Pixelation
Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Terley on November 05, 2006, 12:41:05 am
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Well this was first just an example for xio, which was followed by an amazing example by Helm so I kinda felt the need to finish it as I felt so overshadowed and.. at the time I was pretty pleased with it. :-[ I just want to see this complete. :P
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2111/girlprogressanimationmt8.gif)
After a few stages later I've come to this.. And I don't really want to screw this up so any advice or critisism would be greatly apprichiated, i'm welcoming towards edits too :P.
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6907/30gs0.png)
Well, you're the experts.. Any comments?
better post some references I used too.. Just for help with face structure and cus her body initially didn't look right, added a jumper like on that last reference.
http://indicerolero.hermitcave.com/dailyPics/images/p2_fallen_angel_II.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4430/refdb8.png
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Her neck is too small, Terley. Instead of having about the width of her smile, the neck should almost reach as wide as the sides of her jaw.
I don't like the generic star on her cheek compared to the better looking twinkles. Also, you've got very rich dark shades, but very pale light ones. Add more saturation or change the lighter colors completely to add more interest.
Her nose is segemnted so as too look stuck on, ease the transition from the straight line of darker colors on the left side of the bridge of her nose.
Her smile is wide, but her cheeks dont match up. There should be a large dark crease on the right side and a matching highlight with a bit of dark on the left.
Good job thus far. Please detail her hair, this is looking alarmingly like your avatar which always seemed unfinished for lack of detailed hair. Look at other pixel artist portraiture, and see how highlights can really make hair pop.
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Thanks for the honesty GS, I see what ya mean.. Her neck is really thin now I look at it, im glad I haven't got round to that part fully yet, it won't be too much hastle to fix ;). Also that star was buggin me too.
You're right about the nose too, I'll have a tinker with that.
I've tried adding the smile-creases previously but to keep the femininity I guess i've been a chicken and avoided it so far :-[
With the hair I'll post it's progress soon but i'll really have to work on that, I can do strands of hair, but the bulk of it always gets me.
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(http://www.locustleaves.com/colour.png) (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5136/colour1wz0.png)
I commend you for your bravery. Womanly features are tough because a single pixel changes everything. I'm not very good at it, but heh, as far as a plastic surgeon edit goes, maybe it will be helpful to you.
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Wow thanks alot Helm your edit definately shows up all the area's I need to work on, it'd be so easy to claim your edit as my own but.. no. Im determained to fix her myself ^-^
You're edit's neck makes a whole lotta difference too, cheers.
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I did this in a couple seconds, but I think it just needed to be done.
(http://www.iamnotoriginal.com/images/delete/helm_terley_edit_edit.png)
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first plastic surgeon, now hair-stylist. I'd personally go for something like this:
(http://www.locustleaves.com/helm_terley_edit_edit_edit.png)
just begging to get its highlights and stuff. Probably a pure black would help too for the whole piece.
Terley: no worries, glad to have helped. Remember the point isn't to make a good picture only. It's to be good enough to make as many good pictures as you need.
EDIT: and just noticed, don't use Royo as reference for god's sake. Use photos and real people, not art by a guy that can't draw more than one woman even if his life depended on it!
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ok updated the initial worries. Looks much better thanks to what I saw on Helm's edit and following GS's crits.
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5358/9bx4.png)
I'll convert this into colour, Helm do you mind if I use your colours? Because the tones work so much better than on mine.
I really like the hair suggestion too, :-X Looks much more natural. I'll have a go at editiing the hair too next.
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I think the smile looks about 10 times better, though the cheek separations though realistic probably, might hurt the femininity to a degree. Lighter rendering there. It's not that I mind you using my colors, but I'd suggest going in on your pixel art program and altering your colors by eyeballing mine, so you can see why I chose as I chose, don't just copy the values. There's method that you should learn - probably not from me as there's people accusing me that I have people that color like me all over the place now - and you should learn it somehow. Don't copy anything from critique. Just like you did with the mouth, which I think is better now than it was in my version. Take critique, apply it using your own judgement and you'll arrive at something better than the edit.
Endure!
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thanks a lot for your help Helm, Im glad you're so dedicated to helping people here.
I wouldn't ever think of simply using you're colouring, I do need help with colouring which is probably due to only using ms paint for pixeling so far, You'll be glad to know I've been using Graphics Gale starting last week. I'll do just that and try figure out which colours to select myself, I'll look at a few pixeler's work so don't worry Helm.
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Awesome. Good switch. You'll have it down in no-time, man.
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Updated colour and eyes. (Did not use Helm's colours I selected them myself!!)
wow will you look at that.. :huh: her eyes were too high..
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8577/eyestoohighid8.gif)
that really makes an amazing difference.. :o
non animated
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1977/2ky1.png)
=edit
Hair change? still working on it, hard getting it to look right on the shoulders.
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8865/16py6.png)
Anyway im goin to bed, even though it's just a weekend, I gotta get up early in the morning..
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Awesome piece =)
The only two things I woud fix - make lower lip bottom line less defined to the ends, now it feels that her lower lip a bit far foward then could be;
And lift eye brows a little up, it would give more girlish look.=)
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making an edit for you
playing with facial forms
just thought id say i was making you an edit - because im always too late and comment after a piece is completed
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Her ears are also too high.
I have rather normally sized/positioned ears, and mine end just under my nose.
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Well, i wouldn't accept her as my GF... :lol:
But seriously, it's quite ready. Release teh background!!1 ::)
Thats ok i don't think she'd accept you as a boyfriend.
I don't think it needs a background - its great. Aweseom palette.
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(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2793/editgalof8.png)
Edited the creases, added highlight on left side and darkened area around crease on right. Added a little white to her teeth which were a little lackluster. Toyed with ambient lighting to make a little more noticable. Edited cheek to nose transition on dark side.
Things the edit didn't adress because I'm lazy
-Her neck is stil too small across. When I tried to make the proportion more realistic, she assumed the muscleman neck, and I realized her neck was a bit too long. Try to shorten and widen it.
-The seperation of a real smile from a fake one is the eyes. Right now, the smile doesn't seem to affect her eyes, and what she has now opticaly would look more fitting to a straightlipped expression. Look at your smiling reference. She alsmot assumes the anime style ^_^ thing. Don't really do that, but a real smile will narrow your eyes a bit.
Her hair isn't very thick right now, it seems to be hanging from her scalp very sparesly. I like the outline of hairs and on the shoudlers, but combine that with the original thickness you had, it will make her look more healthy.
Keep it up, Ter.
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well im getting there, Im gonna work majorly hard to get the expression right, I see what you mean with that GS, thanks for the comments.
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3817/19dd2.png)
with each edit this really is looking so much better, im ashamed of my first atempts now that I look back, but so far I've learned quite a bit, so big thanks to everyone who's helping ;)
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I'll point out anything I can. :)
Unless you're aiming for a realistic look, I think that the eyes are a bit too large, though it does fit a cartoon-ish style if that's what the goal is. The piece would look more pulled together if, when detailing the neck, you kept the dither-shading a little bit consistent. The nose (around the bottom/in between the nostrils) looks very thin compared to how much the nostrils protrude.
That's all that stood out to me, I hope I'm not looking too much at stuff that you're purposely keeping. :P
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are the eyes too far apart?? :-[..
(http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/7928/eyestoofarca8.gif)
well I tweaked some other parts too, trying to get the nose right.
(http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/7336/20le0.png)
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ya sooo
tried to make an edit for you...
not sure how usable it will be
(got rid of the purty dithering, because i wanted to show form more-so - you can re add it later)
never played with female face structures much
but i tried
also - smile was difficult, not sure i got it right for you
i was hoping to give you better facial structures
but it may have come out manly
its really harsh - but thats because i didnt blend anything. i BELIEVE, thats along the lines of what you should do
then with blending and such it should make it less harsh and more femine
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/flaber/Minish%20cap%20crap/terly.png)
hopefully that helps alittle
didnt touch the neck
not too keen on the colours
not a fan of the hair
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EDIT
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actually, looking back at it
eyebrows i think should be alittle higher, and more arched
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Marvelous work, as I already mention. :)
That are only things i could find scratchy - lower lip and unsmiley eyes.
Tried to edit - not good on faces though, might not be an improvement at all.
(http://www.foolstown.com/misc/face.gif)
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nononono flaber. No. Oh god no. That's plastic surgery gone wrong. Looks like the joker. Too much light on the top of the lip, too much accent and curve on the end of the lips, eeek
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v131/Hagane/face_fast_edit.png)
I did a fast paint over on one of the pictures. Not sure if it was the latest update, but I changed this:
-Made face thinner (jawbones and chin)
-Changed eyebrows and pulled them up about 2-3 pixels
-Changed the eyes slightly
-Pulled nose and mouth down and put them closer together.
-Changed the mouth making the lips thicker, and changed the smile.
Also I think the outlines around eyes and mouth pretty much make it look less realistic.
Hope it helps.
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Give her short hair, that's all I have to say.
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Thanks a lot for these edit's guys, I've still got a ton to do on this to make it look how I wanted it to, slowly but surely getting there :lol:, I've learned a lot so far.
I like how you've edited her face shape Panda, I'll definately take that into account, also her eye's look so much better than my recent update, it really highlights what exactly is working about this piece, and what isn't. The eyebrows fit better and I do agree bigger lips would work wonders. It's a different style to what Im working on but there still is a lot I can take from this, TY :D
I was trying to sway this more to the likeness of someone I know, but I just realised it looks nothing like her so I guess that free's me up to play on the way she looks more. :-X
thanks fool, wasn't 100% sure on how the eye's should look, tried lookin in the mirror to see the expression but I just wrinkle up around the eyes, wouldn't transfer into a girls very smile well, god, gettin it right is such a pain. :'(
flabber, your edit looks very cheeky :lol: , I think it looks too feline but I do think I should work on the face-shape and work on the lighting more in some areas. thanks for taking the time to make an edit.
I was thinking of making her hair 'shorter', any chance anyone could give any style suggestions? i've got a few reference pictures on hair but any suggestions would be great.
I may tweak the palette again, still not 100% happy with it.
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nononono flaber. No. Oh god no. That's plastic surgery gone wrong. Looks like the joker. Too much light on the top of the lip, too much accent and curve on the end of the lips, eeek
hehe oops
tried making a quick edit - not too familiar with drawing femin faces
ohwell, hopefully something can atleast be used from it
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well here's a slight update, tryin to get the face structure right, sorted out the eyebrows and eyes.. And anything else bugging me.. Just need to worry about gettin the neck and jumper right. Plus im gonna sketch out a suitable background.
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7114/25ls4.png)
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wow man, i dont really have any crits. just praise for taking in such critique and producing a well done piece!
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The dark outline on the left side of the lips in between them really is catching my eye in a bad way. I'd really suggest getting rid of it or replacing it with a not so dark color.
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This is looking delightful!
Her left ear seems too high. There needs to be deeper shadow/more contrast, I think; it just looks very washed out at the moment.
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I'm assuming the piece is not yet finished. Great work so far by the way but the neck is bothering me. There is something off about the way you shaded and shaped the neck. I think Helm did a pretty nice neck edit intially but I'd like to definitely see some dithering on the neck yet to match the texture and style of the rest of the face. Glad to see you taking the time to get this right :y:
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The development on this has been outstanding and the progress animation shows.
Thought I'd take a crack at editing this as well. The main things that were bugging me were her neck, eyes, teeth, and shirt neckline. With her neck, I gave her a bit more slant and space to ease into her body (save the jokes, I already thought of them all). Her eyes seemed a bit too unlady-like and I added some shade to give her lashes a bit more fullness, thus bringing out her radiant pupils. Her teeth looked a bit juttish (is that a word?). Eased them out a bit. And finally, her shirt looked a bit too manly. Gave her a v neck to suggest cleavage making her seem more womanly.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/pixelblink/terleyedit.gif)
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thanks guys, you're all givin really great crits, takin a lot of this into consideration. ;D
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im really up to my ears in college work but I made some necissery changes for now, its not taking this long to do this btw, Its the first time I've touched this since mid November :S..
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6907/30gs0.png)
looking back I really think this new palette I figured out makes it look much more natural, added one more tone to smoothen some parts up which overall helps a bunch.. Fixed any shading errors I could find and then I basically got started adding to shade her hair, tho she's probably gonna be a black haired girl, ignore the brown.. Still to work on the jumper.
aany crits still welcome, im thinking of adding something in the background, any ideas would be nice.
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The amount of detail in this piece is astonishing, it's so beautiful, AMAZING work.
I have some small crits though:
the top right of the hair kinda looks flat, and her left ear looks a bit small, otherwise, :DD
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ohh thx a lot :lol: im gonna take my time gettin the hair to look right, its kinda a wip atm, just planning out and deciding what im gonna do with it, her ears are supposed to have hair overlappin em :-X
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also (although you just said you were gonna cover it with hair), her left ear looks like it''s a cutout or something, that was glued to here hair, it doesn't really blend well.
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yeah I get what'cha mean but I've litterally just started the hair, you shouldn't expect it to look how its intended when I haven't even started doing that yet.
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My main beef with this is the sharp features you're using. I'm assuming shes suppose to be under the age of 30 but with all the sharp wrinkles and whatnot she looks either dead or old. I made a quick edit to show you. Also, I'd wait to add the white spirals and sparkles until you're done. Focus on form before details like that.
My Edit: (http://joshastorian.com/pixelart/terleyedit.gif)
Your Latest: (http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6907/30gs0.png)
Also, I made her face more symmetrical. A good technique to get symmetry right is to flip the image horizontally often.
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oh wow thx, very helpful, im fixing and anatomy problems atm getting the general head shape more symetrical and its helping quite a bit, Im only doing this for learning purposes so im not going to go to the extreme of perfection, im guessing I could keep edittin this more and more until its photoquality but at the end of it there wouldn't be a great deal of purpose.. Im avin fun anyways, Joshua your edit looks lovely but it's totally not my style (i'd be working too much out of my comfort zone) And I reaally don't want to go back to square one with everything, I just want this finished really.. Its draggin on a bit imo and it looks completely different to what it did originally... im soo happy you're all willin to help me with this, drawing/pixeling females have always been a pet-hate for me.