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Title: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: baccaman21 on April 28, 2006, 07:27:08 am
Wii!?

Wii?

WTF?

Would anyone here buy a console that's sounds like a bodily function?

From Revolution to pissing... !?

Why?

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/703/703593p1.html
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ptoing on April 28, 2006, 07:35:40 am
Don't get your pants in a knot, Pete :)

As long as it has good games i will still buy it.
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Post by: setz on April 28, 2006, 08:30:44 am
Yo, I was watching a movie and this guy, he was like, "Oh, I got Nintendo" and I was like, "Oh my God... Wiiiiiiiiiiii!"

Actually I haven't bought a console since playstation, and even then I ended up selling it, I've been out of the mix in the current gaming world for quite awhile. I blame my empty pockets.
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Post by: .TakaM on April 28, 2006, 09:08:16 am
i was wondering if a topic about it would appear here.

well, I was sold on the Wii back when it was going by revolution. and Im sure everyone who already knew about it has already made their mind up. the only people who havent made up their mind are the people who dont know about it, and to them its always been called "wii" and that name is enough to get people curious about what the hell it is.

its a good move on nintendos half.. and I quite like the name.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: baccaman21 on April 28, 2006, 10:12:08 am
Don't get me wrong... the consoles ace... the controllers nice and quirky to play with opning up a lot of new potential for gaming that and the fact I've always been a big fan of Nintendo... I just think the name sux... and the Big N's marketing justification for it strikes me as load of marketing buncum... "oo it represents the blah dee blah dee blah" - I'm just worried any subsequent consoles (by them) may follow the same trend...

The new "Poo" Console - the double o represents the people's happy faces with P representing PLAYING together...
The new "Cum" Console - this represents people Coming together to play






btw sven me old china... all of this is tongue in cheek - with a little element of seriousness thrown in... why do those that have the power feel the need to change the names of the consoles prior to release? Xbox 360 WAS XENON... which imo is better... Revolution... IMO is more fitting... Gamecube worked (even though it was dolphin in development) - I always prefered Genesis to Megadrive (even thought I know that was a regional difference) etc etc...

Blah... enough whining from me...


Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Helm on April 28, 2006, 11:39:51 am
seriously, the names mean nothing for me, it's what you play on it, although obviously as part of marketing strategy, wii will hurt Nintendo. Besides, the best named console ever was the MASTER SYSTEM
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Miguel on April 28, 2006, 12:24:20 pm
Besides, the best named console ever was the MASTER SYSTEM

Rooooooooofl, word'
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: setz on April 28, 2006, 02:06:14 pm
seriously, the names mean nothing for me, it's what you play on it, although obviously as part of marketing strategy, wii will hurt Nintendo. Besides, the best named console ever was the MASTER SYSTEM

Actually, I have mixed feelings about the name change. while it's quite stupid on one hand, it *will* get people talking about it, alot of free publicity, I can't think of a forum I go to where wii wasn't mentioned, I know next class I go to will have people talking about it. Also, I used to think you were awesome because of your work, now with your feelings about the master system, you rock on a whole new level.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Larwick on April 28, 2006, 02:23:08 pm
Although setz, that's just like what me and a mate were talking about a few days ago. There's a building along our busstop which has its name and logo printed completely mirrored (not just backwards) on the side of it. I said it was insanely dumb, my mate said that it was dumb, but also was quite good because it had got us talking about it. But seriously i wouldn't have read any more into the company because of its stupidity.

I love nintendo, but i do think the name Wii is a tad weird. I would have preffered revolution. Although its true that it isnt really about the name... but still.
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Post by: goat on April 28, 2006, 02:31:42 pm
Why did I have to live to see the decline of Nintendo :(
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Post by: AlexHW on April 28, 2006, 04:23:31 pm
When all a person has to whine about is a simple name, you know the system is going to be good...
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Post by: goat on April 28, 2006, 04:37:17 pm
Spec-wise, compare it head-to-head with the last generation of consoles. Granted, it's underpowered-ness might lower the price compared to some present and future consoles (and Nintendo is actually really good at making efficient use of their hardware in games), but cost wasn't the issue behind lagging nintendo console sales, the problem was the games and the turnaround time on their consoles. The Wii looks like a baby PS2, and has the power of a baby PS2 plus some other goodies (I know it beats it in memory and whatnot :p), and the hassle of developing for a newer console will throw another hurdle in front of the people that are still aiming to publish on Nintendo systems. This is a marketing ploy, and while I can't speak for most Nintendo fans, I really don't like buying the same console over and over, regardless of whether it adds extra screens or shiny one-handed controllers or whatever. They need to make a system with the technological staying power of their first few.

Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, I just don't love what's happening :\
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Post by: Schu on April 28, 2006, 05:00:32 pm
I still call it Game & Stick.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on April 28, 2006, 06:22:20 pm
i see no reason to buy the revolution, or even really the 360 for that matter, though ill probably get one of those at some point, i plan to buy a PS3.  why? the games.  if they release a new mario platformer for the ..... Wii ....., that will get me interested.  i havent researched it at all, so i consider myself the average consumer (i say that because nintendo cant possibly say that hardcore gamers are their traget audience), but i havent seen anything but metroid and an old man pretending to fish.  the revolution looks like a nice toy with all its silly little things, but if i want to play good games, im sticking with Sony.  I would like the 360 if it didnt seem to be all shooters + fable, which i can play on the computer with better controls.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: crab2selout.png on April 28, 2006, 06:31:51 pm
Spec-wise, compare it head-to-head with the last generation of consoles.  Granted, it's underpowered-ness might lower the price compared to some present and future consoles (and Nintendo is actually really good at making efficient use of their hardware in games), but cost wasn't the issue behind lagging nintendo console sales, the problem was the games and the turnaround time on their consoles.  The Wii looks like a baby PS2, and has the power of a baby PS2 plus some other goodies (I know it beats it in memory and whatnot :p), and the hassle of developing for a newer console will throw another hurdle in front of the people that are still aiming to publish on Nintendo systems.  This is a marketing ploy, and while I can't speak for most Nintendo fans, I really don't like buying the same console over and over, regardless of whether it adds extra screens or shiny one-handed controllers or whatever.  They need to make a system with the technological staying power of their first few.

Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, I just don't love what's happening :\
I haven't checked this stuff in a while, but it sounds like the comparison about hte Wii being twice as powerful than the GC sounds like a purely numbers based calculation that doesn't take into account increase in efficiencies and circuit designs and all that stuff. I think if you combine that with the fact that it's sticking with a low resolution output and it should be able to compete quite well with the big boys.

The Wii name doesn't surpirse me too much either. It's obvious from the 'touch me, big boy' DS PR campaign that Nintendo are nothing but a bunch of perverted old men at this point.  :P
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Rox on April 28, 2006, 09:21:20 pm
I'd be perfectly happy if they came out with a DS 2 with a built in mobile phone and five screens and called it Wii... But Revolution sounds so damn good! And it fits so damn well! First console with a cool AND fitting name since the Master System! But noo. They had to make it considerably less cool.

Still awesome - just less cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Larwick on April 28, 2006, 09:26:45 pm
Now that i think about it people will mock it saying "Weeeee!" but those who play it and like it will just say "Wiiiiiii!" purely for the fun of it. I will anyway ^_^
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Xion on April 28, 2006, 10:59:33 pm
Good lord, people.
Why did I have to live to see the decline of Nintendo :(
What decline?

While I do admit, it's a pretty dumb name, I realize that everyone's looking at the urination form of the pronunciation. What about the us form? That's what it was meant to be. Who even says "I gotta go wee" anymore but little children? "We" is the more commonly used homonym of the word, so why the big hubbub about the other meaning?

I do like the fact that it has two I's, though. Double vowels that arent "e" or "o" = awesomeness.

Ghoti.

I'm gonna call it "Wii," but I'll pronounce it why. Only because I'd feel uncomforable going into EB and asking for a wee game. And if the dude behind the desk tries to correct me, I'll be like "Whoo-ah!" and punch him in the nuts and be like "that's wee!" And he's gonna be like "Why!?" And I'ma be like "Yeah, that's better. Now gimmie some why games, you sissy."

The name's growing on me, but it's the content that matters.

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the revolution looks like a nice toy with all its silly little things, but if i want to play good games, im sticking with Sony.  I would like the 360 if it didnt seem to be all shooters + fable, which i can play on the computer with better controls.
WTF? Nintendo has and wiill always have the best games.

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Gamecube worked (even though it was dolphin in development)

I'm so glad they changed it, though it wasn't much of an improvement. Glad it wasn't the other way around. I'd hate to play games on a porpise.


I'm still a hardcore Nintenfan, but I just hope that the Wii doesn't just attract a select group of people, driving away the hardcore gamers who like to sit down and remain virtually motionless infront of FPS's that are ALL THE SAME, or RPGs that are ALL THE SAME.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Akira on April 29, 2006, 12:53:02 am
i'd be more nervious about asking my friends if they'd like to play with my Wii. but i quite like the way Wii looks. !!M would be better though. or !M!. Who cares if the games are good? iPod, Playstation, Xbox are all pretty retarded names when you think about it but it didn't stop people buying lots and lots and lots.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Faktablad on April 29, 2006, 01:21:46 am
!!M would be better though.

How would you pronounce that? 

It'd be like *surprised expression* *surprised expression* "mmmmmmmmmmmm..."
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darion on April 29, 2006, 03:44:13 am
I think it is just a marketing strategy ... to get everyone to fucking talk about it.

And its working.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on April 29, 2006, 12:35:42 pm
......... because without a superficial name change to get people talking, nobody would be ...........

as far as xion's last little gouge though, a person who thinkgs FPS's are all the same hasnt played very many (though granted they can be awfully similar), and im disappointed too, since there is so much that could be done with the genre, but whatever is being done isnt going to be done on the Wii.  same goes for rpg's, which are in a sort of 'enlightenment' time period when they all try to be exactly like each other, but one can only hope the romantic period will kick in shortly
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: 8bitty on April 29, 2006, 01:01:07 pm
i love the name wii
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Billeh on April 29, 2006, 03:30:33 pm
I personally dont like it...Im never gonna have my friend come over to my house and say "Can I play with your Wii?" its just not correct...Not to mention the Revolution was a PWnage name.
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Post by: miascugh on April 29, 2006, 04:53:45 pm
......... because without a superficial name change to get people talking, nobody would be ...........

well.. of course, i guess they ARE interested in making some profit with it, and they have to step into the light somehow. be the method superficial as you say or not, it's definitely drawn attention to it (edit: attention of people who aren't constantly following the news of the scene, just to draw the connection to you implying that it doesn't deserve attention, or that this just is a cheap way of distracting from other weaknesses), but does it make the whole thing, the new console, any less interesting? and of course do you not have to like it, heh, i'm glad though, that there is someone out there that dares to be innovative from time to time. it's all a matter of taste anyways
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Neoriceisgood on April 29, 2006, 05:47:20 pm
I personally dont like it...Im never gonna have my friend come over to my house and say "Can I play with your Wii?" its just not correct...Not to mention the Revolution was a PWnage name.

Why not just say "Can I play with your Nintendo Wii?"  that sounds alot better already!
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: GOODNIGHTdestroyer on April 29, 2006, 05:57:38 pm
Didn't they codename the nintendo 64 dolphin before it came out?
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Dusty on April 30, 2006, 01:25:41 am
Of course the name is going to be silly if you sit and say it in puns and such to make it purposely sound stupid. How many people have ever actually said "Do you want to play with my ps2/xbox/gamecube?" It's not like a toy where you play with it, you play the games. Do people giggle whenever the word "we" is used in a sentence?

I can't say I adore the name, but I don't hate it either. I think it's about time consoles start coming out with more unique names, and not such seemingly generic names. I don't know why people are raising such a fuss and such over a simple name. A name isn't going to change the console, change the games that are being developed for it, change what it offers. To turn down a console over its name is a little rediculous in my eyes.

The main problem gamecube had was the games for it really lacked. There were hardly any third-party games worth mentioning being developed, and those that were, were RPGs -- and that's not hardly going to grab a huge group of people to it. Though, from what I've heard developers are jumping in their shoes at the possibilities the Wii can offer in terms of gameplay, and how much they will get to just go beyond the limits of the other consoles. I think this may solve the problem of the game database, especially considering Wii will offer something completely unique that the other consoles won't. Oh, and Zelda.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Razz on April 30, 2006, 02:09:34 am
i see no reason to buy the revolution, or even really the 360 for that matter, though ill probably get one of those at some point, i plan to buy a PS3.  why? the games.  if they release a new mario platformer for the ..... Wii ....., that will get me interested.  i havent researched it at all, so i consider myself the average consumer (i say that because nintendo cant possibly say that hardcore gamers are their traget audience), but i havent seen anything but metroid and an old man pretending to fish.  the revolution looks like a nice toy with all its silly little things, but if i want to play good games, im sticking with Sony.  I would like the 360 if it didnt seem to be all shooters + fable, which i can play on the computer with better controls.
*hugs*
Although, I'll prolly buy a "Wii" eventually.

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Didn't they codename the nintendo 64 dolphin before it came out?
I think they codenamed the 'Cube that.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Cow on April 30, 2006, 03:26:23 am
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The main problem gamecube had was the games for it really lacked. There were hardly any third-party games worth mentioning being developed, and those that were, were RPGs -- and that's not hardly going to grab a huge group of people to it.
RE4?

The name is bad. Which was a good call on Nintendo's part. Got me talking about it, along with others. Should know better than to fall for that.  :-\
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Dusty on April 30, 2006, 03:38:03 am
I said hardly, not none at all. Not to mention RE4 wasn't exclusive to gamecube, and being sold on the PS2 made it all the worse for Nintendo. Sure, there are some, but compared to the other consoles, they're scarce.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Cow on April 30, 2006, 04:38:58 am
It was exclusive for the first 9 months.  :P

I kinda lost interest in Nintendo's consoles, they still make the best handhelds though.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Xion on April 30, 2006, 04:52:38 am
*agrees completely with Dusty*
That's what I was trying to say.
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Post by: Filax_666 on April 30, 2006, 07:22:02 am
8bitty said it.

I don't find any problem with the name, I actually started liking it alot more when I understood the concept beyond it. And this thread only shows the efficiency of the name change: WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT IIT!

Besides, I don't have the caniplaywithyourwee problem in Portuguese _
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Rox on April 30, 2006, 08:52:40 am
On Wii and FPS;  Google "Red Steel (http://gonintendo.com/?p=1920)"



Also:
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5014/2118/1600/owiiwii27mt.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: snake on April 30, 2006, 09:42:30 am
Well, it was only a matter of time, eh?

I can remember when I saw the article about it. Was on the phone with one of my X-box supporing friends. After searching a while, I found it to be true. I ended up saying: "NOOOooooo!" and then the dissing came from the other end. Have been hearing it since.

My initial thought was: Nintendo just took everything good they had for the machine and wrecked it. But as it is, it a remarkable success as advertisement. Only in the first hour after it's release just about every gamenews site with a forum had been spammed with piss jokes. You have to admit, that's a pretty good way to get attention to yourself.

The name is in itself a market strategy. First of all, Nintendo shows it's "be different" approach and names the console something completely in the other direction. Also, Nintendo has stated through it's entire development of Wii (well, most of it) that they are modeling their product after Apple and their iPod. Look at it: short, incredibly easy to remember, both with the tiny i's, both glossy white and tiny. Most of all: it does not link to Nintendo. The machine is name Wii and not Nintendo Wii (contrary to ign.) When someone biased looks at Nintendo he or she allready has a specific view about the thing. When someone spots something in the store that's just called Wii, they don't think "It's that kiddy console." or "ugh.. it's just another Nintendo". They see it as something else, just like most people don't think of Apple when they think of iPod. Also, remember that Nintendo targets not just gamers, but everyone. The simple name, light package and no link to "this whole gameconsole business." will draw interest from other people.

I'm still a little concerned since allmost the entire game market (for all the consoles) are pre-teens, so there will be a lot of "wee-wee" jokes. But, if those kids are as immature as they seem right now, they they'll probably forget about fairly quickly and start looking at shiny box instead. Personally, I'm just waiting to see the games that will surface at E3.

Oh, just remembered. I never say "let's play Gamecube." It's more along the lines of: "Play Smash bros?" Don't remember the last time I mentioned the consoles name.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Dusty on April 30, 2006, 10:33:29 am
It was exclusive for the first 9 months.  :P

I kinda lost interest in Nintendo's consoles, they still make the best handhelds though.

Yes it was, but it didn't take long before its coming to the PS2 made a debute in rumour. And just giving that notion destroyed a lot of its chance to bringing in more gamecube sales because no one is going to go buy a gamecube for the game if it's coming out on PS2, with extras, even if they have to wait a few months.
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Post by: Dhaos on April 30, 2006, 11:53:01 am
Seems their market strategy has been working quite well lol. The name still sends a shiver down my WIIIIIIII er spine. If the wii succeeds, I can only imagine what the other companies will start calling their consoles, I see a very bleak future ahead =P.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: God Slayer on April 30, 2006, 12:11:37 pm
Are we done with the crappy wee puns yet? Seriously, its not really that funny, witty, or relevant. When I say, shall we go to the park, do you crack up and say oh he said wee! ? Personaly, I think its a good name.

 The scottish wee fits it well IMO, since it it rather small. Did you know that its very difficult (a mouthfull) to say revolution in Japanese?
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darien on April 30, 2006, 03:34:14 pm
Well they could've kept Revolution and just called it something else in Japan.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Homeless on April 30, 2006, 05:04:17 pm
Did you know that its very difficult (a mouthfull) to say revolution in Japanese?

It's a mouthfull to say anything in japanese.

EDIT: There's no Wi sound in japanese, but it is a lot easier to approximate than
レ ヴォ ル ショ  ン
re vuo ru sho  n
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Post by: Cow on April 30, 2006, 06:28:39 pm
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It's a mouthfull to say anything in japanese.

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Leon states that the name Los Illuminados is "a mouthful", as in, it is difficult to say. This is unusual because he utters the name easily. However, the Japanese katakana transliteration adds extra vowel sounds, as well as posessing an "L" sound that is difficult for a native Japanese speaker to pronnounce. Therefore this line was meant for a non-English audience.

Revolution has an L. Huzzah.
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Post by: ndchristie on April 30, 2006, 07:57:29 pm
nintendo pws in the handheld market, though i want the DS to fade away that a new gba model to come out soon.....

i tihnk its not the platform itself that makes the platform good, its the games.  thats why nintendo wins in the handheld section, and not the consols
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: baccaman21 on May 01, 2006, 09:52:55 am
somehting else I found out about the wii last week is the name of the main distibutor for nintendo's new console...

... you won't believe this...

...
...

...

KOCH!  (pronounced COCK!)

seriously...

the WII will be spread around the world by KOCH! - can you believe it...!?

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something else that struck me.... does it mean in french speaking countries... the wii will essentially be the YES?
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I remember when the Ford KA was revealed to the UK market... however long ago it was... I remember finding that funny cos I hated the design and felt the Japanese Sound for '?' was a perfect name for it...
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COCK!





Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on May 01, 2006, 11:48:23 am
the japanese are wierd (koch???)

around here, the Ford KA is a joke because thats how everybody pronounces the word 'car' (we drop all of our R's)
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: snake on May 01, 2006, 12:08:26 pm
Honestly baccaman...

I use the same pronunciation as the Japanese and as far as I can see, it's pronounced "Kosh" or "kos" No need to add gasoline to the fire.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Filax_666 on May 01, 2006, 12:37:15 pm
I seriously don't understand why you keep talking about it...aren't you interested in the console???? Who cares about the fucking name Nintendo decided to give it??? Instead of wasting your time thinking about how is it going to be when to say to your friends "can I play with your wii?" do something useful! I don't see any point in keep talking about it, but maybe you have nothing else to do...
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darien on May 01, 2006, 05:12:08 pm
It's not so simple that there is an interest in the name Wii because we don't like it, and that we're all whining about some minor point of the console... of course we all know it's the games that make the console and not the name, but that doesn't change the fact that the name will affect sales.  Most people complaining about the name are going to buy the Wii, of course.  Not so for people with less an interest in video games than us... for them the choice will be much more superficial, and the name will certainly have a much bigger choice about which console they choose to buy.  And since I think Wii is a bad name, Nintendo's sales will suffer, which then means Nintendo will have less profit, and then less third party companies wanting to go to Wii, and that ultimately means less games, and a worse console.  Of course we are interested in the console... if we weren't, we wouldn't give a damn about the name because it would have no impact on us.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Dusty on May 01, 2006, 06:59:21 pm
What?
Anyone who's not so much interested in game consoles and is looking into getting into game consoles, which can be pretty expensive, are going to go into it with caution, and that means not just buy something because of its name. Second of all, a bad name and less profits will cause less third party games? Nintendo doesn't pay for third party games unless they collaborate on games, otherwise it's mostly the third parties paying for the license. No matter if Nintendo has hardly any money will not change the third party stance with them.

Also, who in this generation who isn't a teen at the time, hasn't been interested in gaming? Most are nowadays, and mostly the ones who aren't are older, or younger. Nintendo knows this and that's exactly who they're trying to grab in and that's exactly what the name represents. A mother looking for a  game her and her daughter can play with, costing upwards to $300+ isn't going to say "wow, what a stupid name, I'd rather buy this more expensive cooler named Xbox 360" half the time the people not interested in consoles can't even bother to remember names. She's going to ask the clerk about something that her and her daughter can play together, read reviews online that aren't caught-up over a name, and actually find out about the console itself. Nintendo knows this, they know the audience they're trying to capture, and they care more about bringing other age groups into gaming than the other consoles. They've proven they'd rather risk stumping sales to pull in other age groups than overall please the current gamers by making their console less powerful.

This happens every single time a simple change to something that doesn't effect the main point at all happens. Everyone goes haywire over something that means nothing. It was the same with The Wind Waker, people just look into the aesthetics way too much. Most who ever buy a console never refer to the console name ever again, so why does it matter?

And like it's been mentioned before, does everyone go around laughing at French speakers because not only does how they say yes sound like we, they say it twice. The inhumanity! It reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where he starts laughing in French class, because we all know Peter is a good example of being immature.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darien on May 01, 2006, 07:37:32 pm
If Nintendo sells less consoles then of course third parties won't be as interested in developing for the console.  Fewer console owners means fewer potential buyers. 

And of course the name will make a difference.  No, it won't be the only deciding factor;  I never said that people will buy solely based on the name.  But it will have influence.  First impressions are powerful.  And "Wii" doesn't leave a good first impression.

Nintendo already has a bad rep among older casual gamers as a kiddie company, and this name change won't help that at all.  The name won't kill interest among people already very interested, but it will certainly kill a lot of interest in people who were mildly interested in the Revolution.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Sohashu on May 02, 2006, 06:04:38 am
OMG!! If you dont like calling it the wii, call it the revolution.  You dont have to call it wii.  Call it whatever you freaking want!!
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Conzeit on May 02, 2006, 06:09:28 am
jeez...what's with the controling freak vibe all over this thread?

if Baccaman thought the name was funny and it'd be bad for the revolution's marketing and felt like doing a slightly humorous thread, I dont see how that should upset you so badly.

hey, if you disagree leave the thread alone, no need to get preachy on him.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: baccaman21 on May 02, 2006, 07:23:00 am
Honestly baccaman...

I use the same pronunciation as the Japanese and as far as I can see, it's pronounced "Kosh" or "kos" No need to add gasoline to the fire.

Funny that considering Koch media was set up by an Austrian...
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Panda on May 02, 2006, 08:00:28 am
If Koch is pronounced like in German, shouldnt the last bit be pronounced like the sound you make when saying "Ham" or "Juan" (the last one in Spanish though) instead of cock?

While at first I thought "Wii" as a name was rather funny or dumb, I think they went more towards the iconographic way rather than looking for an"omg-so-cool" name.
I mean the two people thing kinda works, and the "someone playing" thing, and the "we" connection aswell. So I guess it's good.
And  it sounds like "wee", but what?
Dont do both "We" or "whee" sound like "wee" aswell? But does anyone make a deal about them when for example they appear in songs or something?
And then shouldnt that also be applied to stuff like "Winnie the pooh" (omg poo!!!)  and not only in english, like nissan's "Moco" which means booger in Spanish, or even AA that could mean to take a shit in German (only as an abbreviation and when written though, but still).
Only people that want to make a deal about it will.
Dont they say that you shouldnt judge a book from its cover?

Anyway as a nintendo fan boy I am looking forwards to the wii, regardless of the name.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: snake on May 02, 2006, 08:54:35 am
Funny that considering Koch media was set up by an Austrian...

Ah... well that's something else then. Meh, if people were that keen on making crude jokes, people here would be laughing at for example: Konami, that translates to "My wife" or Rare that means "Strange". Despite Rap being translated to "Burp-music", people here still find it to have a very high "cool factor".

Tried to find a translator for Austrian but not surprisingly, I couldn't find one. A German one said it means "Cook"... Not that far from Panda's "Ham". An interesting combination of food and gamesdistrebution O_o
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Panda on May 02, 2006, 08:59:33 am
Austrians talk in German, though depending on the area (it is spoken) it has weird accents, so yeah I dont think you'll find "Austrian" translators.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: miascugh on May 02, 2006, 09:59:58 am
know the sound cats make when they're scared? that's how to pronounce a german 'ch'. it can also be found in every second klingon word
and yeah, koch means cook, and if i'm not mistaken koch media is the biggest german software distributor or something along those lines
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: baccaman21 on May 02, 2006, 11:42:53 am
While at first I thought "Wii" as a name was rather funny or dumb, I think they went more towards the iconographic way rather than looking for an"omg-so-cool" name.
I mean the two people thing kinda works, and the "someone playing" thing, and the "we" connection aswell. So I guess it's good.
And  it sounds like "wee", but what?
Dont do both "We" or "whee" sound like "wee" aswell? But does anyone make a deal about them when for example they appear in songs or something?
And then shouldnt that also be applied to stuff like "Winnie the pooh" (omg poo!!!)  and not only in english, like nissan's "Moco" which means booger in Spanish, or even AA that could mean to take a shit in German (only as an abbreviation and when written though, but still).
Only people that want to make a deal about it will.
Dont they say that you shouldnt judge a book from its cover?

Anyway as a nintendo fan boy I am looking forwards to the wii, regardless of the name.

Not taking anyting away from the machine... I too am looking forward to it's final release... even though it ain't as 'powerful' as 'the other two' i don't care... i've always been a fan of ninty... and as far as I'm concerened their consoles and associated software has generally rocked...

As far as naming's concerened... it's this namby pamby arty farty clap trap that offends me the most... some bloody design/marketing studio has been paid squillions of dollar to come up with 3 letters - "the W represents this... the two I's represent that yadda yadda yadda..." in my books this kind of pretentiousness is fine and fair enough in it's place... but when the chosen word/logo ends up becoming another word/represention for a bodily function then that's just not right... someone somewhere should have made the connection... or maybe they did and didn't care... oh I don't know... I just know that the majority of the people I've spoken to about this (most of whom are video game developers) think that ninty have 'cocked' up (excuse the pun) .. I just can't beleive that they overlooked the obvious misinterpretation of the name... hey ho...


Let's lighten the mood then - lost in translation... example #1

I was involved with a game once where we 'pretentiously' chose to use kanji in the background layer of one of the frontend screens... (the kanji was the name of the game... written in hiragana) - unfortunatly for us it turned out these words translated to "man who touches himself"... or in other words... "Wanker!" - oh how we laughed... particularly when you think it said "smash tennis" - obviously we had to remove this as to not offend the small minority of japanese speakers that may have played the game...

and another... example #2
Zub? - A game made a long time ago for speccy type things... originally called ZOB... which is apparently a rude word in some european language...

Happens all the time...
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darion on May 02, 2006, 08:06:27 pm
......... because without a superficial name change to get people talking, nobody would be ...........

And they were before? No. I've informed many people about the system istelf before this and they didn't even know it was in development. Now everyone is talking about how retarded the name is.

And don't come at me with the smartass attitude; its immature and not necessary. Take care of your vaginal problems elsewhere. Chill the fuck out.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Lick on May 02, 2006, 09:54:15 pm
Bottomline is: if they base their name on 'we', they're completely off-track. 'We' is not a cool word in the western society, 'we' prefer to think only about ourselves.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on May 03, 2006, 11:48:53 am
......... because without a superficial name change to get people talking, nobody would be ...........

And they were before? No. I've informed many people about the system istelf before this and they didn't even know it was in development. Now everyone is talking about how retarded the name is.

And don't come at me with the smartass attitude; its immature and not necessary. Take care of your vaginal problems elsewhere. Chill the fuck out.

[confused]
?????
im not sure i understand, i actually thought I was agreeing with you?  at any rate, even if you misunderstood my post, you had no reason to curse me out so far as i can see
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Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Darion on May 03, 2006, 10:02:56 pm
OH SHAT! Sorry! :-[ I thought you were being sarcastic.

I misunderstood, and I apologize. Curse me back if you feel the need to.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on May 03, 2006, 10:27:30 pm
haha, no big :P
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Helm on May 04, 2006, 01:19:14 am
Bottomline is: if they base their name on 'we', they're completely off-track. 'We' is not a cool word in the western society, 'we' prefer to think only about ourselves.

apt
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: Filax_666 on May 04, 2006, 07:28:08 pm
...for example: Konami, that translates to "My wife"...

Actually, if it was spelled Mikona it would be almost like "my pussy". In Portuguese.
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: ndchristie on May 05, 2006, 10:14:39 am
somehow i doubt konami would mind that kinda thing

Wii makes me thing wee which makes me think small, childish, and otherwise incapable, and i dont think that they can get away with that in sales, though i dotn know how bad it would hurt them.  it has stirred up talk again about the consol, and theres no such thing as bad publicity?  would be nice if sony said ANYTHING about the ps3
Title: Re: Nintendo are revolting!?
Post by: miascugh on May 05, 2006, 12:00:56 pm
i guess, yes, it is to some extent bad publicity. two things though: there still is all that experimental aspect of the new console like the remote control joypad and its tilt-ability, which probably comes right after all the wee in the list of things 'worth' mentioning. some of that attention will inevitably be drawn to that. sony doesn't need to cause a stir like that, because anybody knows what to expect from the new console: better graphics, more "mature audience" oriented games and sequels or even clones; not much wow-effect material in there.
and secondly, all this brouhaha about the name is very.. anglocentrical. which is no surprise of course, in an english-speaking forum heh. but i, for example, never would have thought of the name that way (heh, i first thought it was an article about nintendo and something wifi when i was skimming over it). just to have that raised too :)