Pixelation
Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Potatoes on February 27, 2007, 04:24:08 am
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Linework isn't mine though I've tweaked it a bit. Everything else, I've done. Including remaking the match's fire and the cape. Even though I've not done the linework myself, I'd like some pointers, I don't really want to change it drastically, however.
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6363/firemakingbj0.png)
15 colors ATM.
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6616/firemakingfv3.png)
UPDATE
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8289/firemakingye3.png)
Newest as of 03/05/07
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8382/firemakingpa4.png)
03 06 07
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5904/firemakingbq3.png)
03 08 07
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4894/firemakingne4.png)
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99/99 firemaking anyone? ;)
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Does anyone have any c/c on this? I really want everyone's input on it.
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It's nearly impossible to give c/c about colouring before the background colours are established and the light sources are decided. Whether it's a day or a night scene makes all the difference. The hand holding the match is very long compared to the other hand.
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right now I really dislike the color selection on the pants in compairison to the skin color, maybe make the skin less saturated.. The pants are pillow shaded as well.
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I was just messing with the skin color before I saved it. That wasn't necessarily going to be the final color. Shortened the arm, going to figure out a light source and everything else before I post the update. Keep the C/c coming, though, I really appreciate it thus far.
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UPDATE
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6616/firemakingfv3.png)
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http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm
Also, just as a mental exercise, I think it could be useful to give yourself a short homework assignment before you continue with this piece. It's very easy! Find a photo of a sunny day outdoors. That's it! However, there is a catch. The grass must be (0,128,0) and the sky must be (0,255,255) and the sun must be (255,255,0). When you find that photo, post it here!
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OK, The pants are better, but still seem pillow shaded. And I dearly hope you do not intend to kepp the background colors the same as they are now. I still very much dislike the skin color with the rest of the peice, but that just may be me today...
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I'll guarantee you, right now that the sky WILL be blue. *checks sky* Yea, blue.
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I'll guarantee you, right now that the sky WILL be blue. *checks sky* Yea, blue.
Sure its blue, jsut not that retina burning cyan, thats not sky blue.
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The bg situation is pretty similar to the one in this (http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3423.0) other recent thread.
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Also, just as a mental exercise, I think it could be useful to give yourself a short homework assignment before you continue with this piece. It's very easy! Find a photo of a sunny day outdoors. That's it! However, there is a catch. The grass must be (0,128,0) and the sky must be (0,255,255) and the sun must be (255,255,0). When you find that photo, post it here!
We should play a game: the person who can come up with the most original way to tell people that the world doesn't look like this wins. Kidding. On a more general note (as I don't know which thread came first) read the forum and pay attention to crits people get and then when you look at your piece ask yourself whether any of those crits apply. I lurk here and I don't enjoy my retinas getting burned out repeatedly.
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I'll guarantee you, right now that the sky WILL be blue. *checks sky* Yea, blue.
Sure its blue, jsut not that retina burning cyan, thats not sky blue.
That was a joke, yeah, I'm going to change the sky, lol. That was just because I was tired of looking at the white. S:
BTW, update:
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8289/firemakingye3.png)
@JJ-I haven't even started on the background. I have put in colors and where my light will be, but that's all. Besides, my sun is in a normal position, at least.. :-\
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To be honest, if you're coloring the picture like you are, the sun should not be where it is. When the sun is that low in the sky, colors change. Admittedly, you can change the colors later, but you've drawn it thus far with a mid-day sun. Also, even if the sun were where it is, it's millions of miles away. All of the figures in your picture should be lit from behind, but you've shaded as though the sun were a lamp sitting between the people and the tree. Shading and nitpicky flaws are also present, but those can be addressed when the picture has some basic shapes solidly defined properly.
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(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8382/firemakingpa4.png)
UPDATE
Just playing around with dithering for the "smoke" although it doesn't look that good, C/c on that. Also, I've never tried doing leaves. Anyone have any help with that as well? :crazy:
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Just to note: despite the fact that the sun is now out of the frame, the tree with a face is shaded from the left while the rest is shaded from the right. Also, the shading on the characters' right legs (our left) look odd and pillow-y. You also probably want more contrast in most of your ramps. This piece has improved; keep it up.
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I think you should add the smoke when you're done with the bg, since if you do something transparent (with colors instead of dithering) you have to do it again if you change the background. The fold on the green shirt looks very strange, I would'nt use such a bright color for highlighting it. Also in my opinion the skindshades look too grey-brown.
Like robalan already said youve already made some good progress
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All I've done in this update is work on the guy w/the match's pants, changed a few of the pallette's, and cleaned up a bit here and there. Don't mind the shadows on the grass. I know they don't match up, so I'll work on them tomorrow, right now, I'm going to bed.
LMT (last minute thought) : I'm going to change the shadow on the far right tree to match the others. Thefore placing the sun in the somewhat upper right hand corner. That would make shadows a lot easier for me. And it'd probably make more sense.
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5904/firemakingbq3.png)
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Darken the sky. It shouldn't be baby blue?... That's the only crit I have. And that yellow cape thing, reminds me of RuneScape :huh:. I'm bored to death by RuneScape :n:.
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I'm not keeping the sky the color it is. I don't know why you think I will. This is a WIP, I haven't even started on the BG yet. And yeah, it's a RuneScape sig, so be bored all you want to.
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You really have to look at your anatomy. Arms aren't just cylinders for example. You also have to shade volume into your characters. Everything has a different light source, find your direction...
And the runescape sigs scare me. I've seen some of the worst art on the planet on the runescape forums.... I don't even play runescape, I just look at the forums to laugh with the horrible art :D
I'm sure that you will be able to raise the level of yours though. Just keep on working
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Just to clarify Gil's comment about "everything has a different light source":
The tree on the left is shaded with a single light from directly to the right. The face, neck and body of the guy in red are shaded with a light from the right. His left leg is pillow shaded, while his right leg is shaded with light from the right again. His shadow is crisp and dark, but cast directly downward, from a light source up above (his hair is shaded the same way). The guy in green has a similar affliction - however his shirt is shaded from the topright, rather than just the right. His hair has inverse pillow shading, while his legs suffer the same fate as the guy in red. He has a vertically cast shadow as well. The right-most tree, however, is shaded on the trunk from the left, but on the branches and leaves from above. I think the only light source that you haven't used is one from directly below.
Also, people continue to comment on the background colors because there is absolutely no indication that you intend to not use these pure MS Paint shades in the final product. The green in the grass can be found in the tree's leaves, and many of the tones used on your characters are massively over-saturated (except for their skin, which is ashen and dull). Folks will only assume that you will make massive improvements if there is some hint of that in the existing artwork. So please do not get snappy when people give you valid crits when there is every reason to expect that these crits will still apply even after detail is added. A majority of the responses have encouraged you to re-examine the fundamentals of this image, and you have done nothing of the sort - you've made minor superficial changes that do not address any of the real problems with this piece. You're wasting everyone's (including your own) time by continuing to post these miniscule updates that ignore everyone's feedback.
Continuing with this piece without addressing the massive fundamental errors in its construction is a waste of time; you are not learning anything, you are only continuing to practice bad art and bad design and bad color theory. A rough gem is worth a lot more than polished garbage.
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Like they said..learn the basics, before attempting as big as this.
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Actually, I thought I was improving on what everyone has said. First, let me clear a few things up about the suns location and in relation to what I've drawn. I have one light source, and I was trying to shade to that light source. The sun was supposed to be in the top-rightish, time around noon. I wrote in my post earlier that I would change the east tree's light source to make more sense. I understand that my updates haven't changed everything in the drawing, but I thought it'd be okay if I posted my updates daily. I'll work on this more tonight, and try to address what everyone one of ya'll are getting at.
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Well, I moved the sun and used that as a reference instead of my imagination. Warmer or colder? (PS Warmer is better)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4894/firemakingne4.png)
I changed the pallette on the west tree and changed it up a bit with the shading when I added the new sun. Also, worked on the green-shirted guy's shirt's pallette and shading. Took the cape away because people thought it looked too much like RuneScape. Going to re-shade the pants. For the third time, but if I get it looking good, it'll all be worth it, IMO.
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the front of the people are being hit by light from an unknown source though. If light is coming from behind them it should be hitting only around their edges not in the middle of their jeans or shirt. I would say that the proportions of everything in the piece is flawed. I say start with a piece of one of your people so we can all help you out with your understanding of anatomy and other important issues and tackle it heavily. Then perhaps a piece like the tree to allow us to give you some help with texturing and form.
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9631/anatomysv6.png)
Here are some quick anatomy alterations proportion wise, the left is your current anatomy from your piece (approximately) the right mine.
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Well, I moved the sun and used that as a reference instead of my imagination. Warmer or colder? (PS Warmer is better)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4894/firemakingne4.png)
I changed the pallette on the west tree and changed it up a bit with the shading when I added the new sun. Also, worked on the green-shirted guy's shirt's pallette and shading. Took the cape away because people thought it looked too much like RuneScape. Going to re-shade the pants. For the third time, but if I get it looking good, it'll all be worth it, IMO.
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1660/firemakingcapepi5.gif)
And yeah, it's a RuneScape sig, so be bored all you want to.
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Well, I should've said that I changed it from RuneScape because for one people are saying they don't like it looks like one and I decided to change it and I actually like it better this way. A guy from another forum made the linework and I wanted to keep it recognizably the same. I don't want to really change much about the guys. Even if the anatomy is all wrong. The light source is supposed to be coming from the top, not behind him.