Pixelation

Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: Pixelfish on April 15, 2008, 10:59:37 pm

Title: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 15, 2008, 10:59:37 pm
Need critique on this, already posted it elsewhere but figure it might get a bit more action with another post. I know there are some things to fix, but need help on how to fix them.

(http://oilocean.com/toby/recorb.gif)
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Sherman Gill on April 15, 2008, 11:25:45 pm
The jaggies, they burn!
It's great, except for the white selout on the hand without buffer shades :(
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 15, 2008, 11:28:19 pm
Show me an example, I never really got that down.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Xion on April 16, 2008, 12:56:24 am
Okay.
(http://aspekketoyo.googlepages.com/canthishelp.png)
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Sherman Gill on April 16, 2008, 01:11:39 am
Here's an edit of Xion's edit:
(http://lorne.lastchancemedia.com/Images/two/Tricksandcrits/7.gif)
With another color you could smoothen it out even more. Skipping straight from the yellow to white there's too much of a value gap to get a consistent line so like in Xions it will thin out in areas without the white.

Which reminds me, what's with the 14 or so colors in the background? It looks alright, but pretty inefficient for something you could almost do with say, six. (Of course, color count doesn't matter too much in this day and age and you seem to know what you're doing with them)
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Dusty on April 16, 2008, 01:30:20 am
Well Xion already fixed the first thing I saw, and I can't see Sherman's edit...
I think the hair is really, really rough. All the colors in there clash hard against each other and ends up looking like cheese with knife slits in it or something. It just doesn't feel like hair.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 16, 2008, 02:52:08 am
Thanks for the edits, that's helpful guys. I think I'll fix the sel-out problem, but I don't know about the hair. I tried to keep the palette low and make it interesting, according to color/light theory the hair should be okay, if you want to make suggestions or edit the palette on the hair feel free, I want this one to be right. I kind of like the shading on the hair, though I know it's a bit noisy, what do you think would look more natural?
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: tocky on April 16, 2008, 02:28:06 pm
(http://lorne.lastchancemedia.com/Images/two/Tricksandcrits/7.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/tocky/pixfish_recorb.png)
deeper shadows?
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Elk on April 16, 2008, 06:53:10 pm
the hands anatomy seems weird... :x!
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: EvilEye on April 16, 2008, 09:10:55 pm
the hands anatomy seems weird... :x!

The palm is possibly a little longer then it should be, but other then that the hand looks correct.

My guess is this was done from a picture?
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 16, 2008, 09:46:33 pm
(http://oilocean.com/toby/corb3.gif)
working on the sel-out, I guess.

http://oilocean.com/toby/refzorz.jpg (http://oilocean.com/toby/refzorz.jpg) for reference, if you want it. Not much is the same except the subject.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Conzeit on April 17, 2008, 06:42:13 am
seems to be fine for me. Maybe if you tell us what was your idea with the piece?
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 17, 2008, 08:18:09 am
Just kind of wanted to do something classical with the medium, wanted to have some fun with color and such. I kind of vucked with the background on transparency so it might not be pixel purist, but I'm okay with it, in general, I did alot of tweaking. I think this is a potential t-shirt design.
edit: and I mean, I'm thinking this as a centerpiece on the front with the cube type patterning continuing off frame to accent the shirt, maybe go to the back? Don't know. And here's an edit trying to incorporate some of those darker shadows, too. Still wip, though probably towards the end. Is this an improvement?

(http://oilocean.com/toby/corbforb.gif)
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Helm on April 18, 2008, 01:06:46 am
(http://www.locustleaves.com/corb.gif)

This is pretty great. My hand critique does a strange thing: it actually moves further away from the photo reference and more into an 'ideal' type of hand. Why? Because in photographs things that might look 'weird' are overidden by the brain because it gets the message' it's a photo, so it's real'. But in art, things that look fine in reality might look wonky because the brain is scanning from an 'ideal' point of view. Now, it's possible to sell realistic imperfections in art, but to do so, you need such a masterful control of realistic rendering, and the end result will always look 'like a picture, only not really a picture'. So regardless of whether you're going to go for that, I suggest you always 'shape up' strangeness from reference when remaking in an artistic medium.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: The B.O.B. on April 18, 2008, 02:13:30 am
Pixelfish, this is looking great. One thing caught my eye, though. It looks as if his upper lip furrow(the thing between his upper lip and nostrils) seems out of perspective from the direction his head is going. And I feel for you in the hair department, as making hair look good in large pixel art pieces is 'effin hard. Good luck with this.  :y:
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: EvilEye on April 18, 2008, 08:55:54 pm
(http://www.locustleaves.com/corb.gif)

 I don't agree with that edit at all  :o

 Its assuming the wrong angle.

 The only problem, IMO, is the palm in the lower right is too droopy. Check the photo again for reference of how it should look. The whole right edge of the hand ( excluding the fingers ) needs a facelift.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Pixelfish on April 18, 2008, 11:32:03 pm
Thanks alot Helm, everybody, for the help.



 I don't agree with that edit at all  :o

 Its assuming the wrong angle.

 The only problem, IMO, is the palm in the lower right is too droopy. Check the photo again for reference of how it should look. The whole right edge of the hand ( excluding the fingers ) needs a facelift.
You are certainly right about that, Evileye, I guess I idealized it too much. I don't know if I will fix, not immediately at least, but thanks for the diligence.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Faceless on April 19, 2008, 04:11:33 am
I've never such a high edit to reply ratio :o!
I think this looks good, but a couple of things are bugging me about the face/hair.

First, is the horizontal clump of hair next to the eye. Not only is it going against the flow of the hair all around it, but it also seems to be defying gravity, and there's nothing in the piece to suggest motion. I think it either needs to be shortened or rotated.

The second thing that I find odd is how low the cheekbone is on the face. I think it could do with being raised considerably.
Title: Re: Something On and Off
Post by: Conzeit on April 19, 2008, 05:04:30 am
Then I guess my critique is to the contrast of themes between the background of the piece.

When I look at that background I instantly think popculture, I think mostly it's japanese anime but I bet there are a lot of pop backgrounds that use that gradiented rays effect for filler in the background, not only that but the colors are also very bright and basic, like they fit in an anime or a bag of garbage food.

Then I look at the guy in the foreground and I see a classic rendering, specially with the pallete and the type of drawing you did with the hair...yet the pallete of the skin is still way saturated and is dominated by this saturated purple ( I guess because it complements the orange) that is not on the hair...

I say you either take the whole piece to a more classic setting, take some of the saturation from the skin, make the rays emmanating from the finger more like a religious figure ->http://www.catholicsource.net/sacredheart4.jpg http://www.2heartsnetwork.org/SacredHeartJesus3.jpg http://corazondejesus.blogia.com/upload/20071113034136-sagradocorazon.jpg you see how they dont alternate so perfectly and some of the rays shine more than others? yours just alternate...and it just makes everything look cartoony.

Or somehow make the guy a little more abstract and fitting with the background.