Pixelation
Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: tomster 785 on September 20, 2006, 05:04:39 pm
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here
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/197/tree2qu5.png)
C+C appreciated
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What I told you before still stands. Your art will benefit from foundation-level work on paper and pencil, with a tutor of some sort. We cannot help you at this level. You are 12, just starting out. You have to do a lot of practise work on your own, for years, before nitpick crits about pixel art methodology on this forum can help you. All you are doing is putting yourself in a hopeless position.
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I'm 13 now but I would stilll like some critique, just not something like what draco said in my chris "the geometry does not accurtely portray the shape your going for" or something like that
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Not all tree's have round tops for leaves. I think the colours seem a bit off and certainly over-dithered.
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But he is right. Critique is critique. You don't have a good grasp on form. You don't have a good grasp on lighting, nor on color choice or pixel-specific techniques. That's fine, none of the people that do magically got that way. But This isn't the place to learn basic skills. I cannot make this any clearer. We cannot help you portray a tree generally, we can help you with pixel-specific critique on how to make your already competent depiction of a tree better in the application of pixel art skills. Please seek fundamental help elsewhere. I'm sure there are forums for that, too. Do not post new piece after new piece demanding some sort of 'different' critique than what you've already gotten.
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I changed it here
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9882/tree2vm5.png)
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One thing to keep in mind. More or less all professional artists agree on this. Forums are good for intermediate level artists and good for advanced ones as well to get new skills/ inspiration. But for novice artists, people who start out graphics forums in any form are generally BAD, BAD, BAD. Just get a sketchbook and draw stuff you see, don't draw too much from your head. Use REFERENCE! There have to be trees, houses, people, animals around where you live. DRAW THEM. Don't try to improve specialised art skills like pixelart when you can not even draw something properly with a pencil.
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Seriously - pixel art is an incredibly complicated medium. Until you can do regular mediums competantly you havent got a chance at pixel--art. As helm said, we can only help you with pixel-art techniques, as i doubt no-one would be prepared to spend hours teaching you the basics.
We can help you dither, AA, selout, color choice, texture, pallette restrictions, etc...
We cannot teach you how to draw accurately, get a good sense of anatomy, lightsource, build an image with a good pose/flow.
Pixel-art is all about manipulating pixels and playing-god with colors to make an image to the human eye - not about being to lazy to get off the computer and practising your sketching/basic art skills.
About this piece - try and draw individual leaves finalredemption.com is a great inspiration for anyone learning to pixel trees. Also try make the trunk a decent trunk color, make it thicker, give it a proper lightsource, go and look at the color of trees around your house - I wood (excuse the pun :D) bet 100$ none of them look like this.
EDIT: damn you ptoing for summarising my main points in far less words >:(
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I like those types of ways of thinking about being a pixel artist, the messing around with pixels like god would with the world, and well I used the tree texture from a tree right outside of my window and I did the leaves from a tutorial (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Pixel/index.php?showtopic=1155) on pixel forums
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Don't use tutorials from the internet until you can judge what is worth reading. JUST STUDY FROM NATURE.
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OK, it's just zeid is a pretty good pixeller so I thought I'de use his words of wizdom
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No offense... I don't think that tutorial's very good.
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I didnt make it zeid did why would it offend me?, maybe you should join and tell him?
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I wasn't saying you'd be offended. In the case Zeid reads this, I don't mean to offend but I think that tutorial leaves a lot to be desired. Generally there's I feel an issue with people making tutorials before they're ready, but this is hardly the worst of it.
maybe you should join
Pixelation is my home, I do not travel to other pixel art forums.
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nah I meant just to tell him that and then you could leave forever, but I'm not forcing anything on you, I'm just saying maybe you should tell him, it will prevent people from making a tree like that and calling it pixel art
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It IS pixel-art, and actually pretty good. But a tutorial like that doesn't help you understand the process very well. it's good art, not a very good tutorial. Are we done with this?
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kiddo, look. people here have been very reasonable, and have been met with nonesense bordering on hostility. making mistakes and learning is one thing, but you are only making mistakes. i asked my teacher/boss about what to do with a student that acts the way you do, and he said he did not have a good answer. you come here and demand "critique," which is given in ample amount, and you time and time again refuse it without making a reasonable stance as to why. in addition, you offer little or nothing beneficial to the rest of the community, and if you do, you certainly have failed to show it. many of us, myself included, have made the mistake of becoming hostile to critique, have misunderstood what people are trying to say, etc, but you've shown that, at least for now, you are more consistantly rude and incorrect than any other person i know, and you still expect us to offer 'critique.'
My question to you is simple: You refuse to take anything that you demand from the community, which is supremely insulting when it occurs on a regular basis, and you offer nothing to the community in return. Why then, are you here? If there is no reason, then what, perhaps, could you be doing elsewhere that would be more beneficial to yourself and everyone else?
OT: i thought you were banned from PIXEL ?
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no I wasnt banned from pixel, well I was for a time but they let me back because I asked nicely ('tis the truth), and plus I have done what they have said about the leaf thing
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once again you have addressed the off-topic without addressing the actual subject at hand.
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Well, that is enough for now. Tomster, return to this forum when you're 16 or so.