Pixelation

Critique => Pixel Art => Topic started by: bonofthedead on January 16, 2009, 04:25:18 am

Title: need help with girl
Post by: bonofthedead on January 16, 2009, 04:25:18 am
i had an idea for something, so i attempted to draw the character i was thinking. i need some help with first lowering the colors again, and making a platform standing version of this picture, only 24x32.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee154/BonOfTheDead/girl.png)
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: Souly on January 16, 2009, 05:38:18 am
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2pragyb.png)
Just an edit, you seem to have AA'd most everything.
Gotta use all your colors to your advantage.
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: bonofthedead on January 17, 2009, 01:12:23 am
looks a lot better then mine. i have to get the hang of colors.
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: ptoing on January 17, 2009, 04:39:43 am
OK, little edit here.

(http://www.ptoing.net/edit/redgirl.png)

Here is what I did / points to note:

Good:


Bad:

Fixes:

That's it for now. If you have any questions concerning what I wrote, feel free to ask :)
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: bonofthedead on January 17, 2009, 07:52:57 am
man, youre good. im still trying to get the hang of pixel art. i though i was getting a bit closer at least.

maybe someone could help me. im trying to make that character to a very small size. ive tried, but it doesnt look good.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee154/BonOfTheDead/tinygirl.png)
thats pretty much how i want it, but i cant get it to look right. i tried coloring it, but stopped when it didnt look right.
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: Dusty on January 17, 2009, 08:25:16 am
I applied proper aa. Always remember that antialias is an approximation (like pretty much everything in pixelart, in small things every pixel counts)
Have a look at this image and I think you will see what I mean.
(http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/upload/features/03_mirre/aaapprox.png)[/li][/list]
Not to derail the topic, but I wanted to ask you about this. Is that what you consider proper AA, in your example? Whenever I do that type of AA I end up feeling like it's wrong because visually, it looks broken. The lighter pixels that do the buffering makes the line look like it has a gap in it, or such. On the otherhand, I can't seem to AA lines without resorting to something like this. I get very confused.
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: Helm on January 17, 2009, 09:42:12 am
Dusty: the issue arrives though that you are actually trying to AA a line. A single-pixel line, by design, creates banding. The only way to fight banding is to de-emphasize the steps. Therefore you come across the problem that is specific to single pixel lines only (as aaing a surface doesn't have to deal with): line thickness. How fat is the line you want to convey? If it's too fat, there'll be banding. If it's too think, the line will appear broken. A lot of pixel artists tend to deal with this on a case-by-case basic, and quite reflexively. No one method is completely correct, in my opinion.

(http://www.locustleaves.com/aalines.png)

Perhaps this chart is useful.
Title: Re: need help with girl
Post by: Dusty on January 17, 2009, 09:52:48 am
Dusty: the issue arrives though that you are actually trying to AA a line. A single-pixel line, by design, creates banding. The only way to fight banding is to de-emphasize the steps. Therefore you come across the problem that is specific to single pixel lines only (as aaing a surface doesn't have to deal with): line thickness. How fat is the line you want to convey? If it's too fat, there'll be banding. If it's too think, the line will appear broken. A lot of pixel artists tend to deal with this on a case-by-case basic, and quite reflexively. No one method is completely correct, in my opinion.

(http://www.locustleaves.com/aalines.png)

Perhaps this chart is useful.
Definitely helpful. I was generally looking at the best way to AA a single line, like an outline(as that's where I usually have the problem). If I don't break the line with AA, it looks too thick, or blurry. But if I do, it looks broken. That is extremely helpful though, thanks.