis/kanedaedited.gif)
good? bad?
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Andy Tran on March 31, 2007, 08:48:02 am
 Great job man. Looks good. I agree with Helm on that one about the  sweater. A dithering can make the sweater look more sweaty :D. His left shoe is pillow shaded. It's alirhgt to leave in my opinion. You can change it if you like.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Sharm on March 31, 2007, 06:36:49 pm
The lower knees look much better.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Souly on April 01, 2007, 11:54:11 am
I don't like how his left leg has just a straight line.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: dragonrc on April 01, 2007, 07:21:03 pm
I was thinking the same thing

(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8173/kneecr1.gif)
hope it helps
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: infinity+1 on April 01, 2007, 08:25:53 pm
i don't know. i played around with a couple different ways of changing the straight line left leg, but they all looked awkward. i think your edit makes him look like he has a freaky, deformed super knee. especially compared to the other knee.
Title: Re: Sweater Kaneda
Post by: Turbo on April 05, 2007, 03:52:45 am
You could try lightening the leg's outline (even more than what you're already doing). Adarias gave an excellent explanation in http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=1514.msg18356#msg18356.

Not that you have to fix, that part isn't bothering me the least bit. Up to you :)