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Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Yokai90 on June 16, 2016, 05:09:11 am

Title: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on June 16, 2016, 05:09:11 am
(http://orig04.deviantart.net/74b4/f/2016/167/8/1/yok_jok_by_boogie45-da6jf6j.png)

I made a pepper Pixel for my blog and tried to also work to make my pixels a bit bigger in such a small image size- like making the lineart bigger.

The shadings pretty straight forward? but of course you can correct me because again im not the best at shading trust me.

I'm proud I didn't have to make this pixel art turn out as close as my others ^^;

The reason its bright and the stem is sorta all wiggly is because I sorta wanted to give it cartoon or lively sorta vibe to it?
 
Im basing it off my old pepper pixel which is this-(http://67.media.tumblr.com/c90d32020232b8f2bebdc0a171086c4b/tumblr_nwqy1gHaqj1u4pg5ho1_250.gif)

Critiques are super appreciated!
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 02, 2016, 10:43:07 pm
Anyone?  ???
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: MysteryMeat on July 03, 2016, 12:23:51 am
There's not a whole lot of animation on the flame, and the bounce feels kind of sharp for what is presumably supposed to be a burning pepper.
The art itself looks good, but I encourage you to try for some frames of the flames moving.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 03, 2016, 02:12:43 am
Oh hey! sorry im no longer actually using that sprite anymore ^^; I was talking about the one above I just posted that one for comparison.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: MysteryMeat on July 03, 2016, 04:25:20 am
OH! ok, that's why I was confused. The new one looks alright, but a bit "folded over"
I know peppers really do look like that a lot, but it doesn't feel as juicy as most peppers are.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: CFKaligula on July 03, 2016, 02:59:50 pm
I would say it looks kind of floppy, maybe make it more straight and have a slight curve like this picture (http://kingofwallpapers.com/pepper/pepper-007.jpg)
(I didn't want to post the image because it's very large)
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 04, 2016, 03:37:45 am
Thank you both for the feedback!
also- @Mysterymeat may I ask- what do you mean by juicy exactly?  :-[  just so I get a better description of what you meant.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 04, 2016, 04:59:04 am
(http://orig08.deviantart.net/04c7/f/2016/185/6/5/yok_jok_2_by_boogie45-da8stq8.png)

Fixed it to make it look less floppy!
idk about the highlights though rn.. any sugestions for those? or are they okay?
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: MysteryMeat on July 04, 2016, 06:05:35 am
Folds and past-basics shading have never been my real forte, but would that curve there in the middle be that dark?
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 04, 2016, 06:59:03 pm
Would you perhaps suggest making it a bit lighter by adding a different shade?
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 04, 2016, 09:11:09 pm
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/9b83/f/2016/186/0/4/yok_fuk_by_boogie45-da8w3jn.png)

Hopefully toned down the colors a bit? this any better? @MysteryMeat .o.
Edit: Added a bit more detail to stem/changed bg/ adjusted saturation
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 05, 2016, 12:35:06 am
..Or suppose a something like this would be better??

(http://orig13.deviantart.net/3b3c/f/2016/186/b/b/senpz_by_boogie45-da8whdt.png)

((Sorry about all the editing just im determined to get this correct- made it less brighter-))
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: sonicspin on July 05, 2016, 01:51:33 am
i feel the pepper is too "pinkish" for a pepper and there's not enough light, looks more like a beetroot right now
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 05, 2016, 05:11:14 am
(http://orig11.deviantart.net/9b1d/f/2016/186/b/0/iot_by_boogie45-da8xe2q.png)

Did pretty much a complete re-do almost of the entire thing. You said it looked too pink so I implemented more red as well as purple shadows and yellow highlights to make it pop out more .o. also changed its shape a little to have more space to avoid incorrect shading and tried this time to make more light!
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: yaomon17 on July 05, 2016, 09:48:56 am
If you look at a pepper, they are actually quite (http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/images/1HT07727/pepper.jpg) shiny (http://all4desktop.com/data_images/original/4242316-pepper.jpg) and reflective. The highlight in your old pepper shows that quite well. First thing you can do is to make the shape a big more interesting and maybe up the contrast if you want. While it isn't technically inaccurate, straight lines along with desaturated colors can really dull out a small piece. I know for some people using something like pure white or near pure white can be intimidating because it stands out significantly, but toying around with the hues leading up to the highlight can make it look proper.
(http://i.imgur.com/RcArb5x.gif)
Don't have too much time to do much of a pepper myself since it is almost 3 in the morning, but this is a bit of what I mean. A lot of contrast, reflected light and a more blobular(probably not a word) shape. I also exaggerated the contrast on the stem greatly since it was so small and it would be difficult to make out the details without some more extreme contrast or hue shifting.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 06, 2016, 01:08:24 am
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/dcc6/f/2016/187/c/9/fuck_ye_by_boogie45-da915df.png)

Ta-daaaaa  ;D took me some hours but-!

I took your advice and also studied the colors on your peppers as well! I kinda re-did the whole pepper made it more bobular so to speak and made it more red instead of a pink.
Also shifted the hue and saturation a bit because I noticed it was a bit too bright.

Honestly, im very proud of this pepper this time.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: dpixel on July 06, 2016, 04:48:29 am
Another take on your pepper:
(http://i.imgur.com/m4MZFwT.png)

Your last edit looks great.  Nice improvement.   :y:
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 06, 2016, 06:21:53 pm
@dpixel

Thank you im glad you like it!
Your pepper looks really nice too! its all wavy and it makes it look cool  :lol:
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Atnas on July 06, 2016, 08:06:59 pm
Hm, I suggest not to post this at 2x, it makes it harder to edit and I did hear someone yesterday say that small limiting factor discouraged them from doing so. Regardless of how little time it takes to scale it back down..

The latest one looks a lot better. The rim lighting on the right side starts to band against the outline, though. It makes it ook like there's a raised lip on the side of the pepper instead of describing surface you'd expect.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 06, 2016, 11:44:11 pm
(http://orig14.deviantart.net/b768/f/2016/188/b/7/making_this_pepper_fills_you_with_determination_an_by_boogie45-da95d8c.png)

@Atnas
Posted it this time at original size and removed the rim lighting. Any better?
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Atnas on July 07, 2016, 01:37:14 am
(http://i.imgur.com/DkM8WqI.png)>(http://i.imgur.com/2PepuWF.png)

So I looked at a lot of peppers, and I found a few things

red peppers are really waxy on the outside- they only ever reflect white light. no matter the lighting condition, it is always white.

peppers grow upwards when they are small and then their weight makes them flop down, that's why the stems are curved

peppers have a sort of 'skull' at the top that has a really distinct shape, and it sort of echoes down the whole pepper for a while. it's the same segments you see on bell peppers, but the smaller peppers have less distinct skulls, but echoes of this property remain

Peppers, unless twisty (torqued) or dehydrated looking, usually follow a few rules where the radius decreases as it goes down, but is a pretty even radius all the way around the center of the pepper. this can rotate along the x and z axis and it results in an s curve in chili peppers.

the end tapers pretty distinctly

so on to my crit of your pepper:

first the colors make it look more like meat. red peppers are VERY RED. even with palette affectation and stylization they should be red because HOT. hot.

Orange tones are necessary in pixel art i feel because in hi res photos you can notice some orange subsurface scattering at times on bell peppers, when the light is just right. but chili peppers appear to have a thicker waxier coating as well as having less room inside for the light to bounce around. but a pepper is a pepper in the mind, so lets use some oranges to aa the bright white highlight

the stem is pretty expressive in yours, i just opened it up, the dark colors were choking it. some more saturation to imply the colors were overlapping/occupying nearby space.

I think I learned a lot more about peppers than I wrote but it might not be something readily apparent in an edit, or pixel art.... Have you looked at a lot of peppers? just stare at them for about 5 minutes... There's a lot to notice! Make some theories. Doesn't matter if it's actually true sometimes. Because if those are things your human brain picks up on about peppers... likely it's also a clarified idea of a thought other humans have had about peppers too, just subconsciously.
Title: Re: Pepper Pixel WIP
Post by: Yokai90 on July 07, 2016, 05:49:07 am
(http://orig06.deviantart.net/b83f/f/2016/188/0/5/making_this_pepper_fills_you_with_determination_an_by_boogie45-da96m95.png)

@Atnas I studied your edit and edited my pepper to hopefully look more like a pepper this time, as well, as look at some peppers too lol.

Honestly, I think out of this whole thing about pixeling a pepper has made me understand more about pixel art and colors.

Which in turn im honestly super happy about since I've been desperately trying to improve my colors and such.
This has been very insightful so far .  :)