Pixelation
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Peppermint Pig on November 12, 2006, 08:19:54 am
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You might be conflicted, but pick the option that best matches how you feel about edits.
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Editing as in sprite editing or the type of editing that people do here?
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editing.. I think its an acceptable way of learning, but there are of course better ways that don't let you get comfortable with mediocre sprites.
now, I really don't like edits and regret a lot of mine, especially with tags telling people they cant use it without my permission lol.. I think edits are fine as long as they're not used in any.. self promoting way, such as whats going on in the commercial critique challenge thread.
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Editing as in sprite editing or the type of editing that people do here?
I know the edit communities focus on commercial sprites, but once someone creates some templates, those too may get redistributed. Visual chat also is known to have an edit and doll following. So I mean all editing, commercial or not.
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I never editted any sprite except for teaching someone something, it could be a way for a beginner to start out in pixel art or spriting (pixel art's baby brother, imo). It gets dirty when the person gives the impression that the sprite is his.
Megaman edits in edit forums come to mind.
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What i don't like is people who submit edits on Pixeljoint and don't understand why they're not approved. It's fine if you edit things to learn on your own comp, but i don't think it's right to show them in your gallery - use the skills you've developed from editing to make an original piece, i say.
Editing to crit someone else's work is fine, cus you're helping them, and although people will be able to see your skill from it, they're not decieved into thinking it's all your work.
Hmm..
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Mhh, I picked 'for learning purposes only', but I am actually rather undecided. Most of the time I make and enjoy fun edits, more communication for communication's sake than anything else.
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learning - for the editer AND the author.
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As with most the people, I agree that edits should be done with learning purposes only.
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Having been a member at a megaman forum at one point and seeing that community first hand, I have to say that I am against editing if presented as "your own work". Though good for learning detail work and such, it is essentially feeding off someone else's creativity and labour. Making things from scratch is a requirement if you are to make progress.
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I don't mind any form of editing as long as it's presented as such and isn't intended for commercial purposes.
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Having edited a few times, I must say it has helped me improve. However, I wouldn't use them in any game or call them my own. I think it helps to learn professional pixel techiniques though. I say; "Learning purposes only."
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This is a difficult question for me...
• I don't think non-profit is a full justification.
• Asking permission is not always possible.
• Editing for educational purposes is not always condoned.
• And editing as long as the author doesn't object can be a hazard depending on its use.
• You can't help but look and learn about other art, so working from scratch is fine, but nobody is an island. Editing can open you up to new ways of doing things. Bad to limit yourself.
• Suggesting it is a necessity almost seems to bypass the moral dilemma, and can be used to justify doing bad things with edits.
So... I think people should be free to edit whatever they want. The problem is that you should also be responsible. Whatever the case, you suffer the consequences of your actions: Authors which do no wrong prove to be just and I would respect them vs copyright law which may evoke interference by a third party that does offend me. Beyond that, Pixelation has rules to be followed...
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Learning purposes only, I've visited editing comunities just to look for people who have rised above that norm and tell them about this place. I started in an editing one of course, but only because it was the most focused on "full custom" or from scratch work.
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For educational purposes only. To this extent this community provides.
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"People should be free to edit whatever they want."
...just be aware of the possible repercussions if you piss someone off. Feel free to steal and mangle anything you want, just do the smart thing and keep it to yourself if there are legal/moral issues with what you've done.
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I only edit as a means of communication with the original artist; to illustrate a critique, or suggest a new direction for a piece. I don't even do it that much.
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Ummm, before I go on I just want to ask one thing: Whats the difference between these two options?
1. Only edit someone else's work if they do not object.
2. Edit only with the permission of the author.
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By any choice, I've never really respected any person who edits other people's works. As in, most people in the fighting game world love to draw over previously made Capcom, and SNK sprites for extremely dull and uninspiring designs, or to the point where they look just plain wierd. Ditto this in with the Sonic edits, and Megaman edits as well. JUST STOPP, PEOPLE!! It's 'oogly. Now with editing anothers piece in a forum, I definitely do believe in. However, I don't think that everytime someone submits something, everyone should hop on it and edit everything to their liking, confusing the artist's original idea by making him decide who's style he must choose to suit the audience. In fact, that irks the hell out of me.
Call me stubborn, call me stupid, but I just believe that above all, an artist's sharpest sense should come from his/her ears, not their eyes. In other words, listening to response and understanding why and where someone is critiquing certain parts of a work is vital in understanding your audience, and how to better make your art speak to them. Of course, no real artist should ever forget that just like his/her fingerprint, their artistic style is one in a gazillion(what?...I counted elephants also...Elephants can paint too, ya know...) Despite this, I still believe that it is better to only edit a piece if the original artist who posted the work hasn't gotten it down yet, or if he requests an edit for a better understanding.(yes, yes, hypocrite is my middle name...)
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Ummm, before I go on I just want to ask one thing: Whats the difference between these two options?
1. Only edit someone else's work if they do not object.
2. Edit only with the permission of the author.
First one refers to freely editing anything, but respecting the author if they ask you to stop (which would happen later on).
The second one is an ask-first policy. (Doll artists seem to fall into this category as fairly principled..)
Pixelation, at its most liberal is an 'edit freely but respect the author's wishes if they object', and as the poll points out, the majority viewpoint seems to be 'education purposes only', which seems conservative to me, and there's an overall moratorium on using or editing the work of others for profit: You should get permission.
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i havent really seen many people ask to edit somones work, nor anyone get angry because someone edited their work. Its a sort of unwritten law around here that if you post work in progress it probably will get edited. Perhaps add "if you do not wish your work to be edited, please state so" to the rules. After all, whats the worst an edit could do.
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Nothing inherently wrong with editing. I've loved the edits I've gotten in my own threads and they've been incredibly helpful. I don't like waht I've been seeing lately where people post edits and don't even explain themselves. I especially dont like some members here who need to work on their skills a lot more before they can start editing other peoples works.
It's a shame b/c his pictures are now gone, but my ideal post for an edit would be one Dhaos gave me in my Harvest Moon thread. He posted good edits that were very informing and followed up with an excellent brief on pixel grass. I learned a ton from him that I wouldn't ahve gotten from a purely written post or a purely edit post.
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I'm from an edit community for a fighting game engine called MUGEN.
I think it's ok if you aren't making money of it, since even the companies consider it as "fan-art".
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I tend to edit works for my own enjoyment... to see what I could do with it. I like to think I learn alot when doing it. Of course, all that gets deleted after I'm done. I get more personal pride completing something from scratch
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Even if not deleted, never posted online. I am glad at the strong and direct sentiment Pixelation users seem to support as I can tell from the results of this poll.